johny
well lets see my argument is based on the fact that its no longer 99. Our allies that were very close to falling under pressure to their cgovernments to help us and were unable to do so are in a completely different state of wealth right now.
The Serbian Gevernment can't send 1000 troops in Kosova without UNMIK agreement and imagine how they can retain the control of Kosova!!!
A small advice,back to reality,it is easy said then done.
Kosova with or without USA will be an independent country!!!
I don't know what's wrong with that!
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
12000 eh Victor? were you there to count em? Why don't you add another zero to your claimed tally so that it sounds even more impressive.
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(B92, 18. August 2007 20:15)
The mods have spoken for those who want to provoke troubles have been warned. I appreciate B92 allowing to have dialogue, but some of choose to take to the extreme. I am NOT A SERB NOR AM I ALBANIAN some of the poster here know me personally so for those who don't then do make assumptions just because i don't agree with you opinion. Misunderstanding have caused all kinds of conflicts in history. A difference of an opinion does not necessarily mean you hate someone as some of the poster tend to promote if there cause is not supported. I am not going to mention names you know who you are. Back to subject, it would be a mistake to send forces back to Kosovo, because that will be an misunderstanding that would used a fuel to start a fire. Why provoke violence because that is the excuse people are looking for. Now IF VIOLENCE i am not promoting violence does break out after December 10th because things do not goes as planned then i support a return of forces not excluding Serbian and Russians to protect enclaves and religous sites. The Russian were there first after Serbian forces left and no one attacked them. If that does happen and i hope it does not then it would be at the invitation of NATO and i am sure those forces will be operating jointly and like i have said before. Jumping up and down is not going to get anyone attention, but resorting to other than dialoque will only cause suffereing for others. Thank you B92 for supporting these constructive forums
"So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
(Mike, 18. August 2007 20:24)"
I think that's what will happen, even though both Belgrade and Prishtina don't like it. Letting the natives provide security for their own communities removes any perceived threats coming from Belgrade or Prishtina
gajo,
The answer is very simple. Serbia was quicked out of Kosovo because of all the horribles crimes committed...just like Adam and Eve from paradice even though they just tasted an apple.
on a TV Interview during 2003 an high ranking person from Serbian Police forces had declared that in Kosovo are still operating 1200 serbian police forces illegaly.
I think that the webmaster won't allow to be published this article
"I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree."
Cvele the problem with your reasoning is that somehow you think one nation or one group of people are more important to the western world than the other, in this case the Serbs are more important. I would buy that logic somewhat if this issue involved the Greeks and the Albanians since our whole western civilization is based on principles coming from the greko-roman world so there might be more sympathies towards the Greeks. I don't buy your logic also based on the fact that the western world already bombed and isolated Serbia, not because they thought Albanians were more important than Serbs but because the Serbs were the problem, the epicenter of all the crises and wars in the Balkans in the 90's. If Serbia decides to go that way again and even worse by becoming a direct threat to them I don't think the western world would hesitate in punishing it the same way it did in the 90's. In fact I think it would punish any country of in Europe (that is not a big power) the same way it did Serbia. The western world today works on the principle that if you commit atrocities(and you are not a superpower), if you are a threat to the western world you sovereignty is questioned and as it happened in the case of Serbia it can be forfeited.
Johny
"I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro."
You think EU would allow that to happen?
I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree.
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Inciteful calls, posts promoting another war in the Balkans, have been and will continue to be deleted.
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That's not a bad idea letting natives protect their own areas - Serbs or Albanians. My guess as to why UNMIK axed plans for VS to come in is that it would essentially be reincorporated right back into Serbia.
So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
We also heard that the annexation of Kosovo & Metohija was a formality. How wrong they were. We also heard that partition was out of the question. How wrong they were. Today all the world media is reporting in unison that the notion of partition is very real. Presently we hear NATO Pact sources reporting that they will veto any deployment of Serbian Armed Forces. UNSCR 1244 gives them that right, but the status quo suits Serbia more than it suits them so reading between the lines this means that we can expect the Ibar river to be the new EU border after the imminent deployment of the Serbian Armed Forces to restore security north of the river. In other words the DMZ will be extended southward. This is a natural progression and part of the gradual process of restoring Serbian sovereignity over her Kosovo & Metohija province.
O.K. village-bey, I will send my Serb friend Zoran to Kosovo to fight you in the street as soon as he gets out of jail for beating up 5 police officers. I think he gets out in November.
Serbia a "multiethnic tolerant society" ? Come on my boy don't be so ridiculous in light of all the attacks against Hungarians and Roma publicized even on this site in the last few days. And about the Serbian dream of sending forces back to Kosovo: the message from UNMIK came quick and clair. Which part of the NO you do not understand?
I bet you truly consider yourself to have the oversight, but you are clearly showing all signs of desperation in regard to your comments.
the K-albanians are certainly not the "Bosses" as you liked to put it...
but what you obviously do not get here is, that instead of being "Bosses" you are being treated like useful idiots by the US. the best thing in that comedy is, that you consider your bosses to be your friends.
"Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!"
I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro.
Mike I don't think the majority of Albanians have any problem of letting Serbs born and raised in Kosova/o provide security for themselves, even when Kosovo/a becomes independent. It is logical that lets say the Serbs born in Kosova/o who live lets say in Northen Mitrovica provide their own security since the majority of people there are Serbs so it makes sense for the majority of the security of the forces to be Serbs for the majority of the politicians there to be Serbs and for the mayor to be Serb. It makes no sense whatsoever for Albanians to provide security in lets say Northen Mitrovica. The same can be applied to areas where Serbs are a majority. I would propose that out of good will both sides do the same with their respective populations. So it makes sense that the Albanians in the Presheva Valley provide their own security forces. In both cases I think these security forces should under the same ministry, the interior ministry that depend on Prishtina and Belgrade. These ministries should only be involved in the financing of the security forces and a background check for the personnel of such forces so no war criminal or ordinary criminal becomes part of such forces. However in any case the personnel should be made of natives. It makes no sense whatsoever to have security forces who are born in Belgrade provide security in Kosova/o just like it makes no sense for personnel who are born in Prishtina provide security for the Presheva Valley. I think these regions should be seen as the litmus test as to how both Prishtina and Belgrade are treating their minorities in the near future.
Peter, if this is what you really believe, that Russia is about to rule the world, then I would suggest you pull your head out of that basket.
As for Dragan, your racist comments are a good reminder of why we can not and will never be able to leave under the same roof.
Village-bey, because of the bulling I became a locally well-known and accomplished street fighter. What does not kill you makes you stronger! Most likely you were just messing around with your immature comment, if not then I accept. Oh by the way, NATO will not come to your rescue!
"People of Kosova are the BOSSES and not serbs from serbia ".
Very well, Ahmet. Since Serbs make up a vital component of the people of Kosovo, let the Serbs living there do the security work. Instead of VS, let's give the Serbs in the north exclusive security responsibility of those areas, and Serbs living in southern enclaves the same responsibility. I don't know how much clearer it should come to you but Serbs DO NOT trust you, in the same way you do not trust them.
Highly hypocritic reaction of the KFOR and UN officials. Official documment such as UN Resolution 1244, is not wellcomed, but Ahtisary's is highly appreciated. We can discuss weather is it, or isn't it right moment for completing of 1244, but certainly not for estimating it's content.
Furthermore in the 1244 is being written obligation of refugee return, protecting of property, etc, but nothing is going on for 8 years. So UNMIK easily react if something is in favour of Albanians, but in case of Serbs it is far different.
With a few exceptions, I cannot take anything that Serb camp is saying seriously. Therefore, in light of that I am proposing a way out of this. Why don’t I fight one of you guys in old street fight fashion? I know that Zoran is not up to the job as he has been bullied as a kid. Any other takers?
Lazer
Our eggs have been well placed to hatch. The product of which is going to make the Pristina leadership very, very unhappy. Just as will the fact that the US are removing their eggs from your basket.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
(lazer, 18. August 2007 16:52)
Its not about putting eggs in baskets,its about protecting serbian national interests.NOBODY attacks countries with nuclear weapons,i hope you know that...Besides,Kaliningrad and Serbia are ideal locations in Europe for deployment of short range nuclear missles-one in the north,other in the south of Europe,easy to reach any big European city.
By the way,when Russia lost cold war oil barrel was just about 15 $,now in 2007. is over 70 $,by the end of the year it will be 80$,and when Dubaya&Cheney start war with Iran it will go very soon to 100-150$ and i bet there will be big party in the Kremlin:-)
The point is:times are changing Lazer!
Philip, supporters of the Kosovo Albanian leadership assume anyone posting comments that do not support their agenda must be Serbian. Other non-Serbian posters have come in for the same treatment, simply because they dare to speak rationally on the issues.
It is also clear that some pro-Albanian posters assume Serbian names to post particularly provocative comments. They simply assume the Serbs must be using the same tactics.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
Philip Davies is my real name. I don't have a Serb name as I am not a Serb.
No I am referring to the resolution which doesn't say anything specifically about KFOR having a say on the matter.
Well if Albania had not allowed the KLA to use its land to attack Serbia/Yugoslavia then it wouldn't have a landmine problem. And aslo there is evidence that the KLA planted some of the mines themselves anyway.
Milosevic's policy was to defend the country that he was the head of state of. Just as you would expect any head of state would.
Serbia has shown the world that it is a multiethnic tolerant society, where thousands of ethnic albanians can live in peace and prosperity. The albanians have shown with their apartheid society, 2004 pogrom, destruction of churches and heritage sites, no freedom of movement or any other rights for minorities, that they are not capable nor worthy to run a state based on western values. Serbian soldiers will be back in Kosovo, where they belong, but this will take time and diplomacy. Mr. Kostunica is on the right path, and he will eventually get there.
Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!
shqiptar, the withdrawal refers to the the withdrawal of the Yugoslav forces from Kosovo which happened in 1999. The resolution 1244 was drafted and passed before that happened.
As for the landmines, had Albania not allowed itself to become a staging post for the KLA then it wouldn't have a mine problem now would it.
To Philip Davies or whatever your Serb name might be:
You are referring to the copetences of Kfor which know quite well the situation on the spot. And 1244 can't be considered as the rule of day.
And you have to be ashamed by your remarks on Albania. If not then you are a subscriber of Miloscevic's policies.
KFOR and albanians will renage on any greemant they sign, said rade. Why don't you do something about it than, stop winning and show us how tough you are and mach your rethoric.
All right men, do me a favor, from now on dont bring this up again since it is a DEAD ISSUE.
Be realistic, did you really expect this was gonna fly?
How could a 1000 Serbian police and troops be allowed in an area that is waiting to explode?
Come on now.
NATO is a very powerful organisation, you have to admit that.
Just do this, take NATO and US on one side and take Russia on the other side.
Do the math and you WILL come to a conclusion that you're NOT gonna like.
Politics are a very cruel thing.
K-FOR has a mission that has not changed since the end of the BOMBING in 1999.
Serbia acted very iresponsibly on the KosovA issue. Serbia has LOST its right to KosovA sovereignity.
Never mind what UNSC Resolution 1224 states.
We are far beyond that, things have changed on the ground.
KosovA INDEPENDENCE is the only outcome. Sooner this is agreed upon it will be better and easier for Serbia to rebound and INTEGRATE itself into EU.
Doesnt have to become a NATO member, but that is not a positive for Serbia.
The other countries like Austria or Sweden that are EU members are not full NATO members do not have a policy that has to do with a strong military. Serbia always has and I'm sure will want to have a strong military. Thats why Serbia always has to rely on a strong partner like Russia for now.
You can NOT have a strong military if you dont have a strong economy.
Right now Serbia has neither.
So it is very sad and pathetic to hear these from DSS threatening US and NATO.
This does NO GOOD TO SERBIAN ORDINARY PEOPLE and especially KosovA Serbs, who are left in a limbo by these statements.
Another reminder for the posters on this blog.
1224 states that a 1000 of serbian forces to return to KosovA, but the final word is the one of the COMMANDER of K-FOR.
Sorry guys.
Tell those DUMMIES @ DSS to not bring it up again.
Pera, the Albanians are in blissful denial that they most certainly are not masters of their own destiny. Despite their sycophantic attitude towards successive US Administrations, they seem further from achieving their goal than ever.
Reading numerous comments posted on this site, I’m sure that if it were up to some Albanians, there would be no Slavs or Greeks left in the Balkan Peninsula.
The refusal by UNMIK/KFOR to agree to the redeployment of Serbian forces in Kosovo and Metohija was to be expected.
They are obviously telling the truth when they say that such a move would ‘stir up trouble’ and the statement sends out some telling messages.
1. KFOR commanders are incompetent and scared of the Kosovo Albanian leadership and
2. KFOR and the Kosovo Albanian leadership will definitely renege on any agreements they sign.
Responsibility for the safety of Serbian lives and property, when the violence so often predicted on this site is instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership, now falls squarely on the shoulders of KFOR commanders.
Serbia can enter these negotiations without any delusions that voluntarily giving up sovereignty is any guarantor of the rights of the Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija or of wider stability.
Response to the US State Dept.: it is Washington who is fuelling tension in Kosovo among enthnic Albanians - by spreading statements that it will recognize an independence of Kosovo unilaterally. However, it should be reminded that the UNSC Res 1244 and the Guiding Principles, adopted by the Contact Group on Kososvo in Novemver 2005 (the US is one of its participants, by the way), prohibits full or partial partition of Kosovo and unulateral recognition of Kosovo as "independent state" in any form whatsoever.
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
Independence is the only avenue out for Serbia and most Serbs know this now.
Philip Davies said:
"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
To Philip Davies:
You correctly stating "After withdrawal". But have you witnessed any withdrawal, and is there to happen any? I don't think so. Quite contrary.
Then regarding to the part which refers to the returning of an agreed number of Serb Army and Police for ....
Marking/clearing minefields do you know that during the war in Kosova the Serbian Army has violated the Albanian border placing anti personnel mines within the Albanian territories at a area of 120 Km2. Since then a lot of locals have been injured and mutilated.
But the US agreed to this in UNSC resolution 1244:
After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
Marking/clearing minefields;
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.
KFOR or UNMIK have no authority to prohibit Serbia to send its police and military force to Kosovo. It has been stipulated by the UNSC Res 1244, and the UNSC has full power either to send them or to block them to enter Kosovo.
I have told you so. This request coming from belgrade is not the first one, and I do not understand serbian politicians at all how they like to make theself look like fools with such requests.Try it again Sam.
This is the same answer to the PM Kostunica: Don't even think to come in Kosova. In fact the Serbs can visit Kosova only as tourists, but for this they have to await some more months, certainly after obtaining an entry visa.
But the US agreed to this in UNSC resolution 1244:
After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
Marking/clearing minefields;
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.
KFOR or UNMIK have no authority to prohibit Serbia to send its police and military force to Kosovo. It has been stipulated by the UNSC Res 1244, and the UNSC has full power either to send them or to block them to enter Kosovo.
Philip Davies is my real name. I don't have a Serb name as I am not a Serb.
No I am referring to the resolution which doesn't say anything specifically about KFOR having a say on the matter.
Well if Albania had not allowed the KLA to use its land to attack Serbia/Yugoslavia then it wouldn't have a landmine problem. And aslo there is evidence that the KLA planted some of the mines themselves anyway.
Milosevic's policy was to defend the country that he was the head of state of. Just as you would expect any head of state would.
Response to the US State Dept.: it is Washington who is fuelling tension in Kosovo among enthnic Albanians - by spreading statements that it will recognize an independence of Kosovo unilaterally. However, it should be reminded that the UNSC Res 1244 and the Guiding Principles, adopted by the Contact Group on Kososvo in Novemver 2005 (the US is one of its participants, by the way), prohibits full or partial partition of Kosovo and unulateral recognition of Kosovo as "independent state" in any form whatsoever.
Pera, the Albanians are in blissful denial that they most certainly are not masters of their own destiny. Despite their sycophantic attitude towards successive US Administrations, they seem further from achieving their goal than ever.
Reading numerous comments posted on this site, I’m sure that if it were up to some Albanians, there would be no Slavs or Greeks left in the Balkan Peninsula.
Serbia has shown the world that it is a multiethnic tolerant society, where thousands of ethnic albanians can live in peace and prosperity. The albanians have shown with their apartheid society, 2004 pogrom, destruction of churches and heritage sites, no freedom of movement or any other rights for minorities, that they are not capable nor worthy to run a state based on western values. Serbian soldiers will be back in Kosovo, where they belong, but this will take time and diplomacy. Mr. Kostunica is on the right path, and he will eventually get there.
Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!
The refusal by UNMIK/KFOR to agree to the redeployment of Serbian forces in Kosovo and Metohija was to be expected.
They are obviously telling the truth when they say that such a move would ‘stir up trouble’ and the statement sends out some telling messages.
1. KFOR commanders are incompetent and scared of the Kosovo Albanian leadership and
2. KFOR and the Kosovo Albanian leadership will definitely renege on any agreements they sign.
Responsibility for the safety of Serbian lives and property, when the violence so often predicted on this site is instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership, now falls squarely on the shoulders of KFOR commanders.
Serbia can enter these negotiations without any delusions that voluntarily giving up sovereignty is any guarantor of the rights of the Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija or of wider stability.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
(lazer, 18. August 2007 16:52)
Its not about putting eggs in baskets,its about protecting serbian national interests.NOBODY attacks countries with nuclear weapons,i hope you know that...Besides,Kaliningrad and Serbia are ideal locations in Europe for deployment of short range nuclear missles-one in the north,other in the south of Europe,easy to reach any big European city.
By the way,when Russia lost cold war oil barrel was just about 15 $,now in 2007. is over 70 $,by the end of the year it will be 80$,and when Dubaya&Cheney start war with Iran it will go very soon to 100-150$ and i bet there will be big party in the Kremlin:-)
The point is:times are changing Lazer!
Village-bey, because of the bulling I became a locally well-known and accomplished street fighter. What does not kill you makes you stronger! Most likely you were just messing around with your immature comment, if not then I accept. Oh by the way, NATO will not come to your rescue!
shqiptar, the withdrawal refers to the the withdrawal of the Yugoslav forces from Kosovo which happened in 1999. The resolution 1244 was drafted and passed before that happened.
As for the landmines, had Albania not allowed itself to become a staging post for the KLA then it wouldn't have a mine problem now would it.
Johny
"I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro."
You think EU would allow that to happen?
I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree.
Philip, supporters of the Kosovo Albanian leadership assume anyone posting comments that do not support their agenda must be Serbian. Other non-Serbian posters have come in for the same treatment, simply because they dare to speak rationally on the issues.
It is also clear that some pro-Albanian posters assume Serbian names to post particularly provocative comments. They simply assume the Serbs must be using the same tactics.
"People of Kosova are the BOSSES and not serbs from serbia ".
Very well, Ahmet. Since Serbs make up a vital component of the people of Kosovo, let the Serbs living there do the security work. Instead of VS, let's give the Serbs in the north exclusive security responsibility of those areas, and Serbs living in southern enclaves the same responsibility. I don't know how much clearer it should come to you but Serbs DO NOT trust you, in the same way you do not trust them.
Lazer
Our eggs have been well placed to hatch. The product of which is going to make the Pristina leadership very, very unhappy. Just as will the fact that the US are removing their eggs from your basket.
I have told you so. This request coming from belgrade is not the first one, and I do not understand serbian politicians at all how they like to make theself look like fools with such requests.Try it again Sam.
This is the same answer to the PM Kostunica: Don't even think to come in Kosova. In fact the Serbs can visit Kosova only as tourists, but for this they have to await some more months, certainly after obtaining an entry visa.
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
Independence is the only avenue out for Serbia and most Serbs know this now.
We also heard that the annexation of Kosovo & Metohija was a formality. How wrong they were. We also heard that partition was out of the question. How wrong they were. Today all the world media is reporting in unison that the notion of partition is very real. Presently we hear NATO Pact sources reporting that they will veto any deployment of Serbian Armed Forces. UNSCR 1244 gives them that right, but the status quo suits Serbia more than it suits them so reading between the lines this means that we can expect the Ibar river to be the new EU border after the imminent deployment of the Serbian Armed Forces to restore security north of the river. In other words the DMZ will be extended southward. This is a natural progression and part of the gradual process of restoring Serbian sovereignity over her Kosovo & Metohija province.
To Philip Davies or whatever your Serb name might be:
You are referring to the copetences of Kfor which know quite well the situation on the spot. And 1244 can't be considered as the rule of day.
And you have to be ashamed by your remarks on Albania. If not then you are a subscriber of Miloscevic's policies.
I bet you truly consider yourself to have the oversight, but you are clearly showing all signs of desperation in regard to your comments.
the K-albanians are certainly not the "Bosses" as you liked to put it...
but what you obviously do not get here is, that instead of being "Bosses" you are being treated like useful idiots by the US. the best thing in that comedy is, that you consider your bosses to be your friends.
Philip Davies said:
"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
To Philip Davies:
You correctly stating "After withdrawal". But have you witnessed any withdrawal, and is there to happen any? I don't think so. Quite contrary.
Then regarding to the part which refers to the returning of an agreed number of Serb Army and Police for ....
Marking/clearing minefields do you know that during the war in Kosova the Serbian Army has violated the Albanian border placing anti personnel mines within the Albanian territories at a area of 120 Km2. Since then a lot of locals have been injured and mutilated.
Another reminder for the posters on this blog.
1224 states that a 1000 of serbian forces to return to KosovA, but the final word is the one of the COMMANDER of K-FOR.
Sorry guys.
Tell those DUMMIES @ DSS to not bring it up again.
Highly hypocritic reaction of the KFOR and UN officials. Official documment such as UN Resolution 1244, is not wellcomed, but Ahtisary's is highly appreciated. We can discuss weather is it, or isn't it right moment for completing of 1244, but certainly not for estimating it's content.
Furthermore in the 1244 is being written obligation of refugee return, protecting of property, etc, but nothing is going on for 8 years. So UNMIK easily react if something is in favour of Albanians, but in case of Serbs it is far different.
O.K. village-bey, I will send my Serb friend Zoran to Kosovo to fight you in the street as soon as he gets out of jail for beating up 5 police officers. I think he gets out in November.
That's not a bad idea letting natives protect their own areas - Serbs or Albanians. My guess as to why UNMIK axed plans for VS to come in is that it would essentially be reincorporated right back into Serbia.
So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
"I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree."
Cvele the problem with your reasoning is that somehow you think one nation or one group of people are more important to the western world than the other, in this case the Serbs are more important. I would buy that logic somewhat if this issue involved the Greeks and the Albanians since our whole western civilization is based on principles coming from the greko-roman world so there might be more sympathies towards the Greeks. I don't buy your logic also based on the fact that the western world already bombed and isolated Serbia, not because they thought Albanians were more important than Serbs but because the Serbs were the problem, the epicenter of all the crises and wars in the Balkans in the 90's. If Serbia decides to go that way again and even worse by becoming a direct threat to them I don't think the western world would hesitate in punishing it the same way it did in the 90's. In fact I think it would punish any country of in Europe (that is not a big power) the same way it did Serbia. The western world today works on the principle that if you commit atrocities(and you are not a superpower), if you are a threat to the western world you sovereignty is questioned and as it happened in the case of Serbia it can be forfeited.
KFOR and albanians will renage on any greemant they sign, said rade. Why don't you do something about it than, stop winning and show us how tough you are and mach your rethoric.
All right men, do me a favor, from now on dont bring this up again since it is a DEAD ISSUE.
Be realistic, did you really expect this was gonna fly?
How could a 1000 Serbian police and troops be allowed in an area that is waiting to explode?
Come on now.
NATO is a very powerful organisation, you have to admit that.
Just do this, take NATO and US on one side and take Russia on the other side.
Do the math and you WILL come to a conclusion that you're NOT gonna like.
Politics are a very cruel thing.
K-FOR has a mission that has not changed since the end of the BOMBING in 1999.
Serbia acted very iresponsibly on the KosovA issue. Serbia has LOST its right to KosovA sovereignity.
Never mind what UNSC Resolution 1224 states.
We are far beyond that, things have changed on the ground.
KosovA INDEPENDENCE is the only outcome. Sooner this is agreed upon it will be better and easier for Serbia to rebound and INTEGRATE itself into EU.
Doesnt have to become a NATO member, but that is not a positive for Serbia.
The other countries like Austria or Sweden that are EU members are not full NATO members do not have a policy that has to do with a strong military. Serbia always has and I'm sure will want to have a strong military. Thats why Serbia always has to rely on a strong partner like Russia for now.
You can NOT have a strong military if you dont have a strong economy.
Right now Serbia has neither.
So it is very sad and pathetic to hear these from DSS threatening US and NATO.
This does NO GOOD TO SERBIAN ORDINARY PEOPLE and especially KosovA Serbs, who are left in a limbo by these statements.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
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The Serbian Gevernment can't send 1000 troops in Kosova without UNMIK agreement and imagine how they can retain the control of Kosova!!!
A small advice,back to reality,it is easy said then done.
Kosova with or without USA will be an independent country!!!
I don't know what's wrong with that!
With a few exceptions, I cannot take anything that Serb camp is saying seriously. Therefore, in light of that I am proposing a way out of this. Why don’t I fight one of you guys in old street fight fashion? I know that Zoran is not up to the job as he has been bullied as a kid. Any other takers?
"Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!"
I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro.
Mike I don't think the majority of Albanians have any problem of letting Serbs born and raised in Kosova/o provide security for themselves, even when Kosovo/a becomes independent. It is logical that lets say the Serbs born in Kosova/o who live lets say in Northen Mitrovica provide their own security since the majority of people there are Serbs so it makes sense for the majority of the security of the forces to be Serbs for the majority of the politicians there to be Serbs and for the mayor to be Serb. It makes no sense whatsoever for Albanians to provide security in lets say Northen Mitrovica. The same can be applied to areas where Serbs are a majority. I would propose that out of good will both sides do the same with their respective populations. So it makes sense that the Albanians in the Presheva Valley provide their own security forces. In both cases I think these security forces should under the same ministry, the interior ministry that depend on Prishtina and Belgrade. These ministries should only be involved in the financing of the security forces and a background check for the personnel of such forces so no war criminal or ordinary criminal becomes part of such forces. However in any case the personnel should be made of natives. It makes no sense whatsoever to have security forces who are born in Belgrade provide security in Kosova/o just like it makes no sense for personnel who are born in Prishtina provide security for the Presheva Valley. I think these regions should be seen as the litmus test as to how both Prishtina and Belgrade are treating their minorities in the near future.
Peter, if this is what you really believe, that Russia is about to rule the world, then I would suggest you pull your head out of that basket.
As for Dragan, your racist comments are a good reminder of why we can not and will never be able to leave under the same roof.
Serbia a "multiethnic tolerant society" ? Come on my boy don't be so ridiculous in light of all the attacks against Hungarians and Roma publicized even on this site in the last few days. And about the Serbian dream of sending forces back to Kosovo: the message from UNMIK came quick and clair. Which part of the NO you do not understand?
on a TV Interview during 2003 an high ranking person from Serbian Police forces had declared that in Kosovo are still operating 1200 serbian police forces illegaly.
I think that the webmaster won't allow to be published this article
"So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
(Mike, 18. August 2007 20:24)"
I think that's what will happen, even though both Belgrade and Prishtina don't like it. Letting the natives provide security for their own communities removes any perceived threats coming from Belgrade or Prishtina
gajo,
The answer is very simple. Serbia was quicked out of Kosovo because of all the horribles crimes committed...just like Adam and Eve from paradice even though they just tasted an apple.
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(B92, 18. August 2007 20:15)
The mods have spoken for those who want to provoke troubles have been warned. I appreciate B92 allowing to have dialogue, but some of choose to take to the extreme. I am NOT A SERB NOR AM I ALBANIAN some of the poster here know me personally so for those who don't then do make assumptions just because i don't agree with you opinion. Misunderstanding have caused all kinds of conflicts in history. A difference of an opinion does not necessarily mean you hate someone as some of the poster tend to promote if there cause is not supported. I am not going to mention names you know who you are. Back to subject, it would be a mistake to send forces back to Kosovo, because that will be an misunderstanding that would used a fuel to start a fire. Why provoke violence because that is the excuse people are looking for. Now IF VIOLENCE i am not promoting violence does break out after December 10th because things do not goes as planned then i support a return of forces not excluding Serbian and Russians to protect enclaves and religous sites. The Russian were there first after Serbian forces left and no one attacked them. If that does happen and i hope it does not then it would be at the invitation of NATO and i am sure those forces will be operating jointly and like i have said before. Jumping up and down is not going to get anyone attention, but resorting to other than dialoque will only cause suffereing for others. Thank you B92 for supporting these constructive forums
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
12000 eh Victor? were you there to count em? Why don't you add another zero to your claimed tally so that it sounds even more impressive.
johny
well lets see my argument is based on the fact that its no longer 99. Our allies that were very close to falling under pressure to their cgovernments to help us and were unable to do so are in a completely different state of wealth right now.
This is the same answer to the PM Kostunica: Don't even think to come in Kosova. In fact the Serbs can visit Kosova only as tourists, but for this they have to await some more months, certainly after obtaining an entry visa.
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
Independence is the only avenue out for Serbia and most Serbs know this now.
I have told you so. This request coming from belgrade is not the first one, and I do not understand serbian politicians at all how they like to make theself look like fools with such requests.Try it again Sam.
KFOR and albanians will renage on any greemant they sign, said rade. Why don't you do something about it than, stop winning and show us how tough you are and mach your rethoric.
All right men, do me a favor, from now on dont bring this up again since it is a DEAD ISSUE.
Be realistic, did you really expect this was gonna fly?
How could a 1000 Serbian police and troops be allowed in an area that is waiting to explode?
Come on now.
NATO is a very powerful organisation, you have to admit that.
Just do this, take NATO and US on one side and take Russia on the other side.
Do the math and you WILL come to a conclusion that you're NOT gonna like.
Politics are a very cruel thing.
K-FOR has a mission that has not changed since the end of the BOMBING in 1999.
Serbia acted very iresponsibly on the KosovA issue. Serbia has LOST its right to KosovA sovereignity.
Never mind what UNSC Resolution 1224 states.
We are far beyond that, things have changed on the ground.
KosovA INDEPENDENCE is the only outcome. Sooner this is agreed upon it will be better and easier for Serbia to rebound and INTEGRATE itself into EU.
Doesnt have to become a NATO member, but that is not a positive for Serbia.
The other countries like Austria or Sweden that are EU members are not full NATO members do not have a policy that has to do with a strong military. Serbia always has and I'm sure will want to have a strong military. Thats why Serbia always has to rely on a strong partner like Russia for now.
You can NOT have a strong military if you dont have a strong economy.
Right now Serbia has neither.
So it is very sad and pathetic to hear these from DSS threatening US and NATO.
This does NO GOOD TO SERBIAN ORDINARY PEOPLE and especially KosovA Serbs, who are left in a limbo by these statements.
To Philip Davies or whatever your Serb name might be:
You are referring to the copetences of Kfor which know quite well the situation on the spot. And 1244 can't be considered as the rule of day.
And you have to be ashamed by your remarks on Albania. If not then you are a subscriber of Miloscevic's policies.
With a few exceptions, I cannot take anything that Serb camp is saying seriously. Therefore, in light of that I am proposing a way out of this. Why don’t I fight one of you guys in old street fight fashion? I know that Zoran is not up to the job as he has been bullied as a kid. Any other takers?
Philip Davies said:
"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
To Philip Davies:
You correctly stating "After withdrawal". But have you witnessed any withdrawal, and is there to happen any? I don't think so. Quite contrary.
Then regarding to the part which refers to the returning of an agreed number of Serb Army and Police for ....
Marking/clearing minefields do you know that during the war in Kosova the Serbian Army has violated the Albanian border placing anti personnel mines within the Albanian territories at a area of 120 Km2. Since then a lot of locals have been injured and mutilated.
Another reminder for the posters on this blog.
1224 states that a 1000 of serbian forces to return to KosovA, but the final word is the one of the COMMANDER of K-FOR.
Sorry guys.
Tell those DUMMIES @ DSS to not bring it up again.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
gajo,
The answer is very simple. Serbia was quicked out of Kosovo because of all the horribles crimes committed...just like Adam and Eve from paradice even though they just tasted an apple.
Response to the US State Dept.: it is Washington who is fuelling tension in Kosovo among enthnic Albanians - by spreading statements that it will recognize an independence of Kosovo unilaterally. However, it should be reminded that the UNSC Res 1244 and the Guiding Principles, adopted by the Contact Group on Kososvo in Novemver 2005 (the US is one of its participants, by the way), prohibits full or partial partition of Kosovo and unulateral recognition of Kosovo as "independent state" in any form whatsoever.
Peter, if this is what you really believe, that Russia is about to rule the world, then I would suggest you pull your head out of that basket.
As for Dragan, your racist comments are a good reminder of why we can not and will never be able to leave under the same roof.
Serbia a "multiethnic tolerant society" ? Come on my boy don't be so ridiculous in light of all the attacks against Hungarians and Roma publicized even on this site in the last few days. And about the Serbian dream of sending forces back to Kosovo: the message from UNMIK came quick and clair. Which part of the NO you do not understand?
Your opinions and analysis concerning the sensitive security issues involving Belgrade, Priština and the international community are welcome and will be published, if at times edited to meet our standards.
Inciteful calls, posts promoting another war in the Balkans, have been and will continue to be deleted.
We thank you for your understanding and invite you to a moderate and reasonable dialogue.
But the US agreed to this in UNSC resolution 1244:
After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
Marking/clearing minefields;
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.
KFOR or UNMIK have no authority to prohibit Serbia to send its police and military force to Kosovo. It has been stipulated by the UNSC Res 1244, and the UNSC has full power either to send them or to block them to enter Kosovo.
Pera, the Albanians are in blissful denial that they most certainly are not masters of their own destiny. Despite their sycophantic attitude towards successive US Administrations, they seem further from achieving their goal than ever.
Reading numerous comments posted on this site, I’m sure that if it were up to some Albanians, there would be no Slavs or Greeks left in the Balkan Peninsula.
Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!
O.K. village-bey, I will send my Serb friend Zoran to Kosovo to fight you in the street as soon as he gets out of jail for beating up 5 police officers. I think he gets out in November.
That's not a bad idea letting natives protect their own areas - Serbs or Albanians. My guess as to why UNMIK axed plans for VS to come in is that it would essentially be reincorporated right back into Serbia.
So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
Johny
"I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro."
You think EU would allow that to happen?
I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree.
on a TV Interview during 2003 an high ranking person from Serbian Police forces had declared that in Kosovo are still operating 1200 serbian police forces illegaly.
I think that the webmaster won't allow to be published this article
The Serbian Gevernment can't send 1000 troops in Kosova without UNMIK agreement and imagine how they can retain the control of Kosova!!!
A small advice,back to reality,it is easy said then done.
Kosova with or without USA will be an independent country!!!
I don't know what's wrong with that!
I can hardly believe that a responsible person would, furthermore, a member of parliament, would ever make such a statement. This is highly irresponsible considering that the last time the army was deployed in Kosovo, 12 000 Albanians were massacred.
I am highly satisfied that the UNMIK made it clear that the Serbian forces will not and never return to Kosovo.
12000 eh Victor? were you there to count em? Why don't you add another zero to your claimed tally so that it sounds even more impressive.
The refusal by UNMIK/KFOR to agree to the redeployment of Serbian forces in Kosovo and Metohija was to be expected.
They are obviously telling the truth when they say that such a move would ‘stir up trouble’ and the statement sends out some telling messages.
1. KFOR commanders are incompetent and scared of the Kosovo Albanian leadership and
2. KFOR and the Kosovo Albanian leadership will definitely renege on any agreements they sign.
Responsibility for the safety of Serbian lives and property, when the violence so often predicted on this site is instigated by the Kosovo Albanian leadership, now falls squarely on the shoulders of KFOR commanders.
Serbia can enter these negotiations without any delusions that voluntarily giving up sovereignty is any guarantor of the rights of the Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija or of wider stability.
shqiptar, the withdrawal refers to the the withdrawal of the Yugoslav forces from Kosovo which happened in 1999. The resolution 1244 was drafted and passed before that happened.
As for the landmines, had Albania not allowed itself to become a staging post for the KLA then it wouldn't have a mine problem now would it.
Serbia has shown the world that it is a multiethnic tolerant society, where thousands of ethnic albanians can live in peace and prosperity. The albanians have shown with their apartheid society, 2004 pogrom, destruction of churches and heritage sites, no freedom of movement or any other rights for minorities, that they are not capable nor worthy to run a state based on western values. Serbian soldiers will be back in Kosovo, where they belong, but this will take time and diplomacy. Mr. Kostunica is on the right path, and he will eventually get there.
Philip Davies is my real name. I don't have a Serb name as I am not a Serb.
No I am referring to the resolution which doesn't say anything specifically about KFOR having a say on the matter.
Well if Albania had not allowed the KLA to use its land to attack Serbia/Yugoslavia then it wouldn't have a landmine problem. And aslo there is evidence that the KLA planted some of the mines themselves anyway.
Milosevic's policy was to defend the country that he was the head of state of. Just as you would expect any head of state would.
Philip, supporters of the Kosovo Albanian leadership assume anyone posting comments that do not support their agenda must be Serbian. Other non-Serbian posters have come in for the same treatment, simply because they dare to speak rationally on the issues.
It is also clear that some pro-Albanian posters assume Serbian names to post particularly provocative comments. They simply assume the Serbs must be using the same tactics.
"People of Kosova are the BOSSES and not serbs from serbia ".
Very well, Ahmet. Since Serbs make up a vital component of the people of Kosovo, let the Serbs living there do the security work. Instead of VS, let's give the Serbs in the north exclusive security responsibility of those areas, and Serbs living in southern enclaves the same responsibility. I don't know how much clearer it should come to you but Serbs DO NOT trust you, in the same way you do not trust them.
Lazer
Our eggs have been well placed to hatch. The product of which is going to make the Pristina leadership very, very unhappy. Just as will the fact that the US are removing their eggs from your basket.
Highly hypocritic reaction of the KFOR and UN officials. Official documment such as UN Resolution 1244, is not wellcomed, but Ahtisary's is highly appreciated. We can discuss weather is it, or isn't it right moment for completing of 1244, but certainly not for estimating it's content.
Furthermore in the 1244 is being written obligation of refugee return, protecting of property, etc, but nothing is going on for 8 years. So UNMIK easily react if something is in favour of Albanians, but in case of Serbs it is far different.
Peter,
its a wrong thing to put the eggs in one basket thats called Russia.
NOT SMART.
Russia is a looser of the COLD WAR, remember?
That was not so long ago.
(lazer, 18. August 2007 16:52)
Its not about putting eggs in baskets,its about protecting serbian national interests.NOBODY attacks countries with nuclear weapons,i hope you know that...Besides,Kaliningrad and Serbia are ideal locations in Europe for deployment of short range nuclear missles-one in the north,other in the south of Europe,easy to reach any big European city.
By the way,when Russia lost cold war oil barrel was just about 15 $,now in 2007. is over 70 $,by the end of the year it will be 80$,and when Dubaya&Cheney start war with Iran it will go very soon to 100-150$ and i bet there will be big party in the Kremlin:-)
The point is:times are changing Lazer!
"Serbia should ask Russia to deploy its new short/medium range Iskander missles with nuclear warheads at the same time when Russia deploys them in Kaliningrad region later this year.So when Serbia is safe under Russian nuclear umbrella,any talk with EU/NATO will be much easier and relaxed!"
I hope Serbia and Russia do that. Then Serbia will turn into the Cuba, the Cuba of Europe and Kostunica into the new Castro.
Mike I don't think the majority of Albanians have any problem of letting Serbs born and raised in Kosova/o provide security for themselves, even when Kosovo/a becomes independent. It is logical that lets say the Serbs born in Kosova/o who live lets say in Northen Mitrovica provide their own security since the majority of people there are Serbs so it makes sense for the majority of the security of the forces to be Serbs for the majority of the politicians there to be Serbs and for the mayor to be Serb. It makes no sense whatsoever for Albanians to provide security in lets say Northen Mitrovica. The same can be applied to areas where Serbs are a majority. I would propose that out of good will both sides do the same with their respective populations. So it makes sense that the Albanians in the Presheva Valley provide their own security forces. In both cases I think these security forces should under the same ministry, the interior ministry that depend on Prishtina and Belgrade. These ministries should only be involved in the financing of the security forces and a background check for the personnel of such forces so no war criminal or ordinary criminal becomes part of such forces. However in any case the personnel should be made of natives. It makes no sense whatsoever to have security forces who are born in Belgrade provide security in Kosova/o just like it makes no sense for personnel who are born in Prishtina provide security for the Presheva Valley. I think these regions should be seen as the litmus test as to how both Prishtina and Belgrade are treating their minorities in the near future.
Village-bey, because of the bulling I became a locally well-known and accomplished street fighter. What does not kill you makes you stronger! Most likely you were just messing around with your immature comment, if not then I accept. Oh by the way, NATO will not come to your rescue!
I bet you truly consider yourself to have the oversight, but you are clearly showing all signs of desperation in regard to your comments.
the K-albanians are certainly not the "Bosses" as you liked to put it...
but what you obviously do not get here is, that instead of being "Bosses" you are being treated like useful idiots by the US. the best thing in that comedy is, that you consider your bosses to be your friends.
We also heard that the annexation of Kosovo & Metohija was a formality. How wrong they were. We also heard that partition was out of the question. How wrong they were. Today all the world media is reporting in unison that the notion of partition is very real. Presently we hear NATO Pact sources reporting that they will veto any deployment of Serbian Armed Forces. UNSCR 1244 gives them that right, but the status quo suits Serbia more than it suits them so reading between the lines this means that we can expect the Ibar river to be the new EU border after the imminent deployment of the Serbian Armed Forces to restore security north of the river. In other words the DMZ will be extended southward. This is a natural progression and part of the gradual process of restoring Serbian sovereignity over her Kosovo & Metohija province.
"So K-Serbs protect Serb areas and K-Albs protect Albanian? I have no problem with that. Provided both are under executive authority of NATO, which is probably what's going to happen, if it has not yet already happened.It seems the most logical move.
(Mike, 18. August 2007 20:24)"
I think that's what will happen, even though both Belgrade and Prishtina don't like it. Letting the natives provide security for their own communities removes any perceived threats coming from Belgrade or Prishtina
"I personally believe they would rather sell out the albans (which will never be in the EU anyway) then cause themselves such problem. Unlike the US with CUBA they are no where near united on this. Wouldnt you agree."
Cvele the problem with your reasoning is that somehow you think one nation or one group of people are more important to the western world than the other, in this case the Serbs are more important. I would buy that logic somewhat if this issue involved the Greeks and the Albanians since our whole western civilization is based on principles coming from the greko-roman world so there might be more sympathies towards the Greeks. I don't buy your logic also based on the fact that the western world already bombed and isolated Serbia, not because they thought Albanians were more important than Serbs but because the Serbs were the problem, the epicenter of all the crises and wars in the Balkans in the 90's. If Serbia decides to go that way again and even worse by becoming a direct threat to them I don't think the western world would hesitate in punishing it the same way it did in the 90's. In fact I think it would punish any country of in Europe (that is not a big power) the same way it did Serbia. The western world today works on the principle that if you commit atrocities(and you are not a superpower), if you are a threat to the western world you sovereignty is questioned and as it happened in the case of Serbia it can be forfeited.
Your opinions and analysis concerning the sensitive security issues involving Belgrade, Priština and the international community are welcome and will be published, if at times edited to meet our standards.
Inciteful calls, posts promoting another war in the Balkans, have been and will continue to be deleted.
We thank you for your understanding and invite you to a moderate and reasonable dialogue.
B92
(B92, 18. August 2007 20:15)
The mods have spoken for those who want to provoke troubles have been warned. I appreciate B92 allowing to have dialogue, but some of choose to take to the extreme. I am NOT A SERB NOR AM I ALBANIAN some of the poster here know me personally so for those who don't then do make assumptions just because i don't agree with you opinion. Misunderstanding have caused all kinds of conflicts in history. A difference of an opinion does not necessarily mean you hate someone as some of the poster tend to promote if there cause is not supported. I am not going to mention names you know who you are. Back to subject, it would be a mistake to send forces back to Kosovo, because that will be an misunderstanding that would used a fuel to start a fire. Why provoke violence because that is the excuse people are looking for. Now IF VIOLENCE i am not promoting violence does break out after December 10th because things do not goes as planned then i support a return of forces not excluding Serbian and Russians to protect enclaves and religous sites. The Russian were there first after Serbian forces left and no one attacked them. If that does happen and i hope it does not then it would be at the invitation of NATO and i am sure those forces will be operating jointly and like i have said before. Jumping up and down is not going to get anyone attention, but resorting to other than dialoque will only cause suffereing for others. Thank you B92 for supporting these constructive forums
johny
well lets see my argument is based on the fact that its no longer 99. Our allies that were very close to falling under pressure to their cgovernments to help us and were unable to do so are in a completely different state of wealth right now.
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