Koštunica adviser: Time to return to Kosovo

I was always surprised that this wasn't brought up before now. It was always part of the agreement that a certain number of troops and police would be allowed back alongside the international troops.

I just get an increased feeling that this is all a game of chess being played out by the EU, US and Russia. There's clearly a lot going on behind the scenes and maybe this is part of it.

Teni, Serbian troops protecting Serbian people and our historic sites is hardly a "provocation"..it is a necessity. Attacks on those protecting our sites would be a death sentence for the Albanian independence movement. It would only goto show what is an almost prven fact; that albanians do not want any Serbians in Kosovo. And i beleive that serbian troops will have no problem putting down any attacks by a poorly trained kla army.

Jovan
-If Serbia lost why did Kosovo remain a part of it? Its you that lost and are lossing the new battle of politics as well. But tell yourself whatever you want. All that matters is that WEST and EAST... as well as NORTH AND SOUTH all still KNOW that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia and US giving it independence without consent of the UN is the worst possible scenario for everyone thats pro independence.
Albano
-We will have no problem finding 100x that ammount of troops if we need to.

This is just a provocation that a three year old child could see for what it is.

If serbs are in danger as Koshtunica & Co claim and 16 000 well equiped NATO troops cannot protect them, then what is an extra 1000 serbian troops going to do?

If anything that will only put K serbs in more danger.

The statements that we have seen from the Serb officials in the last few days shows their true colours, that they are only interested in causing trouble in Kosovo, and that they do not care about K.Serbs.

And by the way,as an albanian, I hope that these childish attacks on NATO, USA, and these calls for serbian troops to return to Kosovo, continue..

I just wish our albanian leaders were promoting independence as good as the serbian leaders!

Keep going Koshtunica, do your thing!

"NATO has no intention of forming a state in Kosovo since it is here in a peacekeeping mission," Brigadier General Douglas Earhart told a news conference in the east Kosovo town of Gnjilane.

That being the case, there is no reason for Resolution 1244 not to be fully implemented, including the return of Serbian forces to its southern province.

Neither ritual references to Resolution 1244 (perhaps the only one among dozens of Security Council resolutions passed during the 1990s that official Belgrade has decided is sacred, while ignoring all the others), nor other forms of rhetorical chest-pounding can hide the fact that Kosovo is lost to Serbia -- and has been for more than 8 years now. It was foolishly and criminally gambled away by those in charge of the state and of its police and armed forces in the 1990s. Serbia went to war and lost. Kumanovo was a surrender. Trying to roll back history at this stage is useless. Serbia's army and police are not about to return to Kosovo, not now and not at any time in the foreseeable future. Kostunica and others may engage in political theatre in trying to pretend otherwise, but saying so does not make it so.

I think it would be very hard to find 1000 such brave man, becouse your people know that it is 1999 anymore.

Well, I think this should be allowed. Wasn't this in the UN Resolution?

And to all Albanians here, where would you be without NATO intervention.

It is very easy to act as an winner if someone else helped you winning the battel for you.

Come on guys, you know the intervetion gave you only AUTONOMY. Well, that is more than the people of Tibet have.

If Serbia sends troops to Kosovo and if UNMIK or NATO consents to it I guess they would be confined to Northern Kosovo and that would ammount to de facto partition and independence for the rest of Kosovo.
I do not think they will be allowed to go anywhere else because that would simply be to much of a provocation. I do not doubt that the Serb government might like to stir up trouble in Kosovo in order to improve its bargaining position, but I also don't think that NATO or UNMIK would stand for it. And in any case it would not be a very smart move to have small detachments of Serb police and army spread thin wherever there are Serb settlements becasue they would be little more than sitting ducks.

Paul, I am with you on that! Looks like something funky is going on here with Ahmet, Jovan, and Lazer talking about killing. I think the Albanians are up to their old tricks, getting a little desperate aren’t you? So NATO is “denying” again, who would have thought? No valid arguments, just denying and saying “we are peacekeepers”. If NATO is not trying to create a military puppet state then prove it and let Serbian police/army in. After all it is Serbia and NATO is not trying to occupy Serbian land right?

Nikshala - it's not about numbers. If I were a Serb in Kosovo who felt in danger I would rather have one soldier who I could rely on than 20 who were unable to do anything. Eg. the last time there were riots.

Teni.... first of all, judging from the recent events in Presevo, its obvious that albanians need protection from themselves...sending in more albanians would just add to the problem. Secondly, since Kosovo is STILL a part of SRBIJA, it is within INTERNATIONAL LAW that Serbian troops can enter any portion of their country. Kosovo is Srbija. Also, Any troops from a foreign nation entering Srbija against its will is called an invasion, and its not going to happen, EVER...And please dont come back with a reply of how Kosovo is seperate country already because in reality and on every map, its within Serbian borders, as it should be.

I can't believe who's who. Is Jovan Ahmet and vice versa. Gentlemen, which side of the table are you sitting on. Jovan, you support the Serbs one day and discredit them the next. If I may, what nationality are you?
(Paul, 17. August 2007 17:01)

don´t worry Paul, or Cvele...

that comment allegedly written by "Jovan" is certainly not written by me, it´s either a funny Albanian who doesn´t know how to provoke you after all that quite boring kosovaaah-nonsense, or it is just a joke...but it´s definitely not me.

by the way, it doesn´t matter at all what nationality I am of, it´s the arguments that count.
and in regard of that Serbia is on the right side.

ps: if that other "Jovan" should go on with that..., you will know which view I hold in regard to the Kosovo-issue, so it shouldn´t be difficult to differentiate us.

Teni, i suggest you just stand by and see what happens. During the uprising in the Presevo Valley, NATO abolish the 5 mile buffer zone to prevent rebels from attacking and then running back to the buffer zone. You never know what NATO will to move alone the talks. If they allow Forces back into Northern Kosovo then all will start to talk again or Risk losing North of the Ibar. Just a thought.

Yes, yes... we need troops all over Kosovo... So that means we do not need to go to just the northern sector... we need to go elsewhere too... to Gracanica, Kamenica, Strpce, and other enclaves. Only that way will our population feel safe and be able to kill albanians in self defense on a massive number if they try to force them out of their homes like they did in 2004 or in the immediate aftermath of the war in 1999. The West is everyone's enemy... most of the hardship that the albanians faced in 1999 came after the bombing as a logical consequence of the bombing.

Lazar: I wonder what the others in the Serb camp will make of your comment. You seem a quite bloodthirsty sort of a guy. Is that what Serbia did during the war too, kill Albanians in self defence in massive numbers? And I guess they raped and killed in Bosnia in self defence too right? And then you have the courage to talk of a democratic and tolerant Serbia? If you are in any way representative of the mentality that reigns in Serbia I pitty the Hungarians and Romas and Muslims in your country and I thank God that Kosovo is free.

Serbia has only suffered as a result of NATO. This organisation is now instrumental in the dismemberment of Kosovo from Serbia. What possible advantage is there for Serbia joining NATO ? Serbia should steer well clear of this distructive organisation, it has nothing to offer. I do not understand how Serbia can even contemplate joining NATO !

Ahmet,you completely discredited yourself with "mark my words" episode.Don't you get that?Nobody is taking seriously anything you say anymore!

no Ahmed...I don´t think so...

the mere fact, that the socalled troika doesn´t rule out partition is an indication that perhaps the albanian side has offered partition..since they see that within the UNSC there is no way of getting what they so desperately wish...
and on the other side maybe they even realize that they wouldn´t have much of a chance to withstand agains the serbian armed forces, in case it came to an armed conflict again...what could happen in case of an unilateral declaration.

so, I would say that you do not see reality.
for Serbia there is absolutely no reason to give in in such a mean trick, since they have international law on their side and a significant number of states within the UNSC is against it, why should Serbia divide it´s own territory? just tell us!

it looks as this test balloon can only be coming from the albanian side!

of course, I am only dreaming...just like I was dreaming when I told you that the Russians would not back down before "the one and only global superpower" :)

to be honest, I don´t even hate to say it, I am quite amused to tell you that you should try to read between the lines...instead of fooling yourself!

Ahmet - thank you for telling us where you were all day as we waited patiently for your taunting posts of malarchy. By the way, it didn't take you too long to catch up. You're right on queue.

We are there to help Serbians and Albanians from extremists, and we have a right to defend and protect our people and our land according to our sovereighnty and to the 1999 resolution.

Hey Lazar,
Why don't YOU come to Kosovo and try to KILL just a single Albanian, let alone on massive number. Shame on you!!

I can't believe who's who. Is Jovan Ahmet and vice versa. Gentlemen, which side of the table are you sitting on. Jovan, you support the Serbs one day and discredit them the next. If I may, what nationality are you?

Guys Lazar, Cvele, Rade, JHam cool down. This is just another desperate statement from the failed Serbian politicians. I don’t think that any of that has a slightest of chances to happen.

Message for KATE 1244:
See what Jovan thinks that the Serbian forces should be deployed to do, kill Albanians “in self defence”. This is how it all started during the Milosevic regime. People like Lazar brought Milosevic to power.


Serbian police cannot come back to Kosova no matter what resolution you mention because they are not wanted, simple.

Serbian police have no one to protect in here. Serbs are protected by Serbian KPS police officers, NATO and UNMIK forces. Churches that many of mention so much are not protected since there is no need for such protection, no one attacks them.
Ahtisari package has given plenty of protection to Serbs in Kosova.

rony, the un also had a paper with All serb forces to be out of the country.
With out Russian support Serbians would of never reached Kosovo.
And one thing you are right about that the communist ages still exist in Serbia up to this day!
Take it easy
Free Tibet by demonstrating with Kosovos independence!

As for the Serbians that want to live side by side, i solute you to a new beginning.

Ron,

The opressed man does not really care whether he loses or wins in a battle.

We didnt ask NATO whether to fight the Serbs, NATO intervened because they realized that the Serbs must be "convinced" to stop murdering people in the Ballkans to protect their 100 "Hearts of Serbia".

To my fellow Serbian audience, some albanian or pro-albanian ignoramous is posting under my name, or, there's another Paul on the board. Nevertheless, anything pro-albanian does not stem from me. I believe what Kostunica and his advisors are doing marvelous work, they are hitting hard with respect to Nato's intentions, and I commend them for it. They are not submissive and compliant anymore, and that's great. They are finaly standing up to the US, however, I don't believe we are united as a government. DSS is in a coalation with the DS, and yet you don't hear any DS minister supporting the DSS on this issue. I don't believe Tadic has his heart behind this, and if his party would've been in a majority, Kosovo would be long gone. The Serbian politicians have erred in the past when they split up Serbia into provinces, hence, the present situation. All the parties should take a united stance because the country's sovereignty and integrity are at stake. Let's not repeat our previous mistakes, haven't we learnt from past.

Teni, My Government and Army is current the Majority of the NATO Forces in Kosovo. NATO is already deployed in Northern Kosovo and if it took US Forces to deploy in the North to ensure there are no dummys trying to do sneak attacks then it will probably happen. If you want US and Russian Forces to protect Serb enclaves then if that would seal the deal then it would happen. So for those who are thinking to try to cause trouble to drive out people who are not wanted in Kosovo refer to Kosovopress website. NATO will not tolerate violence in Kosovo. I hope everyone will understand this.

Jovan - I can't agree. There is a possibility that Kosova is not going to become independent. Many people know this.

Kostunica definitely must replace his advisers... Or, even better, Serbia must replace its PM...

There is something that I would like to add in reference to these statements by the Kostunica advisor.

In 1999, one of the reasons why the KLA agreed to disband and disarm (give up weapons larger than a hunting rifle) was the KFOR guarantee that there will be no return of Serb police and army in Kosovo.

The moment there is an “official” entry of Serbian army and police in Kosovo, the KLA will re-group and re-arm itself. I am saying “official” since presently there are Serb security forces that enter and roam Kosovo freely on daily basis.

Anyway, all those weapons have been stored (not destroyed); that was a part of the agreement. This is not something that I am making up as I have no reason to do so.

Kostunica knows this very well. What he is hoping for is unrest in Kosovo. He will ask for the return of Serb security forces (knowing that it will not happen), hoping that the former KLA members will react by re-grouping, re-arming and possibly provoking violence against Kosovo Serbs.

That would definitely derail the process of Kosovo’s movement towards self-determination. Very creative indeed – one more time, he shows that he doesn’t really care about Serbs in Kosovo (just like his predecessor).

It is an episode of rhetorical chest-pounding aimed at the Serbian public, but also an episode of provocations aimed at Kosovo’s population.

(Leon Kojen - “Serbia must choose Kosovo over EU”, Stanimir Vukićević - Serbia will not trade Kosovo for EU, Branislav Ristivojević - "Ni pedalj Srbije zarad EU" etc etc.)

To b92,
I have not been in my offcie all day long becasue I was with the delegation from Montengro reagrding the new International border crossing to open soon in Qakor+ to bild the new facility at right spot at Kullina pass. I just got back and notice post #9 someone has used my name.
Getting back to the article; Koshutinca's adviser is a losy adviser if he think he can bring back serbian police and soldiers he must have had a bad dream and/or he maybe thought is Aprils fools day. Has any serbian poster on his site checked with serb officials about todays visit in Kosova,or belgrade has gone in deep sleep. This is a slap in the face from your Montengrian brothers and sisters for not sking you to open a new border crossing.Ops I forgat Kosova has nothing to do with serbia as well as Montenegro is an Independent contry and is no longer under the same roof with their serb brothers.

This is pure political theater. It makes me laugh. They sound as the last whispers of a dying monster.

"This so called adviser to PM koshutinca is ill informed about evertythig."

yes Ahmed, and you are the one who has the one and only true info.... =)

you are just a great entertainer, aren´t you?

if Albanians should resort to violence, it´s the Serbs against the UNMIK and NATO will have to fight?

overwhelmingly logic!

Those kinds of declarations are just political games, because in Kosovo are many security forces, such home and internationals. We have KPC, many of them are armed, and then we have thousands of Kosovo police service. They are very professional to protect all people of Kosovo. We do not need any army service that kills its population. If the Serbians consider the Kosovo as a Serbian territory, why then Serbian army in 1999 killed about 13 thousand Kosova Albanian. The Kosovars will agree to be under a state that loves democracy and peace, it would not be so important independence in that case, but we ask independence, because we can not achieve standing with a state that develops just occupation political, influence hate, cruelly and war. i.e if Kosova were part of U.K, or any other democratic states, then we will never ask for independence, we will ask integration in international and regional organization that works for world peacekeeping.
Serbia, do not take care about European integration, and this is the only and best way to be part of democratic world. That’s why we do not agree to be part of Serbia.
Regarding, turning Serbian army back in Kosovo. On June 9, 1999 the Serbian army signs a agreement with NATO. I suggest the interested people to read it in link below.

http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/a990609a.htm

Jovan I hate to tell you this but you are making your own self feel good with your dreams. On mean time I speak according to the real world and i am in touch with reality on daily bases in kosova. I bet you, you are not even close to the border with kosova and you don't have a clue what is going on. If you have any connection to your beloved govermant in belgrade , why don't you check my coments to se if is tru or false.

Could anybody knows what means Simic with the returning in Kosova? The army, police or paramilitars, bacause all of them are in payroll of Belgrade.
Anyhow, their life would be much more easy inside the Russian submarine at the North Pole than in Kosova.

# Kostunica definitely must replace his advisers... Or, even better, Serbia must replace its PM...
(Dane, 17. August 2007 16:31)

Comment of the day.

Also this is the only one that actually deals with the article above and not wishful thinking or ethnic bashing.

It is ludicrous to suggest that the KLA or its corrupt and amateur offspring, the KPS could do anything if the serbian army decided to roll back into Kosmet, other than run to the hills or hide behind women and children.

NATO was your airforce last time, but NATO will not be your airforce again, that is a certainty.

This nonsense about Serbians committing atrocities in Kosmet has been disproven time and time again by the UN, the Red Cross and even that ridiculous court in the Hague failed to find any evidence of systematic abuse.

Less than 3000 people died in Kosmet - on both sides. That is a fact so many of you choose to ignore.

It is the same tired and calumnous mantra that is chanted by the albanians to jutsify their illegal immigration and land grab.

How quickly the Albanians have forgotten that the KLA was a beaten mess before NATO got involved. I know, I was there on the ground. I saw the "might" of the KLA.

Peace and prosperity will only ever return to Kosmet with the Serbian army. We all know that, just as we all know that Kosmet will never be independant.

It is over. The only thing we await now is for the albanian extremists to start their pogroms again.

I'm surprised how amazingly naive you all are. This is how it will play out...

The 120 days will come and go, no type of independence will occur, the albanians will riot, and the UN and NATO will turn to the serb army to restore order.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Kosovo under Serbia?
NO THANKS!

JHam I do not pretend to know what NATO will do and I was just guessing. However it stands to reason that IF any Serb troops are allowed in they will be allowed in the north in preparation for partition. Granted that is a big if, and I personally believe that they will never be allowed in.
Obiliq: Would you agree to Albania or Kosovo sending Albanian troops to protect the Albanians of Presevo? I guess not. The same goes for us. But it is useless arguing because NATO will never allow that. NATO can protect Serb sites much better for the moment and shortly it will be the TMK or KPS doing that, but not Serb forces. Sending in Serb forces would ammount to a declaration of war and they would be 'welcomed' acordingly. And by the way what do you think the TMK has being doing all these years? Training of course and so has the other unofficial part of the KLA. Everybody knows that. And if you knew anything at all about military matters you would have known that a small force staying put in their positions are a very easy and inviting target and they could be picked one by one by snipers and all sorts of sneak attacks. In other words they would not stand a chance. But I guess your government and army already knows that and they would be willing to send in these poor sacrificial lambs simply to stir up trouble.

It is very obvious that this is not about protecting anyone or anything. This is an attempt to secure Serbia's control over the north. Belgrade thinks that once they have some soldiers on the ground they will the upper hand on negotiating the division line for partition. This is the same game that Serbia played in Bosnia with RS or Krajina, in much smaller scale. It is pitiful that Belgrade politicians don't know any better. Unfortunately (for them), this time they have to ask for permission to deploy their troops. I suspect that once the partition is agreed by the politicians a small serbian military special force will be allowed to take control of north part of Kosovo with KFOR cooperation. The claims that the serbian soldiers are needed for civilian protection or cultural object is completely baseless. There are more than enough KFOR troops there to do that job. This also a sign that the Serb negotiation team it's coming to its senses that Kosovo is mainly lost. I think the partition plan is laid down and it is waiting its implementation. As far as the partition affecting other areas of the Balkans, that is possible but at the current deadlock there isn't much to do.

seams some serbs are still dreaming of milosheviq area?
Ok ,just come!It is time we have a clear explication with you guys:your army will never be tolerated in kosova,and as for north mitrovica ,we stpped our march only for the sake of a future multiethnic state.

But this is just a new joke for internal purpose of the serbian authorities:they will not come to fight here so they can play with your lifes!
Do you really believe that we will welcome this army that killed so many of us, do you really believe that the kids of these killed will welcome you? No they just will see it as a change to have their parents murderers in front of them.and believe me,it is a much more powerful emotion than protecting boundaries of a medieval dushan...

This so called adviser to PM koshutinca is ill informed about evertythig. You guys don't have a clue how many UNMIK-P forces including Special Forces from different countris +KFOR forces tha are deployed in the northern Mitro area.IT It is being discussed at this time to move Romanian SPU up north as well from Peja, which are located near green market. Another Italian company will be deployed very soon from Italian Village(Italian camp)located right near Bjelopolje-Peja. Most of forces are concentrated on the northern Mitro area, so i welcome any attack from serbia proper if they have the guts.

I don't think that such move would be productive. And I don't see a purpose to it. It would damage negotiating process. In the end this should be solved at the negotiating table.

This adviser of Kostunica must be living in times of Milosevic.
The time that serb troops could go to Kosova will not come back anymore.
Its a done deal, Kosova is independent.
Its sad that Serbia is still being ruled by people who still live in the world of mythology.

Taras, I have seen the might of your serb army in Koshare when we took it from your army and ever since you never made it back. When Koshare was taken by its rightful owner the stones marking a border between Albania and Kosova was removed for ever.

+Serbia has tried the same thing several times ago, and they were told NO, 'cause it wouls be very provocative, and could spark a new confrontation.
They will be told NO AGAIN, no matter what all of us say on this blog.
There is no need for Serbian police or army to go to Kosovo unless they are invited by the Kosovar Leadership in accordance with KosovA Constitution.
1224 states that up to a 1000 personel could return to KosovA, but taking a fact the heightened situation I dont think that would be a good IDEA.
But after all Serbia is NOT about good ideas. They want to send thei young soldiers to provoke an incident for a wider conflict.

Kosova under Serbia or with Serbia!!!!
...There was war and Serbian forces paramilitaries and civilians performed ETHNIC CLENSING. AND, THAT, MY DEAR FORGETFUL FRIENDS CHANGES EVERYTHING. The rest is lame politics and nationalistic leaders not wanting to give up power. The question is for how long will serbian people allow this nonsense? How long it will take for a nation to realize that they have commited crimes against humanity and have lost-signed agreement and SUBMITED therefore setting a precedent in international relations that yes, any nation's evil actions will be stopped.

-Just one thing that I must say before I close this historical lesson. Serbian forces going back to Kosova!!!! This is a delirium of its own dimensions. Those soldiers or police aiming at going to Kosova would have to bear in mind that they will not be welcomed and will be treated as members of the same military and police who killed 15 000 people, burned 200 000 homes... If I were them, I would think twice before even dreaming such an action of going to Kosova.

A lot of fighting talk and bitter and twisted people (understandable). It won't get either side anywhere if anything it is playing into the hands of the Serbs.

Ahmed,

the rightful owners will come back, that´s for sure...

it´s only a question of time.

Ahmed and Afrim, let me remind of something. If the KLA was so strong why did it take NATO bombing to help you. Serb Forces left after a deal was signed in France. Before then the KLA was on the Run. Alot of those KLA wannabe were in Blace border camps. I specifically remember A KLA commander who was a former PM until the PDK stab him the back for political purpose. During a speech in pristina, he was jeered by PDK supporters and his comments were caught on tape, he told them be quite commanders of blace and curse there mothers. Yes the tape was translated and i do understand and do use them from time to time. So your claiming the KLA drove out the Serbian forces is a farce. With NATO Air power eventually KLA would have been pushed out of Kosovo. Now Gentlemen, when you keep speaking of driving out forces think of those who were part of the KLA and after the war those who fought were discarded. Do not say it is true because i know serveral of them. In closing, violence does not solve anything.

Taras "I'm surprised how amazingly naive you all are. This is how it will play out...

The 120 days will come and go, no type of independence will occur, the albanians will riot, and the UN and NATO will turn to the serb army to restore order. "

And everyone will live happily ever after. Right Taras?

You still believe in the fairy tales?

If Serbia sends troops to Kosovo and if UNMIK or NATO consents to it I guess they would be confined to Northern Kosovo and that would ammount to de facto partition and independence for the rest of Kosovo.
I do not think they will be allowed to go anywhere else because that would simply be to much of a provocation. I do not doubt that the Serb government might like to stir up trouble in Kosovo in order to improve its bargaining position, but I also don't think that NATO or UNMIK would stand for it. And in any case it would not be a very smart move to have small detachments of Serb police and army spread thin wherever there are Serb settlements becasue they would be little more than sitting ducks.

Neither ritual references to Resolution 1244 (perhaps the only one among dozens of Security Council resolutions passed during the 1990s that official Belgrade has decided is sacred, while ignoring all the others), nor other forms of rhetorical chest-pounding can hide the fact that Kosovo is lost to Serbia -- and has been for more than 8 years now. It was foolishly and criminally gambled away by those in charge of the state and of its police and armed forces in the 1990s. Serbia went to war and lost. Kumanovo was a surrender. Trying to roll back history at this stage is useless. Serbia's army and police are not about to return to Kosovo, not now and not at any time in the foreseeable future. Kostunica and others may engage in political theatre in trying to pretend otherwise, but saying so does not make it so.

I think it would be very hard to find 1000 such brave man, becouse your people know that it is 1999 anymore.

This is just a provocation that a three year old child could see for what it is.

If serbs are in danger as Koshtunica & Co claim and 16 000 well equiped NATO troops cannot protect them, then what is an extra 1000 serbian troops going to do?

If anything that will only put K serbs in more danger.

The statements that we have seen from the Serb officials in the last few days shows their true colours, that they are only interested in causing trouble in Kosovo, and that they do not care about K.Serbs.

And by the way,as an albanian, I hope that these childish attacks on NATO, USA, and these calls for serbian troops to return to Kosovo, continue..

I just wish our albanian leaders were promoting independence as good as the serbian leaders!

Keep going Koshtunica, do your thing!

"NATO has no intention of forming a state in Kosovo since it is here in a peacekeeping mission," Brigadier General Douglas Earhart told a news conference in the east Kosovo town of Gnjilane.

That being the case, there is no reason for Resolution 1244 not to be fully implemented, including the return of Serbian forces to its southern province.

Kosovo under Serbia?
NO THANKS!

Hey Lazar,
Why don't YOU come to Kosovo and try to KILL just a single Albanian, let alone on massive number. Shame on you!!

Jovan - I can't agree. There is a possibility that Kosova is not going to become independent. Many people know this.

+Serbia has tried the same thing several times ago, and they were told NO, 'cause it wouls be very provocative, and could spark a new confrontation.
They will be told NO AGAIN, no matter what all of us say on this blog.
There is no need for Serbian police or army to go to Kosovo unless they are invited by the Kosovar Leadership in accordance with KosovA Constitution.
1224 states that up to a 1000 personel could return to KosovA, but taking a fact the heightened situation I dont think that would be a good IDEA.
But after all Serbia is NOT about good ideas. They want to send thei young soldiers to provoke an incident for a wider conflict.

Yes, yes... we need troops all over Kosovo... So that means we do not need to go to just the northern sector... we need to go elsewhere too... to Gracanica, Kamenica, Strpce, and other enclaves. Only that way will our population feel safe and be able to kill albanians in self defense on a massive number if they try to force them out of their homes like they did in 2004 or in the immediate aftermath of the war in 1999. The West is everyone's enemy... most of the hardship that the albanians faced in 1999 came after the bombing as a logical consequence of the bombing.

Kostunica definitely must replace his advisers... Or, even better, Serbia must replace its PM...

JHam I do not pretend to know what NATO will do and I was just guessing. However it stands to reason that IF any Serb troops are allowed in they will be allowed in the north in preparation for partition. Granted that is a big if, and I personally believe that they will never be allowed in.
Obiliq: Would you agree to Albania or Kosovo sending Albanian troops to protect the Albanians of Presevo? I guess not. The same goes for us. But it is useless arguing because NATO will never allow that. NATO can protect Serb sites much better for the moment and shortly it will be the TMK or KPS doing that, but not Serb forces. Sending in Serb forces would ammount to a declaration of war and they would be 'welcomed' acordingly. And by the way what do you think the TMK has being doing all these years? Training of course and so has the other unofficial part of the KLA. Everybody knows that. And if you knew anything at all about military matters you would have known that a small force staying put in their positions are a very easy and inviting target and they could be picked one by one by snipers and all sorts of sneak attacks. In other words they would not stand a chance. But I guess your government and army already knows that and they would be willing to send in these poor sacrificial lambs simply to stir up trouble.

Guys Lazar, Cvele, Rade, JHam cool down. This is just another desperate statement from the failed Serbian politicians. I don’t think that any of that has a slightest of chances to happen.

Message for KATE 1244:
See what Jovan thinks that the Serbian forces should be deployed to do, kill Albanians “in self defence”. This is how it all started during the Milosevic regime. People like Lazar brought Milosevic to power.


Serbian police cannot come back to Kosova no matter what resolution you mention because they are not wanted, simple.

Serbian police have no one to protect in here. Serbs are protected by Serbian KPS police officers, NATO and UNMIK forces. Churches that many of mention so much are not protected since there is no need for such protection, no one attacks them.
Ahtisari package has given plenty of protection to Serbs in Kosova.

Lazar: I wonder what the others in the Serb camp will make of your comment. You seem a quite bloodthirsty sort of a guy. Is that what Serbia did during the war too, kill Albanians in self defence in massive numbers? And I guess they raped and killed in Bosnia in self defence too right? And then you have the courage to talk of a democratic and tolerant Serbia? If you are in any way representative of the mentality that reigns in Serbia I pitty the Hungarians and Romas and Muslims in your country and I thank God that Kosovo is free.

There is something that I would like to add in reference to these statements by the Kostunica advisor.

In 1999, one of the reasons why the KLA agreed to disband and disarm (give up weapons larger than a hunting rifle) was the KFOR guarantee that there will be no return of Serb police and army in Kosovo.

The moment there is an “official” entry of Serbian army and police in Kosovo, the KLA will re-group and re-arm itself. I am saying “official” since presently there are Serb security forces that enter and roam Kosovo freely on daily basis.

Anyway, all those weapons have been stored (not destroyed); that was a part of the agreement. This is not something that I am making up as I have no reason to do so.

Kostunica knows this very well. What he is hoping for is unrest in Kosovo. He will ask for the return of Serb security forces (knowing that it will not happen), hoping that the former KLA members will react by re-grouping, re-arming and possibly provoking violence against Kosovo Serbs.

That would definitely derail the process of Kosovo’s movement towards self-determination. Very creative indeed – one more time, he shows that he doesn’t really care about Serbs in Kosovo (just like his predecessor).

It is an episode of rhetorical chest-pounding aimed at the Serbian public, but also an episode of provocations aimed at Kosovo’s population.

(Leon Kojen - “Serbia must choose Kosovo over EU”, Stanimir Vukićević - Serbia will not trade Kosovo for EU, Branislav Ristivojević - "Ni pedalj Srbije zarad EU" etc etc.)

rony, the un also had a paper with All serb forces to be out of the country.
With out Russian support Serbians would of never reached Kosovo.
And one thing you are right about that the communist ages still exist in Serbia up to this day!
Take it easy
Free Tibet by demonstrating with Kosovos independence!

As for the Serbians that want to live side by side, i solute you to a new beginning.

Ron,

The opressed man does not really care whether he loses or wins in a battle.

We didnt ask NATO whether to fight the Serbs, NATO intervened because they realized that the Serbs must be "convinced" to stop murdering people in the Ballkans to protect their 100 "Hearts of Serbia".

seams some serbs are still dreaming of milosheviq area?
Ok ,just come!It is time we have a clear explication with you guys:your army will never be tolerated in kosova,and as for north mitrovica ,we stpped our march only for the sake of a future multiethnic state.

But this is just a new joke for internal purpose of the serbian authorities:they will not come to fight here so they can play with your lifes!
Do you really believe that we will welcome this army that killed so many of us, do you really believe that the kids of these killed will welcome you? No they just will see it as a change to have their parents murderers in front of them.and believe me,it is a much more powerful emotion than protecting boundaries of a medieval dushan...

Those kinds of declarations are just political games, because in Kosovo are many security forces, such home and internationals. We have KPC, many of them are armed, and then we have thousands of Kosovo police service. They are very professional to protect all people of Kosovo. We do not need any army service that kills its population. If the Serbians consider the Kosovo as a Serbian territory, why then Serbian army in 1999 killed about 13 thousand Kosova Albanian. The Kosovars will agree to be under a state that loves democracy and peace, it would not be so important independence in that case, but we ask independence, because we can not achieve standing with a state that develops just occupation political, influence hate, cruelly and war. i.e if Kosova were part of U.K, or any other democratic states, then we will never ask for independence, we will ask integration in international and regional organization that works for world peacekeeping.
Serbia, do not take care about European integration, and this is the only and best way to be part of democratic world. That’s why we do not agree to be part of Serbia.
Regarding, turning Serbian army back in Kosovo. On June 9, 1999 the Serbian army signs a agreement with NATO. I suggest the interested people to read it in link below.

http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/a990609a.htm

This adviser of Kostunica must be living in times of Milosevic.
The time that serb troops could go to Kosova will not come back anymore.
Its a done deal, Kosova is independent.
Its sad that Serbia is still being ruled by people who still live in the world of mythology.

I was always surprised that this wasn't brought up before now. It was always part of the agreement that a certain number of troops and police would be allowed back alongside the international troops.

I just get an increased feeling that this is all a game of chess being played out by the EU, US and Russia. There's clearly a lot going on behind the scenes and maybe this is part of it.

Teni, Serbian troops protecting Serbian people and our historic sites is hardly a "provocation"..it is a necessity. Attacks on those protecting our sites would be a death sentence for the Albanian independence movement. It would only goto show what is an almost prven fact; that albanians do not want any Serbians in Kosovo. And i beleive that serbian troops will have no problem putting down any attacks by a poorly trained kla army.

It is very obvious that this is not about protecting anyone or anything. This is an attempt to secure Serbia's control over the north. Belgrade thinks that once they have some soldiers on the ground they will the upper hand on negotiating the division line for partition. This is the same game that Serbia played in Bosnia with RS or Krajina, in much smaller scale. It is pitiful that Belgrade politicians don't know any better. Unfortunately (for them), this time they have to ask for permission to deploy their troops. I suspect that once the partition is agreed by the politicians a small serbian military special force will be allowed to take control of north part of Kosovo with KFOR cooperation. The claims that the serbian soldiers are needed for civilian protection or cultural object is completely baseless. There are more than enough KFOR troops there to do that job. This also a sign that the Serb negotiation team it's coming to its senses that Kosovo is mainly lost. I think the partition plan is laid down and it is waiting its implementation. As far as the partition affecting other areas of the Balkans, that is possible but at the current deadlock there isn't much to do.

To b92,
I have not been in my offcie all day long becasue I was with the delegation from Montengro reagrding the new International border crossing to open soon in Qakor+ to bild the new facility at right spot at Kullina pass. I just got back and notice post #9 someone has used my name.
Getting back to the article; Koshutinca's adviser is a losy adviser if he think he can bring back serbian police and soldiers he must have had a bad dream and/or he maybe thought is Aprils fools day. Has any serbian poster on his site checked with serb officials about todays visit in Kosova,or belgrade has gone in deep sleep. This is a slap in the face from your Montengrian brothers and sisters for not sking you to open a new border crossing.Ops I forgat Kosova has nothing to do with serbia as well as Montenegro is an Independent contry and is no longer under the same roof with their serb brothers.

This is pure political theater. It makes me laugh. They sound as the last whispers of a dying monster.

This so called adviser to PM koshutinca is ill informed about evertythig. You guys don't have a clue how many UNMIK-P forces including Special Forces from different countris +KFOR forces tha are deployed in the northern Mitro area.IT It is being discussed at this time to move Romanian SPU up north as well from Peja, which are located near green market. Another Italian company will be deployed very soon from Italian Village(Italian camp)located right near Bjelopolje-Peja. Most of forces are concentrated on the northern Mitro area, so i welcome any attack from serbia proper if they have the guts.

Jovan I hate to tell you this but you are making your own self feel good with your dreams. On mean time I speak according to the real world and i am in touch with reality on daily bases in kosova. I bet you, you are not even close to the border with kosova and you don't have a clue what is going on. If you have any connection to your beloved govermant in belgrade , why don't you check my coments to se if is tru or false.

Could anybody knows what means Simic with the returning in Kosova? The army, police or paramilitars, bacause all of them are in payroll of Belgrade.
Anyhow, their life would be much more easy inside the Russian submarine at the North Pole than in Kosova.

Kosova under Serbia or with Serbia!!!!
...There was war and Serbian forces paramilitaries and civilians performed ETHNIC CLENSING. AND, THAT, MY DEAR FORGETFUL FRIENDS CHANGES EVERYTHING. The rest is lame politics and nationalistic leaders not wanting to give up power. The question is for how long will serbian people allow this nonsense? How long it will take for a nation to realize that they have commited crimes against humanity and have lost-signed agreement and SUBMITED therefore setting a precedent in international relations that yes, any nation's evil actions will be stopped.

-Just one thing that I must say before I close this historical lesson. Serbian forces going back to Kosova!!!! This is a delirium of its own dimensions. Those soldiers or police aiming at going to Kosova would have to bear in mind that they will not be welcomed and will be treated as members of the same military and police who killed 15 000 people, burned 200 000 homes... If I were them, I would think twice before even dreaming such an action of going to Kosova.

Taras, I have seen the might of your serb army in Koshare when we took it from your army and ever since you never made it back. When Koshare was taken by its rightful owner the stones marking a border between Albania and Kosova was removed for ever.

Teni, i suggest you just stand by and see what happens. During the uprising in the Presevo Valley, NATO abolish the 5 mile buffer zone to prevent rebels from attacking and then running back to the buffer zone. You never know what NATO will to move alone the talks. If they allow Forces back into Northern Kosovo then all will start to talk again or Risk losing North of the Ibar. Just a thought.

Jovan
-If Serbia lost why did Kosovo remain a part of it? Its you that lost and are lossing the new battle of politics as well. But tell yourself whatever you want. All that matters is that WEST and EAST... as well as NORTH AND SOUTH all still KNOW that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia and US giving it independence without consent of the UN is the worst possible scenario for everyone thats pro independence.
Albano
-We will have no problem finding 100x that ammount of troops if we need to.

Nikshala - it's not about numbers. If I were a Serb in Kosovo who felt in danger I would rather have one soldier who I could rely on than 20 who were unable to do anything. Eg. the last time there were riots.

Serbia has only suffered as a result of NATO. This organisation is now instrumental in the dismemberment of Kosovo from Serbia. What possible advantage is there for Serbia joining NATO ? Serbia should steer well clear of this distructive organisation, it has nothing to offer. I do not understand how Serbia can even contemplate joining NATO !

Well, I think this should be allowed. Wasn't this in the UN Resolution?

And to all Albanians here, where would you be without NATO intervention.

It is very easy to act as an winner if someone else helped you winning the battel for you.

Come on guys, you know the intervetion gave you only AUTONOMY. Well, that is more than the people of Tibet have.

Teni.... first of all, judging from the recent events in Presevo, its obvious that albanians need protection from themselves...sending in more albanians would just add to the problem. Secondly, since Kosovo is STILL a part of SRBIJA, it is within INTERNATIONAL LAW that Serbian troops can enter any portion of their country. Kosovo is Srbija. Also, Any troops from a foreign nation entering Srbija against its will is called an invasion, and its not going to happen, EVER...And please dont come back with a reply of how Kosovo is seperate country already because in reality and on every map, its within Serbian borders, as it should be.

I can't believe who's who. Is Jovan Ahmet and vice versa. Gentlemen, which side of the table are you sitting on. Jovan, you support the Serbs one day and discredit them the next. If I may, what nationality are you?
(Paul, 17. August 2007 17:01)

don´t worry Paul, or Cvele...

that comment allegedly written by "Jovan" is certainly not written by me, it´s either a funny Albanian who doesn´t know how to provoke you after all that quite boring kosovaaah-nonsense, or it is just a joke...but it´s definitely not me.

by the way, it doesn´t matter at all what nationality I am of, it´s the arguments that count.
and in regard of that Serbia is on the right side.

ps: if that other "Jovan" should go on with that..., you will know which view I hold in regard to the Kosovo-issue, so it shouldn´t be difficult to differentiate us.

Paul, I am with you on that! Looks like something funky is going on here with Ahmet, Jovan, and Lazer talking about killing. I think the Albanians are up to their old tricks, getting a little desperate aren’t you? So NATO is “denying” again, who would have thought? No valid arguments, just denying and saying “we are peacekeepers”. If NATO is not trying to create a military puppet state then prove it and let Serbian police/army in. After all it is Serbia and NATO is not trying to occupy Serbian land right?

# Kostunica definitely must replace his advisers... Or, even better, Serbia must replace its PM...
(Dane, 17. August 2007 16:31)

Comment of the day.

Also this is the only one that actually deals with the article above and not wishful thinking or ethnic bashing.

We are there to help Serbians and Albanians from extremists, and we have a right to defend and protect our people and our land according to our sovereighnty and to the 1999 resolution.

I don't think that such move would be productive. And I don't see a purpose to it. It would damage negotiating process. In the end this should be solved at the negotiating table.

It is ludicrous to suggest that the KLA or its corrupt and amateur offspring, the KPS could do anything if the serbian army decided to roll back into Kosmet, other than run to the hills or hide behind women and children.

NATO was your airforce last time, but NATO will not be your airforce again, that is a certainty.

This nonsense about Serbians committing atrocities in Kosmet has been disproven time and time again by the UN, the Red Cross and even that ridiculous court in the Hague failed to find any evidence of systematic abuse.

Less than 3000 people died in Kosmet - on both sides. That is a fact so many of you choose to ignore.

It is the same tired and calumnous mantra that is chanted by the albanians to jutsify their illegal immigration and land grab.

How quickly the Albanians have forgotten that the KLA was a beaten mess before NATO got involved. I know, I was there on the ground. I saw the "might" of the KLA.

Peace and prosperity will only ever return to Kosmet with the Serbian army. We all know that, just as we all know that Kosmet will never be independant.

It is over. The only thing we await now is for the albanian extremists to start their pogroms again.

I'm surprised how amazingly naive you all are. This is how it will play out...

The 120 days will come and go, no type of independence will occur, the albanians will riot, and the UN and NATO will turn to the serb army to restore order.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

I can't believe who's who. Is Jovan Ahmet and vice versa. Gentlemen, which side of the table are you sitting on. Jovan, you support the Serbs one day and discredit them the next. If I may, what nationality are you?

"This so called adviser to PM koshutinca is ill informed about evertythig."

yes Ahmed, and you are the one who has the one and only true info.... =)

you are just a great entertainer, aren´t you?

if Albanians should resort to violence, it´s the Serbs against the UNMIK and NATO will have to fight?

overwhelmingly logic!

no Ahmed...I don´t think so...

the mere fact, that the socalled troika doesn´t rule out partition is an indication that perhaps the albanian side has offered partition..since they see that within the UNSC there is no way of getting what they so desperately wish...
and on the other side maybe they even realize that they wouldn´t have much of a chance to withstand agains the serbian armed forces, in case it came to an armed conflict again...what could happen in case of an unilateral declaration.

so, I would say that you do not see reality.
for Serbia there is absolutely no reason to give in in such a mean trick, since they have international law on their side and a significant number of states within the UNSC is against it, why should Serbia divide it´s own territory? just tell us!

it looks as this test balloon can only be coming from the albanian side!

of course, I am only dreaming...just like I was dreaming when I told you that the Russians would not back down before "the one and only global superpower" :)

to be honest, I don´t even hate to say it, I am quite amused to tell you that you should try to read between the lines...instead of fooling yourself!

To my fellow Serbian audience, some albanian or pro-albanian ignoramous is posting under my name, or, there's another Paul on the board. Nevertheless, anything pro-albanian does not stem from me. I believe what Kostunica and his advisors are doing marvelous work, they are hitting hard with respect to Nato's intentions, and I commend them for it. They are not submissive and compliant anymore, and that's great. They are finaly standing up to the US, however, I don't believe we are united as a government. DSS is in a coalation with the DS, and yet you don't hear any DS minister supporting the DSS on this issue. I don't believe Tadic has his heart behind this, and if his party would've been in a majority, Kosovo would be long gone. The Serbian politicians have erred in the past when they split up Serbia into provinces, hence, the present situation. All the parties should take a united stance because the country's sovereignty and integrity are at stake. Let's not repeat our previous mistakes, haven't we learnt from past.

Ahmet - thank you for telling us where you were all day as we waited patiently for your taunting posts of malarchy. By the way, it didn't take you too long to catch up. You're right on queue.

Ahmet,you completely discredited yourself with "mark my words" episode.Don't you get that?Nobody is taking seriously anything you say anymore!

Teni, My Government and Army is current the Majority of the NATO Forces in Kosovo. NATO is already deployed in Northern Kosovo and if it took US Forces to deploy in the North to ensure there are no dummys trying to do sneak attacks then it will probably happen. If you want US and Russian Forces to protect Serb enclaves then if that would seal the deal then it would happen. So for those who are thinking to try to cause trouble to drive out people who are not wanted in Kosovo refer to Kosovopress website. NATO will not tolerate violence in Kosovo. I hope everyone will understand this.

A lot of fighting talk and bitter and twisted people (understandable). It won't get either side anywhere if anything it is playing into the hands of the Serbs.

Ahmed,

the rightful owners will come back, that´s for sure...

it´s only a question of time.

Ahmed and Afrim, let me remind of something. If the KLA was so strong why did it take NATO bombing to help you. Serb Forces left after a deal was signed in France. Before then the KLA was on the Run. Alot of those KLA wannabe were in Blace border camps. I specifically remember A KLA commander who was a former PM until the PDK stab him the back for political purpose. During a speech in pristina, he was jeered by PDK supporters and his comments were caught on tape, he told them be quite commanders of blace and curse there mothers. Yes the tape was translated and i do understand and do use them from time to time. So your claiming the KLA drove out the Serbian forces is a farce. With NATO Air power eventually KLA would have been pushed out of Kosovo. Now Gentlemen, when you keep speaking of driving out forces think of those who were part of the KLA and after the war those who fought were discarded. Do not say it is true because i know serveral of them. In closing, violence does not solve anything.

Taras "I'm surprised how amazingly naive you all are. This is how it will play out...

The 120 days will come and go, no type of independence will occur, the albanians will riot, and the UN and NATO will turn to the serb army to restore order. "

And everyone will live happily ever after. Right Taras?

You still believe in the fairy tales?