Priština to seek independence guarantees

With those demands, it might as well be 120 seconds instead of 120 days as nothing will be debated. it's obvious that taking such a hard line stance is on the direct orders of the US. Again, they know negotiations will come to nothing and therefore no official recognition for Kosovo. Why do they want a legal limbo?

Careful what you wish for, Agim.

The EU has repeatedly stated that it will not recognise Kosovo independence without UN approval.

Russia has repeatedly said it will veto any proposal not agreed to by Serbia.

If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear.

No independence.

WAY TO GO.
Its clear that Independence is not negotiable, and niether is the border of Kosovo.
Koshtunica, Tadic, Jeremic have to explain to their people why the stalling tactics will not work, sooner or later.
USA, which gives most of the UN budget is spending billions of dollars with their European allies in Kosovo, while Russia has pulled out a long time ago, avoiding responsibility.
Russia can NOT have it both ways. They want authority but no responsibility. It just does not work that way.
American President, on the issue of Kosovo has a 100% backing of US CONGRESS.
That means something very viable and Serbia together with Russia know that very well.

USA wants Kosovo to be INDEPENDENT and that is a BOTTOM LINE.

MOVE FORWARD SERBIA, LET KOSOVO GO!!!

**PEACE**

These soundbytes from both sides are getting repetitive and redundant. Ceku is in no position to bargain over something he doesn't control, and that is northern Kosovo. If territorial integrity is so important to him (barring the fact that the overall territorial integrity of Serbia is being overlooked), then he is going to have to accept a major headache of incorporating a large chunk of northern territory that will never bow to his government, nor will it accept its authority. Despite what I've been saying about a confederated Kosovo, I feel more realistically the north will simply break away and the international powers, in order to appease Belgrade, will let it happen, regardless of what Ceku or the rest of his government thinks. Is Serbia has to accept the loss of Kosovo, Pristina needs to accept that independence will still severely tie its hands in most political and economic matters. Bottom line, one cannot make demands over issues one is in no position to bargain over. That's Diplomacy 101.

Lazer,

hold your horses Serbia agrees that International Territory is not to be partitioned as reaffirmed in resolution 1244 which other document does Ceku count upon for this other then 1244?

Lets assume you declared outside of the UN and the US did the smae Illegal act. On what basis could Ceku or for that matter NATO enforce the territory of this illegal entity? What document states the boundaries? Could it be the same document that re-affirms Serbia's territorial sovereignity? Now I have all along stated I do not counternace partition of the Serbian state be it 15%, 5% or 1% but I do know when the jaw-jaw stops what will follow and that is why I do not wish partition what so ever but if the US is demented enough and you are happy for such scenario's then be very aware of what you are wishing upon yourself and all of the people who deserve economic development not destruction!

Careful what you wish for, Agim.

The EU has repeatedly stated that it will not recognise Kosovo independence without UN approval.

Russia has repeatedly said it will veto any proposal not agreed to by Serbia.

If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear.

No independence.
(Rade, 10. August 2007 17:09)

100% agree. Ceku thinks he has authority. When actually he doesnt have a single tank under his command. So no matter what he says the rest of the world can turn a deaf ear and ignor him. Convince the US its in their interest not to do this and they will accept autonomy

I can see that Pristina is asking for the sky while the contact group is telling them to walk on the ground. Lazer Russia is not avoiding responsibility since Russia is standing behind international law. Yes, US is spending billions to implement their strategic objectives while ignoring the human dimension. Peace and Future Research from Sweden write that “under NATO “supervision the reverse ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians, some 200.000 who are still in Serbia and Macedonia, including the always ignored Romas. They were not helped to get back as were the Albanians fleeing the 13-month of war in Kosovo and the NATO's bombs (the war and the bombing were much more important as causes for fleeing than was the manufactured nonsense about Milosevic already implementing a certain "Horseshoe Plan" aiming to get rid of no less than all 1,5 million Albanians living in Kosovo).” I see that Lazer ended his post again by yelling.

"Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling."

They heroically stayed.

Spot on Cvele.

Johny:

“Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling.”

There is strong evidence that the KLA deliberately expelled the Kosovo Albanian population to instigate a ‘humanitarian disaster’.

The whole of Serbia was being bombed, not only Kosovo and Metohija but the Serbs heroically stayed.

Tirons, some responses.

The outcome is very clear. If, after 120 days of negotiations Serbia does not accept independence, Kosova will proclaim it itself.

The stated position of the EU is that they will not recognise a unilateral declaration of independence.
The US has warned Ceku not to unilaterally declare independence and he has agreed.
The stated position of Russia is that they will veto in the UN, any proposal not agreed to by both sides.

What will you do about it?

Me personally? Pass.

What can Serbia do about it? Nothing! Either accept it and look towards the future, or keep being miserable and backwards.

You answered the question but your answer is wrong. Serbia will use diplomacy to ensure the effect of a unilateral declaration of independence is minimised and reversed.

And, by the way, neither I nor my fellow Serbs are miserable or backwards.

Rade says:
"If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear."

Yes Rade, the outcome is very clear. If, after 120 days of negotiations Serbia does not accept independence, Kosova will proclaim it itself. What will you do about it? What can Serbia do about it? Nothing! Either accept it and look towards the future, or keep being miserable and backwards.

Ceku's demands will reduce him to being uncooperative thus giving the EU and UNSC all the reason they need to abandon him and Kosovo once and for all. The Americans will never support unilateral independence alone, not because Bush doesn't want to, because I am certain he does want to, but you have to remember Bush has to answer to Congress and they will have nothing to do with it! They cannot even pass simple health care bills or enhanced education bills through Congress with agreement much less some thing like Kosovo which will ultimately result in conflict which will involve American troops. The Americans had their Vietnam in the 60's and 70's and Iraq now, they won't be involved another major conflict for at least 15 to 20 years, they cannot afford it and their people will not tolerate it! And the KLA cannot fight the Serbs and Russians alone, it would be suicide.

Adriano
"Once the storm is over the current Serb politicians would leave and new ones will come to the rescue. I hope they have some nice propaganda to take away some heat as I have seen today from here.
Enjoy people, INDEPENDENCE WILL BE TRUE!"

You better pray that these politicans do not leave. You wont like who they might be replaced with.

People if the talks fail once again, lets say the serbs dont accapt the independence, Kosovo will declare its own independence. As for the EU, It will be far easyer to work out a way with KOSOVO than To be in this ever lasting Tango of No this and no that with Serbia. We are the ones fully cooperating with the west. Serbia is throwing its soul towards Russian and Threatening that they don't want the EU.
Once the storm is over the current Serb politicians would leave and new ones will come to the rescue. I hope they have some nice propaganda to take away some heat as I have seen today from here.
Enjoy people, INDEPENDENCE WILL BE TRUE!

Adriano finally you are putting in capital letters KOSOVO and not Kosova. I gues your mind knows the truth and reality no matter how loud you are.

Rade, kume
NOT ONLY did they stay but they went back to work after a days, maybe a week tops.

"(the war and the bombing were much more important as causes for fleeing than was the manufactured nonsense about Milosevic already implementing a certain "Horseshoe Plan" aiming to get rid of no less than all 1,5 million Albanians living in Kosovo)."

Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling.

I wonder that the Albanians ask for guaranties....

who are they asking?

the "one and only global super-power"? =)

even if it is disappointing news for some albanian simpletons, the alleged global superpower is so powerful that some mere insinuations from China let the US experience some cold sweat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml

and

http://www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Bpress/2007press/prb072607a.pdf

it can turn out to be quite ugly if you rely solely on "global superpowers".

To Tirons:

You mentioned that, "what can Serbia do about it," in the event of a unilateral declaration of independence.
What planet do you come from?
Serbia has upped the antie by stating that it'll consider all the necessary measures to counter such action. Do you believe that Serbia will roll over and play dead? Don't you believe that there are behind the scenes discussions with the Russians. Do you believe that they (Russins)will let this set a precedent for Chechnya? Keep on dreaming!!!!

No Cleve (even though I can sense this was a tongue in cheek comment) and Johny they fled as well to Serbia, Macedonia and Albania and Montenegro as did many Albanians before and during the bombing. Many sent their children and women first to stay with friends and relatives like the family that now lives in my town. The husband stayed behind to make sure his property was not vandalized and when NATO started bombing he left as well. Why do you think there are 3 million Iraqi refugees outside of Iraq or Palestinian refugees in Jordan and Lebanon or thousands in refugee camps in Darfur?
When Lebanon went crazy recently Canada had to evacuate over 30 thousand of her citizens who were fleeing the war zone As a child of 3 I remember like it was today living in the bush some distance away from our farm home as the German Stukas attacked the town some three kilometers away. Even my peasant mother knew if we stayed in the house it could be the end of us. This is not rocket science Johny as they say in England “It is elementary my dear Watson.”

its quite entertaining to see people like Cvele and Rade, who seriously believe that 1 million albanians were fleeing from NATO bombs, but every single serb in Serbia and Kosovo heroically stayed with their chest towards the sky waiting for a 1000 lb bomb to fall on them!!!!!

Its kinda worrisom that there are still people who think like that in 21st century.

Remember what Sec of State Rice advised the Pristina Group when they came to Washington was to not declare independence and work together to solve this issue. Do you all think that PM Ceku will do this anyway no i don't think so because he will lose the backing of the US and most of the EU members. Now after a 120 days let see what happens i think some of us have been either drinking too many pejas or laskos beers because the thought process has gone way off the scale.

Watler, adriano

(1) to protect the population of the state; (2) to promote the economic, social and cultural welfare of that population; and
(3) to represent the interest of that population externally, that is, internationally.

1 Serbia protected the population from external and internal threats

2 Serbia paid taxes for Kosovo improvments during past 100 years. Builsing schools, hospitals, municipal buildings, AND dont forget the railways, roads, etc.

3. Serbia has represented the will of the majority of its citizens externally allways... unlike US... or Britain for example.

As for the comment about the politicians it stands. Do not for a second assume that NATO would again bomb Serbia. There is no one crazy enough to suggest such a thing. We refuse to let 15% of our territory be taken away so they will attack us? They would fall apart... NATO and the EU. As long as 1244 stands all Serbs have to do is wait for the albans to break it and thats it.

That almost sounded like a threat Cvele. I just daid it for the better, but hey they are your politicians. In Kosovo we still have ours. anyway, its the independence part i like here:
States exist for the sole purpose of fulfilling three fundamental tasks:
(1) to protect the population of the state; (2) to promote the economic, social and cultural welfare of that population; and
(3) to represent the interest of that population externally, that is, internationally.
Where a state or a government does not fulfil these functions over a
period of time, but instead represses or even kills the people it is supposed to protect; destroys their culture, economically exploits them; or represents other interests other then those of the people, then that
state or government lacks legitimacy in respect to the whole population,
or to that section of population which it oppresses.

I hope it is clear and simple that according to real INT LAW we are 3 up on Serbia!
I am sure we will be able to drink a shot of rakia one day in Prishtina. Just bring your pasport ;)

violette,
Whatever makes you happy girl, there are a million ways you can call it, you only talking about a name. A rabbit is called a rabbit in 342 know ways around the world but it still has a fluffy skin big ears a tail and 4 legs!
Anyway 92% K-Albanian 5% Serb and the rest actually likes independence too.

Walter,
I did yell since you are not hearing me.

Cvele, "kume",
If Serbia chooses leaders to replace existing one, that are worst then Milosevich, then I dare you stay when the new bombing begins!!!

*PEACE*

NO!

Sure Cvele. but you forget something else: 1) Serbia also, took Gold and Silver from TRepca for those years.
2) Serbia killed thousands of self inhabitants (albanians), too.
3) Serbia fired more than 250 000 workers (albanians) only for one day strike 3rd september 1990.
4) Serbia has milions of EUROs from Albanian savings in ex YUGOBANK and other BANKs. Pensions, too and much more.
And if your politics says that Serbia will not pay anymore Kosovo's depts, be sure that accepting the Kosovo's new State is best Solution for Serbia, ans especially for Serbs in Kosovo, first.

Of course, Mr. Ceku is not there to negotiate Kosova's indpendence, as he, as no one else is authorised to negotiate that! The only thing that is to be negotiated is further, I would say wide, rights to serb minority and their stronger ties with BG, so they could feel safe in inependent Kosova.

If its too long of a read, then the Post Yugoslavia should be a nice summary for you.

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/kosovohistory.html

Cvele

Priminster Ceku; is only retreating what 95% of the Kosova population want, and as suggested by the Troika President Ahtisari plan is still on the table the only reason the further talks are taking place is to try to seek an agreement on a possibility to annex Kosova this will not happen clearly as the Kosovars will not agree to more of our land being taken by the Slavs. We will not agree thus no agreement, if the decision is taken back to the UN and that grant the Kosovars with a positive outcome we will see Kosova and Priminster Ceku declaring Independence in the Kosovar Parliament. Where does that leave the serbs living in Kosova ask your selves. It’s easy to make radical comments but the in the end you will not be losing out. Serbia will never again govern our lands, and the sooner Tadic and Kostunica realise that and start to look at real economical issues rather than blind their people with Kosova, the better for the entire region.

LET’S MOVE ON TOGETHER. AS 2 FREINDLY COUNTRIES. THE SOONER WE ENTER THE EU THE BETTER THEIR WILL NO BOARDERS.

WAY TO GO.
Its clear that Independence is not negotiable, and niether is the border of Kosovo.
Koshtunica, Tadic, Jeremic have to explain to their people why the stalling tactics will not work, sooner or later.
USA, which gives most of the UN budget is spending billions of dollars with their European allies in Kosovo, while Russia has pulled out a long time ago, avoiding responsibility.
Russia can NOT have it both ways. They want authority but no responsibility. It just does not work that way.
American President, on the issue of Kosovo has a 100% backing of US CONGRESS.
That means something very viable and Serbia together with Russia know that very well.

USA wants Kosovo to be INDEPENDENT and that is a BOTTOM LINE.

MOVE FORWARD SERBIA, LET KOSOVO GO!!!

**PEACE**

Rade says:
"If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear."

Yes Rade, the outcome is very clear. If, after 120 days of negotiations Serbia does not accept independence, Kosova will proclaim it itself. What will you do about it? What can Serbia do about it? Nothing! Either accept it and look towards the future, or keep being miserable and backwards.

People if the talks fail once again, lets say the serbs dont accapt the independence, Kosovo will declare its own independence. As for the EU, It will be far easyer to work out a way with KOSOVO than To be in this ever lasting Tango of No this and no that with Serbia. We are the ones fully cooperating with the west. Serbia is throwing its soul towards Russian and Threatening that they don't want the EU.
Once the storm is over the current Serb politicians would leave and new ones will come to the rescue. I hope they have some nice propaganda to take away some heat as I have seen today from here.
Enjoy people, INDEPENDENCE WILL BE TRUE!

Careful what you wish for, Agim.

The EU has repeatedly stated that it will not recognise Kosovo independence without UN approval.

Russia has repeatedly said it will veto any proposal not agreed to by Serbia.

If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear.

No independence.

Lazer,

hold your horses Serbia agrees that International Territory is not to be partitioned as reaffirmed in resolution 1244 which other document does Ceku count upon for this other then 1244?

Lets assume you declared outside of the UN and the US did the smae Illegal act. On what basis could Ceku or for that matter NATO enforce the territory of this illegal entity? What document states the boundaries? Could it be the same document that re-affirms Serbia's territorial sovereignity? Now I have all along stated I do not counternace partition of the Serbian state be it 15%, 5% or 1% but I do know when the jaw-jaw stops what will follow and that is why I do not wish partition what so ever but if the US is demented enough and you are happy for such scenario's then be very aware of what you are wishing upon yourself and all of the people who deserve economic development not destruction!

Careful what you wish for, Agim.

The EU has repeatedly stated that it will not recognise Kosovo independence without UN approval.

Russia has repeatedly said it will veto any proposal not agreed to by Serbia.

If, after 120 days of negotiations, the Kosovo Albanian leadership doesn’t accept supervised autonomy, the final outcome is clear.

No independence.
(Rade, 10. August 2007 17:09)

100% agree. Ceku thinks he has authority. When actually he doesnt have a single tank under his command. So no matter what he says the rest of the world can turn a deaf ear and ignor him. Convince the US its in their interest not to do this and they will accept autonomy

I can see that Pristina is asking for the sky while the contact group is telling them to walk on the ground. Lazer Russia is not avoiding responsibility since Russia is standing behind international law. Yes, US is spending billions to implement their strategic objectives while ignoring the human dimension. Peace and Future Research from Sweden write that “under NATO “supervision the reverse ethnic cleansing of non-Albanians, some 200.000 who are still in Serbia and Macedonia, including the always ignored Romas. They were not helped to get back as were the Albanians fleeing the 13-month of war in Kosovo and the NATO's bombs (the war and the bombing were much more important as causes for fleeing than was the manufactured nonsense about Milosevic already implementing a certain "Horseshoe Plan" aiming to get rid of no less than all 1,5 million Albanians living in Kosovo).” I see that Lazer ended his post again by yelling.

its quite entertaining to see people like Cvele and Rade, who seriously believe that 1 million albanians were fleeing from NATO bombs, but every single serb in Serbia and Kosovo heroically stayed with their chest towards the sky waiting for a 1000 lb bomb to fall on them!!!!!

Its kinda worrisom that there are still people who think like that in 21st century.

These soundbytes from both sides are getting repetitive and redundant. Ceku is in no position to bargain over something he doesn't control, and that is northern Kosovo. If territorial integrity is so important to him (barring the fact that the overall territorial integrity of Serbia is being overlooked), then he is going to have to accept a major headache of incorporating a large chunk of northern territory that will never bow to his government, nor will it accept its authority. Despite what I've been saying about a confederated Kosovo, I feel more realistically the north will simply break away and the international powers, in order to appease Belgrade, will let it happen, regardless of what Ceku or the rest of his government thinks. Is Serbia has to accept the loss of Kosovo, Pristina needs to accept that independence will still severely tie its hands in most political and economic matters. Bottom line, one cannot make demands over issues one is in no position to bargain over. That's Diplomacy 101.

With those demands, it might as well be 120 seconds instead of 120 days as nothing will be debated. it's obvious that taking such a hard line stance is on the direct orders of the US. Again, they know negotiations will come to nothing and therefore no official recognition for Kosovo. Why do they want a legal limbo?

"Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling."

They heroically stayed.

That almost sounded like a threat Cvele. I just daid it for the better, but hey they are your politicians. In Kosovo we still have ours. anyway, its the independence part i like here:
States exist for the sole purpose of fulfilling three fundamental tasks:
(1) to protect the population of the state; (2) to promote the economic, social and cultural welfare of that population; and
(3) to represent the interest of that population externally, that is, internationally.
Where a state or a government does not fulfil these functions over a
period of time, but instead represses or even kills the people it is supposed to protect; destroys their culture, economically exploits them; or represents other interests other then those of the people, then that
state or government lacks legitimacy in respect to the whole population,
or to that section of population which it oppresses.

I hope it is clear and simple that according to real INT LAW we are 3 up on Serbia!
I am sure we will be able to drink a shot of rakia one day in Prishtina. Just bring your pasport ;)

violette,
Whatever makes you happy girl, there are a million ways you can call it, you only talking about a name. A rabbit is called a rabbit in 342 know ways around the world but it still has a fluffy skin big ears a tail and 4 legs!
Anyway 92% K-Albanian 5% Serb and the rest actually likes independence too.

Walter,
I did yell since you are not hearing me.

Cvele, "kume",
If Serbia chooses leaders to replace existing one, that are worst then Milosevich, then I dare you stay when the new bombing begins!!!

*PEACE*

"(the war and the bombing were much more important as causes for fleeing than was the manufactured nonsense about Milosevic already implementing a certain "Horseshoe Plan" aiming to get rid of no less than all 1,5 million Albanians living in Kosovo)."

Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling.

Tirons, some responses.

The outcome is very clear. If, after 120 days of negotiations Serbia does not accept independence, Kosova will proclaim it itself.

The stated position of the EU is that they will not recognise a unilateral declaration of independence.
The US has warned Ceku not to unilaterally declare independence and he has agreed.
The stated position of Russia is that they will veto in the UN, any proposal not agreed to by both sides.

What will you do about it?

Me personally? Pass.

What can Serbia do about it? Nothing! Either accept it and look towards the future, or keep being miserable and backwards.

You answered the question but your answer is wrong. Serbia will use diplomacy to ensure the effect of a unilateral declaration of independence is minimised and reversed.

And, by the way, neither I nor my fellow Serbs are miserable or backwards.

Spot on Cvele.

Johny:

“Walter if the Bombs were the cause for Albanians fleeing, why did not the Serbs in Kosova/o flee at the same time. Are the Serbs so brave to challenge NATO bombs falling through their heads, or are the Albanians coward for running from the bombs while the Serbs heroically stayed there as the bombs were falling.”

There is strong evidence that the KLA deliberately expelled the Kosovo Albanian population to instigate a ‘humanitarian disaster’.

The whole of Serbia was being bombed, not only Kosovo and Metohija but the Serbs heroically stayed.

Adriano
"Once the storm is over the current Serb politicians would leave and new ones will come to the rescue. I hope they have some nice propaganda to take away some heat as I have seen today from here.
Enjoy people, INDEPENDENCE WILL BE TRUE!"

You better pray that these politicans do not leave. You wont like who they might be replaced with.

Sure Cvele. but you forget something else: 1) Serbia also, took Gold and Silver from TRepca for those years.
2) Serbia killed thousands of self inhabitants (albanians), too.
3) Serbia fired more than 250 000 workers (albanians) only for one day strike 3rd september 1990.
4) Serbia has milions of EUROs from Albanian savings in ex YUGOBANK and other BANKs. Pensions, too and much more.
And if your politics says that Serbia will not pay anymore Kosovo's depts, be sure that accepting the Kosovo's new State is best Solution for Serbia, ans especially for Serbs in Kosovo, first.

Ceku's demands will reduce him to being uncooperative thus giving the EU and UNSC all the reason they need to abandon him and Kosovo once and for all. The Americans will never support unilateral independence alone, not because Bush doesn't want to, because I am certain he does want to, but you have to remember Bush has to answer to Congress and they will have nothing to do with it! They cannot even pass simple health care bills or enhanced education bills through Congress with agreement much less some thing like Kosovo which will ultimately result in conflict which will involve American troops. The Americans had their Vietnam in the 60's and 70's and Iraq now, they won't be involved another major conflict for at least 15 to 20 years, they cannot afford it and their people will not tolerate it! And the KLA cannot fight the Serbs and Russians alone, it would be suicide.

Adriano finally you are putting in capital letters KOSOVO and not Kosova. I gues your mind knows the truth and reality no matter how loud you are.

Rade, kume
NOT ONLY did they stay but they went back to work after a days, maybe a week tops.

No Cleve (even though I can sense this was a tongue in cheek comment) and Johny they fled as well to Serbia, Macedonia and Albania and Montenegro as did many Albanians before and during the bombing. Many sent their children and women first to stay with friends and relatives like the family that now lives in my town. The husband stayed behind to make sure his property was not vandalized and when NATO started bombing he left as well. Why do you think there are 3 million Iraqi refugees outside of Iraq or Palestinian refugees in Jordan and Lebanon or thousands in refugee camps in Darfur?
When Lebanon went crazy recently Canada had to evacuate over 30 thousand of her citizens who were fleeing the war zone As a child of 3 I remember like it was today living in the bush some distance away from our farm home as the German Stukas attacked the town some three kilometers away. Even my peasant mother knew if we stayed in the house it could be the end of us. This is not rocket science Johny as they say in England “It is elementary my dear Watson.”

I wonder that the Albanians ask for guaranties....

who are they asking?

the "one and only global super-power"? =)

even if it is disappointing news for some albanian simpletons, the alleged global superpower is so powerful that some mere insinuations from China let the US experience some cold sweat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml

and

http://www.senate.gov/~finance/press/Bpress/2007press/prb072607a.pdf

it can turn out to be quite ugly if you rely solely on "global superpowers".

Remember what Sec of State Rice advised the Pristina Group when they came to Washington was to not declare independence and work together to solve this issue. Do you all think that PM Ceku will do this anyway no i don't think so because he will lose the backing of the US and most of the EU members. Now after a 120 days let see what happens i think some of us have been either drinking too many pejas or laskos beers because the thought process has gone way off the scale.

To Tirons:

You mentioned that, "what can Serbia do about it," in the event of a unilateral declaration of independence.
What planet do you come from?
Serbia has upped the antie by stating that it'll consider all the necessary measures to counter such action. Do you believe that Serbia will roll over and play dead? Don't you believe that there are behind the scenes discussions with the Russians. Do you believe that they (Russins)will let this set a precedent for Chechnya? Keep on dreaming!!!!

NO!

Watler, adriano

(1) to protect the population of the state; (2) to promote the economic, social and cultural welfare of that population; and
(3) to represent the interest of that population externally, that is, internationally.

1 Serbia protected the population from external and internal threats

2 Serbia paid taxes for Kosovo improvments during past 100 years. Builsing schools, hospitals, municipal buildings, AND dont forget the railways, roads, etc.

3. Serbia has represented the will of the majority of its citizens externally allways... unlike US... or Britain for example.

As for the comment about the politicians it stands. Do not for a second assume that NATO would again bomb Serbia. There is no one crazy enough to suggest such a thing. We refuse to let 15% of our territory be taken away so they will attack us? They would fall apart... NATO and the EU. As long as 1244 stands all Serbs have to do is wait for the albans to break it and thats it.

Of course, Mr. Ceku is not there to negotiate Kosova's indpendence, as he, as no one else is authorised to negotiate that! The only thing that is to be negotiated is further, I would say wide, rights to serb minority and their stronger ties with BG, so they could feel safe in inependent Kosova.

If its too long of a read, then the Post Yugoslavia should be a nice summary for you.

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/kosovohistory.html

Cvele

Priminster Ceku; is only retreating what 95% of the Kosova population want, and as suggested by the Troika President Ahtisari plan is still on the table the only reason the further talks are taking place is to try to seek an agreement on a possibility to annex Kosova this will not happen clearly as the Kosovars will not agree to more of our land being taken by the Slavs. We will not agree thus no agreement, if the decision is taken back to the UN and that grant the Kosovars with a positive outcome we will see Kosova and Priminster Ceku declaring Independence in the Kosovar Parliament. Where does that leave the serbs living in Kosova ask your selves. It’s easy to make radical comments but the in the end you will not be losing out. Serbia will never again govern our lands, and the sooner Tadic and Kostunica realise that and start to look at real economical issues rather than blind their people with Kosova, the better for the entire region.

LET’S MOVE ON TOGETHER. AS 2 FREINDLY COUNTRIES. THE SOONER WE ENTER THE EU THE BETTER THEIR WILL NO BOARDERS.