LOL, John you sure do not live in kosovo or ever been there. I had actually 4 apartments in Kosovo. 3 in a Serb dominated area which lost power all the time, if the had power 24 hrs then i must have been staying in the wrong area. Power was out continously you were lucky to have it 4-6 hours per day. Now my last apartment was in a albanian majority area and i had power 6 on 4 off. So please get your facts straight dude. When you live there then tell me when the Serbs had power 24 hours a day. You sir are talking out your arse when it comes to power supply. If you add up what both sides owe KEK i think the majority if they don't pay would have the largest bill sir. Sir i am not going to comment on the pension plan because i don't about it but the power part i do. LOL 24 hours for Serbs area give me a break. I froze my butt off because of no power then i think i should know. Also sir, if KEK is having problems A block does not always have power like say nor B. When President Rugova died and visitors came to Kosovo to pay respect all power was diverted to Pristina. KFOR remodeled and powered the building where he laid in state. KEK said they would provide power but the UNMIK official said no thanks and called up KFOR provide power. Thanks for allowing us B92 to voice our opinions
So you compare a bill like 20 euros to 87 million EUROS?
Thats 119,068,148 USD. Just checked...and still going.
In Kosova we have the ABC plan. Turf A means the whole turf pays their bill their electricity is between 18-21 hrs.
Turf B pays less their electricity is somewhere 10-15 hrs daily.
Turf C gets whatever is left bc they pay the least or not pay it at all.
BUT the Kosovar-Serbs get 24hr non-stop electricity and owe at least 119 million dollars and you want to tell me I'm wrong? Don't tell me they don't have money to pay it, they are getting Kosovar Government Pension (even though they have not contributed a cent) and from serbia.
Real Canadian,
where does my comment says that I admit to starting the other wars??
You are absolutely right when it comes to the debt question. History will show the reasons the war and fighting started. I have even read bosnian propaganda blaiming the serbs for the destruction of the mostar bridge.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs."
no no vrnjak, dont you see?
Its all a conspiracy by Belgrade. After all why admit that Kosovo Albanians are at fault for anything when they can just pass the blame on Serbians?
IF you want your own country then you must pay your own bills. Democracy is not free and you must also pay taxes to support your government. Serbia is not going to finance Kosovo anymore so get used to it. Just being upfront and honest. Since you want freedom you must pay for it. Different country as if you wanted that way. So please don't come complaining because freedom is not free. Tex, if everyone had to pay for damages then we would all be broke. Ahmet, put the past in the past and leave it there. You want to have freedom then it will cost you. Kosovo has it's own debt and the majority wants freedom so pay your own bills. Also john about kek everyone owes kek not just Serbs. Now when a local newspaper prints the names of individuals and business of who has not paid there bills then you can come back here and complain about not paying kek. Everyone paid there bill kek would not have all the problems they have now.
One would think that only Economy and legal experts (both Albanian and Serbian)are reading this site.
I'm sure that there will be some kind of Commision (perhaps joined Serbian-Albanian Expert Commision) that will look at all these issues in the future and untangle all this. I don't understand why are you people jumping off your seats?
Avi, I am not saying that the roads are great. I am saying that we did a lot to build roads and infrastructure. Albanians in Yugoslavia lived better than Albanians in Albania. Then lets look at the demographic change from 1961 to 1991... the albanian percentage went up from 66% to 83 er so %. You guys are not innocent babies, as you like to portray.
1. Paying for the pension funds that no Kosovar is receiving that is theirs. Kosovars didn't have a choice if they wanted a pension or not, their money was taken from their checks.
2. Burning of hundreds of thousands of houses, mosques, stores/shops, for destruction of all its roads (20 ton tanks driving everywhere).
Those are just a few that come off right at the top of my mind.
Also this isn't the debt that serbia (the country) owes but the serbian people of Kosova (87 million EUROS) to KEK (Korporata Energjetike e Kosovës).
I thought I'd mention this because every time someone mentions that Kosovar-serbs don't pay a dime to Kosova Government and yet they receive 24/7 energy other commentors bring up the "debt" that serbia pays for Kosova.
(Srboslav, 10. August 2007 18:47)
"Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one"
Does this mean that you admit of starting all of other 4 wars???
By the way debt is a technical issue, and will be dealt with when both Countries recognize each other...
I think we all know owns and who does not.
Lazar you must be joking,the roads in Pristina or anywher in Kosovo were so bad that hard it would be to walk and not driving cars.I was surprised how can a part of Yugoslavia be left in that underdeveloped place,compering Kosovo to other republics is like day and night.
Serboslav, when Serbia started war with Slovenia,Croatia and Bosnia they took everything from Macedonia military equipment,empted the accounts of ex banks, the worse they forced people to go and fight in Croatia and Bosnia for Milosevic and his dreamers who dreamd to become the king of Yugoslavia.
Well since Kosovo and the Kosovars want their independence...well then they can start paying off their debts just like any other "independent" country. I mean people seriously don't think that the Serbs and their governement will continue paying off Kosovo when they no longer have juristiction. Can't have it both ways! PS to all those talking about war restitution..that means that the Albanians then theorictically will have to repay and rebuild all the Serbian homes and churches as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander!!
Avi, Serbia did not exploit the other republics, and if anyone did exploiting, it was Slovenia.
As for Kosovo, the Serbs have invested countless billions of dollars into there. Remember, Pristian did not have ONE paved street in 1945. Who paid for everything in Kosovo? The Serbs. Who manipulated the development funds in Kosovo? The albanians.
we shall not pay a cent for damages in 1999. We were fighting KLA terrorists, and then NATO bombed us. NATO went about to destroy the infrastructure in the entire country... they bombed a lot of infrastructure in Kosovo too. And their bombing produced almost all of the crimes that the serbs did - they were a logical consequence that the US state department predicted.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs.
Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one
On that basis Kosovo should pay Serbia for war reparations i.e. NATO bombing as the war in Kosovo was initiated by the KLA and other armed Albanian units.
Milan
Go back since 1990 up to now,let me remind you about slovenia,bosnia,croatia,macedonia,kosovo.Serbia took everything they could from these places and the wors how many humman lifes.The damage Serbia has done would never ever be able to pay back.History that people would never forget.Delic can fly on his dream anyway.
You are paying serbia's debt and not Kosova. You have emptied baks of Kosova including govermant and individula accounts + you have robbed people of Kosova during your forced exodus of milions or I should say billions of dollars worth.
Good. If the entire solar system is telling Belgrade Kosovo is no longer theirs, they shouldn't spend another dinar on it. Cut your losses, focus on what you can control, invest in that, and let the EU inherit all the headaches of FADURK.
And what might these damages be? Can you please explain. Paying 8 years of debt is more than reparations for anything. When will the Albanians start paying for what they have done?
You are paying serbia's debt and not Kosova. You have emptied baks of Kosova including govermant and individula accounts + you have robbed people of Kosova during your forced exodus of milions or I should say billions of dollars worth.
Avi, Serbia did not exploit the other republics, and if anyone did exploiting, it was Slovenia.
As for Kosovo, the Serbs have invested countless billions of dollars into there. Remember, Pristian did not have ONE paved street in 1945. Who paid for everything in Kosovo? The Serbs. Who manipulated the development funds in Kosovo? The albanians.
we shall not pay a cent for damages in 1999. We were fighting KLA terrorists, and then NATO bombed us. NATO went about to destroy the infrastructure in the entire country... they bombed a lot of infrastructure in Kosovo too. And their bombing produced almost all of the crimes that the serbs did - they were a logical consequence that the US state department predicted.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs.
And what might these damages be? Can you please explain. Paying 8 years of debt is more than reparations for anything. When will the Albanians start paying for what they have done?
Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one
Well since Kosovo and the Kosovars want their independence...well then they can start paying off their debts just like any other "independent" country. I mean people seriously don't think that the Serbs and their governement will continue paying off Kosovo when they no longer have juristiction. Can't have it both ways! PS to all those talking about war restitution..that means that the Albanians then theorictically will have to repay and rebuild all the Serbian homes and churches as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander!!
Good. If the entire solar system is telling Belgrade Kosovo is no longer theirs, they shouldn't spend another dinar on it. Cut your losses, focus on what you can control, invest in that, and let the EU inherit all the headaches of FADURK.
On that basis Kosovo should pay Serbia for war reparations i.e. NATO bombing as the war in Kosovo was initiated by the KLA and other armed Albanian units.
Milan
Go back since 1990 up to now,let me remind you about slovenia,bosnia,croatia,macedonia,kosovo.Serbia took everything they could from these places and the wors how many humman lifes.The damage Serbia has done would never ever be able to pay back.History that people would never forget.Delic can fly on his dream anyway.
I think we all know owns and who does not.
Lazar you must be joking,the roads in Pristina or anywher in Kosovo were so bad that hard it would be to walk and not driving cars.I was surprised how can a part of Yugoslavia be left in that underdeveloped place,compering Kosovo to other republics is like day and night.
Serboslav, when Serbia started war with Slovenia,Croatia and Bosnia they took everything from Macedonia military equipment,empted the accounts of ex banks, the worse they forced people to go and fight in Croatia and Bosnia for Milosevic and his dreamers who dreamd to become the king of Yugoslavia.
Avi, I am not saying that the roads are great. I am saying that we did a lot to build roads and infrastructure. Albanians in Yugoslavia lived better than Albanians in Albania. Then lets look at the demographic change from 1961 to 1991... the albanian percentage went up from 66% to 83 er so %. You guys are not innocent babies, as you like to portray.
Real Canadian,
where does my comment says that I admit to starting the other wars??
You are absolutely right when it comes to the debt question. History will show the reasons the war and fighting started. I have even read bosnian propaganda blaiming the serbs for the destruction of the mostar bridge.
IF you want your own country then you must pay your own bills. Democracy is not free and you must also pay taxes to support your government. Serbia is not going to finance Kosovo anymore so get used to it. Just being upfront and honest. Since you want freedom you must pay for it. Different country as if you wanted that way. So please don't come complaining because freedom is not free. Tex, if everyone had to pay for damages then we would all be broke. Ahmet, put the past in the past and leave it there. You want to have freedom then it will cost you. Kosovo has it's own debt and the majority wants freedom so pay your own bills. Also john about kek everyone owes kek not just Serbs. Now when a local newspaper prints the names of individuals and business of who has not paid there bills then you can come back here and complain about not paying kek. Everyone paid there bill kek would not have all the problems they have now.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs."
no no vrnjak, dont you see?
Its all a conspiracy by Belgrade. After all why admit that Kosovo Albanians are at fault for anything when they can just pass the blame on Serbians?
1. Paying for the pension funds that no Kosovar is receiving that is theirs. Kosovars didn't have a choice if they wanted a pension or not, their money was taken from their checks.
2. Burning of hundreds of thousands of houses, mosques, stores/shops, for destruction of all its roads (20 ton tanks driving everywhere).
Those are just a few that come off right at the top of my mind.
Also this isn't the debt that serbia (the country) owes but the serbian people of Kosova (87 million EUROS) to KEK (Korporata Energjetike e Kosovës).
I thought I'd mention this because every time someone mentions that Kosovar-serbs don't pay a dime to Kosova Government and yet they receive 24/7 energy other commentors bring up the "debt" that serbia pays for Kosova.
One would think that only Economy and legal experts (both Albanian and Serbian)are reading this site.
I'm sure that there will be some kind of Commision (perhaps joined Serbian-Albanian Expert Commision) that will look at all these issues in the future and untangle all this. I don't understand why are you people jumping off your seats?
So you compare a bill like 20 euros to 87 million EUROS?
Thats 119,068,148 USD. Just checked...and still going.
In Kosova we have the ABC plan. Turf A means the whole turf pays their bill their electricity is between 18-21 hrs.
Turf B pays less their electricity is somewhere 10-15 hrs daily.
Turf C gets whatever is left bc they pay the least or not pay it at all.
BUT the Kosovar-Serbs get 24hr non-stop electricity and owe at least 119 million dollars and you want to tell me I'm wrong? Don't tell me they don't have money to pay it, they are getting Kosovar Government Pension (even though they have not contributed a cent) and from serbia.
(Srboslav, 10. August 2007 18:47)
"Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one"
Does this mean that you admit of starting all of other 4 wars???
By the way debt is a technical issue, and will be dealt with when both Countries recognize each other...
LOL, John you sure do not live in kosovo or ever been there. I had actually 4 apartments in Kosovo. 3 in a Serb dominated area which lost power all the time, if the had power 24 hrs then i must have been staying in the wrong area. Power was out continously you were lucky to have it 4-6 hours per day. Now my last apartment was in a albanian majority area and i had power 6 on 4 off. So please get your facts straight dude. When you live there then tell me when the Serbs had power 24 hours a day. You sir are talking out your arse when it comes to power supply. If you add up what both sides owe KEK i think the majority if they don't pay would have the largest bill sir. Sir i am not going to comment on the pension plan because i don't about it but the power part i do. LOL 24 hours for Serbs area give me a break. I froze my butt off because of no power then i think i should know. Also sir, if KEK is having problems A block does not always have power like say nor B. When President Rugova died and visitors came to Kosovo to pay respect all power was diverted to Pristina. KFOR remodeled and powered the building where he laid in state. KEK said they would provide power but the UNMIK official said no thanks and called up KFOR provide power. Thanks for allowing us B92 to voice our opinions
And what might these damages be? Can you please explain. Paying 8 years of debt is more than reparations for anything. When will the Albanians start paying for what they have done?
You are paying serbia's debt and not Kosova. You have emptied baks of Kosova including govermant and individula accounts + you have robbed people of Kosova during your forced exodus of milions or I should say billions of dollars worth.
Milan
Go back since 1990 up to now,let me remind you about slovenia,bosnia,croatia,macedonia,kosovo.Serbia took everything they could from these places and the wors how many humman lifes.The damage Serbia has done would never ever be able to pay back.History that people would never forget.Delic can fly on his dream anyway.
Good. If the entire solar system is telling Belgrade Kosovo is no longer theirs, they shouldn't spend another dinar on it. Cut your losses, focus on what you can control, invest in that, and let the EU inherit all the headaches of FADURK.
Avi, Serbia did not exploit the other republics, and if anyone did exploiting, it was Slovenia.
As for Kosovo, the Serbs have invested countless billions of dollars into there. Remember, Pristian did not have ONE paved street in 1945. Who paid for everything in Kosovo? The Serbs. Who manipulated the development funds in Kosovo? The albanians.
we shall not pay a cent for damages in 1999. We were fighting KLA terrorists, and then NATO bombed us. NATO went about to destroy the infrastructure in the entire country... they bombed a lot of infrastructure in Kosovo too. And their bombing produced almost all of the crimes that the serbs did - they were a logical consequence that the US state department predicted.
I think we all know owns and who does not.
Lazar you must be joking,the roads in Pristina or anywher in Kosovo were so bad that hard it would be to walk and not driving cars.I was surprised how can a part of Yugoslavia be left in that underdeveloped place,compering Kosovo to other republics is like day and night.
Serboslav, when Serbia started war with Slovenia,Croatia and Bosnia they took everything from Macedonia military equipment,empted the accounts of ex banks, the worse they forced people to go and fight in Croatia and Bosnia for Milosevic and his dreamers who dreamd to become the king of Yugoslavia.
On that basis Kosovo should pay Serbia for war reparations i.e. NATO bombing as the war in Kosovo was initiated by the KLA and other armed Albanian units.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs.
1. Paying for the pension funds that no Kosovar is receiving that is theirs. Kosovars didn't have a choice if they wanted a pension or not, their money was taken from their checks.
2. Burning of hundreds of thousands of houses, mosques, stores/shops, for destruction of all its roads (20 ton tanks driving everywhere).
Those are just a few that come off right at the top of my mind.
Also this isn't the debt that serbia (the country) owes but the serbian people of Kosova (87 million EUROS) to KEK (Korporata Energjetike e Kosovës).
I thought I'd mention this because every time someone mentions that Kosovar-serbs don't pay a dime to Kosova Government and yet they receive 24/7 energy other commentors bring up the "debt" that serbia pays for Kosova.
Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one
Well since Kosovo and the Kosovars want their independence...well then they can start paying off their debts just like any other "independent" country. I mean people seriously don't think that the Serbs and their governement will continue paying off Kosovo when they no longer have juristiction. Can't have it both ways! PS to all those talking about war restitution..that means that the Albanians then theorictically will have to repay and rebuild all the Serbian homes and churches as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander!!
(Srboslav, 10. August 2007 18:47)
"Avi,
please explain to me how it was Serbias fault that the fightings in Makedonija occoured. I have always belived that it was the albanians against the makedonijans in this one"
Does this mean that you admit of starting all of other 4 wars???
By the way debt is a technical issue, and will be dealt with when both Countries recognize each other...
Avi, I am not saying that the roads are great. I am saying that we did a lot to build roads and infrastructure. Albanians in Yugoslavia lived better than Albanians in Albania. Then lets look at the demographic change from 1961 to 1991... the albanian percentage went up from 66% to 83 er so %. You guys are not innocent babies, as you like to portray.
One would think that only Economy and legal experts (both Albanian and Serbian)are reading this site.
I'm sure that there will be some kind of Commision (perhaps joined Serbian-Albanian Expert Commision) that will look at all these issues in the future and untangle all this. I don't understand why are you people jumping off your seats?
IF you want your own country then you must pay your own bills. Democracy is not free and you must also pay taxes to support your government. Serbia is not going to finance Kosovo anymore so get used to it. Just being upfront and honest. Since you want freedom you must pay for it. Different country as if you wanted that way. So please don't come complaining because freedom is not free. Tex, if everyone had to pay for damages then we would all be broke. Ahmet, put the past in the past and leave it there. You want to have freedom then it will cost you. Kosovo has it's own debt and the majority wants freedom so pay your own bills. Also john about kek everyone owes kek not just Serbs. Now when a local newspaper prints the names of individuals and business of who has not paid there bills then you can come back here and complain about not paying kek. Everyone paid there bill kek would not have all the problems they have now.
-- an ethinicly cleansed Kosovo prior to 1999
-- demolished or vandalized the vast majority of Serbian Orthodox Church property Kosovo i Metohija
-- Ethnic Albanians inability to live in peace within any of its neighboring nation-state's borders.
-- No taxes paid in the last 8 years.
-- Incidently, have ethnic Albanians living Kosovo ever paid taxes?
-- making Kosovo the economic black hole of Yugoslavia.
-- religious radicalization of its population
-- harboring and training of/with Al qaeda terrorist
-- ethnic Albanian population brainwashed since Ottoman times on through current times under war criminal/mafioso leadership to HATE Serbs."
no no vrnjak, dont you see?
Its all a conspiracy by Belgrade. After all why admit that Kosovo Albanians are at fault for anything when they can just pass the blame on Serbians?
Real Canadian,
where does my comment says that I admit to starting the other wars??
You are absolutely right when it comes to the debt question. History will show the reasons the war and fighting started. I have even read bosnian propaganda blaiming the serbs for the destruction of the mostar bridge.
So you compare a bill like 20 euros to 87 million EUROS?
Thats 119,068,148 USD. Just checked...and still going.
In Kosova we have the ABC plan. Turf A means the whole turf pays their bill their electricity is between 18-21 hrs.
Turf B pays less their electricity is somewhere 10-15 hrs daily.
Turf C gets whatever is left bc they pay the least or not pay it at all.
BUT the Kosovar-Serbs get 24hr non-stop electricity and owe at least 119 million dollars and you want to tell me I'm wrong? Don't tell me they don't have money to pay it, they are getting Kosovar Government Pension (even though they have not contributed a cent) and from serbia.
LOL, John you sure do not live in kosovo or ever been there. I had actually 4 apartments in Kosovo. 3 in a Serb dominated area which lost power all the time, if the had power 24 hrs then i must have been staying in the wrong area. Power was out continously you were lucky to have it 4-6 hours per day. Now my last apartment was in a albanian majority area and i had power 6 on 4 off. So please get your facts straight dude. When you live there then tell me when the Serbs had power 24 hours a day. You sir are talking out your arse when it comes to power supply. If you add up what both sides owe KEK i think the majority if they don't pay would have the largest bill sir. Sir i am not going to comment on the pension plan because i don't about it but the power part i do. LOL 24 hours for Serbs area give me a break. I froze my butt off because of no power then i think i should know. Also sir, if KEK is having problems A block does not always have power like say nor B. When President Rugova died and visitors came to Kosovo to pay respect all power was diverted to Pristina. KFOR remodeled and powered the building where he laid in state. KEK said they would provide power but the UNMIK official said no thanks and called up KFOR provide power. Thanks for allowing us B92 to voice our opinions
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