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Friday, 03.08.2007.

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Serbia to ask for direct negotiations

The Belgrade media reported today that Serbia will ask for direct negotiations regarding Kosovo's future status.

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Walter

pre 16 godina

Nick: Many here tell us how Kosovo Albanians were not equal citizens within Yugoslavia and Nick told us the same thing, now Nick tells us that Surroii’s father was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and Ceku was a graduate of Belgrade Military Academy. I guess education opens most doors even in old Yugoslavia. The Serbs probably paid for that free education.

As for Jeremic I think he also has a doctorate from Harvard but you know that does not compare well with the University of Pristina.. I have translated many academic credentials from the University of Pristina and even my small town university here in Canada is not impressed because they will not grant credit for any courses taken there. .

Taras

pre 16 godina

Pristina University?
And that is meant to impress exactly who with regard to academic qualifications?

When are you albanians going to wake up and realise you really are not special and that your interests are yours alone.

No-one is going to war for you ever again and you certainly are in now position to do so yourselves, since the merest burp from you know will result in absolute abandonement by the west.

Your independence is doomed. It alays was. Whatever fate awaits Kosmet, it will not be the one you all expect.

Edward

pre 16 godina

We all were testimony that even montenegro,having the same language,religion,history,culture and traditions,refused to live together with serbs.Why??? Now I am asking you people:Does anybody knows what is similar between serbs and k-albanians?They both are part of the same galaxy, I guess!!!

Nick

pre 16 godina

svojgazda,

You will be "suprised" to find that in fact it is the Serbian side that has little IF ANY education in politics and diplomacy, or even LAW.

Kosova Negociation Team

Fatmir Sejdiu (President of Kosova)

Graduated from the Faculty of Law at the University of Pristina and holds a PhD degree in Law. He has served as a professor at the Faculty of Law and the Faculty of Political Science at the University of Pristina.

Kole Berisha (Speaker of the Kosova Parliament)

He has a law degree from the University of Priština.

Agim Ceku (Prime Minister of Kosova)

Graduated from the Belgrade military academy and later bevame a General in the Croatian Army.

Veton Surroi (Leader of ORA Party)

Graduated at the Faculty of Philosophy and Literature of the UNAM in Mexico City, worked as a journalist in the Albanian language daily "Rilindja". His father Rexhai Surroi was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and a number of Latin American countries.

Hashim Thaqi

Studied philosophy and history at the University of Priština.

Serbian government representatives.

Boris Tadic

graduated from the University of Belgrade with a degree in pyschology. He worked as a journalist and eventually taught psychology at a Belgrade gymnasium.

Vojslav Kostunica

A law graduate from the University of Belgrade with a Ph.D. at the Faculty of Law.


Vuk Jeremic

Graduated from Queens' College, Cambridge with a degree in Theoretical Physics.

I dont know about you guys but it seems to me like the wrong people are preaching about international law. You have a Psychologist and a Physician telling law professiors what international law is. Its hilarious.

K-Alb

pre 16 godina

Direct negotiations took place some time ago for 13 months, and Serbia did not take it seriously. Now they want some more??? No way!
Serbia had the chance and lost it.

svojgazda

pre 16 godina

Of course the Pristina team will not sit down and negotiate face-to-face. Their backgrounds are not in politics or diplomacy. The negotiations would be better off with Kurti representing the Albanians - we know his view but, at least he's educated.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Princip and all others who claim that the ahtasaari package was destroyed, Since 99 all the news and western support has been set on independence. The UN fact finding went similar the ahtasaari package was formed because it was obviously the most sane compromise. As for negotiations it was the Serb side that didn't turn up because they thought they had everything under control. It is so easy for all you Serb diaspora to say no this and no that. But don't be surprised that even the next negotiations will bring out the same fruit. And i wouldn't be surprised that you will be here blaming the contact group, the EU, than in another couple of years the SC. Move on people.
And remember the darkest hour of the night it is before the dawn. You can keep Kosovo in paper (1244) for a little bit longer, until that too will morph like Yugoslavia.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Fratko
How about full autonomy, while under EU guard and as a comprimise "instant" entrance for all countries with Alban population in the Balkans into the EU.

SO
-Montenegro
-Macedonia
-Serbia
-Albania

While all Serb refugees are allowed to return, we will allow for Kosovo and Albania to make all sorts of diplomatic ties. As well as the ability of all Serbian and Albanian citizens in Kosovo to enjoy a promise of tax free loans from their neighbours. So as to make them feel a little bit in debt to their neighbours.

Serbia retains sovereignty as well as control over the North while the control of the mines is shared.

Basically it would be this or nothing for the Albanian side. Russia is too strong (economically) for US and EU to impose anything on them.

Beni,
You are right... but was there independence?

Phillip Dragisic

pre 16 godina

Message to Olf and other Albanians, the “AHTISAARI PACKAGE” is dead! What part of this phrase don’t you understand? Even Ahtisaari himself said that his plan would not pass! The might of Vladimir Putin far outweighs the power of a pen pusher like Ahtisaari. You Albanians seem to think that Ahtisaari’s opinion is the word of God. Ahtisaari is a low-level diplomat with no power. Putin has the might of Russia behind him. Do not ever forget this! I have said before, all what Putin has to do is tell the U.S. that if Serbia is bombed again, Russia will defend Serbia. If Putin does this, it is game, set and match for Serbia! The U.S. will not risk a war with Russia to defend Albanian interests. Remember Albanians, the U.S. does not care what happens to you! The U.S. does what it does for its own interests. The second that the U.S. feels like it is not in its best interest to support Albanian independence, it will throw out all the Albanians’ hopes and dreams like yesterdays newspaper.

Beni

pre 16 godina

cvele
Just to remind you that in 1999 Russia played the same role as today.
No UNSC resolution but still serbia got bombed.
Peace.

anti-american

pre 16 godina

EVEN russia KNOWS it.

The daily, however, states that level of compromise Serbia is prepared for will not be enough to satisfiy the Kosovo Albanians and the West.
“The steps Belgrade is taking towards the Kosovo Albanians has made the gap between their stances smaller, but Priština does not want to hear about anything less than independence, and the West does not wish to stray from Ahtisaari's proposal too much,” the daily writes.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Princip

I have been reading news in Albanian, Serbian, English as well as you postings in here. Believe me, I am still waiting for Serbia to come back to Kosova but it looks like nothing form that. Serbia has chosen a different way Europe without you and supporters like you. After all, there are many Serbs that would like to be in your situation, sitting comfortably in UK and suggesting solution for You in Balkans

Ahtisari package was the best ever solution for Serb minority in Kosova but unfortunately there are still people like some here that would like to gamble with them.

Cvele

I knew that you’ll like my suggestion for you being a minister.
As well you are right when you say that your argument left me speechless. Cvele your argument has lost me. I am still recovering

I wish all K-Albanians and Serbs very good weekend

fratko

pre 16 godina

Cvele (president of Serbia LOL)
what do you offer to Albanians in Kosovo?
How do you guarantee them that they will have a bright future in the "democratic" state of Serbia?

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Olf,

you clearly didn't read the news at the end of July but the Ahtisaari plan was blocked - not even the need for a vote - it's gone, RIP, Kaput and bienvenue!

Thus given that this cannot pass through the UN what else do you think these "new" negotiations are going to be about other than how the Serbian province is governed under autonomy and continued Serbian sovereignity? This is the perpose of the talks and the ethnic-Albanian team have to come forward ready to negotiate for themselves!

Accept the state you are in and make the best for yourselves and the next generations - the Serbian province needs a stable and lasting resolution based on genuine compromise and reconciliation of all the Serbian citizens

C

pre 16 godina

Kate,

You seem to be assuming a model of negotiations between parties as if they have been friends and allies for centuries. You seem to be assuming a western-type rationality amongst parties involved, hoping they will come to their senses.

I think given your understandable desire to see Kosovo as part of Serbia, you are fooling yourself with a false hope that if only the Albanian side came to their senses and engaged meaningfully, a compromise would be reached. That simply goes to show that you seem unable or unwilling to understand the context in which this conflict is embedded.

You also sound very hopeless when you claim a large influence of Serbia over Kosovo. You know, Serbia's 'hold' over Kosovo rests in one thing: a sentence in resolution 1244, which is about to be trashed to the bin. You know very well that the situation on the ground is one of factual independence in Kosovo; Belgrade has not a single influence nor authority in 'its province.' No army, no police, no customs, no foreign policy, no taxes of any sort. I am really puzzled of this authority you claim Serbia has on Kosovo. You seem like you sleep with a printed copy of Resolution 1244 under your pillow. I congratulate you on that. Maybe you meant to say that Serbia is paying Kosovo's share of foreign debt - to which the Kosovars couldn't care less, which is, anyway, a use of Serbian taxpayer money for the foreign debt of what is factually a neighbouring country.

I simply don't see how any formula for the status will go against the factual situation on the ground. The formula will simply seek to reaffirm the situation in a new legal form, by giving Kosovo independence, but giving a centralized regional authority to the Kosovo Serb minority.

It's funny how Serbian offers have transformed over the past 2 decades. From suspending autonomy in late 80s and claiming it to be the cradle of their nation, to offering wide autonomy, to now offering even some sovereign attributes. Doesn't that smell like utter defeat?

avi

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that Belgrad will do anything to procrastinate the independance of Kosovo.Doing this not that Serbia cares about Kosovo or Kosovars but it is trying to grab economical support and making a deal to joing EU.
At the momment Kosovan Serbs are victims mostly,Belgrad does not let them to take part in Kosovo's political,social and economic structures and neither let them take part or allow them to say what they want.Enyway by march 08 if not before the issue of Kosovo will be solved.
God bles Kosovo

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF
I love the way u replied. U clearly let me and everyone know that u have absolutely NO argument from ur side. As well as the fact that you understand my argument. I just destroyed ur dreams in 1 short paragraph and all u can say is I should be in Serbian politics. Thank you sir.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Alex Under said > I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.
(Alex Under, 3. August 2007 13:14)

My Dear Alex the Albanians had better take it seriously because the Serbs are showing the world that they are willing to compromise and should the Albanians not do the same your last remaining support for independence will slow disappear. There are many nations watching how seriously the Albanians are taking these talks anything less then cooperative will end your dreams COLD come December.

fratko

pre 16 godina

diplomacy!!! it was diplomacy that got all the western democratic world to side with Kosovo. It was the wars Serbia was waging that got Serbia tagged as the black sheep of the Ballkans, and only Russia (for her own interests) wants to look as if they are siding with Serbia, using the card of international law and so on. That same international law forbids the army of a state to exterminate and ethnically cleanse territories under their control. So who broke the law first?! i ask?!

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF AND BENNY
What you must understand is that it is not what US position is or that of a few EU countries. Its the position of Russia with not allowing the resolution to pass through the UN. So US is irrelevent because without comeplete EU support (73% of EU has to be for which will never happen) they will not recognise them themselves because they dont want to be stuck with the bills and with keeping their troops there for the next 100 years. So guys Serbias position is that of BLISS. Have a great day.
CCCC

Benny

pre 16 godina

It has to make one wonder why the Serbian leadership is playing for time so hard. I guess that they think that with time anything can happen and that time would cure all of their ailments.

The thing of it is that the US is not about to change their stance any time soon, nor are the other western countries of the contact group. Considering that in most likelyhood either Wesley Clark or Richard Holbrooke will become the new secretaries of state for the US, I can't see Serbia's prospects improving. But then again perhaps these leaders are just buying time until they secure their own financial futures.

kate

pre 16 godina

Ahmet - A bit of wishful thinking on your part, perhaps.

As Kosovo remains a province of Serbia and this was confirmed by the UN at the end of the 1999 conflict, Serbia actually has the greatest say in what happens to Kosovo. It's better to work with the UN and the sovereign state to reach an agreement to suit all.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I fully expect the albanians to refuse face to face negotiations. That is not their style, they prefer to have others do the negotiating for them, and to fight their wars for them.

Olf

pre 16 godina

K-Albanians have already negotiated earlier and come to compromise called AHTISARI PACKAGE. Ahtisari package offers a lot to Serbian minority in Kosova. Serbian politicians should've accept it in order to help Serbs tart their life in Kosova.
Kosova team will not agree to anything less that Compromise “AHTISARI PACKAGE”.
Issues to discus missing persons, return of IDP, trade relation etc , except status

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

According to Blic, serbia will insist......
serbia is in no position to insist on anything. Get a grip on yourself serbia.Negotiations are long over and done with it.

Alex Under

pre 16 godina

This is just another absurd request to prolong the negotiations indefinitely. I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.

Fred

pre 16 godina

Just wondering who is making the rules; Serbia, Contact group (CG) or Kosovars? Good start Serbia team just go for it...

Peace to Kosovo & Serbia

kate

pre 16 godina

It would be much better to have monitored direct negotiations, although I fully expect the Kosovo Albanian leadership to refuse to take part. If they could get past this black and white approach towards anything to do with the Serbian leadership (which seems to border on pure hate), then perhaps something could actually be worked out.

The Serbian govt has already upset the radicals with Vuk Jeremic's suggestion of limited sovereign rights. Now is the time for the Albanians to prove that they are willing to open discussions without just coming out with soundbytes the whole time.

The Kosovo negotiating team need to step out from behind the UN and show some willing and an international standard of diplomacy.

avi

pre 16 godina

Slobodan Samarzic should stay in Kosovo if he is the minister of Kosovo,not sure who is representig,Serbs,Abanians,Romas.
Slobodan Samarzic is absolutly joke.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

According to Blic, serbia will insist......
serbia is in no position to insist on anything. Get a grip on yourself serbia.Negotiations are long over and done with it.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I fully expect the albanians to refuse face to face negotiations. That is not their style, they prefer to have others do the negotiating for them, and to fight their wars for them.

kate

pre 16 godina

It would be much better to have monitored direct negotiations, although I fully expect the Kosovo Albanian leadership to refuse to take part. If they could get past this black and white approach towards anything to do with the Serbian leadership (which seems to border on pure hate), then perhaps something could actually be worked out.

The Serbian govt has already upset the radicals with Vuk Jeremic's suggestion of limited sovereign rights. Now is the time for the Albanians to prove that they are willing to open discussions without just coming out with soundbytes the whole time.

The Kosovo negotiating team need to step out from behind the UN and show some willing and an international standard of diplomacy.

Alex Under

pre 16 godina

This is just another absurd request to prolong the negotiations indefinitely. I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF AND BENNY
What you must understand is that it is not what US position is or that of a few EU countries. Its the position of Russia with not allowing the resolution to pass through the UN. So US is irrelevent because without comeplete EU support (73% of EU has to be for which will never happen) they will not recognise them themselves because they dont want to be stuck with the bills and with keeping their troops there for the next 100 years. So guys Serbias position is that of BLISS. Have a great day.
CCCC

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Olf,

you clearly didn't read the news at the end of July but the Ahtisaari plan was blocked - not even the need for a vote - it's gone, RIP, Kaput and bienvenue!

Thus given that this cannot pass through the UN what else do you think these "new" negotiations are going to be about other than how the Serbian province is governed under autonomy and continued Serbian sovereignity? This is the perpose of the talks and the ethnic-Albanian team have to come forward ready to negotiate for themselves!

Accept the state you are in and make the best for yourselves and the next generations - the Serbian province needs a stable and lasting resolution based on genuine compromise and reconciliation of all the Serbian citizens

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Alex Under said > I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.
(Alex Under, 3. August 2007 13:14)

My Dear Alex the Albanians had better take it seriously because the Serbs are showing the world that they are willing to compromise and should the Albanians not do the same your last remaining support for independence will slow disappear. There are many nations watching how seriously the Albanians are taking these talks anything less then cooperative will end your dreams COLD come December.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF
I love the way u replied. U clearly let me and everyone know that u have absolutely NO argument from ur side. As well as the fact that you understand my argument. I just destroyed ur dreams in 1 short paragraph and all u can say is I should be in Serbian politics. Thank you sir.

Phillip Dragisic

pre 16 godina

Message to Olf and other Albanians, the “AHTISAARI PACKAGE” is dead! What part of this phrase don’t you understand? Even Ahtisaari himself said that his plan would not pass! The might of Vladimir Putin far outweighs the power of a pen pusher like Ahtisaari. You Albanians seem to think that Ahtisaari’s opinion is the word of God. Ahtisaari is a low-level diplomat with no power. Putin has the might of Russia behind him. Do not ever forget this! I have said before, all what Putin has to do is tell the U.S. that if Serbia is bombed again, Russia will defend Serbia. If Putin does this, it is game, set and match for Serbia! The U.S. will not risk a war with Russia to defend Albanian interests. Remember Albanians, the U.S. does not care what happens to you! The U.S. does what it does for its own interests. The second that the U.S. feels like it is not in its best interest to support Albanian independence, it will throw out all the Albanians’ hopes and dreams like yesterdays newspaper.

Fred

pre 16 godina

Just wondering who is making the rules; Serbia, Contact group (CG) or Kosovars? Good start Serbia team just go for it...

Peace to Kosovo & Serbia

avi

pre 16 godina

Slobodan Samarzic should stay in Kosovo if he is the minister of Kosovo,not sure who is representig,Serbs,Abanians,Romas.
Slobodan Samarzic is absolutly joke.

kate

pre 16 godina

Ahmet - A bit of wishful thinking on your part, perhaps.

As Kosovo remains a province of Serbia and this was confirmed by the UN at the end of the 1999 conflict, Serbia actually has the greatest say in what happens to Kosovo. It's better to work with the UN and the sovereign state to reach an agreement to suit all.

Benny

pre 16 godina

It has to make one wonder why the Serbian leadership is playing for time so hard. I guess that they think that with time anything can happen and that time would cure all of their ailments.

The thing of it is that the US is not about to change their stance any time soon, nor are the other western countries of the contact group. Considering that in most likelyhood either Wesley Clark or Richard Holbrooke will become the new secretaries of state for the US, I can't see Serbia's prospects improving. But then again perhaps these leaders are just buying time until they secure their own financial futures.

Olf

pre 16 godina

K-Albanians have already negotiated earlier and come to compromise called AHTISARI PACKAGE. Ahtisari package offers a lot to Serbian minority in Kosova. Serbian politicians should've accept it in order to help Serbs tart their life in Kosova.
Kosova team will not agree to anything less that Compromise “AHTISARI PACKAGE”.
Issues to discus missing persons, return of IDP, trade relation etc , except status

C

pre 16 godina

Kate,

You seem to be assuming a model of negotiations between parties as if they have been friends and allies for centuries. You seem to be assuming a western-type rationality amongst parties involved, hoping they will come to their senses.

I think given your understandable desire to see Kosovo as part of Serbia, you are fooling yourself with a false hope that if only the Albanian side came to their senses and engaged meaningfully, a compromise would be reached. That simply goes to show that you seem unable or unwilling to understand the context in which this conflict is embedded.

You also sound very hopeless when you claim a large influence of Serbia over Kosovo. You know, Serbia's 'hold' over Kosovo rests in one thing: a sentence in resolution 1244, which is about to be trashed to the bin. You know very well that the situation on the ground is one of factual independence in Kosovo; Belgrade has not a single influence nor authority in 'its province.' No army, no police, no customs, no foreign policy, no taxes of any sort. I am really puzzled of this authority you claim Serbia has on Kosovo. You seem like you sleep with a printed copy of Resolution 1244 under your pillow. I congratulate you on that. Maybe you meant to say that Serbia is paying Kosovo's share of foreign debt - to which the Kosovars couldn't care less, which is, anyway, a use of Serbian taxpayer money for the foreign debt of what is factually a neighbouring country.

I simply don't see how any formula for the status will go against the factual situation on the ground. The formula will simply seek to reaffirm the situation in a new legal form, by giving Kosovo independence, but giving a centralized regional authority to the Kosovo Serb minority.

It's funny how Serbian offers have transformed over the past 2 decades. From suspending autonomy in late 80s and claiming it to be the cradle of their nation, to offering wide autonomy, to now offering even some sovereign attributes. Doesn't that smell like utter defeat?

Taras

pre 16 godina

Pristina University?
And that is meant to impress exactly who with regard to academic qualifications?

When are you albanians going to wake up and realise you really are not special and that your interests are yours alone.

No-one is going to war for you ever again and you certainly are in now position to do so yourselves, since the merest burp from you know will result in absolute abandonement by the west.

Your independence is doomed. It alays was. Whatever fate awaits Kosmet, it will not be the one you all expect.

fratko

pre 16 godina

diplomacy!!! it was diplomacy that got all the western democratic world to side with Kosovo. It was the wars Serbia was waging that got Serbia tagged as the black sheep of the Ballkans, and only Russia (for her own interests) wants to look as if they are siding with Serbia, using the card of international law and so on. That same international law forbids the army of a state to exterminate and ethnically cleanse territories under their control. So who broke the law first?! i ask?!

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Fratko
How about full autonomy, while under EU guard and as a comprimise "instant" entrance for all countries with Alban population in the Balkans into the EU.

SO
-Montenegro
-Macedonia
-Serbia
-Albania

While all Serb refugees are allowed to return, we will allow for Kosovo and Albania to make all sorts of diplomatic ties. As well as the ability of all Serbian and Albanian citizens in Kosovo to enjoy a promise of tax free loans from their neighbours. So as to make them feel a little bit in debt to their neighbours.

Serbia retains sovereignty as well as control over the North while the control of the mines is shared.

Basically it would be this or nothing for the Albanian side. Russia is too strong (economically) for US and EU to impose anything on them.

Beni,
You are right... but was there independence?

Edward

pre 16 godina

We all were testimony that even montenegro,having the same language,religion,history,culture and traditions,refused to live together with serbs.Why??? Now I am asking you people:Does anybody knows what is similar between serbs and k-albanians?They both are part of the same galaxy, I guess!!!

Nick

pre 16 godina

svojgazda,

You will be "suprised" to find that in fact it is the Serbian side that has little IF ANY education in politics and diplomacy, or even LAW.

Kosova Negociation Team

Fatmir Sejdiu (President of Kosova)

Graduated from the Faculty of Law at the University of Pristina and holds a PhD degree in Law. He has served as a professor at the Faculty of Law and the Faculty of Political Science at the University of Pristina.

Kole Berisha (Speaker of the Kosova Parliament)

He has a law degree from the University of Priština.

Agim Ceku (Prime Minister of Kosova)

Graduated from the Belgrade military academy and later bevame a General in the Croatian Army.

Veton Surroi (Leader of ORA Party)

Graduated at the Faculty of Philosophy and Literature of the UNAM in Mexico City, worked as a journalist in the Albanian language daily "Rilindja". His father Rexhai Surroi was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and a number of Latin American countries.

Hashim Thaqi

Studied philosophy and history at the University of Priština.

Serbian government representatives.

Boris Tadic

graduated from the University of Belgrade with a degree in pyschology. He worked as a journalist and eventually taught psychology at a Belgrade gymnasium.

Vojslav Kostunica

A law graduate from the University of Belgrade with a Ph.D. at the Faculty of Law.


Vuk Jeremic

Graduated from Queens' College, Cambridge with a degree in Theoretical Physics.

I dont know about you guys but it seems to me like the wrong people are preaching about international law. You have a Psychologist and a Physician telling law professiors what international law is. Its hilarious.

avi

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that Belgrad will do anything to procrastinate the independance of Kosovo.Doing this not that Serbia cares about Kosovo or Kosovars but it is trying to grab economical support and making a deal to joing EU.
At the momment Kosovan Serbs are victims mostly,Belgrad does not let them to take part in Kosovo's political,social and economic structures and neither let them take part or allow them to say what they want.Enyway by march 08 if not before the issue of Kosovo will be solved.
God bles Kosovo

fratko

pre 16 godina

Cvele (president of Serbia LOL)
what do you offer to Albanians in Kosovo?
How do you guarantee them that they will have a bright future in the "democratic" state of Serbia?

anti-american

pre 16 godina

EVEN russia KNOWS it.

The daily, however, states that level of compromise Serbia is prepared for will not be enough to satisfiy the Kosovo Albanians and the West.
“The steps Belgrade is taking towards the Kosovo Albanians has made the gap between their stances smaller, but Priština does not want to hear about anything less than independence, and the West does not wish to stray from Ahtisaari's proposal too much,” the daily writes.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Princip

I have been reading news in Albanian, Serbian, English as well as you postings in here. Believe me, I am still waiting for Serbia to come back to Kosova but it looks like nothing form that. Serbia has chosen a different way Europe without you and supporters like you. After all, there are many Serbs that would like to be in your situation, sitting comfortably in UK and suggesting solution for You in Balkans

Ahtisari package was the best ever solution for Serb minority in Kosova but unfortunately there are still people like some here that would like to gamble with them.

Cvele

I knew that you’ll like my suggestion for you being a minister.
As well you are right when you say that your argument left me speechless. Cvele your argument has lost me. I am still recovering

I wish all K-Albanians and Serbs very good weekend

Beni

pre 16 godina

cvele
Just to remind you that in 1999 Russia played the same role as today.
No UNSC resolution but still serbia got bombed.
Peace.

adriano

pre 16 godina

Princip and all others who claim that the ahtasaari package was destroyed, Since 99 all the news and western support has been set on independence. The UN fact finding went similar the ahtasaari package was formed because it was obviously the most sane compromise. As for negotiations it was the Serb side that didn't turn up because they thought they had everything under control. It is so easy for all you Serb diaspora to say no this and no that. But don't be surprised that even the next negotiations will bring out the same fruit. And i wouldn't be surprised that you will be here blaming the contact group, the EU, than in another couple of years the SC. Move on people.
And remember the darkest hour of the night it is before the dawn. You can keep Kosovo in paper (1244) for a little bit longer, until that too will morph like Yugoslavia.

svojgazda

pre 16 godina

Of course the Pristina team will not sit down and negotiate face-to-face. Their backgrounds are not in politics or diplomacy. The negotiations would be better off with Kurti representing the Albanians - we know his view but, at least he's educated.

K-Alb

pre 16 godina

Direct negotiations took place some time ago for 13 months, and Serbia did not take it seriously. Now they want some more??? No way!
Serbia had the chance and lost it.

Walter

pre 16 godina

Nick: Many here tell us how Kosovo Albanians were not equal citizens within Yugoslavia and Nick told us the same thing, now Nick tells us that Surroii’s father was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and Ceku was a graduate of Belgrade Military Academy. I guess education opens most doors even in old Yugoslavia. The Serbs probably paid for that free education.

As for Jeremic I think he also has a doctorate from Harvard but you know that does not compare well with the University of Pristina.. I have translated many academic credentials from the University of Pristina and even my small town university here in Canada is not impressed because they will not grant credit for any courses taken there. .

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

According to Blic, serbia will insist......
serbia is in no position to insist on anything. Get a grip on yourself serbia.Negotiations are long over and done with it.

C

pre 16 godina

Kate,

You seem to be assuming a model of negotiations between parties as if they have been friends and allies for centuries. You seem to be assuming a western-type rationality amongst parties involved, hoping they will come to their senses.

I think given your understandable desire to see Kosovo as part of Serbia, you are fooling yourself with a false hope that if only the Albanian side came to their senses and engaged meaningfully, a compromise would be reached. That simply goes to show that you seem unable or unwilling to understand the context in which this conflict is embedded.

You also sound very hopeless when you claim a large influence of Serbia over Kosovo. You know, Serbia's 'hold' over Kosovo rests in one thing: a sentence in resolution 1244, which is about to be trashed to the bin. You know very well that the situation on the ground is one of factual independence in Kosovo; Belgrade has not a single influence nor authority in 'its province.' No army, no police, no customs, no foreign policy, no taxes of any sort. I am really puzzled of this authority you claim Serbia has on Kosovo. You seem like you sleep with a printed copy of Resolution 1244 under your pillow. I congratulate you on that. Maybe you meant to say that Serbia is paying Kosovo's share of foreign debt - to which the Kosovars couldn't care less, which is, anyway, a use of Serbian taxpayer money for the foreign debt of what is factually a neighbouring country.

I simply don't see how any formula for the status will go against the factual situation on the ground. The formula will simply seek to reaffirm the situation in a new legal form, by giving Kosovo independence, but giving a centralized regional authority to the Kosovo Serb minority.

It's funny how Serbian offers have transformed over the past 2 decades. From suspending autonomy in late 80s and claiming it to be the cradle of their nation, to offering wide autonomy, to now offering even some sovereign attributes. Doesn't that smell like utter defeat?

Fred

pre 16 godina

Just wondering who is making the rules; Serbia, Contact group (CG) or Kosovars? Good start Serbia team just go for it...

Peace to Kosovo & Serbia

avi

pre 16 godina

Slobodan Samarzic should stay in Kosovo if he is the minister of Kosovo,not sure who is representig,Serbs,Abanians,Romas.
Slobodan Samarzic is absolutly joke.

kate

pre 16 godina

Ahmet - A bit of wishful thinking on your part, perhaps.

As Kosovo remains a province of Serbia and this was confirmed by the UN at the end of the 1999 conflict, Serbia actually has the greatest say in what happens to Kosovo. It's better to work with the UN and the sovereign state to reach an agreement to suit all.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I fully expect the albanians to refuse face to face negotiations. That is not their style, they prefer to have others do the negotiating for them, and to fight their wars for them.

Olf

pre 16 godina

K-Albanians have already negotiated earlier and come to compromise called AHTISARI PACKAGE. Ahtisari package offers a lot to Serbian minority in Kosova. Serbian politicians should've accept it in order to help Serbs tart their life in Kosova.
Kosova team will not agree to anything less that Compromise “AHTISARI PACKAGE”.
Issues to discus missing persons, return of IDP, trade relation etc , except status

fratko

pre 16 godina

diplomacy!!! it was diplomacy that got all the western democratic world to side with Kosovo. It was the wars Serbia was waging that got Serbia tagged as the black sheep of the Ballkans, and only Russia (for her own interests) wants to look as if they are siding with Serbia, using the card of international law and so on. That same international law forbids the army of a state to exterminate and ethnically cleanse territories under their control. So who broke the law first?! i ask?!

avi

pre 16 godina

It is obvious that Belgrad will do anything to procrastinate the independance of Kosovo.Doing this not that Serbia cares about Kosovo or Kosovars but it is trying to grab economical support and making a deal to joing EU.
At the momment Kosovan Serbs are victims mostly,Belgrad does not let them to take part in Kosovo's political,social and economic structures and neither let them take part or allow them to say what they want.Enyway by march 08 if not before the issue of Kosovo will be solved.
God bles Kosovo

kate

pre 16 godina

It would be much better to have monitored direct negotiations, although I fully expect the Kosovo Albanian leadership to refuse to take part. If they could get past this black and white approach towards anything to do with the Serbian leadership (which seems to border on pure hate), then perhaps something could actually be worked out.

The Serbian govt has already upset the radicals with Vuk Jeremic's suggestion of limited sovereign rights. Now is the time for the Albanians to prove that they are willing to open discussions without just coming out with soundbytes the whole time.

The Kosovo negotiating team need to step out from behind the UN and show some willing and an international standard of diplomacy.

Alex Under

pre 16 godina

This is just another absurd request to prolong the negotiations indefinitely. I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF AND BENNY
What you must understand is that it is not what US position is or that of a few EU countries. Its the position of Russia with not allowing the resolution to pass through the UN. So US is irrelevent because without comeplete EU support (73% of EU has to be for which will never happen) they will not recognise them themselves because they dont want to be stuck with the bills and with keeping their troops there for the next 100 years. So guys Serbias position is that of BLISS. Have a great day.
CCCC

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Olf,

you clearly didn't read the news at the end of July but the Ahtisaari plan was blocked - not even the need for a vote - it's gone, RIP, Kaput and bienvenue!

Thus given that this cannot pass through the UN what else do you think these "new" negotiations are going to be about other than how the Serbian province is governed under autonomy and continued Serbian sovereignity? This is the perpose of the talks and the ethnic-Albanian team have to come forward ready to negotiate for themselves!

Accept the state you are in and make the best for yourselves and the next generations - the Serbian province needs a stable and lasting resolution based on genuine compromise and reconciliation of all the Serbian citizens

fratko

pre 16 godina

Cvele (president of Serbia LOL)
what do you offer to Albanians in Kosovo?
How do you guarantee them that they will have a bright future in the "democratic" state of Serbia?

Olf

pre 16 godina

Princip

I have been reading news in Albanian, Serbian, English as well as you postings in here. Believe me, I am still waiting for Serbia to come back to Kosova but it looks like nothing form that. Serbia has chosen a different way Europe without you and supporters like you. After all, there are many Serbs that would like to be in your situation, sitting comfortably in UK and suggesting solution for You in Balkans

Ahtisari package was the best ever solution for Serb minority in Kosova but unfortunately there are still people like some here that would like to gamble with them.

Cvele

I knew that you’ll like my suggestion for you being a minister.
As well you are right when you say that your argument left me speechless. Cvele your argument has lost me. I am still recovering

I wish all K-Albanians and Serbs very good weekend

Beni

pre 16 godina

cvele
Just to remind you that in 1999 Russia played the same role as today.
No UNSC resolution but still serbia got bombed.
Peace.

Canadien

pre 16 godina

Alex Under said > I wonder who would be that stupid to take this seriously.
(Alex Under, 3. August 2007 13:14)

My Dear Alex the Albanians had better take it seriously because the Serbs are showing the world that they are willing to compromise and should the Albanians not do the same your last remaining support for independence will slow disappear. There are many nations watching how seriously the Albanians are taking these talks anything less then cooperative will end your dreams COLD come December.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

OLF
I love the way u replied. U clearly let me and everyone know that u have absolutely NO argument from ur side. As well as the fact that you understand my argument. I just destroyed ur dreams in 1 short paragraph and all u can say is I should be in Serbian politics. Thank you sir.

Phillip Dragisic

pre 16 godina

Message to Olf and other Albanians, the “AHTISAARI PACKAGE” is dead! What part of this phrase don’t you understand? Even Ahtisaari himself said that his plan would not pass! The might of Vladimir Putin far outweighs the power of a pen pusher like Ahtisaari. You Albanians seem to think that Ahtisaari’s opinion is the word of God. Ahtisaari is a low-level diplomat with no power. Putin has the might of Russia behind him. Do not ever forget this! I have said before, all what Putin has to do is tell the U.S. that if Serbia is bombed again, Russia will defend Serbia. If Putin does this, it is game, set and match for Serbia! The U.S. will not risk a war with Russia to defend Albanian interests. Remember Albanians, the U.S. does not care what happens to you! The U.S. does what it does for its own interests. The second that the U.S. feels like it is not in its best interest to support Albanian independence, it will throw out all the Albanians’ hopes and dreams like yesterdays newspaper.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Fratko
How about full autonomy, while under EU guard and as a comprimise "instant" entrance for all countries with Alban population in the Balkans into the EU.

SO
-Montenegro
-Macedonia
-Serbia
-Albania

While all Serb refugees are allowed to return, we will allow for Kosovo and Albania to make all sorts of diplomatic ties. As well as the ability of all Serbian and Albanian citizens in Kosovo to enjoy a promise of tax free loans from their neighbours. So as to make them feel a little bit in debt to their neighbours.

Serbia retains sovereignty as well as control over the North while the control of the mines is shared.

Basically it would be this or nothing for the Albanian side. Russia is too strong (economically) for US and EU to impose anything on them.

Beni,
You are right... but was there independence?

adriano

pre 16 godina

Princip and all others who claim that the ahtasaari package was destroyed, Since 99 all the news and western support has been set on independence. The UN fact finding went similar the ahtasaari package was formed because it was obviously the most sane compromise. As for negotiations it was the Serb side that didn't turn up because they thought they had everything under control. It is so easy for all you Serb diaspora to say no this and no that. But don't be surprised that even the next negotiations will bring out the same fruit. And i wouldn't be surprised that you will be here blaming the contact group, the EU, than in another couple of years the SC. Move on people.
And remember the darkest hour of the night it is before the dawn. You can keep Kosovo in paper (1244) for a little bit longer, until that too will morph like Yugoslavia.

K-Alb

pre 16 godina

Direct negotiations took place some time ago for 13 months, and Serbia did not take it seriously. Now they want some more??? No way!
Serbia had the chance and lost it.

Nick

pre 16 godina

svojgazda,

You will be "suprised" to find that in fact it is the Serbian side that has little IF ANY education in politics and diplomacy, or even LAW.

Kosova Negociation Team

Fatmir Sejdiu (President of Kosova)

Graduated from the Faculty of Law at the University of Pristina and holds a PhD degree in Law. He has served as a professor at the Faculty of Law and the Faculty of Political Science at the University of Pristina.

Kole Berisha (Speaker of the Kosova Parliament)

He has a law degree from the University of Priština.

Agim Ceku (Prime Minister of Kosova)

Graduated from the Belgrade military academy and later bevame a General in the Croatian Army.

Veton Surroi (Leader of ORA Party)

Graduated at the Faculty of Philosophy and Literature of the UNAM in Mexico City, worked as a journalist in the Albanian language daily "Rilindja". His father Rexhai Surroi was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and a number of Latin American countries.

Hashim Thaqi

Studied philosophy and history at the University of Priština.

Serbian government representatives.

Boris Tadic

graduated from the University of Belgrade with a degree in pyschology. He worked as a journalist and eventually taught psychology at a Belgrade gymnasium.

Vojslav Kostunica

A law graduate from the University of Belgrade with a Ph.D. at the Faculty of Law.


Vuk Jeremic

Graduated from Queens' College, Cambridge with a degree in Theoretical Physics.

I dont know about you guys but it seems to me like the wrong people are preaching about international law. You have a Psychologist and a Physician telling law professiors what international law is. Its hilarious.

Edward

pre 16 godina

We all were testimony that even montenegro,having the same language,religion,history,culture and traditions,refused to live together with serbs.Why??? Now I am asking you people:Does anybody knows what is similar between serbs and k-albanians?They both are part of the same galaxy, I guess!!!

Benny

pre 16 godina

It has to make one wonder why the Serbian leadership is playing for time so hard. I guess that they think that with time anything can happen and that time would cure all of their ailments.

The thing of it is that the US is not about to change their stance any time soon, nor are the other western countries of the contact group. Considering that in most likelyhood either Wesley Clark or Richard Holbrooke will become the new secretaries of state for the US, I can't see Serbia's prospects improving. But then again perhaps these leaders are just buying time until they secure their own financial futures.

anti-american

pre 16 godina

EVEN russia KNOWS it.

The daily, however, states that level of compromise Serbia is prepared for will not be enough to satisfiy the Kosovo Albanians and the West.
“The steps Belgrade is taking towards the Kosovo Albanians has made the gap between their stances smaller, but Priština does not want to hear about anything less than independence, and the West does not wish to stray from Ahtisaari's proposal too much,” the daily writes.

svojgazda

pre 16 godina

Of course the Pristina team will not sit down and negotiate face-to-face. Their backgrounds are not in politics or diplomacy. The negotiations would be better off with Kurti representing the Albanians - we know his view but, at least he's educated.

Taras

pre 16 godina

Pristina University?
And that is meant to impress exactly who with regard to academic qualifications?

When are you albanians going to wake up and realise you really are not special and that your interests are yours alone.

No-one is going to war for you ever again and you certainly are in now position to do so yourselves, since the merest burp from you know will result in absolute abandonement by the west.

Your independence is doomed. It alays was. Whatever fate awaits Kosmet, it will not be the one you all expect.

Walter

pre 16 godina

Nick: Many here tell us how Kosovo Albanians were not equal citizens within Yugoslavia and Nick told us the same thing, now Nick tells us that Surroii’s father was the Yugoslav ambassador to Spain and Ceku was a graduate of Belgrade Military Academy. I guess education opens most doors even in old Yugoslavia. The Serbs probably paid for that free education.

As for Jeremic I think he also has a doctorate from Harvard but you know that does not compare well with the University of Pristina.. I have translated many academic credentials from the University of Pristina and even my small town university here in Canada is not impressed because they will not grant credit for any courses taken there. .