After all the ping pong, back and forth diplomatic actions that have taken place lately regarding Kosovo's status resolution amongst the world powers, I find it difficult to believe that the outcome will be what Ahtisaari (?) proposed. There has been too much new information that has surfaced on what is actually going on in Kosovo, the ruling party's horrible inability to curb crime and human rights abuses, some suggest they are a part of this, UNMIK's miserable protection of minorities and cultural sites, the ramifications of granting the Albanians a second state in Europe (license for separtartist Albanians to pursue further demand for land in neighboring nations), not to mention the inevitable infiltration from radical Islam into a new and independent Muslim nation. The world powers are certainly aware of these circumstances yet, they are looking for the easy and quick way out, why? Why is Kosovo so much more important than other world conflict zones to the US/EU, there are regions with worse and longer historical conflicts than Kosovo, for sure. Maybe they (US/EU made promises years ago to the Albanians, although I wonder what these promises were in exchange for? For assistance in ousting Milosevic? OK, understandable. The West needed to finalize their final dismemberment of Yugoslavia. The Albanian Kosovars were certainly perfect allies for that venture. Are the EU/US politicos afraid for their own lives? Did they get funds from lobbys?
Bottom line, the US/EU made promises to the Albanians in the late 90's. Took the once al-qaeda trained and backed terrorist labelled KLA (by US State Dept.) under their wings and used them for their own pusuits. They became the perfect land army for NATO's air power. Slick Billy's greatest moment on the world stage. All the while the US was presenting a powerful media campaign of suffering Albanians, ethnically cleansed from their homeland by evil Serbian forces. It was easy, the US already gave the Serbs a bad name from the Bosnians wars. America must always justify their wars as "Good guy against the Bad Guy", so American citizens can buy it easier. Now it's time to cash the chips, and how does the US/EU explain that there is not enough in the pot to cover the bet?
Adriano wrote:
"If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence. "
Jesus!
I can´t simply believe that you really BELIEVE what you´re writing here!
Russia is against it. China is, South Africa seems to see it quite similar, don´t you think Mr. Dumisani S. Kumalo, the Ambassador of S.A. to the UN made a clear statement?
don´t you follow the statements of the UNSC-members? have you listenend to them carefully?
have you???
it just seems you didn´t.
otherwise you wouldn´t try to sell us this legend of "all against Russia" in the UNSC...
Jeton, the tanks rolled in because when a group of people take up arms against a country they live in that country responds. If Hispanics in california tried that, the U.S military would flatten any barrio.
Yes, the Jashari massacre was tragic, but these claims of 12-14,000 killed you guys keep throwing out there are laughable. The U.N. logs have nowhere near that. Here in the U.S., hundreds die of violence and our government doesn't blink an eye because they are mostly "poor" people. You guys were an excuse in a global game of Realpolitik that most of your people are not prepared for. When the E.U. and the U.S. clamp down on the "Kosova" economy, how will your people adjust? Will you give volunteers to go fight in Iraq? You know its coming, but some of you just don't see it.
adriano, how conviently you forget China, are you aware that if Russia did not stand up for Kosovo when it did then China would have or do you actually think China would go along with this nonsense? And by the way Kosovo if it ever got independence which is unlikely would depend on China very much, to deny this is foolish!
Jeton, your claim of K-Albanians having "alies comprising 95+% of the world" reminds me of the percentage of people who voted on Enver Hohxa's free elections or the claim that K-Albanians comprise 95% of Kosovo population.
Just curious, how did you get to this ludicrous number?
K-Albanians do not have 95+% of world support, neither of 95% countries, nor of 95% of world population. Not even countries supporting K-Albanian extremists comprise of 95% of world land mass.
Perhaps your definition of world and mine are different. I speak of "the third rock from the Sun".
It is enough to say that three nuclear powers are against illegal independence of "kosova", one of them the most populous democracy in the world. Against illegal independence is even the most populous Islamic country in the world.
Only mentioned above have more than 2.6 billion people (40% of world populaton) and cover more than 20% of world land mass.
Ditto for UN. K-Albanians do not have support of 182 members out of 192.
Theee is not even 95% support in UNSEC.
Countries having minorities led by terrorists and extremists are lining up to create precedent of independent "Kosova". Just kidding.
There is not even 95% support within EU.
Hovewer, 95+% number does look good, even when it is pure fabrication.
This is a message to all Serbian Citizens who are of Albanian authenticity. >
The greatest President the United States ever had once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you,... but what you can do for your country" - John F. Kennedy.
As for Serbians ruling Albanian's in Kosovo, how many times must this questioned be asked and answered, the Serbs have no interest in ruling Albanians, they will rule themselves but Kosovo will remain part of Serbia. The only way Kosovo can claim to be independent is illegally and good luck to you all then, because the result will be partition and later no recognition of the Albanian half of Kosovo in the UN, the World Bank and so on. Sound like an exciting future!
The amount of time that the cowboy actually spent with the chessmaster talking about Kosovo at their recent pow-wow in Maine(about 5 seconds)should be a good clue as to how important Kosovo is to this administration.Bush could not even get Republican Senators to go along with his immigartion reform program so what in the world makes anybody think that the Russian bear or Chinese dragon care about what he says about Kosovo.This issue means nothing to the national security of the US but very important for the national security for Russia and China(Chechnya,Taiwan,Tibet,Xinjiang just to name a few)
Or we can just go back to good old ways of serbia - get the "police" with their blue camouflage and automatic weapons on the street to beat and extort all those people who don't speak a proper language - in this case, serbian of course.
Then when there is an "insurgency", bring in the tanks, all of the army, all the police units, criminal paramilitary groups, the air force to eliminate such a threat. And if the victims just so happen to be raped, mutilated, murdered women and children as opposed to people with a proper suit and at least a distinguishable insignia, then that's fine too (how do you best protect people? By killing them of course). People's property and even cities will not be spared either, since those "terrorists" can be hiding there. It's a good way of doing things if you think about it - destroy everything so that the insurgents have nowhere to go/hide. Genius!
So what if the people in question that live in such a place have allies comprising 95+% of the world? That doesn't mean anything, since mother russia with all it's fierce and mighty rusted kalashnikovs and a lifetime supply of vodka will save the day from foreign capitalist pigs who oppose the best form of government from taking off - the Stalinist communism. And if others don't agree, some lethal dose of Polonium will take care of things beautifully.
Also, serbia will redeem itself by fighting off the international pigs for trying to "steal her land" (this last part gives me a weird deja vu...) and after it "defeats" these pigs, serbia will be the happiest utopia on the face of this miserable plant called Earth. Of course, Kosova/o "and metohija" will have "the greatest level of autonomy" to partake and have a considerable slice of this utopia (please don't ask what the utopia consists of exactly - there are no people left alive to give you an explanation. What? Where are they? Well, they must've voluntarily emigrated somewhere else, because they couldn't handle all of the good serbia was affording them! I know, I know, terrible, greedy and inferior beings!)
The end ... or is it?
(...insert hysterical laughs followed by a sad silence here...)
Sejdiu's and the US's vision of K-Albanian independance are based on the "US support of the package of Martti Ahtisaari" ...ahh, make that package deliverable to account# 239700-93457-00097 masked by code XS52-KOLER at Marti's favorite Swiss bank.
Also, what will Serbia do to make Albanians happy to be members of the Republic of Serbia? A better question is what are K-Albanians going to do to integrate with an economically and culturally forward moving country?? God helps those who help themselvers in free enteprising societies. The only assurances that are required are that entrepreneurial opportunities will be available without discrimination toward one's race, color, religion, etc.
Kosova albanians leaders who speak common sense have lost credibility while Kostunica who speak of "HOLY" war with USA is the greatest Serbian leader. When I think of Kostunica no one but Don Quixote comes to my mind, and Serbian population as his companion Sancho Panza. A Serbian Don Quixote with his “HOLY war to save Christianity against Albanian terrorist Muslim and USA imperialist “, while the true suffers are ordinary Sancho Panza’s.
Talking about credibility!
completly agree with both of you the ethnic-Albaninan leadership are rudderless without the US captain directing it. Of course they will be told that unfortunetly they must wait again since not even the US capatin can steer a course to the promise of false hopes - Ship Ahtisaari has come aground on the shores of principle and for that the UN has infact been strengthend.
All Serbian citizens in it's province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too aware that the ethnic-Albanian 'so-called' leadership are no longer credible and have done little but fatten their bank accounts at the expense of the ordinary citizen. Many are quitely stating the fact that before the KLA stirrred the ethnic tensions in the mid-90's life was indeed better then it is and has been in the last 8 years. Of course we would get the likes of Afrim and others who would deny it but it really is the fact and they are ones who with the collusion of the few who have benefited at the expense of the ordinary citizens. How many ordinary citizens in the Serbian province have non-stop access to the internet?. Let the Serbian citizens in it's province have reconciliation and economic development that they deserve and don't carry on with the lie of an undeliverable promise.
«The Kosovo President said Monday the province was “prepared to take alternative steps, in agreement with its allies.»
This is a responsible attitude. All alternative steps or measures can be taken, except violence. It is why I think that 'supervised independence' would be a rational alternative step, prior to real independence. It will show the allies an the UN how the new Gov. will deal with its minority, especially the Serbs. All Albanians have to consider that all Serbs are just as much home in Kosovo as they are.
Time will tell, but violence to achieve or stop independence is a move that would be severely sanctioned by all all nations.
If Serbia somehow can rule Kosova/o again I will congratulate them and if Kosovan Albanians will except that then there is nothing I could do about it!
Can someone from all commentators here explain to me or Kosovan Albanians in details how they are going to keep Kosovan Albanians happy in the future,please do so,otherwise can you please stop mocking about!!!
There are no "alternate steps" for the resolution of the Kosovo debacle. There are only three options
1. Status quos i.e. nothing changes
2. A resolution passes through UNSC
3. Pristina and Belgrade come to an agreement between themselves without external influence and present a joint plan to the world.
There can be no unilateral anything by anyone and a return to violence is utterly pointless.
If the K.Alb leadership are genuinely concerned about the future of the people living in Kosovo then they should send their negotiating team to belgrade to find a compromise deal. That is the only place where a passable deal can be made.
Jovan
When you have only 1 country blocking further progress to a resolution,there might be a hicks up, But when you have a country that advised the UN on a fact finding mission, and advised for more dialogue,all ending with the independence as a fair solution judging from the Yugoslav domino effect. Now that they are all done, this country has nothing to offer any more, no fresh ideas, just holding hostage the UNSC,
If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence.
And since kosovo has the support of the 14 of 15 SC votes + a great deal of country's that would trade with kosovo, Nato for protection, EU as a guide, America as an ally, Australia and Canada as a sponsor. Lets not forget the middle east. Kosovo has no real conection with russia so they dont require the blessing of a country that never did anything or would do anything for them. And precisely thats why everything its in the right way. You are the one pretending that you will have your cake and eat it two.
I hope you wake up Jovan, The EU is giving all the chances to Russia so the independence can be clear cut deal, but Russia is stubborn enough to think the EU is weak that's why they are giving in to its demands, but the EU is the EU buddy, and kosovo is an EU question, not another Russian satellite state.
Ceku, Thaci and company have no moves left. Now they are talking about July 23 and a visit to Washington as if its going to change things. I cannot believe how long these people are prepared to draw this nonsense out before they finally tell their people that Independence is no longer a reality. It is pretty clear to anyone who has common sense that its not going to happen. What is happening now to the Albanian people of Kosovo is not fair, they deserve to hear the truth from their leaders and America.
Jovan
When you have only 1 country blocking further progress to a resolution,there might be a hicks up, But when you have a country that advised the UN on a fact finding mission, and advised for more dialogue,all ending with the independence as a fair solution judging from the Yugoslav domino effect. Now that they are all done, this country has nothing to offer any more, no fresh ideas, just holding hostage the UNSC,
If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence.
And since kosovo has the support of the 14 of 15 SC votes + a great deal of country's that would trade with kosovo, Nato for protection, EU as a guide, America as an ally, Australia and Canada as a sponsor. Lets not forget the middle east. Kosovo has no real conection with russia so they dont require the blessing of a country that never did anything or would do anything for them. And precisely thats why everything its in the right way. You are the one pretending that you will have your cake and eat it two.
I hope you wake up Jovan, The EU is giving all the chances to Russia so the independence can be clear cut deal, but Russia is stubborn enough to think the EU is weak that's why they are giving in to its demands, but the EU is the EU buddy, and kosovo is an EU question, not another Russian satellite state.
Ceku, Thaci and company have no moves left. Now they are talking about July 23 and a visit to Washington as if its going to change things. I cannot believe how long these people are prepared to draw this nonsense out before they finally tell their people that Independence is no longer a reality. It is pretty clear to anyone who has common sense that its not going to happen. What is happening now to the Albanian people of Kosovo is not fair, they deserve to hear the truth from their leaders and America.
The amount of time that the cowboy actually spent with the chessmaster talking about Kosovo at their recent pow-wow in Maine(about 5 seconds)should be a good clue as to how important Kosovo is to this administration.Bush could not even get Republican Senators to go along with his immigartion reform program so what in the world makes anybody think that the Russian bear or Chinese dragon care about what he says about Kosovo.This issue means nothing to the national security of the US but very important for the national security for Russia and China(Chechnya,Taiwan,Tibet,Xinjiang just to name a few)
«The Kosovo President said Monday the province was “prepared to take alternative steps, in agreement with its allies.»
This is a responsible attitude. All alternative steps or measures can be taken, except violence. It is why I think that 'supervised independence' would be a rational alternative step, prior to real independence. It will show the allies an the UN how the new Gov. will deal with its minority, especially the Serbs. All Albanians have to consider that all Serbs are just as much home in Kosovo as they are.
Time will tell, but violence to achieve or stop independence is a move that would be severely sanctioned by all all nations.
If Serbia somehow can rule Kosova/o again I will congratulate them and if Kosovan Albanians will except that then there is nothing I could do about it!
Can someone from all commentators here explain to me or Kosovan Albanians in details how they are going to keep Kosovan Albanians happy in the future,please do so,otherwise can you please stop mocking about!!!
There are no "alternate steps" for the resolution of the Kosovo debacle. There are only three options
1. Status quos i.e. nothing changes
2. A resolution passes through UNSC
3. Pristina and Belgrade come to an agreement between themselves without external influence and present a joint plan to the world.
There can be no unilateral anything by anyone and a return to violence is utterly pointless.
If the K.Alb leadership are genuinely concerned about the future of the people living in Kosovo then they should send their negotiating team to belgrade to find a compromise deal. That is the only place where a passable deal can be made.
completly agree with both of you the ethnic-Albaninan leadership are rudderless without the US captain directing it. Of course they will be told that unfortunetly they must wait again since not even the US capatin can steer a course to the promise of false hopes - Ship Ahtisaari has come aground on the shores of principle and for that the UN has infact been strengthend.
All Serbian citizens in it's province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too aware that the ethnic-Albanian 'so-called' leadership are no longer credible and have done little but fatten their bank accounts at the expense of the ordinary citizen. Many are quitely stating the fact that before the KLA stirrred the ethnic tensions in the mid-90's life was indeed better then it is and has been in the last 8 years. Of course we would get the likes of Afrim and others who would deny it but it really is the fact and they are ones who with the collusion of the few who have benefited at the expense of the ordinary citizens. How many ordinary citizens in the Serbian province have non-stop access to the internet?. Let the Serbian citizens in it's province have reconciliation and economic development that they deserve and don't carry on with the lie of an undeliverable promise.
Or we can just go back to good old ways of serbia - get the "police" with their blue camouflage and automatic weapons on the street to beat and extort all those people who don't speak a proper language - in this case, serbian of course.
Then when there is an "insurgency", bring in the tanks, all of the army, all the police units, criminal paramilitary groups, the air force to eliminate such a threat. And if the victims just so happen to be raped, mutilated, murdered women and children as opposed to people with a proper suit and at least a distinguishable insignia, then that's fine too (how do you best protect people? By killing them of course). People's property and even cities will not be spared either, since those "terrorists" can be hiding there. It's a good way of doing things if you think about it - destroy everything so that the insurgents have nowhere to go/hide. Genius!
So what if the people in question that live in such a place have allies comprising 95+% of the world? That doesn't mean anything, since mother russia with all it's fierce and mighty rusted kalashnikovs and a lifetime supply of vodka will save the day from foreign capitalist pigs who oppose the best form of government from taking off - the Stalinist communism. And if others don't agree, some lethal dose of Polonium will take care of things beautifully.
Also, serbia will redeem itself by fighting off the international pigs for trying to "steal her land" (this last part gives me a weird deja vu...) and after it "defeats" these pigs, serbia will be the happiest utopia on the face of this miserable plant called Earth. Of course, Kosova/o "and metohija" will have "the greatest level of autonomy" to partake and have a considerable slice of this utopia (please don't ask what the utopia consists of exactly - there are no people left alive to give you an explanation. What? Where are they? Well, they must've voluntarily emigrated somewhere else, because they couldn't handle all of the good serbia was affording them! I know, I know, terrible, greedy and inferior beings!)
The end ... or is it?
(...insert hysterical laughs followed by a sad silence here...)
Kosova albanians leaders who speak common sense have lost credibility while Kostunica who speak of "HOLY" war with USA is the greatest Serbian leader. When I think of Kostunica no one but Don Quixote comes to my mind, and Serbian population as his companion Sancho Panza. A Serbian Don Quixote with his “HOLY war to save Christianity against Albanian terrorist Muslim and USA imperialist “, while the true suffers are ordinary Sancho Panza’s.
Talking about credibility!
Sejdiu's and the US's vision of K-Albanian independance are based on the "US support of the package of Martti Ahtisaari" ...ahh, make that package deliverable to account# 239700-93457-00097 masked by code XS52-KOLER at Marti's favorite Swiss bank.
Also, what will Serbia do to make Albanians happy to be members of the Republic of Serbia? A better question is what are K-Albanians going to do to integrate with an economically and culturally forward moving country?? God helps those who help themselvers in free enteprising societies. The only assurances that are required are that entrepreneurial opportunities will be available without discrimination toward one's race, color, religion, etc.
This is a message to all Serbian Citizens who are of Albanian authenticity. >
The greatest President the United States ever had once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you,... but what you can do for your country" - John F. Kennedy.
As for Serbians ruling Albanian's in Kosovo, how many times must this questioned be asked and answered, the Serbs have no interest in ruling Albanians, they will rule themselves but Kosovo will remain part of Serbia. The only way Kosovo can claim to be independent is illegally and good luck to you all then, because the result will be partition and later no recognition of the Albanian half of Kosovo in the UN, the World Bank and so on. Sound like an exciting future!
Adriano wrote:
"If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence. "
Jesus!
I can´t simply believe that you really BELIEVE what you´re writing here!
Russia is against it. China is, South Africa seems to see it quite similar, don´t you think Mr. Dumisani S. Kumalo, the Ambassador of S.A. to the UN made a clear statement?
don´t you follow the statements of the UNSC-members? have you listenend to them carefully?
have you???
it just seems you didn´t.
otherwise you wouldn´t try to sell us this legend of "all against Russia" in the UNSC...
adriano, how conviently you forget China, are you aware that if Russia did not stand up for Kosovo when it did then China would have or do you actually think China would go along with this nonsense? And by the way Kosovo if it ever got independence which is unlikely would depend on China very much, to deny this is foolish!
Jeton, the tanks rolled in because when a group of people take up arms against a country they live in that country responds. If Hispanics in california tried that, the U.S military would flatten any barrio.
Yes, the Jashari massacre was tragic, but these claims of 12-14,000 killed you guys keep throwing out there are laughable. The U.N. logs have nowhere near that. Here in the U.S., hundreds die of violence and our government doesn't blink an eye because they are mostly "poor" people. You guys were an excuse in a global game of Realpolitik that most of your people are not prepared for. When the E.U. and the U.S. clamp down on the "Kosova" economy, how will your people adjust? Will you give volunteers to go fight in Iraq? You know its coming, but some of you just don't see it.
After all the ping pong, back and forth diplomatic actions that have taken place lately regarding Kosovo's status resolution amongst the world powers, I find it difficult to believe that the outcome will be what Ahtisaari (?) proposed. There has been too much new information that has surfaced on what is actually going on in Kosovo, the ruling party's horrible inability to curb crime and human rights abuses, some suggest they are a part of this, UNMIK's miserable protection of minorities and cultural sites, the ramifications of granting the Albanians a second state in Europe (license for separtartist Albanians to pursue further demand for land in neighboring nations), not to mention the inevitable infiltration from radical Islam into a new and independent Muslim nation. The world powers are certainly aware of these circumstances yet, they are looking for the easy and quick way out, why? Why is Kosovo so much more important than other world conflict zones to the US/EU, there are regions with worse and longer historical conflicts than Kosovo, for sure. Maybe they (US/EU made promises years ago to the Albanians, although I wonder what these promises were in exchange for? For assistance in ousting Milosevic? OK, understandable. The West needed to finalize their final dismemberment of Yugoslavia. The Albanian Kosovars were certainly perfect allies for that venture. Are the EU/US politicos afraid for their own lives? Did they get funds from lobbys?
Bottom line, the US/EU made promises to the Albanians in the late 90's. Took the once al-qaeda trained and backed terrorist labelled KLA (by US State Dept.) under their wings and used them for their own pusuits. They became the perfect land army for NATO's air power. Slick Billy's greatest moment on the world stage. All the while the US was presenting a powerful media campaign of suffering Albanians, ethnically cleansed from their homeland by evil Serbian forces. It was easy, the US already gave the Serbs a bad name from the Bosnians wars. America must always justify their wars as "Good guy against the Bad Guy", so American citizens can buy it easier. Now it's time to cash the chips, and how does the US/EU explain that there is not enough in the pot to cover the bet?
Jeton, your claim of K-Albanians having "alies comprising 95+% of the world" reminds me of the percentage of people who voted on Enver Hohxa's free elections or the claim that K-Albanians comprise 95% of Kosovo population.
Just curious, how did you get to this ludicrous number?
K-Albanians do not have 95+% of world support, neither of 95% countries, nor of 95% of world population. Not even countries supporting K-Albanian extremists comprise of 95% of world land mass.
Perhaps your definition of world and mine are different. I speak of "the third rock from the Sun".
It is enough to say that three nuclear powers are against illegal independence of "kosova", one of them the most populous democracy in the world. Against illegal independence is even the most populous Islamic country in the world.
Only mentioned above have more than 2.6 billion people (40% of world populaton) and cover more than 20% of world land mass.
Ditto for UN. K-Albanians do not have support of 182 members out of 192.
Theee is not even 95% support in UNSEC.
Countries having minorities led by terrorists and extremists are lining up to create precedent of independent "Kosova". Just kidding.
There is not even 95% support within EU.
Hovewer, 95+% number does look good, even when it is pure fabrication.
Ceku, Thaci and company have no moves left. Now they are talking about July 23 and a visit to Washington as if its going to change things. I cannot believe how long these people are prepared to draw this nonsense out before they finally tell their people that Independence is no longer a reality. It is pretty clear to anyone who has common sense that its not going to happen. What is happening now to the Albanian people of Kosovo is not fair, they deserve to hear the truth from their leaders and America.
There are no "alternate steps" for the resolution of the Kosovo debacle. There are only three options
1. Status quos i.e. nothing changes
2. A resolution passes through UNSC
3. Pristina and Belgrade come to an agreement between themselves without external influence and present a joint plan to the world.
There can be no unilateral anything by anyone and a return to violence is utterly pointless.
If the K.Alb leadership are genuinely concerned about the future of the people living in Kosovo then they should send their negotiating team to belgrade to find a compromise deal. That is the only place where a passable deal can be made.
completly agree with both of you the ethnic-Albaninan leadership are rudderless without the US captain directing it. Of course they will be told that unfortunetly they must wait again since not even the US capatin can steer a course to the promise of false hopes - Ship Ahtisaari has come aground on the shores of principle and for that the UN has infact been strengthend.
All Serbian citizens in it's province of Kosovo & Metohija are only too aware that the ethnic-Albanian 'so-called' leadership are no longer credible and have done little but fatten their bank accounts at the expense of the ordinary citizen. Many are quitely stating the fact that before the KLA stirrred the ethnic tensions in the mid-90's life was indeed better then it is and has been in the last 8 years. Of course we would get the likes of Afrim and others who would deny it but it really is the fact and they are ones who with the collusion of the few who have benefited at the expense of the ordinary citizens. How many ordinary citizens in the Serbian province have non-stop access to the internet?. Let the Serbian citizens in it's province have reconciliation and economic development that they deserve and don't carry on with the lie of an undeliverable promise.
Kosova albanians leaders who speak common sense have lost credibility while Kostunica who speak of "HOLY" war with USA is the greatest Serbian leader. When I think of Kostunica no one but Don Quixote comes to my mind, and Serbian population as his companion Sancho Panza. A Serbian Don Quixote with his “HOLY war to save Christianity against Albanian terrorist Muslim and USA imperialist “, while the true suffers are ordinary Sancho Panza’s.
Talking about credibility!
Or we can just go back to good old ways of serbia - get the "police" with their blue camouflage and automatic weapons on the street to beat and extort all those people who don't speak a proper language - in this case, serbian of course.
Then when there is an "insurgency", bring in the tanks, all of the army, all the police units, criminal paramilitary groups, the air force to eliminate such a threat. And if the victims just so happen to be raped, mutilated, murdered women and children as opposed to people with a proper suit and at least a distinguishable insignia, then that's fine too (how do you best protect people? By killing them of course). People's property and even cities will not be spared either, since those "terrorists" can be hiding there. It's a good way of doing things if you think about it - destroy everything so that the insurgents have nowhere to go/hide. Genius!
So what if the people in question that live in such a place have allies comprising 95+% of the world? That doesn't mean anything, since mother russia with all it's fierce and mighty rusted kalashnikovs and a lifetime supply of vodka will save the day from foreign capitalist pigs who oppose the best form of government from taking off - the Stalinist communism. And if others don't agree, some lethal dose of Polonium will take care of things beautifully.
Also, serbia will redeem itself by fighting off the international pigs for trying to "steal her land" (this last part gives me a weird deja vu...) and after it "defeats" these pigs, serbia will be the happiest utopia on the face of this miserable plant called Earth. Of course, Kosova/o "and metohija" will have "the greatest level of autonomy" to partake and have a considerable slice of this utopia (please don't ask what the utopia consists of exactly - there are no people left alive to give you an explanation. What? Where are they? Well, they must've voluntarily emigrated somewhere else, because they couldn't handle all of the good serbia was affording them! I know, I know, terrible, greedy and inferior beings!)
The end ... or is it?
(...insert hysterical laughs followed by a sad silence here...)
Jovan
When you have only 1 country blocking further progress to a resolution,there might be a hicks up, But when you have a country that advised the UN on a fact finding mission, and advised for more dialogue,all ending with the independence as a fair solution judging from the Yugoslav domino effect. Now that they are all done, this country has nothing to offer any more, no fresh ideas, just holding hostage the UNSC,
If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence.
And since kosovo has the support of the 14 of 15 SC votes + a great deal of country's that would trade with kosovo, Nato for protection, EU as a guide, America as an ally, Australia and Canada as a sponsor. Lets not forget the middle east. Kosovo has no real conection with russia so they dont require the blessing of a country that never did anything or would do anything for them. And precisely thats why everything its in the right way. You are the one pretending that you will have your cake and eat it two.
I hope you wake up Jovan, The EU is giving all the chances to Russia so the independence can be clear cut deal, but Russia is stubborn enough to think the EU is weak that's why they are giving in to its demands, but the EU is the EU buddy, and kosovo is an EU question, not another Russian satellite state.
«The Kosovo President said Monday the province was “prepared to take alternative steps, in agreement with its allies.»
This is a responsible attitude. All alternative steps or measures can be taken, except violence. It is why I think that 'supervised independence' would be a rational alternative step, prior to real independence. It will show the allies an the UN how the new Gov. will deal with its minority, especially the Serbs. All Albanians have to consider that all Serbs are just as much home in Kosovo as they are.
Time will tell, but violence to achieve or stop independence is a move that would be severely sanctioned by all all nations.
If Serbia somehow can rule Kosova/o again I will congratulate them and if Kosovan Albanians will except that then there is nothing I could do about it!
Can someone from all commentators here explain to me or Kosovan Albanians in details how they are going to keep Kosovan Albanians happy in the future,please do so,otherwise can you please stop mocking about!!!
Sejdiu's and the US's vision of K-Albanian independance are based on the "US support of the package of Martti Ahtisaari" ...ahh, make that package deliverable to account# 239700-93457-00097 masked by code XS52-KOLER at Marti's favorite Swiss bank.
Also, what will Serbia do to make Albanians happy to be members of the Republic of Serbia? A better question is what are K-Albanians going to do to integrate with an economically and culturally forward moving country?? God helps those who help themselvers in free enteprising societies. The only assurances that are required are that entrepreneurial opportunities will be available without discrimination toward one's race, color, religion, etc.
The amount of time that the cowboy actually spent with the chessmaster talking about Kosovo at their recent pow-wow in Maine(about 5 seconds)should be a good clue as to how important Kosovo is to this administration.Bush could not even get Republican Senators to go along with his immigartion reform program so what in the world makes anybody think that the Russian bear or Chinese dragon care about what he says about Kosovo.This issue means nothing to the national security of the US but very important for the national security for Russia and China(Chechnya,Taiwan,Tibet,Xinjiang just to name a few)
This is a message to all Serbian Citizens who are of Albanian authenticity. >
The greatest President the United States ever had once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you,... but what you can do for your country" - John F. Kennedy.
As for Serbians ruling Albanian's in Kosovo, how many times must this questioned be asked and answered, the Serbs have no interest in ruling Albanians, they will rule themselves but Kosovo will remain part of Serbia. The only way Kosovo can claim to be independent is illegally and good luck to you all then, because the result will be partition and later no recognition of the Albanian half of Kosovo in the UN, the World Bank and so on. Sound like an exciting future!
Jeton, your claim of K-Albanians having "alies comprising 95+% of the world" reminds me of the percentage of people who voted on Enver Hohxa's free elections or the claim that K-Albanians comprise 95% of Kosovo population.
Just curious, how did you get to this ludicrous number?
K-Albanians do not have 95+% of world support, neither of 95% countries, nor of 95% of world population. Not even countries supporting K-Albanian extremists comprise of 95% of world land mass.
Perhaps your definition of world and mine are different. I speak of "the third rock from the Sun".
It is enough to say that three nuclear powers are against illegal independence of "kosova", one of them the most populous democracy in the world. Against illegal independence is even the most populous Islamic country in the world.
Only mentioned above have more than 2.6 billion people (40% of world populaton) and cover more than 20% of world land mass.
Ditto for UN. K-Albanians do not have support of 182 members out of 192.
Theee is not even 95% support in UNSEC.
Countries having minorities led by terrorists and extremists are lining up to create precedent of independent "Kosova". Just kidding.
There is not even 95% support within EU.
Hovewer, 95+% number does look good, even when it is pure fabrication.
adriano, how conviently you forget China, are you aware that if Russia did not stand up for Kosovo when it did then China would have or do you actually think China would go along with this nonsense? And by the way Kosovo if it ever got independence which is unlikely would depend on China very much, to deny this is foolish!
Jeton, the tanks rolled in because when a group of people take up arms against a country they live in that country responds. If Hispanics in california tried that, the U.S military would flatten any barrio.
Yes, the Jashari massacre was tragic, but these claims of 12-14,000 killed you guys keep throwing out there are laughable. The U.N. logs have nowhere near that. Here in the U.S., hundreds die of violence and our government doesn't blink an eye because they are mostly "poor" people. You guys were an excuse in a global game of Realpolitik that most of your people are not prepared for. When the E.U. and the U.S. clamp down on the "Kosova" economy, how will your people adjust? Will you give volunteers to go fight in Iraq? You know its coming, but some of you just don't see it.
Adriano wrote:
"If you did not get it yet, the other 14 country's are in favour of the independence. "
Jesus!
I can´t simply believe that you really BELIEVE what you´re writing here!
Russia is against it. China is, South Africa seems to see it quite similar, don´t you think Mr. Dumisani S. Kumalo, the Ambassador of S.A. to the UN made a clear statement?
don´t you follow the statements of the UNSC-members? have you listenend to them carefully?
have you???
it just seems you didn´t.
otherwise you wouldn´t try to sell us this legend of "all against Russia" in the UNSC...
After all the ping pong, back and forth diplomatic actions that have taken place lately regarding Kosovo's status resolution amongst the world powers, I find it difficult to believe that the outcome will be what Ahtisaari (?) proposed. There has been too much new information that has surfaced on what is actually going on in Kosovo, the ruling party's horrible inability to curb crime and human rights abuses, some suggest they are a part of this, UNMIK's miserable protection of minorities and cultural sites, the ramifications of granting the Albanians a second state in Europe (license for separtartist Albanians to pursue further demand for land in neighboring nations), not to mention the inevitable infiltration from radical Islam into a new and independent Muslim nation. The world powers are certainly aware of these circumstances yet, they are looking for the easy and quick way out, why? Why is Kosovo so much more important than other world conflict zones to the US/EU, there are regions with worse and longer historical conflicts than Kosovo, for sure. Maybe they (US/EU made promises years ago to the Albanians, although I wonder what these promises were in exchange for? For assistance in ousting Milosevic? OK, understandable. The West needed to finalize their final dismemberment of Yugoslavia. The Albanian Kosovars were certainly perfect allies for that venture. Are the EU/US politicos afraid for their own lives? Did they get funds from lobbys?
Bottom line, the US/EU made promises to the Albanians in the late 90's. Took the once al-qaeda trained and backed terrorist labelled KLA (by US State Dept.) under their wings and used them for their own pusuits. They became the perfect land army for NATO's air power. Slick Billy's greatest moment on the world stage. All the while the US was presenting a powerful media campaign of suffering Albanians, ethnically cleansed from their homeland by evil Serbian forces. It was easy, the US already gave the Serbs a bad name from the Bosnians wars. America must always justify their wars as "Good guy against the Bad Guy", so American citizens can buy it easier. Now it's time to cash the chips, and how does the US/EU explain that there is not enough in the pot to cover the bet?
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