EU opposes unilateral Kosovo moves

Against partition;

"first and foremost due to the danger of further Balkanizing the Balkans. "

In which case that logic concludes that there should be no Partition of the UN recognised state of Serbia - for the same rationale.

Thus the talks on how the Serbian province is adminstered under autonomy need to begin so that all can progress and reconcialtion begin!

- Looks like the EU will spearhead the creation of a compromise over the next 4-6 months along these lines.

As a moderate Serb I am amazed how some of the posters on the pro-Serbian side really believe independence will not occur for Kosovo/a. The time has come to abandon these dreams of holding onto Kosovo, EU Membership is far more important. There is no hope of controling 2 million Albanians any longer. Let them have their independence and be done with it. There are far more pressing issues for Serbia. We must now look to and work for a better future. This is the only rational solution.

partition would mean giving in to the use of ( albanian ) force and the ideology of "greater albania".

there is no need for partition at all. it´s serbian territory and the US should not underestimate serbian resolve to protect it.

broad autonomy under international supervision is the only possible, peaceful solution.

Yes Jovan, If you say so. The US and the EU will surely lisen to you.

jovan
firstly don't be scared of greater albania,it wont happen. As all the albanians want to join Europe, the place they belong and not to isolate them selfs with greater things. we think the only great thing is the unification with europe.
secondly "there is no need for partition at all. it´s serbian territory and the US should not underestimate serbian resolve to protect it." So are you saying you would go to protect the kosovo locals against the US, if the US gives the land to Kosovo?
And thirdly "broad autonomy under international supervision is the only possible, peaceful solution." So are you relying on Nato to protect Kosovo in case belgrade decides to repeat their military campaign?
Man i don't get your logic, but i am sure you are not too close to kosovo neither serbia. Anyway take it easy people. I recommend a shot of rakia from all the neighbors of kosovo for the independence, cheers

I would like to tell you guys a story about religious sutes: As teenager i remeber very well that Deqani Monastery and Peja Patriarch were nothing but tourist atraction. I have never seen a serb or anybody else prying there, only torists taking pictures. Now, all of suden they are the craddle of serbia.
By the way I was there with former police cimmissioner and i asked Father Sava , which I have alot of respect but I told him strait out that as a kid when school was bringing me on summer camp above the monastery during 1970 Th I do not remeber thiese walls and annexes around the Monastery. He answered me that the base was underground and at that time archiologist did not even dig out the ground but thanks to millosheviq and we found that this Monastery had other annexed ajoined to to Monastery. Now, think for a moment what all this means.

"Asked to comment on rumors that Kosovo could be split between Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians, the diplomats replied that the EU is against doing so for a variety of reasons, first and foremost due to the danger of further Balkanizing the Balkans.

They also ruled out that a split could bring a federation of Albania and one part of the province, while the other would be merged with Serbia. "

What does the EU mean "further balkanizing the balkans"? Its an oxymoron of a term if you ask me.

Partition is actually a practical solution in which K-Serbs would feel secure with Belgrade and K-Albanians will achieve their dreams immediately.

Seems to me the price the International Community is placing upon Partition is the ability for Kosovo to join with Albania proper, NOT trade for Presevo. Which is the starting position of many Albanians here. This may very well be as a result of the violence of 2004 and the abandonment of Standards Before Status. Its silly to assume only the Serbs would be punished for engaging in such types of actions.

This is a good thing. We now have issues and regions to negotiate over and might possibly find a true compromise that ensures the future stability of the region.

Both Partition and Independence has the chance to further destabilize the region. At least with Partition, you will have an agreed upon solution supported by the whole UNSC, a positive precedent that will actually help in solving future problems in that area.

As I’ve said before, its silly to assume there will never be further Balkanization of the Balkans, of course there will. Its just a matter of finding a way that the least destructive.

http://www.progress.org/2007/fold516.htm
Above is a link to a very good editorial. I wish the West would stop and think for a moment of what they are trying to create. Are they placing their own interersts in front of the people that actually will live there?

Not only SHOULD the future of Kosovo be discussed through the UN, it should be the ONLY way. Any attempt at unilateral declaration should immediately nullify any and all support other states may give Pristina. It needs to be made loud and clear that unilaterialism will destroy any goodwill the West may have for Albanian self-determination, and jeopardize any economic plans for investment and reconstruction. After nearly 15 years of bypassing the UN, it's time we bring discussion back within an international medium, and even though the UN is far from perfect, this is a new state we're talking about, something that warrants international arbitration.

As far as merging a partitioned Kosovo within Serbia and Albania, I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. Better to expand the territory of two states than carve out a small, unstable statelet and leave the EU with another mouth to feed. I actually think the Serb monasteries could be BETTER protected in Albania, than left alone in Kosovo. I really think it's time to start looking into alternative outcomes to Kosovo's sovereignty: incorporation into neighboring countries, Hong Kong status within Serbia, or a single, independent state federated between Pristina and North Mitrovica.

As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about. Isufi. Why not try and write in plain English instead of riddles? http://www.progress.org/2007/fold516.htm
Click the link Isufi, and see how a logical person sees the situation in Kosovo.

The EU must start taking initiative for a change.

In a court of law Kosovo's right to seceede based supercedes that of Serbia's sovereignty.

However we're not dealing with two plaintiffs here. We're dealing with two nations who have fought at least 6 times over Kosovo during the past century.

Olli Rehn needs to start thinking now how to avoid the most terrible mess EU will ever be in.

Ahmet, I can't really understand what your meant in the secnd part of your comment about underground buildings and such, but I can address the question of why no one came ot Decani and Pec years ago, and now they're so important.

It's because under Tito's Yugoslavia, religion was largely forgotten by everyone. Yes, these monasteries were of little use beyond tourists and Byzantine historians. How many Serbs went to church every week? Probably under 5%. And how many Serbs used Decani and Pec? Very few, considering the over abundance of Albanians living in the area.

Now you wonder why the Serbs are going crazy over these same monasteries? First, I'd say there is a definite revival of religion in Serbia since 1990, some for good reasons and some for bad. But the point here is that Serbs suddenly "rediscovered" their history, their identity, and their culture apart from the old Yugoslav "Batsvo i jedintsvo" slogans. Suddenly Kosovo became critically important, and suddenly these medieval Serbian monasteries became the focal point of Serbia's origins of identity.

It's kind of like the Statue of Libery for me. I've never been there, but it holds important meaning for me as an American. Do some Serbs use religion as a political tool? Absolutely, but I think that many Serbs care to see places like Decani, Pec, and Prizren, as parts of their long history and identity, and do not want to see them destroyed, or threatened to be destroyed.

Please give me the name of ONE politician in Europe who thinks he really has a chance to stare down the judo master Vladimir Putin.Pressuring Russia?Is anybody really THAT stupid to think that this is possible in any way,shape or form in the year 2007?If there is then please tell him I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell him.Shalom

Joe, my dear, you don´t seem to get it.
as long as there is UNSC 1244 in effect, UNMIK and NATO have the duty to protect the sovereignty and integrity of the Republic of Serbia. that´s why the US are so desperately trying to get a new resolution.
if not, they are getting into trouble with the fanatized albanian street. and that´s something want to prevent of happening, quite understandable if you look on their standing in Afghanistan and Iraq. so, once again, my dear, it´s not about me...it´s about their own logic on how to get out in the best possible way. better think that over instead of trying to be sarcastic.

adriano:
if you don´t get my logic, it´s certainly not very complimentary for you. one can get the impression that you deliberately do not want to see what´s quite obvious.
writing comments about the Serbs protecting the Albanians against Nato doesn´t really help the matter, don´t you think so too?
and finally to the albanian who wants to portrait himself as a "moderate Serb":
nice try...but quite weak in regard to the credibility.

actually I am a moderate Serb, but even I think that Albanians do not have "good cards" in the play.
you are reduced to violence and the threat of violence, as we can see it very clearly in the last statements of your provisional "president" ceku...
and you know that, that´s what makes you write in that sarcastic manner, I guess.

It's time to consider partitioned autonomy. Self-government for Serbs and other minorities in the north, and self-government for Albanians and other minorities in the south.

Retiredhousewife. The Foldvary's comparison about The Battle of Kosovo and The battle of Alamo is senseless.My point is : Where do yuo line up Albanians in The Battle of Kosovo? Under Murad's command?

As a moderate Serb I am amazed how some of the posters on the pro-Serbian side really believe independence will not occur for Kosovo/a. The time has come to abandon these dreams of holding onto Kosovo, EU Membership is far more important. There is no hope of controling 2 million Albanians any longer. Let them have their independence and be done with it. There are far more pressing issues for Serbia. We must now look to and work for a better future. This is the only rational solution.

Against partition;

"first and foremost due to the danger of further Balkanizing the Balkans. "

In which case that logic concludes that there should be no Partition of the UN recognised state of Serbia - for the same rationale.

Thus the talks on how the Serbian province is adminstered under autonomy need to begin so that all can progress and reconcialtion begin!

- Looks like the EU will spearhead the creation of a compromise over the next 4-6 months along these lines.

partition would mean giving in to the use of ( albanian ) force and the ideology of "greater albania".

there is no need for partition at all. it´s serbian territory and the US should not underestimate serbian resolve to protect it.

broad autonomy under international supervision is the only possible, peaceful solution.

http://www.progress.org/2007/fold516.htm
Above is a link to a very good editorial. I wish the West would stop and think for a moment of what they are trying to create. Are they placing their own interersts in front of the people that actually will live there?

As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about. Isufi. Why not try and write in plain English instead of riddles? http://www.progress.org/2007/fold516.htm
Click the link Isufi, and see how a logical person sees the situation in Kosovo.

"Asked to comment on rumors that Kosovo could be split between Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians, the diplomats replied that the EU is against doing so for a variety of reasons, first and foremost due to the danger of further Balkanizing the Balkans.

They also ruled out that a split could bring a federation of Albania and one part of the province, while the other would be merged with Serbia. "

What does the EU mean "further balkanizing the balkans"? Its an oxymoron of a term if you ask me.

Partition is actually a practical solution in which K-Serbs would feel secure with Belgrade and K-Albanians will achieve their dreams immediately.

Not only SHOULD the future of Kosovo be discussed through the UN, it should be the ONLY way. Any attempt at unilateral declaration should immediately nullify any and all support other states may give Pristina. It needs to be made loud and clear that unilaterialism will destroy any goodwill the West may have for Albanian self-determination, and jeopardize any economic plans for investment and reconstruction. After nearly 15 years of bypassing the UN, it's time we bring discussion back within an international medium, and even though the UN is far from perfect, this is a new state we're talking about, something that warrants international arbitration.

As far as merging a partitioned Kosovo within Serbia and Albania, I actually wouldn't be opposed to that. Better to expand the territory of two states than carve out a small, unstable statelet and leave the EU with another mouth to feed. I actually think the Serb monasteries could be BETTER protected in Albania, than left alone in Kosovo. I really think it's time to start looking into alternative outcomes to Kosovo's sovereignty: incorporation into neighboring countries, Hong Kong status within Serbia, or a single, independent state federated between Pristina and North Mitrovica.

Yes Jovan, If you say so. The US and the EU will surely lisen to you.

Seems to me the price the International Community is placing upon Partition is the ability for Kosovo to join with Albania proper, NOT trade for Presevo. Which is the starting position of many Albanians here. This may very well be as a result of the violence of 2004 and the abandonment of Standards Before Status. Its silly to assume only the Serbs would be punished for engaging in such types of actions.

This is a good thing. We now have issues and regions to negotiate over and might possibly find a true compromise that ensures the future stability of the region.

Both Partition and Independence has the chance to further destabilize the region. At least with Partition, you will have an agreed upon solution supported by the whole UNSC, a positive precedent that will actually help in solving future problems in that area.

As I’ve said before, its silly to assume there will never be further Balkanization of the Balkans, of course there will. Its just a matter of finding a way that the least destructive.

jovan
firstly don't be scared of greater albania,it wont happen. As all the albanians want to join Europe, the place they belong and not to isolate them selfs with greater things. we think the only great thing is the unification with europe.
secondly "there is no need for partition at all. it´s serbian territory and the US should not underestimate serbian resolve to protect it." So are you saying you would go to protect the kosovo locals against the US, if the US gives the land to Kosovo?
And thirdly "broad autonomy under international supervision is the only possible, peaceful solution." So are you relying on Nato to protect Kosovo in case belgrade decides to repeat their military campaign?
Man i don't get your logic, but i am sure you are not too close to kosovo neither serbia. Anyway take it easy people. I recommend a shot of rakia from all the neighbors of kosovo for the independence, cheers

I would like to tell you guys a story about religious sutes: As teenager i remeber very well that Deqani Monastery and Peja Patriarch were nothing but tourist atraction. I have never seen a serb or anybody else prying there, only torists taking pictures. Now, all of suden they are the craddle of serbia.
By the way I was there with former police cimmissioner and i asked Father Sava , which I have alot of respect but I told him strait out that as a kid when school was bringing me on summer camp above the monastery during 1970 Th I do not remeber thiese walls and annexes around the Monastery. He answered me that the base was underground and at that time archiologist did not even dig out the ground but thanks to millosheviq and we found that this Monastery had other annexed ajoined to to Monastery. Now, think for a moment what all this means.

The EU must start taking initiative for a change.

In a court of law Kosovo's right to seceede based supercedes that of Serbia's sovereignty.

However we're not dealing with two plaintiffs here. We're dealing with two nations who have fought at least 6 times over Kosovo during the past century.

Olli Rehn needs to start thinking now how to avoid the most terrible mess EU will ever be in.

It's time to consider partitioned autonomy. Self-government for Serbs and other minorities in the north, and self-government for Albanians and other minorities in the south.

Ahmet, I can't really understand what your meant in the secnd part of your comment about underground buildings and such, but I can address the question of why no one came ot Decani and Pec years ago, and now they're so important.

It's because under Tito's Yugoslavia, religion was largely forgotten by everyone. Yes, these monasteries were of little use beyond tourists and Byzantine historians. How many Serbs went to church every week? Probably under 5%. And how many Serbs used Decani and Pec? Very few, considering the over abundance of Albanians living in the area.

Now you wonder why the Serbs are going crazy over these same monasteries? First, I'd say there is a definite revival of religion in Serbia since 1990, some for good reasons and some for bad. But the point here is that Serbs suddenly "rediscovered" their history, their identity, and their culture apart from the old Yugoslav "Batsvo i jedintsvo" slogans. Suddenly Kosovo became critically important, and suddenly these medieval Serbian monasteries became the focal point of Serbia's origins of identity.

It's kind of like the Statue of Libery for me. I've never been there, but it holds important meaning for me as an American. Do some Serbs use religion as a political tool? Absolutely, but I think that many Serbs care to see places like Decani, Pec, and Prizren, as parts of their long history and identity, and do not want to see them destroyed, or threatened to be destroyed.

Please give me the name of ONE politician in Europe who thinks he really has a chance to stare down the judo master Vladimir Putin.Pressuring Russia?Is anybody really THAT stupid to think that this is possible in any way,shape or form in the year 2007?If there is then please tell him I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell him.Shalom

Retiredhousewife. The Foldvary's comparison about The Battle of Kosovo and The battle of Alamo is senseless.My point is : Where do yuo line up Albanians in The Battle of Kosovo? Under Murad's command?

Joe, my dear, you don´t seem to get it.
as long as there is UNSC 1244 in effect, UNMIK and NATO have the duty to protect the sovereignty and integrity of the Republic of Serbia. that´s why the US are so desperately trying to get a new resolution.
if not, they are getting into trouble with the fanatized albanian street. and that´s something want to prevent of happening, quite understandable if you look on their standing in Afghanistan and Iraq. so, once again, my dear, it´s not about me...it´s about their own logic on how to get out in the best possible way. better think that over instead of trying to be sarcastic.

adriano:
if you don´t get my logic, it´s certainly not very complimentary for you. one can get the impression that you deliberately do not want to see what´s quite obvious.
writing comments about the Serbs protecting the Albanians against Nato doesn´t really help the matter, don´t you think so too?
and finally to the albanian who wants to portrait himself as a "moderate Serb":
nice try...but quite weak in regard to the credibility.

actually I am a moderate Serb, but even I think that Albanians do not have "good cards" in the play.
you are reduced to violence and the threat of violence, as we can see it very clearly in the last statements of your provisional "president" ceku...
and you know that, that´s what makes you write in that sarcastic manner, I guess.