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Monday, 16.07.2007.

10:07

Jeremić concludes Slovenia visit

Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić visited Slovenia Monday for talks on EU integration, Kosovo and economic cooperation.

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Cvele

pre 16 godina

Albans
We don't care if everyone left. What we cared about was theft of Serb land. Krajina and RS which were the real genocides. Montenegro got its freedom once Russia bought everything out hydro, water, hotels, food... So now the 2 most geostrategically positioned countries in the Balkans are, Serbia and Montenegro. Kosovo can not become independent through the UN because Russia needs Serbia for the gas pipe-line plans. So they will back any and all opposition of Serbs to Kosovo gaining an independent status. Most important of all without that status, EU will have no choice but to accept Serbia as it is, with its borders intact, and eventually albanians will concede to autonomy. As they say in China... the independence ship has sailed.

enzo

pre 16 godina

"The plan must also respect legitimate interests of Serbia and its citizens in Kosovo..."

I read this as a foregone conclusion that Kosovo will inevitably become independent, and that Serbia's primary responsibility should be to try and protect the interests of other Serbs who will continue to live in the new state of Kosovo. Obviously the only way to do this will be through a constructive approach of Serbia towards the Ahtisaari offer that's on the table.

In other words, Kosovo's independence in it's entirety is non-negitiable (partition may materialize in 20-25 years, but only through land swaps:ie Presevo Valley, Western Macediona, and eastern Montenegro to Albanians for Northern Kosovo and Republica Srpska to Serbia) Kosovo needs the Trepca mine to prosper economically, and just because Slobo sold it off illegally to Greece, doesn't mean a thing. The bottom line is that some form of revenue sharing from Trepca will have to be negotiated and the financial rewards realized before Kosovo let's northern Kosovo go.

It doesn't seem to me that Mr. Jeremic's hope that Slovenia "will understand" Serbia's position better than other countries because of their previous history of living in the same federation is materializing, in fact, to the contrary Slovenia seems to have already made up their mind.

adriano

pre 16 godina

princip
"what can be delayed can be denied!" is that your last hope to postpone the will of the kosovars? No longer have you faith in former resolutions or international law? Lame buddy, i expected more from you.
"Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari" Now let it be now or in a year, your delay wish to be denied wont happen, serbia can forget the crimes easyly, it can manipulate it as much as they want, but everybody is coming to the conclusion.

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Jeremic: "I said Serbia expected Slovenia to show perhaps a higher degree of understanding compared to other EU countries, considering we have a common past and the fact they are better acquainted with the delicacy of relations in the region.”

In fact, nobody in EU can understabd better than Slovenia, what it means to run away from this sinking ship, called Serbia.

When the Montenegrins packed their bags too, it should have served as a final alarm to the Serbs: "Why nobody wants to stay with us?"

However, funny enough, they continue to act as if they had nothing to do with happened around them during the last 15 years.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Princip. I believe that you wont be surprised if I do not share your pessimism on this matter. But what seems surprising though is the fact you appear to be determined in deforming and misinterpreting any news that comes in.
From every corner of the earth foreign diplomacy has been sympathetic to say at least in granting Kosova sovereignty rights. This is only a logical evolution of the internal and international legitimacy acquired on the ground. Human rights are now seen as the foundation of new threshold of national legitimacy, which in turn has been elevated in a key concern for international community. It is consecutively thought that regimes that grossly violate human rights lose their claims to legitimacy and hence their claims to political sovereignty. A regime that tyrannically suppresses individual freedoms is unable to secure popular consent, the basis of the state's legitimacy and a necessary condition for claiming the right of political sovereignty. When a sovereign’s command is applied, it requires the additional legitimacy to promote habitual obedience and I wonder how are you proposing to surpass ‘this little problem’. You and the other are fully aware that in no way can you contemplate into introducing anything associated with Serbian regime in Kosova, let alone her laws. On top of that Kosova for eight years now has been governed independently and with no relation to any Serbian law. Gone are the days of realpoliks. Times have changed and so should you.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari but most telling is;
"Rupel added that he expected the Kosovo status to be settled during Slovenia’s six-month EU presidency, which starts in January 2008."
So the timeline has not definetly slipped well into 2008 - and what can be delayed can be denied!

adriano

pre 16 godina

princip
"what can be delayed can be denied!" is that your last hope to postpone the will of the kosovars? No longer have you faith in former resolutions or international law? Lame buddy, i expected more from you.
"Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari" Now let it be now or in a year, your delay wish to be denied wont happen, serbia can forget the crimes easyly, it can manipulate it as much as they want, but everybody is coming to the conclusion.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Princip. I believe that you wont be surprised if I do not share your pessimism on this matter. But what seems surprising though is the fact you appear to be determined in deforming and misinterpreting any news that comes in.
From every corner of the earth foreign diplomacy has been sympathetic to say at least in granting Kosova sovereignty rights. This is only a logical evolution of the internal and international legitimacy acquired on the ground. Human rights are now seen as the foundation of new threshold of national legitimacy, which in turn has been elevated in a key concern for international community. It is consecutively thought that regimes that grossly violate human rights lose their claims to legitimacy and hence their claims to political sovereignty. A regime that tyrannically suppresses individual freedoms is unable to secure popular consent, the basis of the state's legitimacy and a necessary condition for claiming the right of political sovereignty. When a sovereign’s command is applied, it requires the additional legitimacy to promote habitual obedience and I wonder how are you proposing to surpass ‘this little problem’. You and the other are fully aware that in no way can you contemplate into introducing anything associated with Serbian regime in Kosova, let alone her laws. On top of that Kosova for eight years now has been governed independently and with no relation to any Serbian law. Gone are the days of realpoliks. Times have changed and so should you.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari but most telling is;
"Rupel added that he expected the Kosovo status to be settled during Slovenia’s six-month EU presidency, which starts in January 2008."
So the timeline has not definetly slipped well into 2008 - and what can be delayed can be denied!

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Jeremic: "I said Serbia expected Slovenia to show perhaps a higher degree of understanding compared to other EU countries, considering we have a common past and the fact they are better acquainted with the delicacy of relations in the region.”

In fact, nobody in EU can understabd better than Slovenia, what it means to run away from this sinking ship, called Serbia.

When the Montenegrins packed their bags too, it should have served as a final alarm to the Serbs: "Why nobody wants to stay with us?"

However, funny enough, they continue to act as if they had nothing to do with happened around them during the last 15 years.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Albans
We don't care if everyone left. What we cared about was theft of Serb land. Krajina and RS which were the real genocides. Montenegro got its freedom once Russia bought everything out hydro, water, hotels, food... So now the 2 most geostrategically positioned countries in the Balkans are, Serbia and Montenegro. Kosovo can not become independent through the UN because Russia needs Serbia for the gas pipe-line plans. So they will back any and all opposition of Serbs to Kosovo gaining an independent status. Most important of all without that status, EU will have no choice but to accept Serbia as it is, with its borders intact, and eventually albanians will concede to autonomy. As they say in China... the independence ship has sailed.

enzo

pre 16 godina

"The plan must also respect legitimate interests of Serbia and its citizens in Kosovo..."

I read this as a foregone conclusion that Kosovo will inevitably become independent, and that Serbia's primary responsibility should be to try and protect the interests of other Serbs who will continue to live in the new state of Kosovo. Obviously the only way to do this will be through a constructive approach of Serbia towards the Ahtisaari offer that's on the table.

In other words, Kosovo's independence in it's entirety is non-negitiable (partition may materialize in 20-25 years, but only through land swaps:ie Presevo Valley, Western Macediona, and eastern Montenegro to Albanians for Northern Kosovo and Republica Srpska to Serbia) Kosovo needs the Trepca mine to prosper economically, and just because Slobo sold it off illegally to Greece, doesn't mean a thing. The bottom line is that some form of revenue sharing from Trepca will have to be negotiated and the financial rewards realized before Kosovo let's northern Kosovo go.

It doesn't seem to me that Mr. Jeremic's hope that Slovenia "will understand" Serbia's position better than other countries because of their previous history of living in the same federation is materializing, in fact, to the contrary Slovenia seems to have already made up their mind.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari but most telling is;
"Rupel added that he expected the Kosovo status to be settled during Slovenia’s six-month EU presidency, which starts in January 2008."
So the timeline has not definetly slipped well into 2008 - and what can be delayed can be denied!

enzo

pre 16 godina

"The plan must also respect legitimate interests of Serbia and its citizens in Kosovo..."

I read this as a foregone conclusion that Kosovo will inevitably become independent, and that Serbia's primary responsibility should be to try and protect the interests of other Serbs who will continue to live in the new state of Kosovo. Obviously the only way to do this will be through a constructive approach of Serbia towards the Ahtisaari offer that's on the table.

In other words, Kosovo's independence in it's entirety is non-negitiable (partition may materialize in 20-25 years, but only through land swaps:ie Presevo Valley, Western Macediona, and eastern Montenegro to Albanians for Northern Kosovo and Republica Srpska to Serbia) Kosovo needs the Trepca mine to prosper economically, and just because Slobo sold it off illegally to Greece, doesn't mean a thing. The bottom line is that some form of revenue sharing from Trepca will have to be negotiated and the financial rewards realized before Kosovo let's northern Kosovo go.

It doesn't seem to me that Mr. Jeremic's hope that Slovenia "will understand" Serbia's position better than other countries because of their previous history of living in the same federation is materializing, in fact, to the contrary Slovenia seems to have already made up their mind.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

Albans
We don't care if everyone left. What we cared about was theft of Serb land. Krajina and RS which were the real genocides. Montenegro got its freedom once Russia bought everything out hydro, water, hotels, food... So now the 2 most geostrategically positioned countries in the Balkans are, Serbia and Montenegro. Kosovo can not become independent through the UN because Russia needs Serbia for the gas pipe-line plans. So they will back any and all opposition of Serbs to Kosovo gaining an independent status. Most important of all without that status, EU will have no choice but to accept Serbia as it is, with its borders intact, and eventually albanians will concede to autonomy. As they say in China... the independence ship has sailed.

adriano

pre 16 godina

princip
"what can be delayed can be denied!" is that your last hope to postpone the will of the kosovars? No longer have you faith in former resolutions or international law? Lame buddy, i expected more from you.
"Slovenia's position is backing Ahtisaari" Now let it be now or in a year, your delay wish to be denied wont happen, serbia can forget the crimes easyly, it can manipulate it as much as they want, but everybody is coming to the conclusion.

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Jeremic: "I said Serbia expected Slovenia to show perhaps a higher degree of understanding compared to other EU countries, considering we have a common past and the fact they are better acquainted with the delicacy of relations in the region.”

In fact, nobody in EU can understabd better than Slovenia, what it means to run away from this sinking ship, called Serbia.

When the Montenegrins packed their bags too, it should have served as a final alarm to the Serbs: "Why nobody wants to stay with us?"

However, funny enough, they continue to act as if they had nothing to do with happened around them during the last 15 years.

village-bey

pre 16 godina

Princip. I believe that you wont be surprised if I do not share your pessimism on this matter. But what seems surprising though is the fact you appear to be determined in deforming and misinterpreting any news that comes in.
From every corner of the earth foreign diplomacy has been sympathetic to say at least in granting Kosova sovereignty rights. This is only a logical evolution of the internal and international legitimacy acquired on the ground. Human rights are now seen as the foundation of new threshold of national legitimacy, which in turn has been elevated in a key concern for international community. It is consecutively thought that regimes that grossly violate human rights lose their claims to legitimacy and hence their claims to political sovereignty. A regime that tyrannically suppresses individual freedoms is unable to secure popular consent, the basis of the state's legitimacy and a necessary condition for claiming the right of political sovereignty. When a sovereign’s command is applied, it requires the additional legitimacy to promote habitual obedience and I wonder how are you proposing to surpass ‘this little problem’. You and the other are fully aware that in no way can you contemplate into introducing anything associated with Serbian regime in Kosova, let alone her laws. On top of that Kosova for eight years now has been governed independently and with no relation to any Serbian law. Gone are the days of realpoliks. Times have changed and so should you.