“New draft could be last chance”

It seems that there has now been an agreement to postpone any new resolution for around 6 months while there are further talks between Pristina and Belgrade. This is as a result of the US not being able to hand over Kosovo as a fait accompli, which was pretty obvious when it is enshrined as part of sovreign territory under Resolution 1244.

There has to be pressure on the Kosovo Albanian government to seriously participate in these talks and find a solution other than independence, and there has to now be a full implementation of 1244 without further delay.

"Appathurai added that NATO was ready to secure conditions necessary for preserving stability in the province and guarantee an undisturbed political process of determining its status. "
- and I am sure that Serbia is more then willing to cooperate in any way to ensure that is so.

So Kosovo will be de facto independent for the next six months.
After that period Kosovo will probably become fully independent.

KATE, where have you been before those masacres took place, lootting, burning and expeling people from their own land.You ought to know one thing; FOR K-Albaninas there is no going back, so you can dream all you want if you think serbia or a serb will rule Kosova ever again.
defacto we have been independent from serbia since june 1999, but serbia just does not get it. Its amazing

To Kate, the eternal optimist and Serb patriot: when will you finally understand that 1244 is dead and burried. There is no Yugoslavia anymore for god's sake, so how can you speak of 1244.
And you must have noticed that if there is any pressure on the government of Kosovo it usually takes the form of: "please don't declare independence unilaterally. we'll try to get you UN recognition, or just wait a while longer." Which means that the option of unilateral independence (and recognition) is very much alive. If all else fails the Albanians will settle for that, but why hurry that much if our allies are telling us to wait for a few more months? They haven't let us down until now, so we have every reason in the world to trust them. And to my Serbs friends here: Russia will be just as successful in preventing Kosovo's independence as it was in stopping NATO from bombarding. The end result will simply be that Serbia minus Kosovo will end up in the Russian sphere of influence.
And talks you say! What talks? What is there to discuss when the two sides have diametrically opposed positions? You are not from the Balkans Kate so you might not know this, but people around here are stubborn on small things, let alone when it comes to something like Kosovo which is sacred to both. So forget it: the Albanians or the Serbs will never give up on Kosovo. The only change is that we are in a much stronger position than the Serbs. Because what it boils down to is who has the strongest support and we all know who that is. Cheers!

Teni,
1244 is valid an remains valid as and until a new resolution states otherwise!
Ahmet,
in June 1999 1244 reaffirmed the territorial sovereignity of Serbia post conflict so what attacks are you talking about since then? If there are no talks then it is the same as wanting the Staus quo - & I thought we were told Staus quo was untenable - well looks like you are happy for it to continue but I doubt others are!

it´s each and everytime quite sad to see that there are so many "teni´s" on the albanian side...
convinced to be right ( as been told so for years by albanian propaganda of the worst kind )

my advise to Teni:
educate yourself on what UNSC 1244 means and how UNSC-resolutions expire,...

Princip: 1244 refers to the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia. Unless you claim that Serbia is Yugoslavia, I can't see where you base the claim on Serbia's territorial integrity.
But even if we assume for a moment that 1244 refers to Serbia, it still is dead and burried. And much good it will do when even the EU is saying that unilateral independence might be the solution. 1244 is a piece of paper and the majority of the signatories of that piece of paper don't see it as relevant anymore.
But on another issue I still have to get an answer from you or any of the Serb or pro-Serb camp here: how do you intend to control Kosovo? Let's say that the US, the EU and of course the "Ruski" say that Kosovo must remain within Serbia. What will Serbia do then? Do you really think that the Serbs in Kosovo would be any safer then? How would this benefit Serbia?
I ask this because from all I have seen and heard from the Serb government, politicians and many of the people in these discussions it looks as if the Serbs still see themselves as masters of Kosovo and of the K-Albanians and that the Albanians still hate you and will not settle for that. This does not sound like a recepy for anything but a new conflict.

Ahemt u better be in Kosovo to enforce that what you claim... because it looks like Kosovo is going back to Belgrades rule once again.

Kate I have no idea where did you get information you always talk about. For once back up your information with facts from western credible independent media not tanjug, rts, russian media , left wing conspiracy media ,.. I swear the god initially every time I read your comments I had to go and re-read every news article thinking I missed a key. You have incredible talent for making up and twisting every article you read. Climax of your imagination was when you said “It looks like Kosova Albanians don’t really want independence”!

De Hoop says it 'maybe' the last draft. Seeing as the Russians have already siad that the draft was exactly the same as Ahtisaari but covered in diplomatic wording I guess someone will need to be jumping through hoops but it is certainly not Serbia. De Hoop Schafer & NATO need to ensure they maintain their obligations to the valid resolution 1244 & which provides them legitamacy on Serbian territory least he forget!

Like the Russians said which is it to be sovereignity or self determination?

To all those hiding behind 1244:
Strange to see that because until now Serb propaganda attacked 1244 as not good and not in fovour of Serbia and Serbs. Now, when it's time to change it with something more advanced, because 1244 has been careworn, now you are all hiding behind it. This shows to me that you change as weather changes.

Teni,

you clearly have not done your homework or read these discussions very well. If you had you would know every so often someone like you comes up with the thought that 1244 refers to SFR Yugoslavia but it does not exist so neither does 1244. The contrary is the case the specific term being FR Yugoslavia (not to be confused with SFR Yugoslavia) and since 2003 FR Yugoslavia was known as the State Union of Serbia & Montenegro but since last year Republic of Serbia was and is the accepted successor state following the amicable independence of the Republic of Montenegro & Republic of Serbia. Thus 1244 is still legal and applies to the UN recognised successor of FRY which is Republic of Serbia.

I love this when it comes up again and again as it clearly shows lack of understanding and equally now that you are only too aware of the fact I am sure you cannot ignore the reality of the situation when I inform you that all citizens in the Serbian province are Serbian citizens (irrespective of ethnicity) and the sooner you respect the "rule of law" as set by the International community the sooner all can get on with making Serbia a better place!

What would you wish to offer next - an historical account of who built the Serbian Monasteries and Churches in the Serbian province perhaphs?

I keep on forgetting that NATO is a country with a seat at the UN and is qualified to provide direction on the passing of UN resolutions. de Hoop Scheffer is not a puppet for the US military and he is fully in charge of NATO and NATO is not a collective pool containing some potential non-American/cheap cannon fodder and driven by US foreign policy at all.

As there has been no regular and wanton destruction of property, houses and churches and so on, virtually under the noses of the NATO forces in Kosovo province in the 8 years that they have been there, and nobody lives in ghettoes, we don't want to see any tensions or suchlike surfacing, do we? Everyone lives in harmony and Heaven forbid that NATO should actually have to do any peacekeeping.

Laki: I never said "It looks like Kosovo Albanians don’t really want independence"!! What are you talking about?

Now please re-read my comment on this thread and tell me what exactly I said that is incorrect??

There was an announcement this morning that there would be a six month delay. See this link: http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-07-13-voa1.cfm

Laki NY
I said they dont favor independence.
I still say it because I dont buy Pristina propaganda as well as UN or NATO or all these western states that feel they can break UN any time its convinient but everyone else must follow it.

Albans showed they dont care about independence cuz they didnt show up to their own rally in Pristina. Also they realise that they will have a much better life as part of Serbia then a EU protectorate. Its as clear as daylight.

The very fact that the Ahtisaari plan requires specific protections for Serbian areas is reason enough for not giving independence - it is an admission that Kosovo would be handed over to a group who have long performed ethnic cleansing on Serbs and who cannot be trusted to run a multi-ethnic state.

The right solution will require both sides to give ground - autonomy under international guarantee would give self governance but it should also have the requirement to seek cooperation with Serbia on ethnic and econonomic issues. It is this that should be imposed by the international community.

Independence would be a reward for racism - and that is not something that the west should be condoning.

to princip
"Like the Russians said which is it to be sovereignity or self determination?"
Did he really mention this to the serbs? so witch one did you choose princip?

BoB: "Autonomy under international guarantee would give self governance but it should also have the requirement to seek cooperation with Serbia on ethnic and econonomic issues. It is this that should be imposed by the international community."

Exactly right!

What's the rush? Israel and the Palestines have been negotiating for 50 or so years, how about Northern Ireland? Western failure in the Balkans is evident to all, but to bandage it up so fast is irresponsible and may create violence. How interesting to see Russia protecting international law and the United States breaking it. A high school graduate could tell you that the only viable solution is to partion Kosovo at the Ibar river. This way the Albanians can rule themselves and the Serbs can stay with Belgrade.

To Princip: well I usually don't do any homework before commenting on this site, although certain people here probably do just that. And I do not keep any notes either.
You did read that part of my comment which said that even if 1244 refered to Serbia it was not worth the paper it is written on, but for some reason you chose not to comment on it. Your right.
It seems to me that the use of the "international community" in your comments is very inconsistent. Basically you refer to it only when it suits you, like in this comment. As far as I know most of this international community supports some sort of independence for Kosovo (unles Int.Comm = Russia,S.Africa then you are right).
But forget about that for a moment. The fact of the matter is that the K-Albanians don't feel like Serb citisens. It's that simple. All Albanians view the Serbs as an (former) occupying power and not as legitimate rulers of Kosovo. What was an act of aggression for you, was an act of liberation for us. Now we might discuss the merits of this on some other occassion, but that's the way the "Serb citisens"of Albanian ethnicity feel. This in turn means that Serb law does not mean a thing to K-Albanians. It also means that the vast majority of K-Albanians would never accept a return to Serb rule and as for making Serbia a better place...well that does not occupy a prominent place in the priorities of any Albanians. I hope you will take my word on it.
A word on the churches: I am myself an Orthodox Albanian, though not of a very religious type, and I think that many of the Serb Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are beautiful buildings and rich in history. I also know that it is nonsense to claim that the Albanians built them, there is no doubt in my mind on that. I hope that answers your question.

Cvele "Albans showed they dont care about independence cuz they didnt show up to their own rally in Pristina. Also they realise that they will have a much better life as part of Serbia then a EU protectorate. Its as clear as daylight."

this the same reasoning Kate used few days ago saying that Kosovar Albanians dont support independence. It just show how both of you are not touch with reality in ground. Ex. "NATO bombed albanians which would imply NATO soldiers rapped and murdered Albanian civilians" - your logic kindly

Cvele you challenged me to be in Kosova when serbian boots will come in to rule and I answered you but b92 decided not to post my coments. Therefore , blame b92 for not being able to see my resonse to your challenge.

Guys, there is more then obvious; NATO Secretary-General had symbolically in the most gentle manner made clear to the Serbian Foreign Minister that time is overspent, simultaneously signifying the need of keeping away from the games around settling of the status of Kosovo. In other worlds – Kosovo needs a defined status as an entity. In my opinion this is the reached hand for Serbia to join the train called Europe. Otherwise, a solution around Kosovo will happen upon. In the end if Serbia opposes the long sought status, then it will be left aside. Serbia with its stance against the entire west will be anything but part of Europe. Of course, Kosovo will at the same time become part of Europe as a recognized state. I’m not saying this for the sake of anything, but most probably it is going to happen. Even ignoring the entire list of the facts as: historical, economical, social etc. which lead to the need of the acknowledgment of reality – the fact of the latest top Serbian official’s approach (or better saying attitude) towards USA and EU lead to worsening of relations to someone who is decision-making factor, same time the richest part of the world. That part of the world is pro – Kosovo independence

Teni,

I did read your comment but disregarded it believeing that you did not prefer the alternative of a world where laws are just a piece of paper that mean nothing - I think the word anarchy sums up your vision in that case! Like I said I choose to give you the benefit of doubt & to believe you are not an anarchist who actually promotes anomie & nihilism to boot. But maybe given the further prompt then I guess this is what you are!

Regarding International community - it depends on your definition. The Kouchner narrow definition of US, UK, France & Germany or my prefered viewpoint of 'Intenational Community' - meaning the whole inclusive 192 states - there lies the difference I put down the narrow view but promote the inclusive view.

That said the other point is the crux of the matter. In all other states it is something that is seen as the rule of law and that one must "conform" to the state they are in - the fact the Serbian Albaninans choose not to nor in large part have not can in many respectes explain the underlying failure of economic development and we get back to the point that the sooner one respects the state they are in the sooner all will progress. Conforming to the state your in does not mean that your ignore your ethnicity but respect the "rule of law" that all others do. I am a British Serb just because i don't agree with everything does not mean that I can set up a seperate state - or do you think it does? In which case the future is all about out-breeding other ethnic groups and lawlessness!

Teni: "But on another issue I still have to get an answer from you or any of the Serb or pro-Serb camp here: how do you intend to control Kosovo?"

Teni, don't expect an answer from the Serbian side on this, they have a solution but they can not say it, and it is the solution they have always had regarding Kosova, ever since they invaded it in 1912. The solution is to eliminate the indigeneous population from Kosova, either through extermination or expulsion. The simple fact that they have never condemned such policies of the past, is that they want to repeat them again in the future. Kostunica is no different from Milosevic, Rankovic, Pasic, that have ruled Serbia ever since its creation.

Message to Ahmet Isufi, You stated, "FOR K-Albanians there is no going back." How wrong you are! You can go back, back to Albania. Albanians in Kosovo were never interested in assimilating into Serbian society from day one. I remember as far back as the 1970's, Serb doctors needed armed guards to venture into Albanian neighborhoods. The vast majority of Albanians were always hostile to Serbs and Serbian culture well before Milosevic came to power.

Phillip Dragisic you hit the nail on the head there!
The current situation is a result of the Serbian government not being able to control these people and not being able to protect the Serbs in Kosovo, I say shame and may in the future this injustice against Serbs be rectified.

I read this in today's international Hearld tribune a quote from Mr Surroli

"In the next round of talks, Kosovo could face two new demands: the territorial and political autonomy for Kosovo's Serbs or the territorial division of Kosovo," Surroi said in a letter obtained by the Associated Press, sent to a team of Kosovo leaders including the president and prime minister.

Such a principle, Surroi wrote, would "definitely mean violence and population displacement."

It is the first time an ethnic Albanian leader participating in negotiations has raised questions over the strategy to resolve the province's future.

So is this the way it will be in Kosovo? Read the entire article if you would like.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/13/europe/EU-GEN-Kosovo-France.php

To B92 dont delete my comment, its not offensive to anyone !
Kate I see where are you at fault! You seem to ignore anything that doesnt support your leftist or anti-albanian news. Based on your own article that you just brought it up http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-07-13-voa1.cfm


normal person would analyze it like this:
"West Agrees to Four to Six Month Delay on Deciding Kosovo's Future" ---its says four to six not SIX. Hold on that UN draft just got rejected to by Russia so your imaginary agreement for delay of future of Kosova is not valid anymore.
Furthermore read the more important news that you so nicely fail to mention, is right there in your FACE and very important

*"In Belgrade Thursday French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who was the first U.N. administrator in Kosovo, said Serbia cannot hope to deny Kosovo's independence and still expect to join the European Union."
** "Should there be no U.N. resolution, the United States has already indicated that it would recognize a declaration of Kosovo's independence. "

Now read what you wrote “There has to be pressure on the Kosovo Albanian government to seriously participate in these talks and find a solution other than independence, and there has to now be a full implementation of 1244 without further delay.”

Read under * and ** , stop it read it again and again do you see anything wrong with your assessment (propaganda) !!

Yes, Albanians have never felt the need to integrate with the Serbs in Kosova because integration would have meant assimilation. Read what Vasso Cubrilovic, Ivo Andric and others wrote about how to deal with 'the Albanian problem'. They all suggested expulsion and extermination. Apart from Nazi Germany, that is the only case in 20th century Europe where a government actively encouraged and carried out cimes against a people simply because of their ethnicity. Even the Serbian Academy of Sciences got involved in this. This reached a climax in 1999 when Milosevic and the Serb military and police tried to apply some of the above 'scientific advice when they drove over a million Albanians out of Kosova on the pretext of fighting the KLA. Over ten thousand people were killed by Serb army and paramilitary forces. Since Milosevic's downfall, the current Serbian elite has not managed to convince the Albanians or the international community that it is less nationalistic than Milosevic. Judging from Serb postings in this site, that is not likely to change for some time. The West has now understood where Serbia stands. Hopefully, an independent Kosova would encourage a national catharsis and a revision of the Serbian nationalistic myths.

I just want to ask you all something.
Do you think that if Kosovo goes back to Serbia that way Serbian minority in Kosovo is going to be safer other than Kosovo becoming independent state?

In my opinion I think that Serbs will be much safer if Kosovo become a country and they get involved in all institutions.

Another question is: Is Serbian police or military is going to protect Serbs in Kosovo if Kosovo does not become an Independent state? I don't think so!
For Serbia to gain control on Kosovo first of all they (Serbia) have to send military and police into region, and this I find it impossible to happen. We all know what happen last time they (Serbian military forces) were there. Are we ready to accept another catastrophy like that, is Europe and the rest of the world see it happen again?

«How wrong you are! You can go back, back to Albania.»

Philipp, you sound like an Indian from Canada who was telling a Quebecer to return home during a manifestation for more money. Quebecers are in Quebec since 1608 just as the Albanians are in Kosovo even before the slavic populations arruved in these regions.

Both ethnies have been there for a long time, just as the French and the English in Quebec, who live together in peace and harmony. What happened there that explain that you you don't want to live together? Could you explain?

To Ahmet Isufi ~

You have proven through your posts that you have no intention of being anything other than hostile and have continued to show the albanians as the ones that are suffering. I suggest you take a moment to read through the posts of this past week & see what objective persons - members of the "UN protection committee" - have said about the albanians in Serbian KosovO - they (the albanians) threatened the UN soldiers and were hostile. One poster even went as far as stating to give KosovO to the albanian majority would be equal to the unrest in the middle east.

Give yourself a break & raise your white flag of surrender as KosovO will remain a part of Serbia as it has been.

There seems to be way too much euphoria in these forums. One side is happy, the other is not, then vice-versa.

Do all of you ever ask yourself a question - why? What do you all achieve by insulting, provoking, threatening? 20 years in the Balkans have been wasted like this. A couple of centuries ago, 20 years was a lifetime.

Mr. Phillip Dragisic claims that "Police had to escort doctors in the Albanian areas in Kosovo". First time I heard this one - it must have been reported Milisav Milic who by the way reported about a rape in my building in Prishtina, and no one by that name lived in my building. But it is true; Albanians have been hostile to Serbs since its invasion by Serbia in 1912.
Kate is saying that there will be a 6-month postponement of a resolution. Well, there may be no resolution after all.
The others claim that "Kosova will be ruled by Belgrade once again", something that even Kostunica knows that will not happen.
Cvele goes as far as saying that "Albanians don't want independence".
People are busy making their ends meet and have no time for rallies. The will for independence is shown through referendums, elections, and if necessary, through wars. I don't think this will has to be proven one more time, since this area has already seen way too many wars.
Get a grip folks. You are reading the news here, not making the news. What do you really benefit by making up stuff?

Regardless, here are my last two cents: It looks like Russia and Serbia are actually working towards final re-unification of Kosova with Albania.

This dispute is between a sovereign nations Serbia and some NATO nations who violate international law and their own charter when it suits them. Serbia needs to sue USA, Britain, France and Germany as well as any other nation in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for breach of international law in this orchestrated attack on the sovereignty of a UN member. Serbia sued some NATO nations for violation of international law ie aggression and war on a member of the United Nations “the court said it had no jurisdiction in the case because the antecedent state of Yugoslavia was not an official UN member in 1999 and was not party to the ICJ statute. Teni, Lacki and Ahmet see this dispute as some sort of a game and unless it is played by their rules they take their ball and go home. I suggest that this dispute be arbitrated by the ICJ , what do you say gentlemen and or ladies or do you feel that international Law does not apply to you.

Adrian, that was a great point. 1956, just Rankovic expelled half a million Albanians to Turkey. If you go to Istanbul of their population there are at least 2 million Albanian descents. And, boy they are tough.
In any case, I read what US's UN Ambassador told Curkin that Kosovo is being pushed forward with or without SC of UN. He gave Russians a choice.
My hunch is that come Monday we'll know some more news!!!
All these Princip's, kate's, Cvele's will be breathing thin air once Kosovo becomes Independent.
I'll be enjoing the DIRECT flight from NYC to Prishtina on a wide body jet plane.
I guess Kosovo is the only country in former Yugo that has that DIRECT service to America.

Ahmet Isufi writes to Kate “KATE, where have you been before those masacres took place, lootting, burning and expeling people from their own land” but he forgets to tell us all about the billboard outside Prtistina that states we are “with Ramush.". Who is Ramush? Ramush Haradinaj,is the former Prime minister of Kosovo and a KLA commander on trial for crimes against humanity.I guess Ahmet he is innocent of killing women and children (here I go falling into your trap using loaded words such as {innocent women and children} who dared go out at night to enjoy a coffee with friends. Yes Ahmet ,UN accusers give him special privileges because he is the Mafia Don who can deliver what NATO wants in Kosovo. Justice NATO style Ahmet means special treatment and a going away party and a letter of recommendation from NATO bosses that this man is a good fellow meaning he is in our back pocket.

This reminds me of USA enlisting former Nazis like Claus Barbie into the CIA. The honesty of Ahmet Isufi and his conversion to American hegemony ends with his constant accusation of Serb atrocities while he smiles as he drives by the billboard in Pristina. The LA Times writes”In a 37-count indictment, Haradinaj and his KLA unit are accused of a "widespread and systematic" campaign to intimidate, abduct, rape and kill Serb civilians and Albanians who refused to cooperate. His "Black Eagles" killed at least 40 people between March and September 1998 and expelled thousands more, the indictment says.” Note the date Mr. Isufi and tell us again when you were intimidated by the Serbs. While a student in Vancouver I went into a home that had a picture of Pavelich on the wall I guess Ahmet must have a picture of “One of Haradinaj's lieutenants and codefendants, Idriz Balaj, [on your wall who] is accused of some of the more grisly deeds, including allegedly slicing off the ears and noses of victims who were still alive and, in one case, wrapping three men in barbed wire, hammering the spikes into their flesh and dragging them with his car.

Mr. Isufi these acts were part of your society way before 1999 and what is most despicable these acts that you forget “were [against] elderly Serbian villagers whose bodies were later found with broken bones and Albanians whom Haradinaj and his men suspected of collaborating with the Serbs — or with a rival Albanian faction” [end of quote]. The justice in Kosovo that Mr. Isufi supports is called killing and disappearance of witnesses like “Tahir Zemaj, a former commander of a rival guerrilla group, [who] was shot to death along with his adult son and nephew early in the investigation. Another died in a mysterious car crash not long before the trial began.’ [End of quote]

A witness Kabashi who was to testify at trial can’t be found, I wonder if Mr. Isufi Knows where witness Kabashi is. Mr. Isufi you don’t seem to “consider models that would satisfy both sides, by giving Kosovars full autonomy but allowing Serbia to formally maintain its territorial integrity. Puerto Rico, with its unique status as a semi-independent protectorate of the United States, could prove a good example.” Northern Ireland and Tyrol can also be an example. Ahmet, Teni and Laki we are not at an impasse because of those who did evil, but because of our own refusal to see ourselves as others see us.

Walter,
Since you mentioned bilbloard s about Ramush and his ongoing trial, I would like to tell you about the epilogue of trial; Remeber trial of Fatmir Limaj(Commander Steel), the same will happened this time , Ramush and his uncle Lahi Ibrahimaj will be found not guilty and Idriz Balaj will be found guilty in some of the charges. End of the story.I know why you wrote the coments and mentioned Ramush, becasue you probably think I am number 2 in AAK, which Ahmet Isufi. I am who I am , is not important but I know what goes on in Kosova and around it.

Walter
Keep in mind that KLA fought to protect people of Kosova,its war was the purest,we did not fought against people of Serbia we fought against those whom ,,albanians needs to be exterminated,,(Dr V.Cubrilovic ,THE EXPULSION OF THE ALBANIANS)
What I find very disturbing and hard to believe is that your crimes toward albanians were blessed by your church.
Peace

Ahmet it is not important who you are but it is important that many who post here find you intellectually dishonest. You don’t tell us why as you write “Ramush and his uncle Lahi Ibrahimaj will be found not guilty and Idriz Balaj will be found guilty in some of the charges” When you kill witnesses, abduct witnesses, and threaten witnesses and you keep your mouth shut about who sponsors you, trains you, advises you, writes you letters of recommendation and appoints the judges who selectively look at the facts and than interpret the law. I guess the end result is a forgone conclusion. It is for these reasons that the tribunal is a farce and a lynching particularly of Serbs who are no more and no less guilty than the rest of you. As Canada’s best criminal lawyers Edward Greenspan writes “There is a famous maxim: "Justice should not only be done but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done." In the Hague, justice is manifestly and undoubtedly seen to be not done.” {National Post) link http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=13867

why do you bother so much?
Kate ,do you really think that after six month,albanians will change their minds about independance? on the contrary,the six month are usefull to them to be ready for the next party,that you will never win:you have already lost kosovo,and not in 1999 but long before and not because of albanian persecution but because you just did not accept to live in such difficult conditions as we did ,that was how much you cared about your heritage:you did exchange it for just some more comfort,so stop accusing albanians,who stayed in their land despite these conditions and despite your repression during rankovic area ,after 1968 1981 repressions...
you have failed for centuries in your opposition to albanians we have always find a way to resist to you.
And ,believe me,the most extremist albanians,knowing that you will never turn an albanian into serb,just think that it is better to "stay" with you some more years,because we will gain much more tomorrow!
We just have to wait... and to carry on being "stupid prehistoric albanians" as some of you think ...

to lili or lilly however you choose to write your name today - you say -

And ,believe me,the most extremist albanians,knowing that you will never turn an albanian into serb,just think that it is better to "stay" with you some more years,because we will gain much more tomorrow!
We just have to wait... and to carry on being "stupid prehistoric albanians" as some of you think ...

News flash - KosovO is still Serbian land & nobody called anyone prehistoric albanians except you.
CCCC

It seems that there has now been an agreement to postpone any new resolution for around 6 months while there are further talks between Pristina and Belgrade. This is as a result of the US not being able to hand over Kosovo as a fait accompli, which was pretty obvious when it is enshrined as part of sovreign territory under Resolution 1244.

There has to be pressure on the Kosovo Albanian government to seriously participate in these talks and find a solution other than independence, and there has to now be a full implementation of 1244 without further delay.

"Appathurai added that NATO was ready to secure conditions necessary for preserving stability in the province and guarantee an undisturbed political process of determining its status. "
- and I am sure that Serbia is more then willing to cooperate in any way to ensure that is so.

So Kosovo will be de facto independent for the next six months.
After that period Kosovo will probably become fully independent.

KATE, where have you been before those masacres took place, lootting, burning and expeling people from their own land.You ought to know one thing; FOR K-Albaninas there is no going back, so you can dream all you want if you think serbia or a serb will rule Kosova ever again.
defacto we have been independent from serbia since june 1999, but serbia just does not get it. Its amazing

To Kate, the eternal optimist and Serb patriot: when will you finally understand that 1244 is dead and burried. There is no Yugoslavia anymore for god's sake, so how can you speak of 1244.
And you must have noticed that if there is any pressure on the government of Kosovo it usually takes the form of: "please don't declare independence unilaterally. we'll try to get you UN recognition, or just wait a while longer." Which means that the option of unilateral independence (and recognition) is very much alive. If all else fails the Albanians will settle for that, but why hurry that much if our allies are telling us to wait for a few more months? They haven't let us down until now, so we have every reason in the world to trust them. And to my Serbs friends here: Russia will be just as successful in preventing Kosovo's independence as it was in stopping NATO from bombarding. The end result will simply be that Serbia minus Kosovo will end up in the Russian sphere of influence.
And talks you say! What talks? What is there to discuss when the two sides have diametrically opposed positions? You are not from the Balkans Kate so you might not know this, but people around here are stubborn on small things, let alone when it comes to something like Kosovo which is sacred to both. So forget it: the Albanians or the Serbs will never give up on Kosovo. The only change is that we are in a much stronger position than the Serbs. Because what it boils down to is who has the strongest support and we all know who that is. Cheers!

Teni,
1244 is valid an remains valid as and until a new resolution states otherwise!
Ahmet,
in June 1999 1244 reaffirmed the territorial sovereignity of Serbia post conflict so what attacks are you talking about since then? If there are no talks then it is the same as wanting the Staus quo - & I thought we were told Staus quo was untenable - well looks like you are happy for it to continue but I doubt others are!

it´s each and everytime quite sad to see that there are so many "teni´s" on the albanian side...
convinced to be right ( as been told so for years by albanian propaganda of the worst kind )

my advise to Teni:
educate yourself on what UNSC 1244 means and how UNSC-resolutions expire,...

Princip: 1244 refers to the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia. Unless you claim that Serbia is Yugoslavia, I can't see where you base the claim on Serbia's territorial integrity.
But even if we assume for a moment that 1244 refers to Serbia, it still is dead and burried. And much good it will do when even the EU is saying that unilateral independence might be the solution. 1244 is a piece of paper and the majority of the signatories of that piece of paper don't see it as relevant anymore.
But on another issue I still have to get an answer from you or any of the Serb or pro-Serb camp here: how do you intend to control Kosovo? Let's say that the US, the EU and of course the "Ruski" say that Kosovo must remain within Serbia. What will Serbia do then? Do you really think that the Serbs in Kosovo would be any safer then? How would this benefit Serbia?
I ask this because from all I have seen and heard from the Serb government, politicians and many of the people in these discussions it looks as if the Serbs still see themselves as masters of Kosovo and of the K-Albanians and that the Albanians still hate you and will not settle for that. This does not sound like a recepy for anything but a new conflict.

Ahemt u better be in Kosovo to enforce that what you claim... because it looks like Kosovo is going back to Belgrades rule once again.

Kate I have no idea where did you get information you always talk about. For once back up your information with facts from western credible independent media not tanjug, rts, russian media , left wing conspiracy media ,.. I swear the god initially every time I read your comments I had to go and re-read every news article thinking I missed a key. You have incredible talent for making up and twisting every article you read. Climax of your imagination was when you said “It looks like Kosova Albanians don’t really want independence”!

De Hoop says it 'maybe' the last draft. Seeing as the Russians have already siad that the draft was exactly the same as Ahtisaari but covered in diplomatic wording I guess someone will need to be jumping through hoops but it is certainly not Serbia. De Hoop Schafer & NATO need to ensure they maintain their obligations to the valid resolution 1244 & which provides them legitamacy on Serbian territory least he forget!

Like the Russians said which is it to be sovereignity or self determination?

To all those hiding behind 1244:
Strange to see that because until now Serb propaganda attacked 1244 as not good and not in fovour of Serbia and Serbs. Now, when it's time to change it with something more advanced, because 1244 has been careworn, now you are all hiding behind it. This shows to me that you change as weather changes.

Teni,

you clearly have not done your homework or read these discussions very well. If you had you would know every so often someone like you comes up with the thought that 1244 refers to SFR Yugoslavia but it does not exist so neither does 1244. The contrary is the case the specific term being FR Yugoslavia (not to be confused with SFR Yugoslavia) and since 2003 FR Yugoslavia was known as the State Union of Serbia & Montenegro but since last year Republic of Serbia was and is the accepted successor state following the amicable independence of the Republic of Montenegro & Republic of Serbia. Thus 1244 is still legal and applies to the UN recognised successor of FRY which is Republic of Serbia.

I love this when it comes up again and again as it clearly shows lack of understanding and equally now that you are only too aware of the fact I am sure you cannot ignore the reality of the situation when I inform you that all citizens in the Serbian province are Serbian citizens (irrespective of ethnicity) and the sooner you respect the "rule of law" as set by the International community the sooner all can get on with making Serbia a better place!

What would you wish to offer next - an historical account of who built the Serbian Monasteries and Churches in the Serbian province perhaphs?

I keep on forgetting that NATO is a country with a seat at the UN and is qualified to provide direction on the passing of UN resolutions. de Hoop Scheffer is not a puppet for the US military and he is fully in charge of NATO and NATO is not a collective pool containing some potential non-American/cheap cannon fodder and driven by US foreign policy at all.

As there has been no regular and wanton destruction of property, houses and churches and so on, virtually under the noses of the NATO forces in Kosovo province in the 8 years that they have been there, and nobody lives in ghettoes, we don't want to see any tensions or suchlike surfacing, do we? Everyone lives in harmony and Heaven forbid that NATO should actually have to do any peacekeeping.

Laki: I never said "It looks like Kosovo Albanians don’t really want independence"!! What are you talking about?

Now please re-read my comment on this thread and tell me what exactly I said that is incorrect??

There was an announcement this morning that there would be a six month delay. See this link: http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-07-13-voa1.cfm

Laki NY
I said they dont favor independence.
I still say it because I dont buy Pristina propaganda as well as UN or NATO or all these western states that feel they can break UN any time its convinient but everyone else must follow it.

Albans showed they dont care about independence cuz they didnt show up to their own rally in Pristina. Also they realise that they will have a much better life as part of Serbia then a EU protectorate. Its as clear as daylight.

The very fact that the Ahtisaari plan requires specific protections for Serbian areas is reason enough for not giving independence - it is an admission that Kosovo would be handed over to a group who have long performed ethnic cleansing on Serbs and who cannot be trusted to run a multi-ethnic state.

The right solution will require both sides to give ground - autonomy under international guarantee would give self governance but it should also have the requirement to seek cooperation with Serbia on ethnic and econonomic issues. It is this that should be imposed by the international community.

Independence would be a reward for racism - and that is not something that the west should be condoning.

to princip
"Like the Russians said which is it to be sovereignity or self determination?"
Did he really mention this to the serbs? so witch one did you choose princip?

BoB: "Autonomy under international guarantee would give self governance but it should also have the requirement to seek cooperation with Serbia on ethnic and econonomic issues. It is this that should be imposed by the international community."

Exactly right!

What's the rush? Israel and the Palestines have been negotiating for 50 or so years, how about Northern Ireland? Western failure in the Balkans is evident to all, but to bandage it up so fast is irresponsible and may create violence. How interesting to see Russia protecting international law and the United States breaking it. A high school graduate could tell you that the only viable solution is to partion Kosovo at the Ibar river. This way the Albanians can rule themselves and the Serbs can stay with Belgrade.

To Princip: well I usually don't do any homework before commenting on this site, although certain people here probably do just that. And I do not keep any notes either.
You did read that part of my comment which said that even if 1244 refered to Serbia it was not worth the paper it is written on, but for some reason you chose not to comment on it. Your right.
It seems to me that the use of the "international community" in your comments is very inconsistent. Basically you refer to it only when it suits you, like in this comment. As far as I know most of this international community supports some sort of independence for Kosovo (unles Int.Comm = Russia,S.Africa then you are right).
But forget about that for a moment. The fact of the matter is that the K-Albanians don't feel like Serb citisens. It's that simple. All Albanians view the Serbs as an (former) occupying power and not as legitimate rulers of Kosovo. What was an act of aggression for you, was an act of liberation for us. Now we might discuss the merits of this on some other occassion, but that's the way the "Serb citisens"of Albanian ethnicity feel. This in turn means that Serb law does not mean a thing to K-Albanians. It also means that the vast majority of K-Albanians would never accept a return to Serb rule and as for making Serbia a better place...well that does not occupy a prominent place in the priorities of any Albanians. I hope you will take my word on it.
A word on the churches: I am myself an Orthodox Albanian, though not of a very religious type, and I think that many of the Serb Orthodox Churches in Kosovo are beautiful buildings and rich in history. I also know that it is nonsense to claim that the Albanians built them, there is no doubt in my mind on that. I hope that answers your question.

Cvele "Albans showed they dont care about independence cuz they didnt show up to their own rally in Pristina. Also they realise that they will have a much better life as part of Serbia then a EU protectorate. Its as clear as daylight."

this the same reasoning Kate used few days ago saying that Kosovar Albanians dont support independence. It just show how both of you are not touch with reality in ground. Ex. "NATO bombed albanians which would imply NATO soldiers rapped and murdered Albanian civilians" - your logic kindly

Cvele you challenged me to be in Kosova when serbian boots will come in to rule and I answered you but b92 decided not to post my coments. Therefore , blame b92 for not being able to see my resonse to your challenge.

Guys, there is more then obvious; NATO Secretary-General had symbolically in the most gentle manner made clear to the Serbian Foreign Minister that time is overspent, simultaneously signifying the need of keeping away from the games around settling of the status of Kosovo. In other worlds – Kosovo needs a defined status as an entity. In my opinion this is the reached hand for Serbia to join the train called Europe. Otherwise, a solution around Kosovo will happen upon. In the end if Serbia opposes the long sought status, then it will be left aside. Serbia with its stance against the entire west will be anything but part of Europe. Of course, Kosovo will at the same time become part of Europe as a recognized state. I’m not saying this for the sake of anything, but most probably it is going to happen. Even ignoring the entire list of the facts as: historical, economical, social etc. which lead to the need of the acknowledgment of reality – the fact of the latest top Serbian official’s approach (or better saying attitude) towards USA and EU lead to worsening of relations to someone who is decision-making factor, same time the richest part of the world. That part of the world is pro – Kosovo independence

Teni,

I did read your comment but disregarded it believeing that you did not prefer the alternative of a world where laws are just a piece of paper that mean nothing - I think the word anarchy sums up your vision in that case! Like I said I choose to give you the benefit of doubt & to believe you are not an anarchist who actually promotes anomie & nihilism to boot. But maybe given the further prompt then I guess this is what you are!

Regarding International community - it depends on your definition. The Kouchner narrow definition of US, UK, France & Germany or my prefered viewpoint of 'Intenational Community' - meaning the whole inclusive 192 states - there lies the difference I put down the narrow view but promote the inclusive view.

That said the other point is the crux of the matter. In all other states it is something that is seen as the rule of law and that one must "conform" to the state they are in - the fact the Serbian Albaninans choose not to nor in large part have not can in many respectes explain the underlying failure of economic development and we get back to the point that the sooner one respects the state they are in the sooner all will progress. Conforming to the state your in does not mean that your ignore your ethnicity but respect the "rule of law" that all others do. I am a British Serb just because i don't agree with everything does not mean that I can set up a seperate state - or do you think it does? In which case the future is all about out-breeding other ethnic groups and lawlessness!

Teni: "But on another issue I still have to get an answer from you or any of the Serb or pro-Serb camp here: how do you intend to control Kosovo?"

Teni, don't expect an answer from the Serbian side on this, they have a solution but they can not say it, and it is the solution they have always had regarding Kosova, ever since they invaded it in 1912. The solution is to eliminate the indigeneous population from Kosova, either through extermination or expulsion. The simple fact that they have never condemned such policies of the past, is that they want to repeat them again in the future. Kostunica is no different from Milosevic, Rankovic, Pasic, that have ruled Serbia ever since its creation.

Message to Ahmet Isufi, You stated, "FOR K-Albanians there is no going back." How wrong you are! You can go back, back to Albania. Albanians in Kosovo were never interested in assimilating into Serbian society from day one. I remember as far back as the 1970's, Serb doctors needed armed guards to venture into Albanian neighborhoods. The vast majority of Albanians were always hostile to Serbs and Serbian culture well before Milosevic came to power.

Phillip Dragisic you hit the nail on the head there!
The current situation is a result of the Serbian government not being able to control these people and not being able to protect the Serbs in Kosovo, I say shame and may in the future this injustice against Serbs be rectified.

I read this in today's international Hearld tribune a quote from Mr Surroli

"In the next round of talks, Kosovo could face two new demands: the territorial and political autonomy for Kosovo's Serbs or the territorial division of Kosovo," Surroi said in a letter obtained by the Associated Press, sent to a team of Kosovo leaders including the president and prime minister.

Such a principle, Surroi wrote, would "definitely mean violence and population displacement."

It is the first time an ethnic Albanian leader participating in negotiations has raised questions over the strategy to resolve the province's future.

So is this the way it will be in Kosovo? Read the entire article if you would like.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/13/europe/EU-GEN-Kosovo-France.php

To B92 dont delete my comment, its not offensive to anyone !
Kate I see where are you at fault! You seem to ignore anything that doesnt support your leftist or anti-albanian news. Based on your own article that you just brought it up http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-07-13-voa1.cfm


normal person would analyze it like this:
"West Agrees to Four to Six Month Delay on Deciding Kosovo's Future" ---its says four to six not SIX. Hold on that UN draft just got rejected to by Russia so your imaginary agreement for delay of future of Kosova is not valid anymore.
Furthermore read the more important news that you so nicely fail to mention, is right there in your FACE and very important

*"In Belgrade Thursday French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who was the first U.N. administrator in Kosovo, said Serbia cannot hope to deny Kosovo's independence and still expect to join the European Union."
** "Should there be no U.N. resolution, the United States has already indicated that it would recognize a declaration of Kosovo's independence. "

Now read what you wrote “There has to be pressure on the Kosovo Albanian government to seriously participate in these talks and find a solution other than independence, and there has to now be a full implementation of 1244 without further delay.”

Read under * and ** , stop it read it again and again do you see anything wrong with your assessment (propaganda) !!

Yes, Albanians have never felt the need to integrate with the Serbs in Kosova because integration would have meant assimilation. Read what Vasso Cubrilovic, Ivo Andric and others wrote about how to deal with 'the Albanian problem'. They all suggested expulsion and extermination. Apart from Nazi Germany, that is the only case in 20th century Europe where a government actively encouraged and carried out cimes against a people simply because of their ethnicity. Even the Serbian Academy of Sciences got involved in this. This reached a climax in 1999 when Milosevic and the Serb military and police tried to apply some of the above 'scientific advice when they drove over a million Albanians out of Kosova on the pretext of fighting the KLA. Over ten thousand people were killed by Serb army and paramilitary forces. Since Milosevic's downfall, the current Serbian elite has not managed to convince the Albanians or the international community that it is less nationalistic than Milosevic. Judging from Serb postings in this site, that is not likely to change for some time. The West has now understood where Serbia stands. Hopefully, an independent Kosova would encourage a national catharsis and a revision of the Serbian nationalistic myths.

I just want to ask you all something.
Do you think that if Kosovo goes back to Serbia that way Serbian minority in Kosovo is going to be safer other than Kosovo becoming independent state?

In my opinion I think that Serbs will be much safer if Kosovo become a country and they get involved in all institutions.

Another question is: Is Serbian police or military is going to protect Serbs in Kosovo if Kosovo does not become an Independent state? I don't think so!
For Serbia to gain control on Kosovo first of all they (Serbia) have to send military and police into region, and this I find it impossible to happen. We all know what happen last time they (Serbian military forces) were there. Are we ready to accept another catastrophy like that, is Europe and the rest of the world see it happen again?

«How wrong you are! You can go back, back to Albania.»

Philipp, you sound like an Indian from Canada who was telling a Quebecer to return home during a manifestation for more money. Quebecers are in Quebec since 1608 just as the Albanians are in Kosovo even before the slavic populations arruved in these regions.

Both ethnies have been there for a long time, just as the French and the English in Quebec, who live together in peace and harmony. What happened there that explain that you you don't want to live together? Could you explain?

To Ahmet Isufi ~

You have proven through your posts that you have no intention of being anything other than hostile and have continued to show the albanians as the ones that are suffering. I suggest you take a moment to read through the posts of this past week & see what objective persons - members of the "UN protection committee" - have said about the albanians in Serbian KosovO - they (the albanians) threatened the UN soldiers and were hostile. One poster even went as far as stating to give KosovO to the albanian majority would be equal to the unrest in the middle east.

Give yourself a break & raise your white flag of surrender as KosovO will remain a part of Serbia as it has been.

There seems to be way too much euphoria in these forums. One side is happy, the other is not, then vice-versa.

Do all of you ever ask yourself a question - why? What do you all achieve by insulting, provoking, threatening? 20 years in the Balkans have been wasted like this. A couple of centuries ago, 20 years was a lifetime.

Mr. Phillip Dragisic claims that "Police had to escort doctors in the Albanian areas in Kosovo". First time I heard this one - it must have been reported Milisav Milic who by the way reported about a rape in my building in Prishtina, and no one by that name lived in my building. But it is true; Albanians have been hostile to Serbs since its invasion by Serbia in 1912.
Kate is saying that there will be a 6-month postponement of a resolution. Well, there may be no resolution after all.
The others claim that "Kosova will be ruled by Belgrade once again", something that even Kostunica knows that will not happen.
Cvele goes as far as saying that "Albanians don't want independence".
People are busy making their ends meet and have no time for rallies. The will for independence is shown through referendums, elections, and if necessary, through wars. I don't think this will has to be proven one more time, since this area has already seen way too many wars.
Get a grip folks. You are reading the news here, not making the news. What do you really benefit by making up stuff?

Regardless, here are my last two cents: It looks like Russia and Serbia are actually working towards final re-unification of Kosova with Albania.

This dispute is between a sovereign nations Serbia and some NATO nations who violate international law and their own charter when it suits them. Serbia needs to sue USA, Britain, France and Germany as well as any other nation in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for breach of international law in this orchestrated attack on the sovereignty of a UN member. Serbia sued some NATO nations for violation of international law ie aggression and war on a member of the United Nations “the court said it had no jurisdiction in the case because the antecedent state of Yugoslavia was not an official UN member in 1999 and was not party to the ICJ statute. Teni, Lacki and Ahmet see this dispute as some sort of a game and unless it is played by their rules they take their ball and go home. I suggest that this dispute be arbitrated by the ICJ , what do you say gentlemen and or ladies or do you feel that international Law does not apply to you.

Adrian, that was a great point. 1956, just Rankovic expelled half a million Albanians to Turkey. If you go to Istanbul of their population there are at least 2 million Albanian descents. And, boy they are tough.
In any case, I read what US's UN Ambassador told Curkin that Kosovo is being pushed forward with or without SC of UN. He gave Russians a choice.
My hunch is that come Monday we'll know some more news!!!
All these Princip's, kate's, Cvele's will be breathing thin air once Kosovo becomes Independent.
I'll be enjoing the DIRECT flight from NYC to Prishtina on a wide body jet plane.
I guess Kosovo is the only country in former Yugo that has that DIRECT service to America.

Ahmet Isufi writes to Kate “KATE, where have you been before those masacres took place, lootting, burning and expeling people from their own land” but he forgets to tell us all about the billboard outside Prtistina that states we are “with Ramush.". Who is Ramush? Ramush Haradinaj,is the former Prime minister of Kosovo and a KLA commander on trial for crimes against humanity.I guess Ahmet he is innocent of killing women and children (here I go falling into your trap using loaded words such as {innocent women and children} who dared go out at night to enjoy a coffee with friends. Yes Ahmet ,UN accusers give him special privileges because he is the Mafia Don who can deliver what NATO wants in Kosovo. Justice NATO style Ahmet means special treatment and a going away party and a letter of recommendation from NATO bosses that this man is a good fellow meaning he is in our back pocket.

This reminds me of USA enlisting former Nazis like Claus Barbie into the CIA. The honesty of Ahmet Isufi and his conversion to American hegemony ends with his constant accusation of Serb atrocities while he smiles as he drives by the billboard in Pristina. The LA Times writes”In a 37-count indictment, Haradinaj and his KLA unit are accused of a "widespread and systematic" campaign to intimidate, abduct, rape and kill Serb civilians and Albanians who refused to cooperate. His "Black Eagles" killed at least 40 people between March and September 1998 and expelled thousands more, the indictment says.” Note the date Mr. Isufi and tell us again when you were intimidated by the Serbs. While a student in Vancouver I went into a home that had a picture of Pavelich on the wall I guess Ahmet must have a picture of “One of Haradinaj's lieutenants and codefendants, Idriz Balaj, [on your wall who] is accused of some of the more grisly deeds, including allegedly slicing off the ears and noses of victims who were still alive and, in one case, wrapping three men in barbed wire, hammering the spikes into their flesh and dragging them with his car.

Mr. Isufi these acts were part of your society way before 1999 and what is most despicable these acts that you forget “were [against] elderly Serbian villagers whose bodies were later found with broken bones and Albanians whom Haradinaj and his men suspected of collaborating with the Serbs — or with a rival Albanian faction” [end of quote]. The justice in Kosovo that Mr. Isufi supports is called killing and disappearance of witnesses like “Tahir Zemaj, a former commander of a rival guerrilla group, [who] was shot to death along with his adult son and nephew early in the investigation. Another died in a mysterious car crash not long before the trial began.’ [End of quote]

A witness Kabashi who was to testify at trial can’t be found, I wonder if Mr. Isufi Knows where witness Kabashi is. Mr. Isufi you don’t seem to “consider models that would satisfy both sides, by giving Kosovars full autonomy but allowing Serbia to formally maintain its territorial integrity. Puerto Rico, with its unique status as a semi-independent protectorate of the United States, could prove a good example.” Northern Ireland and Tyrol can also be an example. Ahmet, Teni and Laki we are not at an impasse because of those who did evil, but because of our own refusal to see ourselves as others see us.

Walter,
Since you mentioned bilbloard s about Ramush and his ongoing trial, I would like to tell you about the epilogue of trial; Remeber trial of Fatmir Limaj(Commander Steel), the same will happened this time , Ramush and his uncle Lahi Ibrahimaj will be found not guilty and Idriz Balaj will be found guilty in some of the charges. End of the story.I know why you wrote the coments and mentioned Ramush, becasue you probably think I am number 2 in AAK, which Ahmet Isufi. I am who I am , is not important but I know what goes on in Kosova and around it.

Walter
Keep in mind that KLA fought to protect people of Kosova,its war was the purest,we did not fought against people of Serbia we fought against those whom ,,albanians needs to be exterminated,,(Dr V.Cubrilovic ,THE EXPULSION OF THE ALBANIANS)
What I find very disturbing and hard to believe is that your crimes toward albanians were blessed by your church.
Peace

Ahmet it is not important who you are but it is important that many who post here find you intellectually dishonest. You don’t tell us why as you write “Ramush and his uncle Lahi Ibrahimaj will be found not guilty and Idriz Balaj will be found guilty in some of the charges” When you kill witnesses, abduct witnesses, and threaten witnesses and you keep your mouth shut about who sponsors you, trains you, advises you, writes you letters of recommendation and appoints the judges who selectively look at the facts and than interpret the law. I guess the end result is a forgone conclusion. It is for these reasons that the tribunal is a farce and a lynching particularly of Serbs who are no more and no less guilty than the rest of you. As Canada’s best criminal lawyers Edward Greenspan writes “There is a famous maxim: "Justice should not only be done but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done." In the Hague, justice is manifestly and undoubtedly seen to be not done.” {National Post) link http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?index=article&articleid=13867

why do you bother so much?
Kate ,do you really think that after six month,albanians will change their minds about independance? on the contrary,the six month are usefull to them to be ready for the next party,that you will never win:you have already lost kosovo,and not in 1999 but long before and not because of albanian persecution but because you just did not accept to live in such difficult conditions as we did ,that was how much you cared about your heritage:you did exchange it for just some more comfort,so stop accusing albanians,who stayed in their land despite these conditions and despite your repression during rankovic area ,after 1968 1981 repressions...
you have failed for centuries in your opposition to albanians we have always find a way to resist to you.
And ,believe me,the most extremist albanians,knowing that you will never turn an albanian into serb,just think that it is better to "stay" with you some more years,because we will gain much more tomorrow!
We just have to wait... and to carry on being "stupid prehistoric albanians" as some of you think ...

to lili or lilly however you choose to write your name today - you say -

And ,believe me,the most extremist albanians,knowing that you will never turn an albanian into serb,just think that it is better to "stay" with you some more years,because we will gain much more tomorrow!
We just have to wait... and to carry on being "stupid prehistoric albanians" as some of you think ...

News flash - KosovO is still Serbian land & nobody called anyone prehistoric albanians except you.
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