“Half-way Kosovo resolution possible”

Very interesting. Sounds ideal. And perhaps something Albanians might agree to, so long as these "institutions" in Kosova ONLY will have the supreme last word on bills and the bills's application into Kosova's society.

KLA will act as soldiers. That would be something new for them. I thought they only knew terrorism. But who are they going to fight? They never say. Are they going to drive out the remaining Serbs? And then what? Or will they fight UN/NATO troops? That would be dumb. Wish these threats from the KLA were more precise.

Jersey, weren't you accusing someone for making provocative statements? Or are they only provocative when they're directed towards the Serbs?
To answer your question, they'll fight anyone in uniform that will try to cross the border after the parliament declares independence. They'll do together with the KFOR trops just like they did in near past.

That's silly. Former members of UCK issued the statement that "further talks" is a NON STARTER, period.

Time is now to pass the resolution and move on. EU is now focused on passing any resolution that bypasses Russia's obstinacy.

If that does not work, then, EU finally sees the writing on the wall. Unilateral declaration and individual recognition. We have all finally hit rock bottom on a Kosova resolution and her independence.

bluntly, those threats can only be called stupid.
if the K-albanians choose the stupid decision to act unilaterally, they will face grave problems, problems they are not capable of handling.

and whoever wishes to create a scenario where it is said that a unilateral step would be an advantage for K-albanians, should be aware of the consequences. I would call it irresponsible, but since some here still believe to be the descendants of the illyrians..despite all rational doubts, we can only hope the US realize that there is no way to bring stability into the balkans by encouraging nationalist-fanatics to act against international law.

A resolution will be passed giving the EU authority but leaving the status issue for a later date when all Balkan countries will be on the verge of joining the EU.The legalist rational Europeans have awoken to the fact that they are not able to steal Serbia's ownership rights to Kosovo without having to write a massive check for the $100b as fair market value compensation which they are obviously not willing to do.The US supported the Taliban against the Soviets back in the 80s and now is in a mortal fight with them so if the KLA wants to get back on the US State Department list of terrorist organizations let them keep talking.As an American(neither a Serb nor Albanian)I am disgusted by sunshine weather friends.Kosovo is not important to the security of the American people but China and Russia are.

Do they think Serbia and Russia is stupid. This is just another ridiculous 'default independence by stealth' scenario like the recent one where they proposed talks but if they didn't work out then independence anyway.

too much ado about protecting serbia's national myths.
the fact is serbs have been an occupying power in kosovo since they got the region as a present by the great powers after ww1. after that they tried to colonize it with serbs, which worked in some formerly albanian inhabited territories in serbia proper, (albanians living all the way to Nis were ethnically cleansed and moved south as a result). But in the end they did not complete the job and Kosovo remained predominantly albanian.
Now serbs must accept the fact that after all that's transpired, these people will never let themselves be ruled by serbs again.
Kosovo will be independent, it might be better sooner than later.

That's interesting. When we don't agree with them, they will use violence.

And what do we ask from the Palestians? First say no to violence.

And why Bush promises independence to the Kosovars? Does America deceide?

Lilly ~

Please take a moment to read any blog or google kick back you choose to believe. KosovO is in Serbia and is still spelled KosovO today.

Additionally, the KLA is in fact a bunch of terrorists who have proven to be non-beneficial to anyone - It is a complete waste of time for anyone to entertain the thought that KosovO will be anything other than a part of Serbia!

This is going to turn into one big bloody mess (if it isn't already). The EU troops will never be able to keep order - they won't be willing to use force. The Albanians will riot and attack the Serbs. It'll probably be the only good publicity the Serbs have had in years.

The warning and admission from the New York Times, July 8, 2007 editorial “There are already nearly two million Iraqi refugees, mostly in Syria and Jordan, and nearly two million more Iraqis who have been displaced within their country. Without the active cooperation of all six countries bordering Iraq — Turkey, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria — and the help of other nations, this disaster could get worse. Beyond the suffering, massive flows of refugees — some with ethnic and political resentments — could spread Iraq’s conflict far beyond Iraq’s borders.” It is interesting how the New York Times as well as others who post here saw the Kosovo conflict and the refugee problem. They saw the Kosovo conflict as a special case calling it ethnic cleansing rather than a war zone that all ethnic groups were fleeing. The same group sees the breach of international law in taking part of a sovereign nation and giving it to a neighbor as a special case that will not multiply like fruit flies to other parts of the world. New York Times sees the Iraqi neighbor as playing an integral part in the events in Iraq while the same policy makers in America ignore the same concerns with Kosovo. American government believes that they can play a constructive role to mitigate in the mess that they created. While Bush scorns deadlines for Iraq he demands them from Serbia. All those nations that see this problem as America sees it need to look at other conflict in which they were involved that this is a Serbian and Albanian problem and they must resolve it without pressure from the outside.

"The status quo in Kosovo won't work. Nor will the plan being pushed by the U.N. and Washington." This is a headline from the current Newsweek. The world is realising that you MUST obey international law. The last thing the Bush administration needs now, is to break the law again. It would be a horrible legacy. There will be an alternative solution for sure. can't you just feel it? BTW, the KLA is nothing, if the US does not support them. No threat there.

The KLA would see themselves as warlords, carving out their own territory in the failed quasi-state of Kosovo.

They would fight moderate Albanians or other Albanian
warlords who challenge their authority.

The big question is what is supposed to happen in that new interim period. Will they look to Serb concerns and improve the position of the minorities or will they look to Albanian concerns and increase the autonomy of the Kosovo government?

Jerseyshore, KLA is going to fight Serb civilians as always, and NATO/EU is just going to blame Serbia for the violance.
Unfortunately, general oppinion is that Kosovo situation improved. I have house in Kosovo occupied for 8 years by some Albanians. 8 years I can not step into my house. Imagine how I evaluate "progress" over Kosovo!

Dear posters,

I intentionally don’t want to load my post with a heavy rhetoric. I am going to be very simple and straight to the point.

I really like the wording in here. My understanding is that Kosova will be Independent at the end as Mr. Bush said in Tirana but the wording of this new resolution will be softer as Russia has asked. After all, today’s world (including Russia)recognises the will of the Kosova people unlike Serbian politicians, housewife’s and pensioners. Luckily there are not to many people in Serbia that what again to send their sons, husbands to fight lost cause of the failed Serbian politicians, housewife’s and pensioners

As for the KLA veterans statement I would not worry so much. They are respected very much in Kosova but the population of Kosova are not in favour of war same as they were not in the past.

So, here we go, maybe new way of life for multiethnic Kosova. It think we should be happy if this happens.

there is a saying that "if you plan something bad and determined to do it you wont tell it to the whole world otherwise that is only a bluff" another one is, "a noisy river is shallow while a deep one is silent".

lilli,

i am sorry you are so brainwashed to bring up as evidence the one sided web blogs written by people like you as proof of kosovO's serb-ness. i would have gone for more reliable sources, like serious historical research or enciclopedia britanica. KosovO by the way is not even a serbian name but a bulgarian one. check your history, it was the bulgarian empire that occupied this area for some centuries before byzantines and then turks after a brief serb intermission.
even the famous serb church in Pec, was built by the turks for the serbs as a gift for their submission to ottoman rule. it was the albanians on the other hand who fought the turks until the end under Kastrioti and Lek Dukagjini.
anyways, that's history. just to point out to you that you can not use ancient history either way in a modern argument to argue that "Kosovo is serbia". it never was and never will be.

the sooner you come to that realization the easier it will be for your national cognitive disonnance.

regards,
ervin.

The world is realising that you MUST obey international law "

When Serbs finally realize they have broken many International Laws on treatment of Minorities, they should be then clear that they LOST KOSOVA for good.

Even in today's reports, Belgrade still keep their Roma citizens living in a heap of garbage. So much for Serbs respecting or caring for their minority citizens anywhere.

As for you OUTSIDE of Serbia, you need to let the Serbs IN Serbia speak for themselves. Those Serbs in Serbia spoke and they clearly said that 59% believe Jobs and Eco. development is their #1 concern. Kosova is 5th. Also, 68% believe they have NO INFLUENCE in govt. policy. That shows that what they believe is important is not in line with what Tadic and Kostunica believe. Well, maybe soon, these 68% might stand up and make these foolish leaders see what is important to them. I wish these 68% GODSPEED to make their dream come true for them. Realization of their true power.

lili
ofcourse Kosovo is 5th on our list.
We know its not going anywhere and can take all the time we want.

Most Europeans, particularly Southern Europeans, think that streets in America are paved with gold. Its only when they immigrate to Canada or US they realize that they have to roll up their sleeves if they don’t want to live in poverty. Many recent immigrants from Yugoslavia saw this very quickly and many are doing very well while others have resorted to criminal activity as well as other scams to beat the system. Poverty in US is wide spread as Michael Zweig, writes in What's Class Got to do With It, American Society in the Twenty-first Century, 2004 "While in any given year 12 to 15 percent of the population is poor, over a ten-year period 40 percent experience poverty in at least one year because most poor people cycle in and out of poverty; they don't stay poor for long periods. Poverty is something that happens to the working class, not some marginal 'other' on the fringes of society." In Canada our native people have the highest level of poverty which is due to institutional problems caused by years of European theft of property and abuse. This is also true of the Australian Aboriginal people who have a high level of alcohol and drug addiction for the same reasons. The Roma people have the same problem in every country in the Balkans and outside of the Balkans. Prejudice and discrimination is part of their life in part due to their refusal to leave the nomadic existence and integrate into the mainstream. Rather than rolling up their sleeves criminal elements many who are Albanian make their livelihood from other people’s misery and addiction.
It is interesting that Mr. Lilly tells Serbs in the Diaspora to “let the Serbs IN Serbia speak for themselves” forgetting that Albanian Lobby pays millions to people like Lugar, Dole, Lieberman and Clinton. Mr. Lilly if you ask any citizen in most countries other than Switzerland or maybe Australia where it is illegal not to vote how much influence they had on government policy the statistics would be worse than what you state for Serbia. Bush was elected by 26% of eligible voters, another 25% or so voted for the Democrats while 50% did not vote at all because they felt that they had no influence on what happens in Washington. So Mr. Lilly I suggest you roll up your sleeves read more, and you will realize that violating International Law in order to enforce it is like someone beating up their child when they send it for water so that it will not break the container.

Very interesting. Sounds ideal. And perhaps something Albanians might agree to, so long as these "institutions" in Kosova ONLY will have the supreme last word on bills and the bills's application into Kosova's society.

KLA will act as soldiers. That would be something new for them. I thought they only knew terrorism. But who are they going to fight? They never say. Are they going to drive out the remaining Serbs? And then what? Or will they fight UN/NATO troops? That would be dumb. Wish these threats from the KLA were more precise.

Jersey, weren't you accusing someone for making provocative statements? Or are they only provocative when they're directed towards the Serbs?
To answer your question, they'll fight anyone in uniform that will try to cross the border after the parliament declares independence. They'll do together with the KFOR trops just like they did in near past.

That's silly. Former members of UCK issued the statement that "further talks" is a NON STARTER, period.

Time is now to pass the resolution and move on. EU is now focused on passing any resolution that bypasses Russia's obstinacy.

If that does not work, then, EU finally sees the writing on the wall. Unilateral declaration and individual recognition. We have all finally hit rock bottom on a Kosova resolution and her independence.

bluntly, those threats can only be called stupid.
if the K-albanians choose the stupid decision to act unilaterally, they will face grave problems, problems they are not capable of handling.

and whoever wishes to create a scenario where it is said that a unilateral step would be an advantage for K-albanians, should be aware of the consequences. I would call it irresponsible, but since some here still believe to be the descendants of the illyrians..despite all rational doubts, we can only hope the US realize that there is no way to bring stability into the balkans by encouraging nationalist-fanatics to act against international law.

A resolution will be passed giving the EU authority but leaving the status issue for a later date when all Balkan countries will be on the verge of joining the EU.The legalist rational Europeans have awoken to the fact that they are not able to steal Serbia's ownership rights to Kosovo without having to write a massive check for the $100b as fair market value compensation which they are obviously not willing to do.The US supported the Taliban against the Soviets back in the 80s and now is in a mortal fight with them so if the KLA wants to get back on the US State Department list of terrorist organizations let them keep talking.As an American(neither a Serb nor Albanian)I am disgusted by sunshine weather friends.Kosovo is not important to the security of the American people but China and Russia are.

Do they think Serbia and Russia is stupid. This is just another ridiculous 'default independence by stealth' scenario like the recent one where they proposed talks but if they didn't work out then independence anyway.

too much ado about protecting serbia's national myths.
the fact is serbs have been an occupying power in kosovo since they got the region as a present by the great powers after ww1. after that they tried to colonize it with serbs, which worked in some formerly albanian inhabited territories in serbia proper, (albanians living all the way to Nis were ethnically cleansed and moved south as a result). But in the end they did not complete the job and Kosovo remained predominantly albanian.
Now serbs must accept the fact that after all that's transpired, these people will never let themselves be ruled by serbs again.
Kosovo will be independent, it might be better sooner than later.

That's interesting. When we don't agree with them, they will use violence.

And what do we ask from the Palestians? First say no to violence.

And why Bush promises independence to the Kosovars? Does America deceide?

Lilly ~

Please take a moment to read any blog or google kick back you choose to believe. KosovO is in Serbia and is still spelled KosovO today.

Additionally, the KLA is in fact a bunch of terrorists who have proven to be non-beneficial to anyone - It is a complete waste of time for anyone to entertain the thought that KosovO will be anything other than a part of Serbia!

This is going to turn into one big bloody mess (if it isn't already). The EU troops will never be able to keep order - they won't be willing to use force. The Albanians will riot and attack the Serbs. It'll probably be the only good publicity the Serbs have had in years.

The warning and admission from the New York Times, July 8, 2007 editorial “There are already nearly two million Iraqi refugees, mostly in Syria and Jordan, and nearly two million more Iraqis who have been displaced within their country. Without the active cooperation of all six countries bordering Iraq — Turkey, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria — and the help of other nations, this disaster could get worse. Beyond the suffering, massive flows of refugees — some with ethnic and political resentments — could spread Iraq’s conflict far beyond Iraq’s borders.” It is interesting how the New York Times as well as others who post here saw the Kosovo conflict and the refugee problem. They saw the Kosovo conflict as a special case calling it ethnic cleansing rather than a war zone that all ethnic groups were fleeing. The same group sees the breach of international law in taking part of a sovereign nation and giving it to a neighbor as a special case that will not multiply like fruit flies to other parts of the world. New York Times sees the Iraqi neighbor as playing an integral part in the events in Iraq while the same policy makers in America ignore the same concerns with Kosovo. American government believes that they can play a constructive role to mitigate in the mess that they created. While Bush scorns deadlines for Iraq he demands them from Serbia. All those nations that see this problem as America sees it need to look at other conflict in which they were involved that this is a Serbian and Albanian problem and they must resolve it without pressure from the outside.

"The status quo in Kosovo won't work. Nor will the plan being pushed by the U.N. and Washington." This is a headline from the current Newsweek. The world is realising that you MUST obey international law. The last thing the Bush administration needs now, is to break the law again. It would be a horrible legacy. There will be an alternative solution for sure. can't you just feel it? BTW, the KLA is nothing, if the US does not support them. No threat there.

The KLA would see themselves as warlords, carving out their own territory in the failed quasi-state of Kosovo.

They would fight moderate Albanians or other Albanian
warlords who challenge their authority.

The big question is what is supposed to happen in that new interim period. Will they look to Serb concerns and improve the position of the minorities or will they look to Albanian concerns and increase the autonomy of the Kosovo government?

Jerseyshore, KLA is going to fight Serb civilians as always, and NATO/EU is just going to blame Serbia for the violance.
Unfortunately, general oppinion is that Kosovo situation improved. I have house in Kosovo occupied for 8 years by some Albanians. 8 years I can not step into my house. Imagine how I evaluate "progress" over Kosovo!

Dear posters,

I intentionally don’t want to load my post with a heavy rhetoric. I am going to be very simple and straight to the point.

I really like the wording in here. My understanding is that Kosova will be Independent at the end as Mr. Bush said in Tirana but the wording of this new resolution will be softer as Russia has asked. After all, today’s world (including Russia)recognises the will of the Kosova people unlike Serbian politicians, housewife’s and pensioners. Luckily there are not to many people in Serbia that what again to send their sons, husbands to fight lost cause of the failed Serbian politicians, housewife’s and pensioners

As for the KLA veterans statement I would not worry so much. They are respected very much in Kosova but the population of Kosova are not in favour of war same as they were not in the past.

So, here we go, maybe new way of life for multiethnic Kosova. It think we should be happy if this happens.

there is a saying that "if you plan something bad and determined to do it you wont tell it to the whole world otherwise that is only a bluff" another one is, "a noisy river is shallow while a deep one is silent".

lilli,

i am sorry you are so brainwashed to bring up as evidence the one sided web blogs written by people like you as proof of kosovO's serb-ness. i would have gone for more reliable sources, like serious historical research or enciclopedia britanica. KosovO by the way is not even a serbian name but a bulgarian one. check your history, it was the bulgarian empire that occupied this area for some centuries before byzantines and then turks after a brief serb intermission.
even the famous serb church in Pec, was built by the turks for the serbs as a gift for their submission to ottoman rule. it was the albanians on the other hand who fought the turks until the end under Kastrioti and Lek Dukagjini.
anyways, that's history. just to point out to you that you can not use ancient history either way in a modern argument to argue that "Kosovo is serbia". it never was and never will be.

the sooner you come to that realization the easier it will be for your national cognitive disonnance.

regards,
ervin.

The world is realising that you MUST obey international law "

When Serbs finally realize they have broken many International Laws on treatment of Minorities, they should be then clear that they LOST KOSOVA for good.

Even in today's reports, Belgrade still keep their Roma citizens living in a heap of garbage. So much for Serbs respecting or caring for their minority citizens anywhere.

As for you OUTSIDE of Serbia, you need to let the Serbs IN Serbia speak for themselves. Those Serbs in Serbia spoke and they clearly said that 59% believe Jobs and Eco. development is their #1 concern. Kosova is 5th. Also, 68% believe they have NO INFLUENCE in govt. policy. That shows that what they believe is important is not in line with what Tadic and Kostunica believe. Well, maybe soon, these 68% might stand up and make these foolish leaders see what is important to them. I wish these 68% GODSPEED to make their dream come true for them. Realization of their true power.

lili
ofcourse Kosovo is 5th on our list.
We know its not going anywhere and can take all the time we want.

Most Europeans, particularly Southern Europeans, think that streets in America are paved with gold. Its only when they immigrate to Canada or US they realize that they have to roll up their sleeves if they don’t want to live in poverty. Many recent immigrants from Yugoslavia saw this very quickly and many are doing very well while others have resorted to criminal activity as well as other scams to beat the system. Poverty in US is wide spread as Michael Zweig, writes in What's Class Got to do With It, American Society in the Twenty-first Century, 2004 "While in any given year 12 to 15 percent of the population is poor, over a ten-year period 40 percent experience poverty in at least one year because most poor people cycle in and out of poverty; they don't stay poor for long periods. Poverty is something that happens to the working class, not some marginal 'other' on the fringes of society." In Canada our native people have the highest level of poverty which is due to institutional problems caused by years of European theft of property and abuse. This is also true of the Australian Aboriginal people who have a high level of alcohol and drug addiction for the same reasons. The Roma people have the same problem in every country in the Balkans and outside of the Balkans. Prejudice and discrimination is part of their life in part due to their refusal to leave the nomadic existence and integrate into the mainstream. Rather than rolling up their sleeves criminal elements many who are Albanian make their livelihood from other people’s misery and addiction.
It is interesting that Mr. Lilly tells Serbs in the Diaspora to “let the Serbs IN Serbia speak for themselves” forgetting that Albanian Lobby pays millions to people like Lugar, Dole, Lieberman and Clinton. Mr. Lilly if you ask any citizen in most countries other than Switzerland or maybe Australia where it is illegal not to vote how much influence they had on government policy the statistics would be worse than what you state for Serbia. Bush was elected by 26% of eligible voters, another 25% or so voted for the Democrats while 50% did not vote at all because they felt that they had no influence on what happens in Washington. So Mr. Lilly I suggest you roll up your sleeves read more, and you will realize that violating International Law in order to enforce it is like someone beating up their child when they send it for water so that it will not break the container.