Another mass grave found near Srebrenica

Horrifying reminder of the war crimes carried out in BiH. The failure of Serbia to hunt down the known war criminals makes their Government almost as guilty as those who carried out the massacres. The majority of decent Serb citizens are ashamed of what was done in their name. They owe it to future generations to vote out of office every single politician who still talks the kind of nationalism that led to Srebrenica. Europe wants Serbia, but not the rotten, criminal, murderous, corrupt persons who murdered or supported the murders done at Srebrenica, and elsewhere.

"Many consider the number of 96,895 as the overall total of victims of the 1992-95 war in Bosnia, which is not correct. For several reasons, this number should be seen as an approximation of a minimum and not as a complete total." «

Many times in the last two years, I have read posters like Ida, Matthew, and other Serbs on this board, claiming that not even 100 000 people had been massacred during the war, but they forget to add those who are exhumed almost monthly from mass graves in Bosnia.

The overall total is now between 100 000 and 200 000. In ten years, we will be close to the 200 000 estimated total.

"but they forget to add those who are exhumed almost monthly from mass graves in Bosnia."

No, because the 97,000 number INCLUDES ALREADY the missing. The 97,000 number is around 80,000 dead and 16,667 missing.

This means that these dead (unless they are from WWII, WWI, etc. - and that is a probability) have already been counted in Tokaca's figures.

Besides, this is in a village OUTSIDE Srebrenica where Naser Oric's troops raided.

These could be Serb villagers killed in Muslim raids.

By the way, today is the 15th anniversay of the massacre of 32 Serbian civilians in Bratunac and Srebrenica by Naser Oric's troops.

Victor, here is the report that says the number alreadys includes the missing. This means that these bodies, if from the last war (and they are unidentified - could be Serbs), would add to the 80,000 number because that is the dead and the rest are "missing." This shows that 97,000 is the utmost maximum because they've included so many missing:

"The figures include both the missing and those who died due to military activities or torture."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/21/europe/EU-GEN-Bosnia-War-Victims.php

Here is a translation of the breakdown of the 97,000 figure which includes the missing. This means of course any new finds would already be built in the number, unless of course they weren't reported as missing nor found dead. Plus, people "missing" sometimes do not come forward.

So, your saying that the total is over 100,000 is wrong. For the actual dead found is still far below 97,000.

"Killed 80,545, missing 16,662."

Od ukupnog broja stradalih, 80.545 je ubijenih, a 16.662 osobe su nestale.

http://www.nezavisne.com/vijesti.php?vijest=11059&meni=2

It is very crucial to note that the estimated total of 97,207 included both the killed and the missing. It is also important to note that the minimum total cannot reach any higher than an additional 10,000 according to the researchers. This means that no more than 107,000 died according to the research source- not 200,000 or even close to it.

One must also look and notice that the casualties are 89% male and only 3,300 people under 18 are listed. This is when I will also restate my point about many males, females and teenagers also fighting, often in unofficial forms of grassroots resistance.

With Bosniak civilian casualties listed as roughly 33,000 even if all of the female casualties of war (roughly 10,000) were Bosniak civilians it would still produce a ratio of about 2:1 males to females. Assuming again that all of the children were Bosniak a 10:1 ratio is presented amongst a Bosniak population which is the second youngest in Europe after the Albanians. Of course not every female and every person under 18 was a Bosniak, but even if they were the figures disprove genocide across the entire territory of Bosnia.

The only issue under serious discussion for Genocide is Srebrenica. As everybody knows, it was the first time a mass killing of males (with casualty numbers and cause of death in dispute)has been classified in such a way. Previously, the inclusion of women, children, and elderly would have been required. The ICTY verdict of Genocide occurring in Srebrenica widened the term's usage and application.

Historically speaking it is still too close to the events to draw an understanding of them. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers drop further upon closer scrutiny in the coming years.

Horrifying reminder of the war crimes carried out in BiH. The failure of Serbia to hunt down the known war criminals makes their Government almost as guilty as those who carried out the massacres. The majority of decent Serb citizens are ashamed of what was done in their name. They owe it to future generations to vote out of office every single politician who still talks the kind of nationalism that led to Srebrenica. Europe wants Serbia, but not the rotten, criminal, murderous, corrupt persons who murdered or supported the murders done at Srebrenica, and elsewhere.

"Many consider the number of 96,895 as the overall total of victims of the 1992-95 war in Bosnia, which is not correct. For several reasons, this number should be seen as an approximation of a minimum and not as a complete total." «

Many times in the last two years, I have read posters like Ida, Matthew, and other Serbs on this board, claiming that not even 100 000 people had been massacred during the war, but they forget to add those who are exhumed almost monthly from mass graves in Bosnia.

The overall total is now between 100 000 and 200 000. In ten years, we will be close to the 200 000 estimated total.

"but they forget to add those who are exhumed almost monthly from mass graves in Bosnia."

No, because the 97,000 number INCLUDES ALREADY the missing. The 97,000 number is around 80,000 dead and 16,667 missing.

This means that these dead (unless they are from WWII, WWI, etc. - and that is a probability) have already been counted in Tokaca's figures.

Besides, this is in a village OUTSIDE Srebrenica where Naser Oric's troops raided.

These could be Serb villagers killed in Muslim raids.

By the way, today is the 15th anniversay of the massacre of 32 Serbian civilians in Bratunac and Srebrenica by Naser Oric's troops.

Victor, here is the report that says the number alreadys includes the missing. This means that these bodies, if from the last war (and they are unidentified - could be Serbs), would add to the 80,000 number because that is the dead and the rest are "missing." This shows that 97,000 is the utmost maximum because they've included so many missing:

"The figures include both the missing and those who died due to military activities or torture."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/21/europe/EU-GEN-Bosnia-War-Victims.php

Here is a translation of the breakdown of the 97,000 figure which includes the missing. This means of course any new finds would already be built in the number, unless of course they weren't reported as missing nor found dead. Plus, people "missing" sometimes do not come forward.

So, your saying that the total is over 100,000 is wrong. For the actual dead found is still far below 97,000.

"Killed 80,545, missing 16,662."

Od ukupnog broja stradalih, 80.545 je ubijenih, a 16.662 osobe su nestale.

http://www.nezavisne.com/vijesti.php?vijest=11059&meni=2

It is very crucial to note that the estimated total of 97,207 included both the killed and the missing. It is also important to note that the minimum total cannot reach any higher than an additional 10,000 according to the researchers. This means that no more than 107,000 died according to the research source- not 200,000 or even close to it.

One must also look and notice that the casualties are 89% male and only 3,300 people under 18 are listed. This is when I will also restate my point about many males, females and teenagers also fighting, often in unofficial forms of grassroots resistance.

With Bosniak civilian casualties listed as roughly 33,000 even if all of the female casualties of war (roughly 10,000) were Bosniak civilians it would still produce a ratio of about 2:1 males to females. Assuming again that all of the children were Bosniak a 10:1 ratio is presented amongst a Bosniak population which is the second youngest in Europe after the Albanians. Of course not every female and every person under 18 was a Bosniak, but even if they were the figures disprove genocide across the entire territory of Bosnia.

The only issue under serious discussion for Genocide is Srebrenica. As everybody knows, it was the first time a mass killing of males (with casualty numbers and cause of death in dispute)has been classified in such a way. Previously, the inclusion of women, children, and elderly would have been required. The ICTY verdict of Genocide occurring in Srebrenica widened the term's usage and application.

Historically speaking it is still too close to the events to draw an understanding of them. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers drop further upon closer scrutiny in the coming years.