Battle of Kosovo celebration without incidents

I don't understand how can someone make a promise (Samardjic, who said about serbia will come to Kosovo as it was, I promise you that) that is not true and will probably never happen.
I would like to say to him, quit telling lies to people and try to make them understand about the reality of today's Kosovo.

The celebrations will grow in strength and next year again Serbia will celebrate Vidovdan as an integral sovereign state.

If BETA news agency had a journalist present in Gazemistan, than he/she should have reported the truth about the number of participants.Low number indeed, roughly about 300 , no more. serbs from Gorazhdevac, Osejane, Binca,Grapc, Ciga, Brestovika, Bjelopolje refused to go to gazemistan and this was the first time they did not obey the orders coming from belgrade, becasue they have relized that belgrade is using them as pawns.Way to go , in Kosova you will be treated equaly just like everybody and you don't have to hear the word s 'IZBEGLICE" from your serb brothers in serbia proper.KPS Special Forces kept everything under control and yes they did make some arrest on both sides.

I must congratulate KPS Special force for job well done yesterday during Vidovdan ceremony. KPS were very professional, when they searched every person and also the so called Guards of Czar Lazar, which were wearing some T-shirts with provocative emblems, were stripped of the said shirts. I also must say that the so called guards did not resist and they obeyed the orders from KPS and took of the shirts. After all, they weren’t as tough as we were initially informed about them.

Of course that it passed without any incidents. There was no need for incident even though this event was somehow seen as a provocation from the Serbian side. Anyhow, another test passed by K-Albanians. This showed that K-Alb are tolerant and that are ready to live and share with everyone the new Kosova.

It is really sad that this event is turned into political venue. Still Serbian politicians give statements like, "It will always be in Serbia and Serbia will always nurture Kosovo as its heartland. That I can promise you," he said, adding: "The state will return to Kosovo just like it used to be, that is our responsibility. What a misleading statement. Serbia is not in Kosovo for past 8 years and will never return because people of Kosova don’t want to.

For those that doubt this come to Kosovo and see for yourself. We have different D.licences, ID cards, travel documents and many other things different from Serbia. Car plates are internationally accepted as well as all the other documents.

Another interesting thing, it is very wrong to use the battle in which all the Balkan nations fought together as something solely Serbian

Serbians, get out of the box, don’t support these failed politicians and join most of the Serbian people that want life not war, jobs not poverty, prosperity not darkness. In the end of the day, if there is another trouble these politicians will not go out to lead but will be somewhere safe, you remember 1999.

This was his last provokative speech about Kosova beeing always part of Serbia.
Next no one from Serb officials will not be able to say the same thing. If they do will be consider as a offense and disrespect to the locals and they will be kicked out.
You can get kicked out everywhere in the world if you direspect people who are hosting you.
I have heard Serbs are hospitable people too so I hope they'll understand my point.

Hermon, what is truly provocative is an illegal, immoral, attempt to steal Serbian land. What is truly provocative is calling Kosovo Kosova. What is provocative is the KlA launching attacks from Albania into Serbia, which every country in the world would consider an act of war. Stating the truth, Kosovo is part of Serbia is not provocative, it is cold solid fact!

Zoran
There were no attacks lunched from Albania to Kosovo. If you want some history about the Albanian site than you will know that it was isolated from the world during or depressive comunism. we lost touch with the rest of our brothers due to the unfair break of the map, that break included parts of serbia macedonia and greece. While we were isolated kosovo and other parts of old albania gained new identitys, language slightly changed. Dont go around confusing things. now my final point is that celebrating a tragic day in history that many souls from different nationality lost their life's 600 something years ago is just shows that you are still unable to see what that fight was really about. you are blinded by a statue of saint lazar that got all the fame for himself. the Balkans were fighting an invading army(and again don't fool anybody that it was only serbs). Milosevic took away the autonomy that kosovo had than took away the language the schools the jobs the resources. just like the ottomans did to some parts of the balkans, of course kosovo was going to defend itself as you know balkans are tough people.Things have changed since the 600 year battle and now we have diplomacy, and independence will be rewarded to a nation with its own identity like kosovo, be the people of kosovo black white red blue monkey dolphin or whatever.

Zoran,

Your nationalistic theory belongs to Milosevic and other criminals of the end of the last century, who willingly organized and planned the creation of the Great Serbia by fighting against and by killing, massacring, burning, raping and expelling civilian population. As you know what happened in Kosova. There is no stealing land here. If you know the objective history, not the fake serbian one based on fantastic mithology, Kosova was annexed from Albania in 1913. By the help of Russia; as it is the situation today. Don't tell me about 1389, because the history is not a horizontal line as many serbs and albanians as well pretend to explain by myths. Everyone has to wake up and see what the bloody war caused to all of us: a stagnation, suffering and waste of human and material resources. For this, Serbia has the major responsibility, the first and the last one. Kosova belongs to its population which has the right to struggle for freedom and de-colonisation. Having in mind the violation of the international law by Serbia in committing all these planned crimes, no one can say the international law is being violated. Serbia has violated international law since its existence. You have no moral right to say that. We have to be separated because we don't love each other, and we both are not ready to live together. We don't want an albanian as a Deputy PM of Serbia, neither Serbia would not allow to give to Haradinaj or to Thaci a ministerial post in the government of Serbia. We and you, will have permanently social problems and inter-ethnic tentions as we did since 1913, when Kosova was occupied. The compromise of what all has been done during tha last century is to go ahead as a two neighboring countries in the EU where there will be progress and development. Like Germans and French. Do you think they do not have greater battles to celebrate against each other? They won many battles, but it's not in their mentality as in yours to make the whole history based on a fake myth. Balkanians (not only Serbs) lost the battle and that's it. Celebrate other battles you won. Or, as your tradition is so, why don't you celebrate the lost battles in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosova?. Leave this behind. Open your eyes and don't lie yourself. Think positively. Don't allow a historian or a serbian politician lie you. The sooner you understand, the sooner you will say thanks to me ;))

Otherwise, I am sorry that in Balkans in general there are no peace initiatives, there is not so much criticism and there are people blindly believing to some cheap politicians. It's an admiring courage that of Cedomir Jovanovic and Natasa Kandic or Adem Demaci.

Adriano/Shem, you offer no valid argument. The fact is the the KLA did launch attacks from Albania leading up to 99, your theory of isolation is bogus since Tito allowed Albanians to migrate into Kosovo and by 92 the cold war was over. I remember watching the US media report on the Terrorist KLA (KLA was listed as a top terrorist organization until intervention by NATO was decided) and our (US) media outlets did not hide the fact that Albania was harboring KLA terrorists. So please stick to the facts your long useless rants don't fool anyone, the truth is available to anyone who seeks it. Most non aligned historians clearly acknowledge that Kosovo was "largely uninhabited when the Serbs migrated there" so your historical claim on Kosovo is based only after the Ottoman occupation and subsequent expulsion of Serbs northward. This very shaky claim is similar to the claim of artificially imposed (ethnic cleansing) demographics you have today, and it is the only claim you have since every other claim can be and has been shot down as outright fabrication. Unfortunately for Albanians, the claim of demographics is not an argument for changing borders but can and will only result in autonomy. It is clear that the Albanian goal is for a "greater Albania" since there are separatist movements in Montenegro, Macedonia, Greece and I have visited Albanian websites to see the theoretical maps of "greater Albania" which include territories from these 3 countries. Your claims of greater Serbia are only attempts to hide your plans for greater Albania, the Serbs have just tried to keep what was already theirs while Albanians and others have attempted to expand at Serbian expense. PS Shem, Kosovo was annexed from the Ottoman Empire, Albania did not exist at that time, Your distortions of the facts is a desperate attempt at who knows what, since everyone with the Internet can look this up and see the truth so happy trails to you!

Dear Zoki,

I am happy that you reacted, because through your opinions I can see how deep is serbian nationalist propaganda into the serbian nation. Listen, we are not going to change the history here. We are discussing and arguing. My arguments are that Kosova was historically populated by a majority an of albanian ethnicity. You have the myth of 1389 battle. We have the myth of Illyrian origin. The truth is that this territory has had a important administrative identity for centuries. You can claim the ethnic cleansing, but that is incorrect. I will tell you that this term "ethnic cleansing" was first used by Vuk Karadzic, who first proposed the idea of cleansing Belgrade from non-serbian quarters. Ottomans came early and they defeated all of us in Balkans. You had authonomy in Ottoman Empire, while on us was imposed a brutal policy by the Istanbul, because we resisted continuously. Kosova, Albania, big part of todays Macedonia, the most of Montenegro's coast were albanian territories. We did not move there from anywhere. We were there. It is just at the fall of Ottoman empire, in the period of the independence from Ottomans, when our territories were occupied by neighboring contries. We had not a Russia to support us. Skopje is a symbol of the prevailing of slavics on albanian lands. It is the most historical albanian city. Cameria in Greece. Janina of the albanian Ali Pasa who created the Greek state establishment. Ulcinje, Gusia, Plava in Montenegro. Presevo, Bujanovac, Medvedzo in Serbia. Have you ever heard about Nacrtanija, "siptari", "turci"? The colonisation of Kosova since 1913 occupation.We had no power for ethnic cleansing. Only 3 years during Nazism, the attacks on serbian colonisers were conducted mostly by the people who did it on revenge for the taken lands by those serbs who came as colonisers from different parts of Serbia. For example, in my region a Serbian family came and took the land of many albanian families before WWII. During german occupation this Serbian family was under the pressure and attack of these families because they wanted their land back, their cows and horses. After WWII, you had Rankovic, Tito was not albanian either. There was no ethnic cleansing program like that the serbian Nacrtanija or "Patkoi" of Milosevic(I don't know the serbian version). If we committed crimes against serbs, and I know we did, it was not through a national project or a governmental plan, but individuals for revenge. And they are not comparable; ours were always reactions, not initiatives. As after 1999. During communism, there was no ethnic cleansing. Kosova remained the less developed region of Yugoslavia and Kosova serbs moved into Serbia for a better life. "Trepca radi Beograd se gradi", znas ti to ?!!...But there were serbs like my neighbor Jovan who came in 1958 in Kosova, because he gained some land somehow that he cannot explain. Then I bought it from him in 80's. In 1989 Milosevic initiated the creation of Great Serbia, but he failed. He just caused all of us sufferings and losses. But you cannot claim that Kosova is Serbian because we fought for it in 1389. As it is not so logic to say it is Albanian because we are of Illyrian origin and we had this territory before serbs came from Carpates. The logic is that there has been a "state failure" in Kosova; because Serbia had a plan to eliminate an ethnic group in this country, because of that violation of fundamental human rights, by rejecting agreements pushed by international community, the factual situation changed. KLA was formed only after a 10 years ghandistic peaceful resistance of Albanians in Kosova. KLA was of course helped by Albania.You are being helped by Russia. KLA was not a terrorist organization, but it is the result of the albanian continuation to struggle for liberation and freedom from the Serbian terror. The world functions so my dear. What is important is to understand that permanently this territory was populated by a majority albanian which was exposed to a brutal violence by all regimes in YU and Serbia. This ended with Milosevic and there is no step back anymore. We are not claiming unification of Skopje with us. We cannot turn the history back. We are seeing the idependence of Kosova as a compromising solution for the injustice committed to Albanian nation by Serbia and Great Powers during 20th century. Mostly by Russia. France was your historic supporter; today it wants to correct its mistakes, because giving Kosova and making a strong Serbia caused troubles, wars and victims in Balkans. And there was need for intervention. So does UK. Germany. United States.

The albanian web sites that you are claiming that support the Great Albania, are unfortunately only fairy tales on internet. Most of them are ignorants who don't do anything or just want some importance on the people as serbian politicians do. But "Great Albania" is a product of Serbian slavic propaganda. It doesn't exist in any albanian paper. But I cannot convince you and I'm not trying to to so, because you have Dobrica Cosic to listen!

Open your eyes, don't be a victim of propaganda! A pawn of the Serbian politicians and nationalist historians. You are paying them by being cheated and by remaining behind, leaving all others behind. See Romania and Bulgaria. They, unfortunately are becoming example for you and for us!

I don't understand how can someone make a promise (Samardjic, who said about serbia will come to Kosovo as it was, I promise you that) that is not true and will probably never happen.
I would like to say to him, quit telling lies to people and try to make them understand about the reality of today's Kosovo.

The celebrations will grow in strength and next year again Serbia will celebrate Vidovdan as an integral sovereign state.

If BETA news agency had a journalist present in Gazemistan, than he/she should have reported the truth about the number of participants.Low number indeed, roughly about 300 , no more. serbs from Gorazhdevac, Osejane, Binca,Grapc, Ciga, Brestovika, Bjelopolje refused to go to gazemistan and this was the first time they did not obey the orders coming from belgrade, becasue they have relized that belgrade is using them as pawns.Way to go , in Kosova you will be treated equaly just like everybody and you don't have to hear the word s 'IZBEGLICE" from your serb brothers in serbia proper.KPS Special Forces kept everything under control and yes they did make some arrest on both sides.

I must congratulate KPS Special force for job well done yesterday during Vidovdan ceremony. KPS were very professional, when they searched every person and also the so called Guards of Czar Lazar, which were wearing some T-shirts with provocative emblems, were stripped of the said shirts. I also must say that the so called guards did not resist and they obeyed the orders from KPS and took of the shirts. After all, they weren’t as tough as we were initially informed about them.

Of course that it passed without any incidents. There was no need for incident even though this event was somehow seen as a provocation from the Serbian side. Anyhow, another test passed by K-Albanians. This showed that K-Alb are tolerant and that are ready to live and share with everyone the new Kosova.

It is really sad that this event is turned into political venue. Still Serbian politicians give statements like, "It will always be in Serbia and Serbia will always nurture Kosovo as its heartland. That I can promise you," he said, adding: "The state will return to Kosovo just like it used to be, that is our responsibility. What a misleading statement. Serbia is not in Kosovo for past 8 years and will never return because people of Kosova don’t want to.

For those that doubt this come to Kosovo and see for yourself. We have different D.licences, ID cards, travel documents and many other things different from Serbia. Car plates are internationally accepted as well as all the other documents.

Another interesting thing, it is very wrong to use the battle in which all the Balkan nations fought together as something solely Serbian

Serbians, get out of the box, don’t support these failed politicians and join most of the Serbian people that want life not war, jobs not poverty, prosperity not darkness. In the end of the day, if there is another trouble these politicians will not go out to lead but will be somewhere safe, you remember 1999.

This was his last provokative speech about Kosova beeing always part of Serbia.
Next no one from Serb officials will not be able to say the same thing. If they do will be consider as a offense and disrespect to the locals and they will be kicked out.
You can get kicked out everywhere in the world if you direspect people who are hosting you.
I have heard Serbs are hospitable people too so I hope they'll understand my point.

Hermon, what is truly provocative is an illegal, immoral, attempt to steal Serbian land. What is truly provocative is calling Kosovo Kosova. What is provocative is the KlA launching attacks from Albania into Serbia, which every country in the world would consider an act of war. Stating the truth, Kosovo is part of Serbia is not provocative, it is cold solid fact!

Zoran
There were no attacks lunched from Albania to Kosovo. If you want some history about the Albanian site than you will know that it was isolated from the world during or depressive comunism. we lost touch with the rest of our brothers due to the unfair break of the map, that break included parts of serbia macedonia and greece. While we were isolated kosovo and other parts of old albania gained new identitys, language slightly changed. Dont go around confusing things. now my final point is that celebrating a tragic day in history that many souls from different nationality lost their life's 600 something years ago is just shows that you are still unable to see what that fight was really about. you are blinded by a statue of saint lazar that got all the fame for himself. the Balkans were fighting an invading army(and again don't fool anybody that it was only serbs). Milosevic took away the autonomy that kosovo had than took away the language the schools the jobs the resources. just like the ottomans did to some parts of the balkans, of course kosovo was going to defend itself as you know balkans are tough people.Things have changed since the 600 year battle and now we have diplomacy, and independence will be rewarded to a nation with its own identity like kosovo, be the people of kosovo black white red blue monkey dolphin or whatever.

Zoran,

Your nationalistic theory belongs to Milosevic and other criminals of the end of the last century, who willingly organized and planned the creation of the Great Serbia by fighting against and by killing, massacring, burning, raping and expelling civilian population. As you know what happened in Kosova. There is no stealing land here. If you know the objective history, not the fake serbian one based on fantastic mithology, Kosova was annexed from Albania in 1913. By the help of Russia; as it is the situation today. Don't tell me about 1389, because the history is not a horizontal line as many serbs and albanians as well pretend to explain by myths. Everyone has to wake up and see what the bloody war caused to all of us: a stagnation, suffering and waste of human and material resources. For this, Serbia has the major responsibility, the first and the last one. Kosova belongs to its population which has the right to struggle for freedom and de-colonisation. Having in mind the violation of the international law by Serbia in committing all these planned crimes, no one can say the international law is being violated. Serbia has violated international law since its existence. You have no moral right to say that. We have to be separated because we don't love each other, and we both are not ready to live together. We don't want an albanian as a Deputy PM of Serbia, neither Serbia would not allow to give to Haradinaj or to Thaci a ministerial post in the government of Serbia. We and you, will have permanently social problems and inter-ethnic tentions as we did since 1913, when Kosova was occupied. The compromise of what all has been done during tha last century is to go ahead as a two neighboring countries in the EU where there will be progress and development. Like Germans and French. Do you think they do not have greater battles to celebrate against each other? They won many battles, but it's not in their mentality as in yours to make the whole history based on a fake myth. Balkanians (not only Serbs) lost the battle and that's it. Celebrate other battles you won. Or, as your tradition is so, why don't you celebrate the lost battles in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosova?. Leave this behind. Open your eyes and don't lie yourself. Think positively. Don't allow a historian or a serbian politician lie you. The sooner you understand, the sooner you will say thanks to me ;))

Otherwise, I am sorry that in Balkans in general there are no peace initiatives, there is not so much criticism and there are people blindly believing to some cheap politicians. It's an admiring courage that of Cedomir Jovanovic and Natasa Kandic or Adem Demaci.

Adriano/Shem, you offer no valid argument. The fact is the the KLA did launch attacks from Albania leading up to 99, your theory of isolation is bogus since Tito allowed Albanians to migrate into Kosovo and by 92 the cold war was over. I remember watching the US media report on the Terrorist KLA (KLA was listed as a top terrorist organization until intervention by NATO was decided) and our (US) media outlets did not hide the fact that Albania was harboring KLA terrorists. So please stick to the facts your long useless rants don't fool anyone, the truth is available to anyone who seeks it. Most non aligned historians clearly acknowledge that Kosovo was "largely uninhabited when the Serbs migrated there" so your historical claim on Kosovo is based only after the Ottoman occupation and subsequent expulsion of Serbs northward. This very shaky claim is similar to the claim of artificially imposed (ethnic cleansing) demographics you have today, and it is the only claim you have since every other claim can be and has been shot down as outright fabrication. Unfortunately for Albanians, the claim of demographics is not an argument for changing borders but can and will only result in autonomy. It is clear that the Albanian goal is for a "greater Albania" since there are separatist movements in Montenegro, Macedonia, Greece and I have visited Albanian websites to see the theoretical maps of "greater Albania" which include territories from these 3 countries. Your claims of greater Serbia are only attempts to hide your plans for greater Albania, the Serbs have just tried to keep what was already theirs while Albanians and others have attempted to expand at Serbian expense. PS Shem, Kosovo was annexed from the Ottoman Empire, Albania did not exist at that time, Your distortions of the facts is a desperate attempt at who knows what, since everyone with the Internet can look this up and see the truth so happy trails to you!

Dear Zoki,

I am happy that you reacted, because through your opinions I can see how deep is serbian nationalist propaganda into the serbian nation. Listen, we are not going to change the history here. We are discussing and arguing. My arguments are that Kosova was historically populated by a majority an of albanian ethnicity. You have the myth of 1389 battle. We have the myth of Illyrian origin. The truth is that this territory has had a important administrative identity for centuries. You can claim the ethnic cleansing, but that is incorrect. I will tell you that this term "ethnic cleansing" was first used by Vuk Karadzic, who first proposed the idea of cleansing Belgrade from non-serbian quarters. Ottomans came early and they defeated all of us in Balkans. You had authonomy in Ottoman Empire, while on us was imposed a brutal policy by the Istanbul, because we resisted continuously. Kosova, Albania, big part of todays Macedonia, the most of Montenegro's coast were albanian territories. We did not move there from anywhere. We were there. It is just at the fall of Ottoman empire, in the period of the independence from Ottomans, when our territories were occupied by neighboring contries. We had not a Russia to support us. Skopje is a symbol of the prevailing of slavics on albanian lands. It is the most historical albanian city. Cameria in Greece. Janina of the albanian Ali Pasa who created the Greek state establishment. Ulcinje, Gusia, Plava in Montenegro. Presevo, Bujanovac, Medvedzo in Serbia. Have you ever heard about Nacrtanija, "siptari", "turci"? The colonisation of Kosova since 1913 occupation.We had no power for ethnic cleansing. Only 3 years during Nazism, the attacks on serbian colonisers were conducted mostly by the people who did it on revenge for the taken lands by those serbs who came as colonisers from different parts of Serbia. For example, in my region a Serbian family came and took the land of many albanian families before WWII. During german occupation this Serbian family was under the pressure and attack of these families because they wanted their land back, their cows and horses. After WWII, you had Rankovic, Tito was not albanian either. There was no ethnic cleansing program like that the serbian Nacrtanija or "Patkoi" of Milosevic(I don't know the serbian version). If we committed crimes against serbs, and I know we did, it was not through a national project or a governmental plan, but individuals for revenge. And they are not comparable; ours were always reactions, not initiatives. As after 1999. During communism, there was no ethnic cleansing. Kosova remained the less developed region of Yugoslavia and Kosova serbs moved into Serbia for a better life. "Trepca radi Beograd se gradi", znas ti to ?!!...But there were serbs like my neighbor Jovan who came in 1958 in Kosova, because he gained some land somehow that he cannot explain. Then I bought it from him in 80's. In 1989 Milosevic initiated the creation of Great Serbia, but he failed. He just caused all of us sufferings and losses. But you cannot claim that Kosova is Serbian because we fought for it in 1389. As it is not so logic to say it is Albanian because we are of Illyrian origin and we had this territory before serbs came from Carpates. The logic is that there has been a "state failure" in Kosova; because Serbia had a plan to eliminate an ethnic group in this country, because of that violation of fundamental human rights, by rejecting agreements pushed by international community, the factual situation changed. KLA was formed only after a 10 years ghandistic peaceful resistance of Albanians in Kosova. KLA was of course helped by Albania.You are being helped by Russia. KLA was not a terrorist organization, but it is the result of the albanian continuation to struggle for liberation and freedom from the Serbian terror. The world functions so my dear. What is important is to understand that permanently this territory was populated by a majority albanian which was exposed to a brutal violence by all regimes in YU and Serbia. This ended with Milosevic and there is no step back anymore. We are not claiming unification of Skopje with us. We cannot turn the history back. We are seeing the idependence of Kosova as a compromising solution for the injustice committed to Albanian nation by Serbia and Great Powers during 20th century. Mostly by Russia. France was your historic supporter; today it wants to correct its mistakes, because giving Kosova and making a strong Serbia caused troubles, wars and victims in Balkans. And there was need for intervention. So does UK. Germany. United States.

The albanian web sites that you are claiming that support the Great Albania, are unfortunately only fairy tales on internet. Most of them are ignorants who don't do anything or just want some importance on the people as serbian politicians do. But "Great Albania" is a product of Serbian slavic propaganda. It doesn't exist in any albanian paper. But I cannot convince you and I'm not trying to to so, because you have Dobrica Cosic to listen!

Open your eyes, don't be a victim of propaganda! A pawn of the Serbian politicians and nationalist historians. You are paying them by being cheated and by remaining behind, leaving all others behind. See Romania and Bulgaria. They, unfortunately are becoming example for you and for us!