Ridiculous claims. Last desperate Serbian propaganda against Ahtisaari and his negotiation work. By the way: Martti Ahtisaari was never, repeated, never, suspected as being corrupted when he was the President of Finland. How do I know? Born & living in Finland and reading four Finnish main daily newspapers and watching TV news from different channels. We remember quite well the propaganda of Beograd´s Kurir about that the father of Ahtisaari has been in the Viking SS-division. Stupid lie. I am also very sorry that this Focus magazine (Banja Luka) was announced in Finland as Bosnian, although it is in the Republika Srpska.
Do you consider the killing of 8 thousand civilians in Srebrenica "right"?
And dont give me the "all sides commited attrocities" rhetoric. Yes, innocent Serbs may have been killed, but the numbers can not possibly be compared.
The fact that you consider Srebrenica and many other attrocities as only a part of the crimes "commited by all sides" is very disturbing.
Nick
Is that what they actually teach u in schools there?
Since when did Cetniks support the Nazis? Never! They were themselves supported by Americans. Croats and you were supported by Nazis. Serbs always fought for what is right.
Ahtisaari was hired because he had some prominence on the world stage for supposedly solving disputes. But he has no successful track record. BTW, can you imagine a more less charismatic person than Maarti? What was the UN thinking? But, they don't think. They just want things "Taken Care Of".
He is nothing but a UN, DC, EU stooge. Did he really write this plan himself or, are there other authors? Maybe US State Dept.?
Why should he be so pro Albanian? Why be so one-sided? Why call Serbs a guilty nation? How dare he? Unless he was paid to be. This whole Clinton, Albright, DioGuardi, Holbrooke, Clarke, Lantos, Engle, McCain, Dole, Lieberman, Gillman, D'Amato, etc. paid politicians by the Albanian lobby has to be stopped. They collected nice sums from the Albanians, years ago, and now they must deliver. But they can't. It's a different world.
As far as I know, most people of the Balkans are the same race, Serbians and Albanian Kosovars are the same race, Caucasians. So we cannot be racists. We are the same race. Please stop using that term. It does not apply. We are only different nationalities, and different in religious orientation.
Everything can be denied. We learned that from our Serbian neighbours. Things such as:
- the particiation of Albanians, Bosnians and other people in the Battle of Kosovo
- the constant cooperation of Serbian nobles and kings with the Ottoman Empire (Example: Knez Milos)
- Cetnik cooperation with the nazis in WWII against the Partizans.
- And a lot more examples i can mention.
The recent request "to determine the truth about Ahtisari" is like the "B3 Bomber scenario" in the movie Wag the Dog.
"Tell the media the President is in China to discuss the B3 Bomber"
"But sir, there is no B3 Bomber"
"Who cares, just run the story"
By putting such statements on the air, the Serbian propaganda is trying to undermine Ahtisari and his plan. Whether the allegations are true or not is irrelevant, what is important is for a lot of people to hear it.
Albanian must be the most inflected word in this site. Subconsciously you guys should love us although you acceptance of the fact is somewhat to be desired. To be frank I personally do not care a bit what you think of us and even less what names you use. I can understand you bitterness though. You might be still thinking how is this possible,,, and there you go with your conspiracy theories!!!!! Classic
German intelligence agency BND sent a report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, which allegedly confirms suspicions that Kosovo Albanian leaders paid UN Kosovo Envoy Martti Ahtisaari EUR 40mn in order to suggest independence for the province in his Kosovo settlement plan...................How is this Serbian propoganda? Serbians didn't initiate this story. They just said it should be investigated. There are many US politicians that took money from the Albanian lobby, Lantos, Engel, Lieberman, Dole, McCain, to name a few, so why would it be so far fetched to think Ahtisaari wouldn't? He isn't a saint, on the contrary, he's a politician for the UN.
despite your huge state of denial in respect of all those negative phenomenons on the albanian side, like there are drug- and humantrafficking, corruption and living under the rule of clan-rules that are highly primitive and known as "kanun ...but saying that, is of course "racism"...
no matter that is is the opinion of all europeans with a little bit insight in your society.
what cvele wrote is simply the truth, you don´t like to read that, okay, I can understand that, but wouldn´t it be a sign of seriousness not to deny something that can´t be denied???
Are you saying Kosovo isnt the center for all drug trafficking, white slavery, and crimals for all of Europe? Please as if I need to show proof. 70% unemployment claimed by KOSOVA PRESS and excessive force thats used by police was also questioned by the same paper. Every nation in europe knows that all their drugs are shipped through to them through lawless Kosovo. Your politican (mainly Ceku) killed innocent civilians.
Independence for that reason alone should never happen.
Who told you are police terrorize us and are corrupt? Our police are trained by US and European instructors and there are almost no cases where our police have used unnecesary force. Any facts to prove your point?
How are we killing our own people? any facts?
Your statements are incorrect and they only show how little information you have about the reality on the ground in Kosova.
Furthermore, you have no right whatsoever to judge our culture.
Vendetas were settled in the beggining of the 90's and there are very few of them ongoing.
It is precisely because WE KNOW most Serbs share your distorted view on Albanians that we will never agree to live under Serbia again.
Why do you think your culture is superior to that of the Kosova Albanians? Dont your understand that by posing such ridiculous comments you are showing precisely how little you know about us or your own people for that matter?
So let's see. Albanians publish a list of Serb names, in what passes for newspaper journalism, who are suspected of participating in 1999 atrocities, all based on faulty rumors and unsubstantiated evidence. Serbs cry foul.
Serbia comes up with a theory that Ahtisaari is another in a long list of politicans, bureaucrats, and activists, that are paid off by the Albanian lobbys. Albanians cry foul.
Nick
thx for your input, it means as much as when u say how much Carla Del Pontes opinion matters. You regress everything against you and claim it as propaganda or racisam. Well guess what, you r the ones who r racist. Killing your own people and expelling and threatening civilians to cooprate or they r traitors. Your own people hate the corupted police that terrorises them daily and threatens them on a regular. The culture is so outdated it still has vandetas.
Heh, just the implication of it is bad enough. If Russia was to follow up and publish this, that would be serious. Hopefully there is evidence but it would be unlikely that he could enjoy some of the perks of 40 mil without someone saying; this doesn't balance out!?!
Very interesting article. These type of propaganda was done only during Hitler's era and former USSR + Milosheviq's times. Way to go serbia, you are our best friend in time of need with your propaganda that no one in right mind beleives it.
What! no ethnic Albanian comments! yet!
Agim Ceku must surely be in the "know" if anything was "cooked up"!
I thought that the previously stated words "Crisis of Trust" by Agim Ceku sounded strange!
Thinking logically is now more than before, a confusing thought, however, what is important is that cool heads prevail and work diplomatically through this alleged development and besides Ahtisaari's document was presumed dead before this surfaced.
It could put a very bad look on the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's southern province, if true.
if this should turn out to be true, that man would deserve the highes possible punishment.
I would send him to the Hague, to join some other guys there...
Desperation leads to saying things like this speaker of the house states. Why would Albanians pay Ahtisari when they had US and EU with them. Ridiculous claims. If I was Ahtisari and they started an investigation I would sue the Serbian state, for a couple of billion dollars.
If this is true the consequences would be unimaginable for the region. The fact that German intelligence is the source is very interesting indeed. Lets wait and see what happens next...
There is a whole slew of western diplomats, analysts, people that know the region that had been suggesting independence, long before Ahtisaari, there's 95% of the population that wants it, and you reduce it to tabloid stories like that? Unbeleivable!
Unfortunately for the Serbs this is how reality works-Money talks. Some UN officials like this Ahtis guy are just high priced whores available for the right price.The EU should compensate Serbia with $100B if these allegations prove correct.
Even if this is true, the UN and US will put a tight lid on it so that no one would ever know the truth. If this was ever confirmed and made public, lots of people would have a lot to answer for not least Ahtisaari, whom I always suspected as being less then honorable and quite corrupted not only while dealing with Kosovo but also when he was the President of his country.
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/alblobby.html
Check out some of names on the receiving end of the Albanian lobby in the US. Are some of the names familiar? What a surprise. Good old American politics. God know what they got that's not on these lists. Maybe some Swiss accounts?
As far as I know, most people of the Balkans are the same race, Serbians and Albanian Kosovars are the same race, Caucasians. So we cannot be racists. We are the same race. Please stop using that term. It does not apply. We are only different nationalities, and different in religious orientation.
Ahtisaari was hired because he had some prominence on the world stage for supposedly solving disputes. But he has no successful track record. BTW, can you imagine a more less charismatic person than Maarti? What was the UN thinking? But, they don't think. They just want things "Taken Care Of".
He is nothing but a UN, DC, EU stooge. Did he really write this plan himself or, are there other authors? Maybe US State Dept.?
Why should he be so pro Albanian? Why be so one-sided? Why call Serbs a guilty nation? How dare he? Unless he was paid to be. This whole Clinton, Albright, DioGuardi, Holbrooke, Clarke, Lantos, Engle, McCain, Dole, Lieberman, Gillman, D'Amato, etc. paid politicians by the Albanian lobby has to be stopped. They collected nice sums from the Albanians, years ago, and now they must deliver. But they can't. It's a different world.
Even if this is true, the UN and US will put a tight lid on it so that no one would ever know the truth. If this was ever confirmed and made public, lots of people would have a lot to answer for not least Ahtisaari, whom I always suspected as being less then honorable and quite corrupted not only while dealing with Kosovo but also when he was the President of his country.
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/alblobby.html
Check out some of names on the receiving end of the Albanian lobby in the US. Are some of the names familiar? What a surprise. Good old American politics. God know what they got that's not on these lists. Maybe some Swiss accounts?
Unfortunately for the Serbs this is how reality works-Money talks. Some UN officials like this Ahtis guy are just high priced whores available for the right price.The EU should compensate Serbia with $100B if these allegations prove correct.
If this is true the consequences would be unimaginable for the region. The fact that German intelligence is the source is very interesting indeed. Lets wait and see what happens next...
There is a whole slew of western diplomats, analysts, people that know the region that had been suggesting independence, long before Ahtisaari, there's 95% of the population that wants it, and you reduce it to tabloid stories like that? Unbeleivable!
Desperation leads to saying things like this speaker of the house states. Why would Albanians pay Ahtisari when they had US and EU with them. Ridiculous claims. If I was Ahtisari and they started an investigation I would sue the Serbian state, for a couple of billion dollars.
if this should turn out to be true, that man would deserve the highes possible punishment.
I would send him to the Hague, to join some other guys there...
What! no ethnic Albanian comments! yet!
Agim Ceku must surely be in the "know" if anything was "cooked up"!
I thought that the previously stated words "Crisis of Trust" by Agim Ceku sounded strange!
Thinking logically is now more than before, a confusing thought, however, what is important is that cool heads prevail and work diplomatically through this alleged development and besides Ahtisaari's document was presumed dead before this surfaced.
It could put a very bad look on the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's southern province, if true.
Very interesting article. These type of propaganda was done only during Hitler's era and former USSR + Milosheviq's times. Way to go serbia, you are our best friend in time of need with your propaganda that no one in right mind beleives it.
Heh, just the implication of it is bad enough. If Russia was to follow up and publish this, that would be serious. Hopefully there is evidence but it would be unlikely that he could enjoy some of the perks of 40 mil without someone saying; this doesn't balance out!?!
Nick
thx for your input, it means as much as when u say how much Carla Del Pontes opinion matters. You regress everything against you and claim it as propaganda or racisam. Well guess what, you r the ones who r racist. Killing your own people and expelling and threatening civilians to cooprate or they r traitors. Your own people hate the corupted police that terrorises them daily and threatens them on a regular. The culture is so outdated it still has vandetas.
Who told you are police terrorize us and are corrupt? Our police are trained by US and European instructors and there are almost no cases where our police have used unnecesary force. Any facts to prove your point?
How are we killing our own people? any facts?
Your statements are incorrect and they only show how little information you have about the reality on the ground in Kosova.
Furthermore, you have no right whatsoever to judge our culture.
Vendetas were settled in the beggining of the 90's and there are very few of them ongoing.
It is precisely because WE KNOW most Serbs share your distorted view on Albanians that we will never agree to live under Serbia again.
Why do you think your culture is superior to that of the Kosova Albanians? Dont your understand that by posing such ridiculous comments you are showing precisely how little you know about us or your own people for that matter?
So let's see. Albanians publish a list of Serb names, in what passes for newspaper journalism, who are suspected of participating in 1999 atrocities, all based on faulty rumors and unsubstantiated evidence. Serbs cry foul.
Serbia comes up with a theory that Ahtisaari is another in a long list of politicans, bureaucrats, and activists, that are paid off by the Albanian lobbys. Albanians cry foul.
Are you saying Kosovo isnt the center for all drug trafficking, white slavery, and crimals for all of Europe? Please as if I need to show proof. 70% unemployment claimed by KOSOVA PRESS and excessive force thats used by police was also questioned by the same paper. Every nation in europe knows that all their drugs are shipped through to them through lawless Kosovo. Your politican (mainly Ceku) killed innocent civilians.
Independence for that reason alone should never happen.
despite your huge state of denial in respect of all those negative phenomenons on the albanian side, like there are drug- and humantrafficking, corruption and living under the rule of clan-rules that are highly primitive and known as "kanun ...but saying that, is of course "racism"...
no matter that is is the opinion of all europeans with a little bit insight in your society.
what cvele wrote is simply the truth, you don´t like to read that, okay, I can understand that, but wouldn´t it be a sign of seriousness not to deny something that can´t be denied???
German intelligence agency BND sent a report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, which allegedly confirms suspicions that Kosovo Albanian leaders paid UN Kosovo Envoy Martti Ahtisaari EUR 40mn in order to suggest independence for the province in his Kosovo settlement plan...................How is this Serbian propoganda? Serbians didn't initiate this story. They just said it should be investigated. There are many US politicians that took money from the Albanian lobby, Lantos, Engel, Lieberman, Dole, McCain, to name a few, so why would it be so far fetched to think Ahtisaari wouldn't? He isn't a saint, on the contrary, he's a politician for the UN.
Everything can be denied. We learned that from our Serbian neighbours. Things such as:
- the particiation of Albanians, Bosnians and other people in the Battle of Kosovo
- the constant cooperation of Serbian nobles and kings with the Ottoman Empire (Example: Knez Milos)
- Cetnik cooperation with the nazis in WWII against the Partizans.
- And a lot more examples i can mention.
The recent request "to determine the truth about Ahtisari" is like the "B3 Bomber scenario" in the movie Wag the Dog.
"Tell the media the President is in China to discuss the B3 Bomber"
"But sir, there is no B3 Bomber"
"Who cares, just run the story"
By putting such statements on the air, the Serbian propaganda is trying to undermine Ahtisari and his plan. Whether the allegations are true or not is irrelevant, what is important is for a lot of people to hear it.
Albanian must be the most inflected word in this site. Subconsciously you guys should love us although you acceptance of the fact is somewhat to be desired. To be frank I personally do not care a bit what you think of us and even less what names you use. I can understand you bitterness though. You might be still thinking how is this possible,,, and there you go with your conspiracy theories!!!!! Classic
Nick
Is that what they actually teach u in schools there?
Since when did Cetniks support the Nazis? Never! They were themselves supported by Americans. Croats and you were supported by Nazis. Serbs always fought for what is right.
Do you consider the killing of 8 thousand civilians in Srebrenica "right"?
And dont give me the "all sides commited attrocities" rhetoric. Yes, innocent Serbs may have been killed, but the numbers can not possibly be compared.
The fact that you consider Srebrenica and many other attrocities as only a part of the crimes "commited by all sides" is very disturbing.
Ridiculous claims. Last desperate Serbian propaganda against Ahtisaari and his negotiation work. By the way: Martti Ahtisaari was never, repeated, never, suspected as being corrupted when he was the President of Finland. How do I know? Born & living in Finland and reading four Finnish main daily newspapers and watching TV news from different channels. We remember quite well the propaganda of Beograd´s Kurir about that the father of Ahtisaari has been in the Viking SS-division. Stupid lie. I am also very sorry that this Focus magazine (Banja Luka) was announced in Finland as Bosnian, although it is in the Republika Srpska.
Everything can be denied. We learned that from our Serbian neighbours. Things such as:
- the particiation of Albanians, Bosnians and other people in the Battle of Kosovo
- the constant cooperation of Serbian nobles and kings with the Ottoman Empire (Example: Knez Milos)
- Cetnik cooperation with the nazis in WWII against the Partizans.
- And a lot more examples i can mention.
The recent request "to determine the truth about Ahtisari" is like the "B3 Bomber scenario" in the movie Wag the Dog.
"Tell the media the President is in China to discuss the B3 Bomber"
"But sir, there is no B3 Bomber"
"Who cares, just run the story"
By putting such statements on the air, the Serbian propaganda is trying to undermine Ahtisari and his plan. Whether the allegations are true or not is irrelevant, what is important is for a lot of people to hear it.
Very interesting article. These type of propaganda was done only during Hitler's era and former USSR + Milosheviq's times. Way to go serbia, you are our best friend in time of need with your propaganda that no one in right mind beleives it.
Ridiculous claims. Last desperate Serbian propaganda against Ahtisaari and his negotiation work. By the way: Martti Ahtisaari was never, repeated, never, suspected as being corrupted when he was the President of Finland. How do I know? Born & living in Finland and reading four Finnish main daily newspapers and watching TV news from different channels. We remember quite well the propaganda of Beograd´s Kurir about that the father of Ahtisaari has been in the Viking SS-division. Stupid lie. I am also very sorry that this Focus magazine (Banja Luka) was announced in Finland as Bosnian, although it is in the Republika Srpska.
Even if this is true, the UN and US will put a tight lid on it so that no one would ever know the truth. If this was ever confirmed and made public, lots of people would have a lot to answer for not least Ahtisaari, whom I always suspected as being less then honorable and quite corrupted not only while dealing with Kosovo but also when he was the President of his country.
http://opinionleaders.htmlplanet.com/alblobby.html
Check out some of names on the receiving end of the Albanian lobby in the US. Are some of the names familiar? What a surprise. Good old American politics. God know what they got that's not on these lists. Maybe some Swiss accounts?
Unfortunately for the Serbs this is how reality works-Money talks. Some UN officials like this Ahtis guy are just high priced whores available for the right price.The EU should compensate Serbia with $100B if these allegations prove correct.
If this is true the consequences would be unimaginable for the region. The fact that German intelligence is the source is very interesting indeed. Lets wait and see what happens next...
There is a whole slew of western diplomats, analysts, people that know the region that had been suggesting independence, long before Ahtisaari, there's 95% of the population that wants it, and you reduce it to tabloid stories like that? Unbeleivable!
Desperation leads to saying things like this speaker of the house states. Why would Albanians pay Ahtisari when they had US and EU with them. Ridiculous claims. If I was Ahtisari and they started an investigation I would sue the Serbian state, for a couple of billion dollars.
if this should turn out to be true, that man would deserve the highes possible punishment.
I would send him to the Hague, to join some other guys there...
What! no ethnic Albanian comments! yet!
Agim Ceku must surely be in the "know" if anything was "cooked up"!
I thought that the previously stated words "Crisis of Trust" by Agim Ceku sounded strange!
Thinking logically is now more than before, a confusing thought, however, what is important is that cool heads prevail and work diplomatically through this alleged development and besides Ahtisaari's document was presumed dead before this surfaced.
It could put a very bad look on the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's southern province, if true.
Heh, just the implication of it is bad enough. If Russia was to follow up and publish this, that would be serious. Hopefully there is evidence but it would be unlikely that he could enjoy some of the perks of 40 mil without someone saying; this doesn't balance out!?!
Nick
thx for your input, it means as much as when u say how much Carla Del Pontes opinion matters. You regress everything against you and claim it as propaganda or racisam. Well guess what, you r the ones who r racist. Killing your own people and expelling and threatening civilians to cooprate or they r traitors. Your own people hate the corupted police that terrorises them daily and threatens them on a regular. The culture is so outdated it still has vandetas.
Who told you are police terrorize us and are corrupt? Our police are trained by US and European instructors and there are almost no cases where our police have used unnecesary force. Any facts to prove your point?
How are we killing our own people? any facts?
Your statements are incorrect and they only show how little information you have about the reality on the ground in Kosova.
Furthermore, you have no right whatsoever to judge our culture.
Vendetas were settled in the beggining of the 90's and there are very few of them ongoing.
It is precisely because WE KNOW most Serbs share your distorted view on Albanians that we will never agree to live under Serbia again.
Why do you think your culture is superior to that of the Kosova Albanians? Dont your understand that by posing such ridiculous comments you are showing precisely how little you know about us or your own people for that matter?
So let's see. Albanians publish a list of Serb names, in what passes for newspaper journalism, who are suspected of participating in 1999 atrocities, all based on faulty rumors and unsubstantiated evidence. Serbs cry foul.
Serbia comes up with a theory that Ahtisaari is another in a long list of politicans, bureaucrats, and activists, that are paid off by the Albanian lobbys. Albanians cry foul.
Are you saying Kosovo isnt the center for all drug trafficking, white slavery, and crimals for all of Europe? Please as if I need to show proof. 70% unemployment claimed by KOSOVA PRESS and excessive force thats used by police was also questioned by the same paper. Every nation in europe knows that all their drugs are shipped through to them through lawless Kosovo. Your politican (mainly Ceku) killed innocent civilians.
Independence for that reason alone should never happen.
despite your huge state of denial in respect of all those negative phenomenons on the albanian side, like there are drug- and humantrafficking, corruption and living under the rule of clan-rules that are highly primitive and known as "kanun ...but saying that, is of course "racism"...
no matter that is is the opinion of all europeans with a little bit insight in your society.
what cvele wrote is simply the truth, you don´t like to read that, okay, I can understand that, but wouldn´t it be a sign of seriousness not to deny something that can´t be denied???
German intelligence agency BND sent a report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, which allegedly confirms suspicions that Kosovo Albanian leaders paid UN Kosovo Envoy Martti Ahtisaari EUR 40mn in order to suggest independence for the province in his Kosovo settlement plan...................How is this Serbian propoganda? Serbians didn't initiate this story. They just said it should be investigated. There are many US politicians that took money from the Albanian lobby, Lantos, Engel, Lieberman, Dole, McCain, to name a few, so why would it be so far fetched to think Ahtisaari wouldn't? He isn't a saint, on the contrary, he's a politician for the UN.
Albanian must be the most inflected word in this site. Subconsciously you guys should love us although you acceptance of the fact is somewhat to be desired. To be frank I personally do not care a bit what you think of us and even less what names you use. I can understand you bitterness though. You might be still thinking how is this possible,,, and there you go with your conspiracy theories!!!!! Classic
As far as I know, most people of the Balkans are the same race, Serbians and Albanian Kosovars are the same race, Caucasians. So we cannot be racists. We are the same race. Please stop using that term. It does not apply. We are only different nationalities, and different in religious orientation.
Ahtisaari was hired because he had some prominence on the world stage for supposedly solving disputes. But he has no successful track record. BTW, can you imagine a more less charismatic person than Maarti? What was the UN thinking? But, they don't think. They just want things "Taken Care Of".
He is nothing but a UN, DC, EU stooge. Did he really write this plan himself or, are there other authors? Maybe US State Dept.?
Why should he be so pro Albanian? Why be so one-sided? Why call Serbs a guilty nation? How dare he? Unless he was paid to be. This whole Clinton, Albright, DioGuardi, Holbrooke, Clarke, Lantos, Engle, McCain, Dole, Lieberman, Gillman, D'Amato, etc. paid politicians by the Albanian lobby has to be stopped. They collected nice sums from the Albanians, years ago, and now they must deliver. But they can't. It's a different world.
Nick
Is that what they actually teach u in schools there?
Since when did Cetniks support the Nazis? Never! They were themselves supported by Americans. Croats and you were supported by Nazis. Serbs always fought for what is right.
Do you consider the killing of 8 thousand civilians in Srebrenica "right"?
And dont give me the "all sides commited attrocities" rhetoric. Yes, innocent Serbs may have been killed, but the numbers can not possibly be compared.
The fact that you consider Srebrenica and many other attrocities as only a part of the crimes "commited by all sides" is very disturbing.
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