EU calls for more Kosovo talks

The path is clear - to those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia the message is clear - accept the state you are in and have always been in and start working towards making life better for all in Serbia!

Even the great hero from the west Tony Blair suggests that one must "conform to it" when in the UK - Serbia 2007 is no different - do you now see that you need to realise the opportunities that Sebia has to offer and make the most for yourselves and not waste energy and focus on nothing but destroying the state you are in? Has the thought not occured that economic development is retarded primarily because of this watsted and destructive negativism of undermining the state all along rather then "conforming" and making the best of the State that you are in?

Let us learn to live in peace amongst one another without fear or retribution within the Serbian state and not create artificial barriers between all the Serbian citzens !!! The EU can take up this challenge to act as a guarantor of human rights for all in the Serbian province till time has had an opportunity to heal the scars and wounds and bring true reconciliation and trust amongst all Serbian citizens!

The EU have told Ceku & Sediju quite clearly the reality that you can not dismember a UN recognised state - this will never be acceptable in the UN! I hope they are honest enough to let you know that and not continue with the deception of false hopes that lead nowhere but only fund ever larger bank accounts of the 'few' criminal fraternity who are only too happy to prolong the misery of status quo!

The choice is do you take win-win or lose-lose???

Of course talks need to be open without a prejudged aim. But I do think that there should be deadlines set; not as threats but as goals.

I am interested to read today from Mr Ceku that there is a danger of Albanians taking up arms again if they don't get independence. I just wondered if someone could tell me against whom? The international community or to brutalise the few remaining Serbian communities in Kosovo?

Either way, how could that be productive? There would be a swift response and it would lead nowhere.

Pincip,
you continue on repeating yourself. No arguments, no ideas, nothing new. Just the same old story about "those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia". You tell them (who are you to tell them?) to accept "the state you are in and have always been" and you fall in a such ambigous mistake. Yes, kosovo albanians have always lived there, that's true, but it belongs to Serbia just from 90 years with interruption in some years.So, you contradict yourself! Regarding to the serbians citizens i think that the yesterday comment of laki has answered you and there's really nothing more to add.
Kate,
How could you be such cynic?Don't you understand that you're talking about people and human lives?How can you be such happy to think that there will be unrests among people that have suffered so much in the last 20 years? What makes me feel sorry and sad about some posters here is that it seems that you guys don't consider the fact that kosovo is lived by human beings.
These human beings have made up their minds: after all what has happened, no possibility for turning back. It's simple and clear.
Moscow, Belgrade, Brussels or Washington, indipendentley from the position they have, can do absolutely nothing that will not reflect people's will. And the people has decided!Good luck Kosovo in your own way.

The path is very clear for K-Alb. and that is never again will Kosova be ruled by warmangoring serbia. as for as your win-win or lose-lose, gues what; we are on a win-win and the way I see it from where I am standing serbia is on a lose-lose, and so are you my dear friend of copy and paste.
No KATE, you are wrong to say that it will be a swift response. Are you telling us that serbia will respond swiftlly, becasue I know KFOR will not move a finger if it comes to that particular situation to chase the remaining S. The reason for this is because your friend Russia is creating such situation that status will have to be determined based on actual facts on the ground.

«Serbia's goal was the preservation of Kosovo within its borders, Samardžić said .»

Well said, but if the Albanians, who are a majority, do not want to be a part of Serbia, I honestly believed that their voice should also be heard, especially after what they went through, even though they were citizens of Serbia. A responsible state do not settle differences with cannons and terror.

When the UN says that a sovereign state cannot be dismembered, I would remind these gentlemen that the ex-Yu was also a sovereign state and it has disappeared. Just as Canadien's beloved country, it is a sovereign state but in a near future, it will be dismembered and provinces like Quebec, Ontario and possible BC would become new states inside Canada.

If the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia, let them decide, and MM Tadic and Samardžić, have little to argue.

VOX POPULI, VOX DEI.

I agree Kate. The weapons would be used to terrorize the Serbs that are left there and that have to watch over their shoulders everyday.

Just as Canadien's beloved country, it is a sovereign state but in a near future, it will be dismembered and provinces like Quebec, Ontario and possible BC would become new states inside Canada.
>> HAHAHA where do you get your information from

Ahmet you sound very confident that KFOR would not respond to violence. Well do you remember 2004? I do not support violence, would you rather see a independent isolated Kosovo or a Kosovo intergrated into Europe. For example and only an example Hamas was cheering when they chased out Fatah but the did not count on being isolated by the Arab world. So if you think Kosovo will do the same then i don't think PM Ceku or President sejdieu(spelling) would not do something so stupid.

Viva - is that a threat?

«The weapons would be used to terrorize the Serbs that are left there and that have to watch over their shoulders everyday.»

Why do independant Albanians do what the Serbs have done to them? Why should they look over their shoulder? For what they have done in the past?

As for Canada, all Canadians know that Quebec will secede in a near future, and no need for a cristal ball to predict the eventuality. I know Quebec history more than you; I LIVE HERE!

Honour thy enemies for their defeat will be your greatness.

The key word here is "honour".

No place on Earth are there more natural "enemies" than in Europe. It's sad to say but it is true. If there can be a compromise this will show to the World that Europe can take care of its own without the use of force. That is the EU ideal.

Ethnic Albanians must, first of all, jettison its idea that it is a majority. It is false in Serbia, it is false in Europe, and it is false in history. This does not mean Albanians should be less proud of who they are, only more cognizant of their role in contributing to a lasting peace.

It was good to hear that those who read my proposed compromise for Kosovo yesterday at least agreed with the issues in principle, if not everything. It means that despite the rhetoric and bluster that is a daily feature of Kosovo comments here, there is a sense and willingness for both sides to work out a deal. I sincerely hope the 120 day extension does provide the impetus for some of these ideas to be considered. The idea that Albanians would actually be willing to allow Serb soldiers to patrol their own Serb sectors if it meant independence shows that a compromise is, and can be possible.

I think Kosovo Albanians will find that they are trying to create a country based on demographics and nothing more.
Kosovo has been run by Albanians for many many years because it is many of their homes there is no denying it, but to support independance is to support the defacing of Serbia and it's cultural homeland.
The main differences between an independant Kosovo and one with broad autonomy are cosmetic, own radio/tv stations/newspaper/Flag etc ..because the prime ministers of Kosovo have been Albanian for decades and have not been able to do anything with the region since it is the poorest in Europe bar Albania perhaps. So why should we reward these people who have proved themselves incapable of running Albania let alone Kosovo with a new country?
Reward the removal of all Serbs in the area and destroy their churches, this is what your average Albanian has been doing in Kosovo for many years, not to mention the entire SS division created to "liberate" (cleanse) Kosovo in WW2.

The US is about to engage in a very dangerous act, an act which will isolate Kosovo and cause much worse things to happen there than have previously happened.

Serbs and their allies will never accept independance and it is Albanians who will suffer because they are surrounded.

Kosovo could be part of the EU in a few years and benifit from huge investment from many countries, since at this time it the US only.

Hah didn't take them long to switch from pre determined talks to.... TALKS. Heh Broad Autonomy here you come.

“The Kosovo issue is not a Russian problem, and it is not a U.S. problem. It is a European problem, therefore we should stand up to our responsibilities”, Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel said
Finally, someone with guts.
Russia has nothing to do with Kosova. They never helped with anything. Only troubles came from the russian bear.

Apologies to Viva - I realise that you were genuinely agreeing! I'm just used to hearing masked comments - sorry!

I think this 120 day talks with the condition of applying Ahtisari's plan if all fails is not only a good idea but the best one.
1. Serbs are asking for more talks so they'll have them. On the other side, the world is not stupid, not to realize that if there was no deadline the Serbs would go with the current status quo forever, as they don't really care about the people(Albanians) in Kosovo/a. They just want to have the appearance of sovereignty over Kosovo/a and they have that with the current status; they could care less if Kosovo/a Albanians starved to death, as long as Serbia appears to have sovereignty over Kosovo/a under any kind of status. So yes, deadlines are good and logical.
2. The Serbs don't like Ahtisari's plan and they are saying they are willing to compromise. The Serbs are also saying that the Ahtisari plan is the worst. So they have four months to find a solution that is better than Ahtisari's plan and convince the Albanians that under this Serb solution, their lives would be better than under Ahtisari's plan; the worst according to Serbs. If they are able to do this then they have reached the compromise they are talking about.
All this to me sounds very logical. The west is making sure that Serbia does not repeat the same B$ plan they've been doing so far in these new discussions, and that discussions do not go on forever. The west is saying to Serbia that whatever Serbia has put in the table before is pure B$, a bunch of big empty phrases with no meaning whatsoever, phrases such as: substantial, widest possible, political independence, economic independence. All of these are vague phrases with no specific definition, and if Serbia doesn't like what the west has put as a solution, Ahtisari's Plan, then they better come up with something else in the 4 months. Something better than Ahtisari's, and we'll know its better if Kosovo/a Albanian's agree that they could live under this new Serbian proposed plan.
That said I personally think these 4 months will pass, and countries such as the US,UK, Canada, Switzerland, Australia etc will unilaterally recognize the independence of Kosovo/a.
As always Europe will not be able to solve problems.
As always Russia will go against the US.
To answer someone that asked here before: Yes definitelly an "isolated" Kosovo/a recognized only by the US, UK and a couple of other countries is definitely much better than Kosovo/a under Serbia.

Hey Vuk, stop with that legend of SS albanians ethnically cleaning Kosovo from serbs during WWII. What about that your guy, the leader of the chetniks, his name was...wait a moment? Draza Mihajlovic? What about that other one, after him, the former minister of interior, Rankovic? What about Cerna Ruka? What about that project of Serbian Sciences Academy directed by Dobrica Cosic? What about the serbian church inciting hate speach against albanians any time it cans? What about Zelko Raznatovic & friends? And what about Slobo? If you are going to tell me that a bunch of albanian collaborationists (each country had its own bad guys) were all the albanians, than I have all the right to think that the list I made you with the who's who of anti-albanian serb butchers, is the main characteristics of all serbian people. But given I know that such a declaration would be an insult to the intelligence of the average literate people, I tell you that serbs are not that kind. Even if performances from people like you make me doubt it seriously.
Regards,
Ela.

The path is clear - to those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia the message is clear - accept the state you are in and have always been in and start working towards making life better for all in Serbia! "

The only way Albanians would even begin to think about this possibility, is if in this resolution, the same powers afforded to the EU Mission EXTENDS TO ALL OF SERBIA, for the protection of all minorities, and that the EU military section includes American contingent to head up any military force in ALL OF SERBIA, again for the protection of all citizens. This EU mission has the power to void any law in the Belgrade parliament, as well as the Kosova one. They have the power to fire any elected official who promotes virulent nationalist ideals, in both Serbia and Kosova.

So, if Serbs seek to keep ALbanians of Kosova within Serbia, then the EU Mission that is to supplant the UNMIK one, shall have the same powers over all of Serbia and the ability to move all around Serbia with their military contingent.
Think about that Serb posters.

The path is clear - to those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia the message is clear - accept the state you are in and have always been in and start working towards making life better for all in Serbia!

Even the great hero from the west Tony Blair suggests that one must "conform to it" when in the UK - Serbia 2007 is no different - do you now see that you need to realise the opportunities that Sebia has to offer and make the most for yourselves and not waste energy and focus on nothing but destroying the state you are in? Has the thought not occured that economic development is retarded primarily because of this watsted and destructive negativism of undermining the state all along rather then "conforming" and making the best of the State that you are in?

Let us learn to live in peace amongst one another without fear or retribution within the Serbian state and not create artificial barriers between all the Serbian citzens !!! The EU can take up this challenge to act as a guarantor of human rights for all in the Serbian province till time has had an opportunity to heal the scars and wounds and bring true reconciliation and trust amongst all Serbian citizens!

The EU have told Ceku & Sediju quite clearly the reality that you can not dismember a UN recognised state - this will never be acceptable in the UN! I hope they are honest enough to let you know that and not continue with the deception of false hopes that lead nowhere but only fund ever larger bank accounts of the 'few' criminal fraternity who are only too happy to prolong the misery of status quo!

The choice is do you take win-win or lose-lose???

Of course talks need to be open without a prejudged aim. But I do think that there should be deadlines set; not as threats but as goals.

I am interested to read today from Mr Ceku that there is a danger of Albanians taking up arms again if they don't get independence. I just wondered if someone could tell me against whom? The international community or to brutalise the few remaining Serbian communities in Kosovo?

Either way, how could that be productive? There would be a swift response and it would lead nowhere.

Pincip,
you continue on repeating yourself. No arguments, no ideas, nothing new. Just the same old story about "those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia". You tell them (who are you to tell them?) to accept "the state you are in and have always been" and you fall in a such ambigous mistake. Yes, kosovo albanians have always lived there, that's true, but it belongs to Serbia just from 90 years with interruption in some years.So, you contradict yourself! Regarding to the serbians citizens i think that the yesterday comment of laki has answered you and there's really nothing more to add.
Kate,
How could you be such cynic?Don't you understand that you're talking about people and human lives?How can you be such happy to think that there will be unrests among people that have suffered so much in the last 20 years? What makes me feel sorry and sad about some posters here is that it seems that you guys don't consider the fact that kosovo is lived by human beings.
These human beings have made up their minds: after all what has happened, no possibility for turning back. It's simple and clear.
Moscow, Belgrade, Brussels or Washington, indipendentley from the position they have, can do absolutely nothing that will not reflect people's will. And the people has decided!Good luck Kosovo in your own way.

The path is very clear for K-Alb. and that is never again will Kosova be ruled by warmangoring serbia. as for as your win-win or lose-lose, gues what; we are on a win-win and the way I see it from where I am standing serbia is on a lose-lose, and so are you my dear friend of copy and paste.
No KATE, you are wrong to say that it will be a swift response. Are you telling us that serbia will respond swiftlly, becasue I know KFOR will not move a finger if it comes to that particular situation to chase the remaining S. The reason for this is because your friend Russia is creating such situation that status will have to be determined based on actual facts on the ground.

«Serbia's goal was the preservation of Kosovo within its borders, Samardžić said .»

Well said, but if the Albanians, who are a majority, do not want to be a part of Serbia, I honestly believed that their voice should also be heard, especially after what they went through, even though they were citizens of Serbia. A responsible state do not settle differences with cannons and terror.

When the UN says that a sovereign state cannot be dismembered, I would remind these gentlemen that the ex-Yu was also a sovereign state and it has disappeared. Just as Canadien's beloved country, it is a sovereign state but in a near future, it will be dismembered and provinces like Quebec, Ontario and possible BC would become new states inside Canada.

If the Albanians do not want to be part of Serbia, let them decide, and MM Tadic and Samardžić, have little to argue.

VOX POPULI, VOX DEI.

I agree Kate. The weapons would be used to terrorize the Serbs that are left there and that have to watch over their shoulders everyday.

Just as Canadien's beloved country, it is a sovereign state but in a near future, it will be dismembered and provinces like Quebec, Ontario and possible BC would become new states inside Canada.
>> HAHAHA where do you get your information from

Ahmet you sound very confident that KFOR would not respond to violence. Well do you remember 2004? I do not support violence, would you rather see a independent isolated Kosovo or a Kosovo intergrated into Europe. For example and only an example Hamas was cheering when they chased out Fatah but the did not count on being isolated by the Arab world. So if you think Kosovo will do the same then i don't think PM Ceku or President sejdieu(spelling) would not do something so stupid.

Viva - is that a threat?

«The weapons would be used to terrorize the Serbs that are left there and that have to watch over their shoulders everyday.»

Why do independant Albanians do what the Serbs have done to them? Why should they look over their shoulder? For what they have done in the past?

As for Canada, all Canadians know that Quebec will secede in a near future, and no need for a cristal ball to predict the eventuality. I know Quebec history more than you; I LIVE HERE!

Honour thy enemies for their defeat will be your greatness.

The key word here is "honour".

No place on Earth are there more natural "enemies" than in Europe. It's sad to say but it is true. If there can be a compromise this will show to the World that Europe can take care of its own without the use of force. That is the EU ideal.

Ethnic Albanians must, first of all, jettison its idea that it is a majority. It is false in Serbia, it is false in Europe, and it is false in history. This does not mean Albanians should be less proud of who they are, only more cognizant of their role in contributing to a lasting peace.

It was good to hear that those who read my proposed compromise for Kosovo yesterday at least agreed with the issues in principle, if not everything. It means that despite the rhetoric and bluster that is a daily feature of Kosovo comments here, there is a sense and willingness for both sides to work out a deal. I sincerely hope the 120 day extension does provide the impetus for some of these ideas to be considered. The idea that Albanians would actually be willing to allow Serb soldiers to patrol their own Serb sectors if it meant independence shows that a compromise is, and can be possible.

I think Kosovo Albanians will find that they are trying to create a country based on demographics and nothing more.
Kosovo has been run by Albanians for many many years because it is many of their homes there is no denying it, but to support independance is to support the defacing of Serbia and it's cultural homeland.
The main differences between an independant Kosovo and one with broad autonomy are cosmetic, own radio/tv stations/newspaper/Flag etc ..because the prime ministers of Kosovo have been Albanian for decades and have not been able to do anything with the region since it is the poorest in Europe bar Albania perhaps. So why should we reward these people who have proved themselves incapable of running Albania let alone Kosovo with a new country?
Reward the removal of all Serbs in the area and destroy their churches, this is what your average Albanian has been doing in Kosovo for many years, not to mention the entire SS division created to "liberate" (cleanse) Kosovo in WW2.

The US is about to engage in a very dangerous act, an act which will isolate Kosovo and cause much worse things to happen there than have previously happened.

Serbs and their allies will never accept independance and it is Albanians who will suffer because they are surrounded.

Kosovo could be part of the EU in a few years and benifit from huge investment from many countries, since at this time it the US only.

Hah didn't take them long to switch from pre determined talks to.... TALKS. Heh Broad Autonomy here you come.

“The Kosovo issue is not a Russian problem, and it is not a U.S. problem. It is a European problem, therefore we should stand up to our responsibilities”, Slovenian Foreign Minister Dimitrij Rupel said
Finally, someone with guts.
Russia has nothing to do with Kosova. They never helped with anything. Only troubles came from the russian bear.

Apologies to Viva - I realise that you were genuinely agreeing! I'm just used to hearing masked comments - sorry!

I think this 120 day talks with the condition of applying Ahtisari's plan if all fails is not only a good idea but the best one.
1. Serbs are asking for more talks so they'll have them. On the other side, the world is not stupid, not to realize that if there was no deadline the Serbs would go with the current status quo forever, as they don't really care about the people(Albanians) in Kosovo/a. They just want to have the appearance of sovereignty over Kosovo/a and they have that with the current status; they could care less if Kosovo/a Albanians starved to death, as long as Serbia appears to have sovereignty over Kosovo/a under any kind of status. So yes, deadlines are good and logical.
2. The Serbs don't like Ahtisari's plan and they are saying they are willing to compromise. The Serbs are also saying that the Ahtisari plan is the worst. So they have four months to find a solution that is better than Ahtisari's plan and convince the Albanians that under this Serb solution, their lives would be better than under Ahtisari's plan; the worst according to Serbs. If they are able to do this then they have reached the compromise they are talking about.
All this to me sounds very logical. The west is making sure that Serbia does not repeat the same B$ plan they've been doing so far in these new discussions, and that discussions do not go on forever. The west is saying to Serbia that whatever Serbia has put in the table before is pure B$, a bunch of big empty phrases with no meaning whatsoever, phrases such as: substantial, widest possible, political independence, economic independence. All of these are vague phrases with no specific definition, and if Serbia doesn't like what the west has put as a solution, Ahtisari's Plan, then they better come up with something else in the 4 months. Something better than Ahtisari's, and we'll know its better if Kosovo/a Albanian's agree that they could live under this new Serbian proposed plan.
That said I personally think these 4 months will pass, and countries such as the US,UK, Canada, Switzerland, Australia etc will unilaterally recognize the independence of Kosovo/a.
As always Europe will not be able to solve problems.
As always Russia will go against the US.
To answer someone that asked here before: Yes definitelly an "isolated" Kosovo/a recognized only by the US, UK and a couple of other countries is definitely much better than Kosovo/a under Serbia.

Hey Vuk, stop with that legend of SS albanians ethnically cleaning Kosovo from serbs during WWII. What about that your guy, the leader of the chetniks, his name was...wait a moment? Draza Mihajlovic? What about that other one, after him, the former minister of interior, Rankovic? What about Cerna Ruka? What about that project of Serbian Sciences Academy directed by Dobrica Cosic? What about the serbian church inciting hate speach against albanians any time it cans? What about Zelko Raznatovic & friends? And what about Slobo? If you are going to tell me that a bunch of albanian collaborationists (each country had its own bad guys) were all the albanians, than I have all the right to think that the list I made you with the who's who of anti-albanian serb butchers, is the main characteristics of all serbian people. But given I know that such a declaration would be an insult to the intelligence of the average literate people, I tell you that serbs are not that kind. Even if performances from people like you make me doubt it seriously.
Regards,
Ela.

The path is clear - to those ethnic-Albanians in Serbia the message is clear - accept the state you are in and have always been in and start working towards making life better for all in Serbia! "

The only way Albanians would even begin to think about this possibility, is if in this resolution, the same powers afforded to the EU Mission EXTENDS TO ALL OF SERBIA, for the protection of all minorities, and that the EU military section includes American contingent to head up any military force in ALL OF SERBIA, again for the protection of all citizens. This EU mission has the power to void any law in the Belgrade parliament, as well as the Kosova one. They have the power to fire any elected official who promotes virulent nationalist ideals, in both Serbia and Kosova.

So, if Serbs seek to keep ALbanians of Kosova within Serbia, then the EU Mission that is to supplant the UNMIK one, shall have the same powers over all of Serbia and the ability to move all around Serbia with their military contingent.
Think about that Serb posters.