Kosovars are Kosovo citizens and all ethnic groups are unique concerning Kosovo status issue, apart K-Serbs (even there are some positively thinking groups).
How do you name Serbia citizens?!
When the Kurds are able to attract the attention of the international community like the Albanians did, then they can have their independence. There is nothing wrong with the Kurdish people being independent. What is wrong however and should never be allowed is for them to get their independence on the back of Albanian Kosovars.It's very simple to conceptualize it. Just like any European country must earn its right to be a EU member so should the Kurds. To go further with the analogy- just because Slovenia become a EU member it doesn't mean that Serbia should automatically become one. Like each of the aspiring EU members are not dependent on each other, whether they make it or not in the EU, so are Kosovo/a or Kurdistan not connected to each other whether they become independent or not.
I have no problem that two of us view differently the solution of the crisis, but we must use the factually correct arguments:
- The reason for revoking of Kosovo authonomy was that Kosovo Albanian Communists operated Kosovo economy with a flair of a drunken
sailor and Serbia and Yugoslavia could do nothing about it because of the veto you mentioned. MMF finally got fed up with Kosovo Albanian Communist elite and demanded that it has to stop because Kosovo was crippling Yugoslavia's ability to service MMF debt.
The MMF involvement is the reason why the reasons behind the revocation of Kosovo autonomy are not mentioned. Good thing you mentioned it, now it is clear.
-Slovenians, Montenegrins and Macendonians were not minorities in Yugoslavia, as you claim, they were constitutive peoples. Kosovo Albanians were minority with recognized status.
-Kosovo authonomy was neither revoked in 1987 (it was 1989) nor it was revoked illegally, as you claim. It was revoked with the approval of all Federal republics of Yugoslavia because of the MMF diktat.
Now, when we have the erroneous facts rectified, we can deal with assumptions. You claim that Kosovo Albanians will not accept to use dinars or passport with white eagle. Well, criminals (Kosovo Albanian and Serbian) already cooperate, I do not see the reason why law abiding Kosovo Albanians and Serbs can not do the same, trade and make good living. During the Serbia/Montenegro union, Montenegro used Euro, Serbia used dinar. The same can continue with Kosovo, Kosovo can continue to use Euro, this is not a problem. Problem is when you have empty pockets with no euros, dinars, dolars or leks in them.
Today, many Kosovo Albanians use Serbian passports instead of UNMIK's document.
And as of White double headed Eagle on the documents, does it really mattter? You can use black double headed eagle, if you prefer.
Any heraldic expert will laugh at your argument - Albania and Kosovo Albanians in Kosovo already use the coat of arms of Serb Nobleman Djuradj Kastriot :-)
This coat of arms shows whose land it really is. This is as if the Scotts refuse to fly Union Jack and opt for The St. George cross flag instead.
The problem is not in black and white eagle but in people who see the world around them in black and white.
The rejecting of fabrications and falsifications is a prerequisite of fruitful dialog.
"Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
(Kreshnik, Tuesday, 19 June, 2007, 07:43) "
Well, if you take that attitude, why don't you stand in line behind the Kurds in waiting for Independence? They clearly deserve it "more". They were slaughtered in much greater numbers. They've been fighting for independence far longer. They don't even have one country yet, while you guys are asking for a second one. The same argument for Kosovo independence is stronger in the case of the Kurds.
Dardan...
Your symbolic rhetoric is "SO yesteryear"....
Serbs said that they'd never accept the Croatian flag during the Krajina war..
Yet today..any young Serb still living in Croatia, respecfully puts the Croatian flag on the car of his wedding day...
Even Serbs and Croats can overcome symbolism...
The goal of the Serb administration was to wipe down not only the administrative borders of Kosovo but the “Kosovans” as well.
The fact that Kosovo was a veto-holding member of the Yugoslav federation is never mentioned in any of the articles that are written using the Serb recipes.
This “minority” was larger than your Slovenian, Macedonian or Montenegrin minority in Yugoslavia.
Any recommendation for the solution of the Kosovo problem fails to mention how the above was illegally revoked in 1987. This is only one of the reasons why Kosova, Kosovars, Kosovans or call them whatever you want - will NEVER accept to LIVE in anything that is called Serbia, accept use Serb Dinars or accept to use a passport with the white double headed eagle or deal with anything that uses the CCCC symbol.
wats goin on here? one by one the west are joining the delay bandwagon. uhmmm...come one come all. more talks would lead to compromise. haste makes waste.
There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions.
-----------------------------
Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
Serbia will abide by the Constitution in case Kosovo declares independence?
Which one I wonder? The 1974 one? They reacted nicely in the 90s according to that constitution.
Or will they react by the new constitution? You know, the one which All Albanians declared null and void.
P.S. Who said Russia is abides by the rule of law? Are you kidding me? Please for the love of God say you were being sarcastic.
I am aware that the status will be postponed for a short while, but like President Bush said, it will come the time when enough is enough. For people of Kosova it has already been enough and the more Serbia resist the Independence of Kosova, the more Albanians will resent Serbia and it's aims to keep hostage 2 milion people against their will. To make things worse, Kosova under Serbian rule has ended as one of the poorest region in Europe. So, what makes Serbs believe that somehow Kosova Albanians may soften their stances and accept Presheva Valley Autonomy. I think Serbian politicians and some posters here are really dreaming for the impossible. Can't you see? Even the countries especially Great Britan who at the time let Serbia control Kosova now is calling for its independence. Why? You figure it out! For certain, they realize the mistakes they made, and it's the time for correction. According to average people I hear talking on the streets and cafes of Prishtina. The meeting between Bush and Putin is the last chance.
I am sure there will be someone to cause some kind of disturbance. Now if the populace is calm and understanding of process then all will be good. Now we will see what will happen will cooler heads prevail or will the goverment try to declare independence unilateraly with support of the EU and US then what kind of pickle will they be in. Like Mr petrovich spoke hopefully i said cooler heads will previal.
Mr Bob Petrovic I strongly and completely disagree with your manipulated comment!
Kosova it is not a Serbian territory and it has never been! This is how we know the history Mr Petrovich, you may now it different!
I am from Albania and I was grown up with one truth only about Kosova and its Kosovar people, that they are occupied sad Albanians left outside of our natural national borders!
This is absolutely true based on cross countries undisputable historical documents and facts as well as the un manipulative history of Albania!
Kosova was an autonomous province in communist Yugoslavia, it had all the powers that the Serbs are re proposing today and more!
But we all know that the Serbs can revoke the autonomy any time it suits them, just like they did by force! The problem is that Serbia occupied the Albanian Kosova and had to kill all the Albanians and fill it with Serbs and this is what it has been trying to achieve but has failed!
Now how is it possible that on this day and age with the human rights being the most important political movement on our planet, you expect the international communities and the world’s powers to do the same mistake they did back in 1913 when they awarded you Kosovo in an ugly act of shameful betrayal to the Albanian nation!
Kosova is currently speaking independat, and very soon, this year it will declare its Independence!
K-albanians are serbian citizens of albanian ethnicity, not more and not less.
unless they are not taught the truth about their origin and history they will continue to believe into those myths about being the descendants of the "illyrians"...even if that is complete nonsense and as even some sound albanian scholars like Ardian Vebiu are admitting...
the 90 % "trick" is a worn-out shoe... only misinformed audience believes in such a cheapish propaganda.
In order to get out of the morass one must have the accurate map and working compass. This is exactly what is missing in this mess.
Without entering political debate, I will concentrate on the facts.
Under the international law only peoples have the right of self-determination, not ethnic minorities already having a national country of their own. There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions. The whole spin about Kosovo is exactly about this - how to destroy the international legal order that prevents it and how to make inviolability of internationally recognized borders the thing of the past.
In order to hide the fact that Kosovo Albanians as a minority do not have the right to exercise self determination, the spinmeisters resorted to using Albanian word "Kosovar" into English to falsely suggest that Kosovo Albanians (a.k.a. "Kosovars") are the people, thus having the right of self-determination.
Kosovo Albanians have the right of personal autonomy (to rule themselves) but have no right to secede 15% of Serbia's territory as their own.
This is the letter of the UN Charter, International treaties and International law.
The truth is often exposed in the choice of words. Mythical people of Kosovo (a.k.a. "Kosovars") so dear to State Department do not exist. “Kosovar” is an Albanian word for Kosovan, and Kosovan regardless of ethnicity, Serb, Roma, Albanian, Gorani, Turk, Jew, Croat. However, it is used to describe Kosovo Albanians only. The use of this word in this context is exclusive and hurtful – it excludes Serbs, Roma, Goranis, Turks andJews.
This is racism at work.
In order to get out of the mass, the use of term “Kosovar” has to cease in English language reports, as well as “People of Kosovo” because there is no such thing. This is prerequisite of communication.
It is often said that Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Figure. In Kosovo fog, even the figures are not factual. The guideline "Kosovo, population of 2 million, whose 90% of Albanian population seeks independence" was used by media both before and after the ethnic cleansign of 300 000 Serbs, Roma, Gorani and others.
It is evident that both numbers can not be correct. 90% is the outcome of ethnic cleansing and it was fabrication before. The use of this figure is aiding ethnic cleansing after the fact. Also, 90% figure is grossly misleading. Serbia has 10 million citizens and Kosovo Albanian minority comprises some 20%. The fact that they are
densely located into several postal codes does not give them the right to secede.
It seems that spinmeisters are aware that no democratic principle can allow 20% of the population to secede, against the wish of remaining 80% of the population, so they resort to 90% trick.
Only after the words and figures are used correctly, we can start to discuss to find solution. I am sure that with the use of the accurate terminology, the fog of Kosovo crisis would clear and the solution would be within the reach.
As it is now, it is not likely. George Orwell was so right. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and the telescreen shows the latest news from the Kosovar front.
Of course the status is going to be postponed - thanks to Russia who stands up for the rule of law. Unlike the usa who preach the same, but break whatever they want whenever they feel like it.
If it wasn't for Russia the west would have stolen KiM a long time ago.
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
in line with constitution??? what constitution - of 1974? what a joke.
killing people in the 90-es ... was that in constitution? Stop hiding behind your chairs - listen to people - give them jobs and a better life - they dont care or need kosovo.
unless there is another new UNSC -resolution, in case of an illegal unilateral declaration by the k-albanians, it would be the duty to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Serbia which is a member of the UN.
in that case Albanians would have to deal with a UN that has to act against them.
unless there is another new UNSC -resolution, in case of an illegal unilateral declaration by the k-albanians, it would be the duty to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Serbia which is a member of the UN.
in that case Albanians would have to deal with a UN that has to act against them.
in line with constitution??? what constitution - of 1974? what a joke.
killing people in the 90-es ... was that in constitution? Stop hiding behind your chairs - listen to people - give them jobs and a better life - they dont care or need kosovo.
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
Of course the status is going to be postponed - thanks to Russia who stands up for the rule of law. Unlike the usa who preach the same, but break whatever they want whenever they feel like it.
If it wasn't for Russia the west would have stolen KiM a long time ago.
In order to get out of the morass one must have the accurate map and working compass. This is exactly what is missing in this mess.
Without entering political debate, I will concentrate on the facts.
Under the international law only peoples have the right of self-determination, not ethnic minorities already having a national country of their own. There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions. The whole spin about Kosovo is exactly about this - how to destroy the international legal order that prevents it and how to make inviolability of internationally recognized borders the thing of the past.
In order to hide the fact that Kosovo Albanians as a minority do not have the right to exercise self determination, the spinmeisters resorted to using Albanian word "Kosovar" into English to falsely suggest that Kosovo Albanians (a.k.a. "Kosovars") are the people, thus having the right of self-determination.
Kosovo Albanians have the right of personal autonomy (to rule themselves) but have no right to secede 15% of Serbia's territory as their own.
This is the letter of the UN Charter, International treaties and International law.
The truth is often exposed in the choice of words. Mythical people of Kosovo (a.k.a. "Kosovars") so dear to State Department do not exist. “Kosovar” is an Albanian word for Kosovan, and Kosovan regardless of ethnicity, Serb, Roma, Albanian, Gorani, Turk, Jew, Croat. However, it is used to describe Kosovo Albanians only. The use of this word in this context is exclusive and hurtful – it excludes Serbs, Roma, Goranis, Turks andJews.
This is racism at work.
In order to get out of the mass, the use of term “Kosovar” has to cease in English language reports, as well as “People of Kosovo” because there is no such thing. This is prerequisite of communication.
It is often said that Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Figure. In Kosovo fog, even the figures are not factual. The guideline "Kosovo, population of 2 million, whose 90% of Albanian population seeks independence" was used by media both before and after the ethnic cleansign of 300 000 Serbs, Roma, Gorani and others.
It is evident that both numbers can not be correct. 90% is the outcome of ethnic cleansing and it was fabrication before. The use of this figure is aiding ethnic cleansing after the fact. Also, 90% figure is grossly misleading. Serbia has 10 million citizens and Kosovo Albanian minority comprises some 20%. The fact that they are
densely located into several postal codes does not give them the right to secede.
It seems that spinmeisters are aware that no democratic principle can allow 20% of the population to secede, against the wish of remaining 80% of the population, so they resort to 90% trick.
Only after the words and figures are used correctly, we can start to discuss to find solution. I am sure that with the use of the accurate terminology, the fog of Kosovo crisis would clear and the solution would be within the reach.
As it is now, it is not likely. George Orwell was so right. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and the telescreen shows the latest news from the Kosovar front.
K-albanians are serbian citizens of albanian ethnicity, not more and not less.
unless they are not taught the truth about their origin and history they will continue to believe into those myths about being the descendants of the "illyrians"...even if that is complete nonsense and as even some sound albanian scholars like Ardian Vebiu are admitting...
the 90 % "trick" is a worn-out shoe... only misinformed audience believes in such a cheapish propaganda.
Mr Bob Petrovic I strongly and completely disagree with your manipulated comment!
Kosova it is not a Serbian territory and it has never been! This is how we know the history Mr Petrovich, you may now it different!
I am from Albania and I was grown up with one truth only about Kosova and its Kosovar people, that they are occupied sad Albanians left outside of our natural national borders!
This is absolutely true based on cross countries undisputable historical documents and facts as well as the un manipulative history of Albania!
Kosova was an autonomous province in communist Yugoslavia, it had all the powers that the Serbs are re proposing today and more!
But we all know that the Serbs can revoke the autonomy any time it suits them, just like they did by force! The problem is that Serbia occupied the Albanian Kosova and had to kill all the Albanians and fill it with Serbs and this is what it has been trying to achieve but has failed!
Now how is it possible that on this day and age with the human rights being the most important political movement on our planet, you expect the international communities and the world’s powers to do the same mistake they did back in 1913 when they awarded you Kosovo in an ugly act of shameful betrayal to the Albanian nation!
Kosova is currently speaking independat, and very soon, this year it will declare its Independence!
I am sure there will be someone to cause some kind of disturbance. Now if the populace is calm and understanding of process then all will be good. Now we will see what will happen will cooler heads prevail or will the goverment try to declare independence unilateraly with support of the EU and US then what kind of pickle will they be in. Like Mr petrovich spoke hopefully i said cooler heads will previal.
I am aware that the status will be postponed for a short while, but like President Bush said, it will come the time when enough is enough. For people of Kosova it has already been enough and the more Serbia resist the Independence of Kosova, the more Albanians will resent Serbia and it's aims to keep hostage 2 milion people against their will. To make things worse, Kosova under Serbian rule has ended as one of the poorest region in Europe. So, what makes Serbs believe that somehow Kosova Albanians may soften their stances and accept Presheva Valley Autonomy. I think Serbian politicians and some posters here are really dreaming for the impossible. Can't you see? Even the countries especially Great Britan who at the time let Serbia control Kosova now is calling for its independence. Why? You figure it out! For certain, they realize the mistakes they made, and it's the time for correction. According to average people I hear talking on the streets and cafes of Prishtina. The meeting between Bush and Putin is the last chance.
Serbia will abide by the Constitution in case Kosovo declares independence?
Which one I wonder? The 1974 one? They reacted nicely in the 90s according to that constitution.
Or will they react by the new constitution? You know, the one which All Albanians declared null and void.
P.S. Who said Russia is abides by the rule of law? Are you kidding me? Please for the love of God say you were being sarcastic.
There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions.
-----------------------------
Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
wats goin on here? one by one the west are joining the delay bandwagon. uhmmm...come one come all. more talks would lead to compromise. haste makes waste.
The goal of the Serb administration was to wipe down not only the administrative borders of Kosovo but the “Kosovans” as well.
The fact that Kosovo was a veto-holding member of the Yugoslav federation is never mentioned in any of the articles that are written using the Serb recipes.
This “minority” was larger than your Slovenian, Macedonian or Montenegrin minority in Yugoslavia.
Any recommendation for the solution of the Kosovo problem fails to mention how the above was illegally revoked in 1987. This is only one of the reasons why Kosova, Kosovars, Kosovans or call them whatever you want - will NEVER accept to LIVE in anything that is called Serbia, accept use Serb Dinars or accept to use a passport with the white double headed eagle or deal with anything that uses the CCCC symbol.
Dardan...
Your symbolic rhetoric is "SO yesteryear"....
Serbs said that they'd never accept the Croatian flag during the Krajina war..
Yet today..any young Serb still living in Croatia, respecfully puts the Croatian flag on the car of his wedding day...
Even Serbs and Croats can overcome symbolism...
"Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
(Kreshnik, Tuesday, 19 June, 2007, 07:43) "
Well, if you take that attitude, why don't you stand in line behind the Kurds in waiting for Independence? They clearly deserve it "more". They were slaughtered in much greater numbers. They've been fighting for independence far longer. They don't even have one country yet, while you guys are asking for a second one. The same argument for Kosovo independence is stronger in the case of the Kurds.
I have no problem that two of us view differently the solution of the crisis, but we must use the factually correct arguments:
- The reason for revoking of Kosovo authonomy was that Kosovo Albanian Communists operated Kosovo economy with a flair of a drunken
sailor and Serbia and Yugoslavia could do nothing about it because of the veto you mentioned. MMF finally got fed up with Kosovo Albanian Communist elite and demanded that it has to stop because Kosovo was crippling Yugoslavia's ability to service MMF debt.
The MMF involvement is the reason why the reasons behind the revocation of Kosovo autonomy are not mentioned. Good thing you mentioned it, now it is clear.
-Slovenians, Montenegrins and Macendonians were not minorities in Yugoslavia, as you claim, they were constitutive peoples. Kosovo Albanians were minority with recognized status.
-Kosovo authonomy was neither revoked in 1987 (it was 1989) nor it was revoked illegally, as you claim. It was revoked with the approval of all Federal republics of Yugoslavia because of the MMF diktat.
Now, when we have the erroneous facts rectified, we can deal with assumptions. You claim that Kosovo Albanians will not accept to use dinars or passport with white eagle. Well, criminals (Kosovo Albanian and Serbian) already cooperate, I do not see the reason why law abiding Kosovo Albanians and Serbs can not do the same, trade and make good living. During the Serbia/Montenegro union, Montenegro used Euro, Serbia used dinar. The same can continue with Kosovo, Kosovo can continue to use Euro, this is not a problem. Problem is when you have empty pockets with no euros, dinars, dolars or leks in them.
Today, many Kosovo Albanians use Serbian passports instead of UNMIK's document.
And as of White double headed Eagle on the documents, does it really mattter? You can use black double headed eagle, if you prefer.
Any heraldic expert will laugh at your argument - Albania and Kosovo Albanians in Kosovo already use the coat of arms of Serb Nobleman Djuradj Kastriot :-)
This coat of arms shows whose land it really is. This is as if the Scotts refuse to fly Union Jack and opt for The St. George cross flag instead.
The problem is not in black and white eagle but in people who see the world around them in black and white.
The rejecting of fabrications and falsifications is a prerequisite of fruitful dialog.
When the Kurds are able to attract the attention of the international community like the Albanians did, then they can have their independence. There is nothing wrong with the Kurdish people being independent. What is wrong however and should never be allowed is for them to get their independence on the back of Albanian Kosovars.It's very simple to conceptualize it. Just like any European country must earn its right to be a EU member so should the Kurds. To go further with the analogy- just because Slovenia become a EU member it doesn't mean that Serbia should automatically become one. Like each of the aspiring EU members are not dependent on each other, whether they make it or not in the EU, so are Kosovo/a or Kurdistan not connected to each other whether they become independent or not.
Kosovars are Kosovo citizens and all ethnic groups are unique concerning Kosovo status issue, apart K-Serbs (even there are some positively thinking groups).
How do you name Serbia citizens?!
unless there is another new UNSC -resolution, in case of an illegal unilateral declaration by the k-albanians, it would be the duty to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the republic of Serbia which is a member of the UN.
in that case Albanians would have to deal with a UN that has to act against them.
in line with constitution??? what constitution - of 1974? what a joke.
killing people in the 90-es ... was that in constitution? Stop hiding behind your chairs - listen to people - give them jobs and a better life - they dont care or need kosovo.
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.
3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
Of course the status is going to be postponed - thanks to Russia who stands up for the rule of law. Unlike the usa who preach the same, but break whatever they want whenever they feel like it.
If it wasn't for Russia the west would have stolen KiM a long time ago.
In order to get out of the morass one must have the accurate map and working compass. This is exactly what is missing in this mess.
Without entering political debate, I will concentrate on the facts.
Under the international law only peoples have the right of self-determination, not ethnic minorities already having a national country of their own. There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions. The whole spin about Kosovo is exactly about this - how to destroy the international legal order that prevents it and how to make inviolability of internationally recognized borders the thing of the past.
In order to hide the fact that Kosovo Albanians as a minority do not have the right to exercise self determination, the spinmeisters resorted to using Albanian word "Kosovar" into English to falsely suggest that Kosovo Albanians (a.k.a. "Kosovars") are the people, thus having the right of self-determination.
Kosovo Albanians have the right of personal autonomy (to rule themselves) but have no right to secede 15% of Serbia's territory as their own.
This is the letter of the UN Charter, International treaties and International law.
The truth is often exposed in the choice of words. Mythical people of Kosovo (a.k.a. "Kosovars") so dear to State Department do not exist. “Kosovar” is an Albanian word for Kosovan, and Kosovan regardless of ethnicity, Serb, Roma, Albanian, Gorani, Turk, Jew, Croat. However, it is used to describe Kosovo Albanians only. The use of this word in this context is exclusive and hurtful – it excludes Serbs, Roma, Goranis, Turks andJews.
This is racism at work.
In order to get out of the mass, the use of term “Kosovar” has to cease in English language reports, as well as “People of Kosovo” because there is no such thing. This is prerequisite of communication.
It is often said that Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Figure. In Kosovo fog, even the figures are not factual. The guideline "Kosovo, population of 2 million, whose 90% of Albanian population seeks independence" was used by media both before and after the ethnic cleansign of 300 000 Serbs, Roma, Gorani and others.
It is evident that both numbers can not be correct. 90% is the outcome of ethnic cleansing and it was fabrication before. The use of this figure is aiding ethnic cleansing after the fact. Also, 90% figure is grossly misleading. Serbia has 10 million citizens and Kosovo Albanian minority comprises some 20%. The fact that they are
densely located into several postal codes does not give them the right to secede.
It seems that spinmeisters are aware that no democratic principle can allow 20% of the population to secede, against the wish of remaining 80% of the population, so they resort to 90% trick.
Only after the words and figures are used correctly, we can start to discuss to find solution. I am sure that with the use of the accurate terminology, the fog of Kosovo crisis would clear and the solution would be within the reach.
As it is now, it is not likely. George Orwell was so right. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and the telescreen shows the latest news from the Kosovar front.
K-albanians are serbian citizens of albanian ethnicity, not more and not less.
unless they are not taught the truth about their origin and history they will continue to believe into those myths about being the descendants of the "illyrians"...even if that is complete nonsense and as even some sound albanian scholars like Ardian Vebiu are admitting...
the 90 % "trick" is a worn-out shoe... only misinformed audience believes in such a cheapish propaganda.
Mr Bob Petrovic I strongly and completely disagree with your manipulated comment!
Kosova it is not a Serbian territory and it has never been! This is how we know the history Mr Petrovich, you may now it different!
I am from Albania and I was grown up with one truth only about Kosova and its Kosovar people, that they are occupied sad Albanians left outside of our natural national borders!
This is absolutely true based on cross countries undisputable historical documents and facts as well as the un manipulative history of Albania!
Kosova was an autonomous province in communist Yugoslavia, it had all the powers that the Serbs are re proposing today and more!
But we all know that the Serbs can revoke the autonomy any time it suits them, just like they did by force! The problem is that Serbia occupied the Albanian Kosova and had to kill all the Albanians and fill it with Serbs and this is what it has been trying to achieve but has failed!
Now how is it possible that on this day and age with the human rights being the most important political movement on our planet, you expect the international communities and the world’s powers to do the same mistake they did back in 1913 when they awarded you Kosovo in an ugly act of shameful betrayal to the Albanian nation!
Kosova is currently speaking independat, and very soon, this year it will declare its Independence!
I am sure there will be someone to cause some kind of disturbance. Now if the populace is calm and understanding of process then all will be good. Now we will see what will happen will cooler heads prevail or will the goverment try to declare independence unilateraly with support of the EU and US then what kind of pickle will they be in. Like Mr petrovich spoke hopefully i said cooler heads will previal.
I am aware that the status will be postponed for a short while, but like President Bush said, it will come the time when enough is enough. For people of Kosova it has already been enough and the more Serbia resist the Independence of Kosova, the more Albanians will resent Serbia and it's aims to keep hostage 2 milion people against their will. To make things worse, Kosova under Serbian rule has ended as one of the poorest region in Europe. So, what makes Serbs believe that somehow Kosova Albanians may soften their stances and accept Presheva Valley Autonomy. I think Serbian politicians and some posters here are really dreaming for the impossible. Can't you see? Even the countries especially Great Britan who at the time let Serbia control Kosova now is calling for its independence. Why? You figure it out! For certain, they realize the mistakes they made, and it's the time for correction. According to average people I hear talking on the streets and cafes of Prishtina. The meeting between Bush and Putin is the last chance.
Serbia will abide by the Constitution in case Kosovo declares independence?
Which one I wonder? The 1974 one? They reacted nicely in the 90s according to that constitution.
Or will they react by the new constitution? You know, the one which All Albanians declared null and void.
P.S. Who said Russia is abides by the rule of law? Are you kidding me? Please for the love of God say you were being sarcastic.
There are almost 10 000 ethnic groups in the world and only 200 national states and allowing ethnic minorities to carve up national states is a recipe for bloodshed of unprecedented proportions.
-----------------------------
Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
wats goin on here? one by one the west are joining the delay bandwagon. uhmmm...come one come all. more talks would lead to compromise. haste makes waste.
The goal of the Serb administration was to wipe down not only the administrative borders of Kosovo but the “Kosovans” as well.
The fact that Kosovo was a veto-holding member of the Yugoslav federation is never mentioned in any of the articles that are written using the Serb recipes.
This “minority” was larger than your Slovenian, Macedonian or Montenegrin minority in Yugoslavia.
Any recommendation for the solution of the Kosovo problem fails to mention how the above was illegally revoked in 1987. This is only one of the reasons why Kosova, Kosovars, Kosovans or call them whatever you want - will NEVER accept to LIVE in anything that is called Serbia, accept use Serb Dinars or accept to use a passport with the white double headed eagle or deal with anything that uses the CCCC symbol.
Dardan...
Your symbolic rhetoric is "SO yesteryear"....
Serbs said that they'd never accept the Croatian flag during the Krajina war..
Yet today..any young Serb still living in Croatia, respecfully puts the Croatian flag on the car of his wedding day...
Even Serbs and Croats can overcome symbolism...
"Not all 'ethnic groups' are created equal. There's a huge difference between an Albanian and a South Ossetian(ie. Kosovo Albanians have a population and they live in a land that is contiguous and homogenous)
(Kreshnik, Tuesday, 19 June, 2007, 07:43) "
Well, if you take that attitude, why don't you stand in line behind the Kurds in waiting for Independence? They clearly deserve it "more". They were slaughtered in much greater numbers. They've been fighting for independence far longer. They don't even have one country yet, while you guys are asking for a second one. The same argument for Kosovo independence is stronger in the case of the Kurds.
I have no problem that two of us view differently the solution of the crisis, but we must use the factually correct arguments:
- The reason for revoking of Kosovo authonomy was that Kosovo Albanian Communists operated Kosovo economy with a flair of a drunken
sailor and Serbia and Yugoslavia could do nothing about it because of the veto you mentioned. MMF finally got fed up with Kosovo Albanian Communist elite and demanded that it has to stop because Kosovo was crippling Yugoslavia's ability to service MMF debt.
The MMF involvement is the reason why the reasons behind the revocation of Kosovo autonomy are not mentioned. Good thing you mentioned it, now it is clear.
-Slovenians, Montenegrins and Macendonians were not minorities in Yugoslavia, as you claim, they were constitutive peoples. Kosovo Albanians were minority with recognized status.
-Kosovo authonomy was neither revoked in 1987 (it was 1989) nor it was revoked illegally, as you claim. It was revoked with the approval of all Federal republics of Yugoslavia because of the MMF diktat.
Now, when we have the erroneous facts rectified, we can deal with assumptions. You claim that Kosovo Albanians will not accept to use dinars or passport with white eagle. Well, criminals (Kosovo Albanian and Serbian) already cooperate, I do not see the reason why law abiding Kosovo Albanians and Serbs can not do the same, trade and make good living. During the Serbia/Montenegro union, Montenegro used Euro, Serbia used dinar. The same can continue with Kosovo, Kosovo can continue to use Euro, this is not a problem. Problem is when you have empty pockets with no euros, dinars, dolars or leks in them.
Today, many Kosovo Albanians use Serbian passports instead of UNMIK's document.
And as of White double headed Eagle on the documents, does it really mattter? You can use black double headed eagle, if you prefer.
Any heraldic expert will laugh at your argument - Albania and Kosovo Albanians in Kosovo already use the coat of arms of Serb Nobleman Djuradj Kastriot :-)
This coat of arms shows whose land it really is. This is as if the Scotts refuse to fly Union Jack and opt for The St. George cross flag instead.
The problem is not in black and white eagle but in people who see the world around them in black and white.
The rejecting of fabrications and falsifications is a prerequisite of fruitful dialog.
When the Kurds are able to attract the attention of the international community like the Albanians did, then they can have their independence. There is nothing wrong with the Kurdish people being independent. What is wrong however and should never be allowed is for them to get their independence on the back of Albanian Kosovars.It's very simple to conceptualize it. Just like any European country must earn its right to be a EU member so should the Kurds. To go further with the analogy- just because Slovenia become a EU member it doesn't mean that Serbia should automatically become one. Like each of the aspiring EU members are not dependent on each other, whether they make it or not in the EU, so are Kosovo/a or Kurdistan not connected to each other whether they become independent or not.
Kosovars are Kosovo citizens and all ethnic groups are unique concerning Kosovo status issue, apart K-Serbs (even there are some positively thinking groups).
How do you name Serbia citizens?!
IMAGE SOURCE
21 Komentari
Sortiraj po: