Tadić: UN Kosovo decision unpredictable

Tadic reminds me of Milan Nedic. He does what he is told by the super powers. He does answer to them. And to the mighty dollar. That's why he is willing to give up Kosovo, but still find it possible to bury your national pride and still be friends with the very same countries that caused his country to shrink. What a great leader. If Britian had a man like him in WW2, instead of Churchill, England would be speaking German. If America had a man like him after 9-11, he would be inviting Bin Laden over and offering him the Lincoln Bedroom. In other words, Tadic is a puppet of the Western powers. He does what he is told.

Tadic speaks softly and carries NO stick. He is exactly what America and its allies wanted.

Tadic is being told to shut up and be a mouse. He is doing a great job. If he was a true leader, he would realize that the Americans will NEVER attack Serbia again... not in the post 9-11 days. Not after Clinton realized that the bombing would not end after a week. (remember, Clinton was asked by an Italian prime Minister what would happen if the bombing didn't work after a week. The man had no answer. That shows you just how surprised they were by the Serbian resistance) Do you people honestly think the Americans are willing to spend billions fighting the Serbs again? Or NATO for that matter? If they do, they risk inviting the Mujahadeen and Al'Queda, which would happen once any war began. They would feed on it and start car bombings in order to spread their influence into Europe. Even if the Serbs were the target of the Western powers, which would not happen during this time, the fanatics in the middle east would STILL use the opportunity to move in and start chaos. It would be to their advantage. It would spread the Americans thin.

You think the western powers don't know this? Perhaps they do. Tadic doesn't seem to. Or maybe he does, but he doesn't care. He does what he is told.

“Compromise entails the highest degree of autonomy for Albanian community in Kosovo, self-governance in political and economic sense, without violations to Serbia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Tadic explained.
That is Serbian "compromise". Tadic is shooting himself in the foot. Let me tell you again and again that the Kosovar Albanian compromise is nothing less than full independence from Serbia. That is clear crystal for a sound minded person. That is why the General Secretary of the United Nation sent his Special Envoy President Ahtisari to help the parties to find a visible solution for Kosova. Serbs tried their best to sabotage the process unsuccessfully. They did manage though to delay solution. Well done for that! No one can stop now the full independece for Kosova. So better tell to your people the truth.

EA, I think you have not been reading the news coming out of the G8 summit - NO INDEPENDENCE - a compromise has to be found and that is not the Ahtisaari plan that was attempted but failed to be imposed!!!

Compromise is what is likely to occur and it maybe that it has it's foundation in much of the Ahtisaari plan regarding protecting rights and priveleges of all non-Albanians in the Serbian province while still being obligated to the UN charter and Helsinki act and not calling for the dismemberment of a UN recognised state - once more reconfirming Serbia's territorial integrity and sovreignity over it's province of Kosovo & Metohija!

An earlier attempt at a possible compromise has been called plan C for Contingency - Ahitasri minus status but this still would imply that the status could be reviwed. Given the Russian stance now I think the likely compromise would utilise Ahtisaari plan but with status contined to imperpetuity as Serbian - I like to call it Ahtisaari 'Lite' - 'Zero BS' total Serbian state!!!

"England would be speaking German"

This language quote is often used to talk about one country being invaded and taken over by another. But it doesn't stand up to history. Serbs speak Serbian and not Turkish, Estonians speak Estonian and not Russian and the Welsh language still survives.

It is amazing how Serbs dont relise that they lost Kosovo in 1999.

You elready need a passport to enter Kosovo from Serbia.

Kosovo has its own parlament, police, "protection force", president.

Noone under 18 yers old speaks or understan serbian.

No serbian police or military inside Kosovo and it will newer bee.

so it is wery funny to see that serbia is stugelling to win Kosovo with diplomacy when they wanted to wage a war and lost it.

The GAME WAS OWER in 1999.

You lost it realise that, no hards feelings thats just the truth.

English IS a Germanic language so that phrase has always puzzled me. Back to the issue at hand though.

The Autonomy idea is foolish in my oppinion because it would keep the ethnic Albanians and the Serbs isolated from each other and with a psychological barrier between them even though they shared the same country.

Full integration into Serbia is the lasting answer for the kosovo problem. This would help to undo the barriers and to create lasting understanding between the ethnic groups. The Albanians as 20% of the Serbian population would have a large number of MPs in the Parliament to represent their interests. Once Albanians began to feel they had a real stake in the wellbeing of the country and vice versa then this would create the long term stability needed in the central balkans.

I understand that this will take a major effort and a significant shift of mindset on both side of the ethnic line but what alternative gives a better chance of stability and prosperity for the majority who just want peace and prosperity?

By giving Kosovo independence or some sort of 'more-than-but-less-than' status another tiny State will be created with no real way to survive economically. Serbia will feel agrieved for losing 15% of it's territory and 20% of it's population and the Albanians will feel agrieved that the State or AutonoState they now live in is so constrained by rules and International oversite that it can't function and can't develop. The general discontent created on both sides will just fester and create the conditions for future instability and conflict.

some sort of International Grievance Commission could be set up to hear cases of corruption or abuse for the first ten years so that people in kosovo and serbia had an impartial arbiter to go to with their complaints. But with renewed prosperity and growing trust between the communities reintegration is the best chance for the ordinary people of kosovo and serbia to live well.

Princip,
You can be at peace about me "reading" the news from the G8 summit. The question is not just "reading" the news but understanding the issues debated in G8 summit. You still are repeating yourself again and again try to persuade everyone here that the Serbian sovereignity over Kosova is the best solution. And to make your arguments look more convincing you allegedely are referring to the International Law. We know that you dont give a damn about International Law but when it suits you. Kosova is a very unique case. There has been an etchnic cleansing orchastrated by the Serbian State whom so much "cares" now about the International Law. Serbia was bombed just for that reason. That would mean to start to understand the issue of Kosova. Kosova has been a UN nation protectorate since the Nato bombing ended. You might ask why Nato did not remove Milloshevic from power when they had the chance. That can be argued. But Serbia lost the war and was badly defeated. And that is not the first time.....I know that you and people thinking like you are extremely desperate to find any argument, to use any mean to to keep Kosova under Serbia. But at least for one thing we have to agree to disagree that Kosovars demands for full independence and Serbs demand to keep its soverignity over Kosova are irreconcible. Do you understand that? Now America and Europe is trying very hard to bring Russia on board to understand that the President's Ahtisari Plan for Kosova is the best way forward. As the Kosovar Albanians have accepted that Plan, it will make the Abanian leadership in Kosova accountable to respect the minority rights in Kosova. We know that their dream is to join European Union and our European capital is Brussel. One more thing. Do you think it is something serious and genuine from the today's Serbian leadership that every day in the morning is coming up a "new solution" in finding the "compromise" in Serbs terms. Once again be realistic and patientely see the full independence of Kosova. That will solve once and for all the border problems in the Balkans. It will be good for everyone!

EA, I advise you to look into a dictionary near you and to check the meaning of the word "compromise"!

either you do not know what the word means or you are trying to be somehow cynical...

To: Blacky

Agree with your post but remember that Tadic is irrelevant, the man in real power in Serbia is Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and he is nothing like Tadic. And the Americans and EU cannot soften him up, not a bit.

Jack, I fully agree with your analysis and do believe that the barriers must be removed not artificially created and what's more built even higher!

EA you suggest

"As the Kosovar Albanians have accepted that Plan, it will make the Abanian leadership in Kosova accountable to respect the minority rights in Kosova. We know that their dream is to join European Union and our European capital is Brussel."

- your right only the ethnic-Albanians have accept such a plan but what of the rest of the Serbian citzens who have equal title as any other individal to continue living in the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija???

You deny them any human rights when those who are left cannot live in peace and what of those 240,000+ who are refugees 8 years on & denied to return - such comments by the few ethnic-Albanians who think like you warrant little respect.

The intervention was sold to the western citizen as a "Humanitarian" intervetion;

"Nato intervened in March of this year to stop Milosevic from creating a single ethnic Kosovo. Nato will not stand by and see the creation of another single ethnic Kosovo."
Lord Robertson NATO Chief Oct 1999
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/482970.stm

Yet now it becomes clear that the US only see it as a "partition & dismemberment" intervention of a UN member state! In which case Russia has said all along that the stronger the US suggest so the more ineviatble will be the veto and what then ??? Only the US can be held accountable if it decided to igrnore the UN, UN resolutions it formulated and signed and thus any fallout that follows from such ILLEGAL actions - one wonders if Bush has really thought this one through yet - I guess Iraq in 2007 answers the question - given that was the las time he ignored the UN!!!!

It is a shame that the UN was dictated to by the US when they took up administration of the Serbian province because they have failed to focus on the key to solving the problem. You too equally fail to comprehend - equality of human rights!!! That same reason given for the intervention itself! The US had illconceived their post conflict objectives - as they have done in Iraq!

Only through reconcilation and trust i.e. working together, living, understanding of each other, realising we all have the same aspirations for ourselves and future generations and not wasting our focus on empty promises that are undeliverable and divert attention from the economic development that is so desperately required then all lose out. Maybe one needs to question what, who, why, when, where, how did things culminate in the self imposed apartheid and reprisals by the state against terrorist insurgents in the late 90's Serbia ??? These are questions that a truth and reconcilation comission could look into and find asnwers to - look I am not saying that Serbia's institutions were not to blame but why were they reacting in the way they were is a genuine question that needs resolving too!!!

EA, Such comments by you above are only likely for the remaining non-Albanians (that is all others bar to flee at the first opportunity they have but I guess that has been the objective of individuals like your self - creation of a mono-ethnic state cleansed of all others on what is a neighboring states integral territory. It is interesting that you mention joining the EU - given the 'European' ethos debate I doubt very much that Albania (as we are told in Bush's visit a 'muslim' state) will be joining for a very long long time..... FYI the European capital Brussels you mention, it happens to be the capital of Belguim which is today holding elections - maybe you should look into what one of it's major parties - Vlaams Belang think about the 'European' ethos and who might be part of a larger EU!!! They poll around 12% of the Belguim electrate but given that the largest party polls 15% I think you can imagine the strength of their voice in the multiparty coalitions of the Belgium government and the unlikelyhood of such a party opening the EU doors to what they would see as 'islamic' states irrespective of how secular they may suggest they are! The EU is a far more intricate organisation then you clearly comprehend - which might surprise you in the next few weeks - all I will say is Ahtisaari 'Lite' - no BS, great Serbian state!

To:Canadian

The thing is Kosovars do not care what Tadic or Kostunica have to say. They have to protect their interests. It maters only what USA and EU decide to do. Russia can veto but if Kosova/o is recognized by EU and USA Kosovars will be happy. Serbia can join Russia if that makes them happy. Free choice isn’t it?
Love and Peace

Tadic reminds me of Milan Nedic. He does what he is told by the super powers. He does answer to them. And to the mighty dollar. That's why he is willing to give up Kosovo, but still find it possible to bury your national pride and still be friends with the very same countries that caused his country to shrink. What a great leader. If Britian had a man like him in WW2, instead of Churchill, England would be speaking German. If America had a man like him after 9-11, he would be inviting Bin Laden over and offering him the Lincoln Bedroom. In other words, Tadic is a puppet of the Western powers. He does what he is told.

Tadic speaks softly and carries NO stick. He is exactly what America and its allies wanted.

Tadic is being told to shut up and be a mouse. He is doing a great job. If he was a true leader, he would realize that the Americans will NEVER attack Serbia again... not in the post 9-11 days. Not after Clinton realized that the bombing would not end after a week. (remember, Clinton was asked by an Italian prime Minister what would happen if the bombing didn't work after a week. The man had no answer. That shows you just how surprised they were by the Serbian resistance) Do you people honestly think the Americans are willing to spend billions fighting the Serbs again? Or NATO for that matter? If they do, they risk inviting the Mujahadeen and Al'Queda, which would happen once any war began. They would feed on it and start car bombings in order to spread their influence into Europe. Even if the Serbs were the target of the Western powers, which would not happen during this time, the fanatics in the middle east would STILL use the opportunity to move in and start chaos. It would be to their advantage. It would spread the Americans thin.

You think the western powers don't know this? Perhaps they do. Tadic doesn't seem to. Or maybe he does, but he doesn't care. He does what he is told.

“Compromise entails the highest degree of autonomy for Albanian community in Kosovo, self-governance in political and economic sense, without violations to Serbia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Tadic explained.
That is Serbian "compromise". Tadic is shooting himself in the foot. Let me tell you again and again that the Kosovar Albanian compromise is nothing less than full independence from Serbia. That is clear crystal for a sound minded person. That is why the General Secretary of the United Nation sent his Special Envoy President Ahtisari to help the parties to find a visible solution for Kosova. Serbs tried their best to sabotage the process unsuccessfully. They did manage though to delay solution. Well done for that! No one can stop now the full independece for Kosova. So better tell to your people the truth.

EA, I think you have not been reading the news coming out of the G8 summit - NO INDEPENDENCE - a compromise has to be found and that is not the Ahtisaari plan that was attempted but failed to be imposed!!!

Compromise is what is likely to occur and it maybe that it has it's foundation in much of the Ahtisaari plan regarding protecting rights and priveleges of all non-Albanians in the Serbian province while still being obligated to the UN charter and Helsinki act and not calling for the dismemberment of a UN recognised state - once more reconfirming Serbia's territorial integrity and sovreignity over it's province of Kosovo & Metohija!

An earlier attempt at a possible compromise has been called plan C for Contingency - Ahitasri minus status but this still would imply that the status could be reviwed. Given the Russian stance now I think the likely compromise would utilise Ahtisaari plan but with status contined to imperpetuity as Serbian - I like to call it Ahtisaari 'Lite' - 'Zero BS' total Serbian state!!!

"England would be speaking German"

This language quote is often used to talk about one country being invaded and taken over by another. But it doesn't stand up to history. Serbs speak Serbian and not Turkish, Estonians speak Estonian and not Russian and the Welsh language still survives.

It is amazing how Serbs dont relise that they lost Kosovo in 1999.

You elready need a passport to enter Kosovo from Serbia.

Kosovo has its own parlament, police, "protection force", president.

Noone under 18 yers old speaks or understan serbian.

No serbian police or military inside Kosovo and it will newer bee.

so it is wery funny to see that serbia is stugelling to win Kosovo with diplomacy when they wanted to wage a war and lost it.

The GAME WAS OWER in 1999.

You lost it realise that, no hards feelings thats just the truth.

English IS a Germanic language so that phrase has always puzzled me. Back to the issue at hand though.

The Autonomy idea is foolish in my oppinion because it would keep the ethnic Albanians and the Serbs isolated from each other and with a psychological barrier between them even though they shared the same country.

Full integration into Serbia is the lasting answer for the kosovo problem. This would help to undo the barriers and to create lasting understanding between the ethnic groups. The Albanians as 20% of the Serbian population would have a large number of MPs in the Parliament to represent their interests. Once Albanians began to feel they had a real stake in the wellbeing of the country and vice versa then this would create the long term stability needed in the central balkans.

I understand that this will take a major effort and a significant shift of mindset on both side of the ethnic line but what alternative gives a better chance of stability and prosperity for the majority who just want peace and prosperity?

By giving Kosovo independence or some sort of 'more-than-but-less-than' status another tiny State will be created with no real way to survive economically. Serbia will feel agrieved for losing 15% of it's territory and 20% of it's population and the Albanians will feel agrieved that the State or AutonoState they now live in is so constrained by rules and International oversite that it can't function and can't develop. The general discontent created on both sides will just fester and create the conditions for future instability and conflict.

some sort of International Grievance Commission could be set up to hear cases of corruption or abuse for the first ten years so that people in kosovo and serbia had an impartial arbiter to go to with their complaints. But with renewed prosperity and growing trust between the communities reintegration is the best chance for the ordinary people of kosovo and serbia to live well.

Princip,
You can be at peace about me "reading" the news from the G8 summit. The question is not just "reading" the news but understanding the issues debated in G8 summit. You still are repeating yourself again and again try to persuade everyone here that the Serbian sovereignity over Kosova is the best solution. And to make your arguments look more convincing you allegedely are referring to the International Law. We know that you dont give a damn about International Law but when it suits you. Kosova is a very unique case. There has been an etchnic cleansing orchastrated by the Serbian State whom so much "cares" now about the International Law. Serbia was bombed just for that reason. That would mean to start to understand the issue of Kosova. Kosova has been a UN nation protectorate since the Nato bombing ended. You might ask why Nato did not remove Milloshevic from power when they had the chance. That can be argued. But Serbia lost the war and was badly defeated. And that is not the first time.....I know that you and people thinking like you are extremely desperate to find any argument, to use any mean to to keep Kosova under Serbia. But at least for one thing we have to agree to disagree that Kosovars demands for full independence and Serbs demand to keep its soverignity over Kosova are irreconcible. Do you understand that? Now America and Europe is trying very hard to bring Russia on board to understand that the President's Ahtisari Plan for Kosova is the best way forward. As the Kosovar Albanians have accepted that Plan, it will make the Abanian leadership in Kosova accountable to respect the minority rights in Kosova. We know that their dream is to join European Union and our European capital is Brussel. One more thing. Do you think it is something serious and genuine from the today's Serbian leadership that every day in the morning is coming up a "new solution" in finding the "compromise" in Serbs terms. Once again be realistic and patientely see the full independence of Kosova. That will solve once and for all the border problems in the Balkans. It will be good for everyone!

EA, I advise you to look into a dictionary near you and to check the meaning of the word "compromise"!

either you do not know what the word means or you are trying to be somehow cynical...

To: Blacky

Agree with your post but remember that Tadic is irrelevant, the man in real power in Serbia is Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and he is nothing like Tadic. And the Americans and EU cannot soften him up, not a bit.

Jack, I fully agree with your analysis and do believe that the barriers must be removed not artificially created and what's more built even higher!

EA you suggest

"As the Kosovar Albanians have accepted that Plan, it will make the Abanian leadership in Kosova accountable to respect the minority rights in Kosova. We know that their dream is to join European Union and our European capital is Brussel."

- your right only the ethnic-Albanians have accept such a plan but what of the rest of the Serbian citzens who have equal title as any other individal to continue living in the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija???

You deny them any human rights when those who are left cannot live in peace and what of those 240,000+ who are refugees 8 years on & denied to return - such comments by the few ethnic-Albanians who think like you warrant little respect.

The intervention was sold to the western citizen as a "Humanitarian" intervetion;

"Nato intervened in March of this year to stop Milosevic from creating a single ethnic Kosovo. Nato will not stand by and see the creation of another single ethnic Kosovo."
Lord Robertson NATO Chief Oct 1999
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/482970.stm

Yet now it becomes clear that the US only see it as a "partition & dismemberment" intervention of a UN member state! In which case Russia has said all along that the stronger the US suggest so the more ineviatble will be the veto and what then ??? Only the US can be held accountable if it decided to igrnore the UN, UN resolutions it formulated and signed and thus any fallout that follows from such ILLEGAL actions - one wonders if Bush has really thought this one through yet - I guess Iraq in 2007 answers the question - given that was the las time he ignored the UN!!!!

It is a shame that the UN was dictated to by the US when they took up administration of the Serbian province because they have failed to focus on the key to solving the problem. You too equally fail to comprehend - equality of human rights!!! That same reason given for the intervention itself! The US had illconceived their post conflict objectives - as they have done in Iraq!

Only through reconcilation and trust i.e. working together, living, understanding of each other, realising we all have the same aspirations for ourselves and future generations and not wasting our focus on empty promises that are undeliverable and divert attention from the economic development that is so desperately required then all lose out. Maybe one needs to question what, who, why, when, where, how did things culminate in the self imposed apartheid and reprisals by the state against terrorist insurgents in the late 90's Serbia ??? These are questions that a truth and reconcilation comission could look into and find asnwers to - look I am not saying that Serbia's institutions were not to blame but why were they reacting in the way they were is a genuine question that needs resolving too!!!

EA, Such comments by you above are only likely for the remaining non-Albanians (that is all others bar to flee at the first opportunity they have but I guess that has been the objective of individuals like your self - creation of a mono-ethnic state cleansed of all others on what is a neighboring states integral territory. It is interesting that you mention joining the EU - given the 'European' ethos debate I doubt very much that Albania (as we are told in Bush's visit a 'muslim' state) will be joining for a very long long time..... FYI the European capital Brussels you mention, it happens to be the capital of Belguim which is today holding elections - maybe you should look into what one of it's major parties - Vlaams Belang think about the 'European' ethos and who might be part of a larger EU!!! They poll around 12% of the Belguim electrate but given that the largest party polls 15% I think you can imagine the strength of their voice in the multiparty coalitions of the Belgium government and the unlikelyhood of such a party opening the EU doors to what they would see as 'islamic' states irrespective of how secular they may suggest they are! The EU is a far more intricate organisation then you clearly comprehend - which might surprise you in the next few weeks - all I will say is Ahtisaari 'Lite' - no BS, great Serbian state!

To:Canadian

The thing is Kosovars do not care what Tadic or Kostunica have to say. They have to protect their interests. It maters only what USA and EU decide to do. Russia can veto but if Kosova/o is recognized by EU and USA Kosovars will be happy. Serbia can join Russia if that makes them happy. Free choice isn’t it?
Love and Peace