Macedonia, Albania receive protest notes

Good point. Would the French apply the same to their portion of Basque country? would the Italians give up Sicily? Would France give up Corsica? Would English give up Nothern Ireland or Whales? Would the Americans like if half of California went back to the Mexicans? Would the Czechs like it if all the Germans were given back their property and given their own province?

None of these countries would allow for this. None of them would agree to it. THey would say there is an exception. But who made the exception. They did. So the Serbs are just suppose to accept this while they would never. That's just hypocrisy. Kostunica is right!

Kostunica is right to point this out!

I guess the UK should think twice about what they are doing in the Balkans with their dictate that "our solution is the only and best solution".

How would the UK react in a dominant superpower China of the future allowing the creation of a "Bradfordstan" ? Or what if some ethnic Serbs deceided that they wanted to create a seperate Serbian homeland in the west of London - i.e. a independent Ealing'A'!!! Absurd as it all sounds today I guess that is exactly how absurd it must have been if what is happening today regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija had been put forth as a scenario of the future to the Political leadership and citizens of Yugoslavia in the 60 & 70's!!!!

All it takes is for a determined ethnic group to set about a anti-institution policy, create a self imposed apartheid system, invite over the extened family, have as many childeren as possible and expect the host state to fund it, start attacking the host nations police and civilians so that they antagonise it to the point of retribution, followed by manipulation of the "victim" status of the ethnic group that they have been picked upon!!!

Now, lets think this through July 2005 London transport bombing and the fallout of the muslim population who are getting agrieved that they are being unfairly treated, the rise of support in the British National Party tied in with the Scottish National Party coming to power in their local Parliment as they distance themselves from the English, PM in waiting Gordon Brown warning of the future "Balkanisation" of the UK.....fast forward a bit say 30-40 years from now I wonder where this so called "sui generes" will lead ????

I would love to hear comments from other UK nationals or for that matter the take from US commentators faced with an illigal immigration problem that keeps on requiring one more amnesty again and again..!!!

the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!

Princip, you are right on! The US took Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, parts of Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma and Wyoming from Mexico in 1848, mostly by force although several million dollars was paid to the Mexican government. If Mexico still had these territories they may have become the North American superpower instead of the US. In many parts of "OLD MEXICO" the Mexicans are now the Majority and in other parts their numbers are growing much faster than the indigenous peoples (Mexicans actually consider themselves indigenous) through immigration (mostly illegal) and high birth rates. Our government spins this as people coming to do the work that Americans won't do. The truth is, that most Mexicans consider these states as belonging to Mexico and to Mexicans. They feel that they are just moving from one part of Mexico to the other, in their eyes they are just repopulating lands that have always belonged to them. There are several Mexican organizations that are openly calling for independence, autonomy or a return of these lands back to Mexico. Soon, this time bomb will explode and the US will be faced with a problem greater than the Serbs now face with the Albanians. So how does our government deal with this problem? Appeasement! Short term solution, long term disaster. That's the way we deal with every problem, real solutions are to "radical" so we put a bandage on it and call it a day.

When Slovakia commits genocide on its Hungarian citizens or when Greece does the same on its Albanian citizens or when Romania does it to their Serb citizens, then, and only then should they think this plan would apply to them.

If these nations fear this plan would set a precedent, then they should be aware that the world does put these nations on notice, that if they consider a reign of terror and genocide is the only method to achieve support from minority groups, then, they can expect to lose their nation, not just the right to rule over minority groups.

be_real,

"the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!"

- but who's to know what they might do if they were faced with an ethnic group intent on partitioning the state and willing to blow themselves and innocent people up to achieve their illegal objective!!! That is exactly what Kostunica is highlighting.

Also are you saying that the republic of Serbia (as part of SYFR) did terrorise the ethnic-Albanians in the 50's, 60's 70's, 80's and 00's ???? We all know the reality of events that did occur during the mid 90's when the US & Germany deceided to send it's CIA & BND agents to stirr things up!!!! For the actual truth I would suggest you stop reading the propaganda peddled by the ethnic-Albanians and NATO in it's wish to continue with the lie of justifying the ILLEGAL bombardment of a sovereign nation - the truth is starting to see the light and yes Serbs have reason to be apologetic and regretful for some actions but it is in no way the media hyped propaganda that you believe. Some obejctivie research is taking place on certain events such as Racak and other events of the time http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm#_ftn7

Also if you apply your rational [sic] then it is obvious that the ethnic-Albanians leadership governed by UNMIK, NATO that independence is not deserved seeing as they are responsible for terrorising too!!!

Who is to say what the future holds with such a precedence that independence would in fact create!

Good luck but it is now evident that such folly has finally dawned in the minds of those who matter and as such the the folly is coming to an end with as anticipated no imposition of the dismemberment of a UN regognised memeber state!!

Lorena,

maybe you need to look at the indictment regarding Milosevic in the ICTY - Kosovo was amended because suggesting genocide would have been thrown out so quickly and made a tootal fool of the prosecuters that they had to. Serbia was cleared in the ICJ regarding BiH and there has never been even talk of genocide prosecutions regarding Kosovo - in which case you must be supporting the continued sovereignity of Serbia - I agree!!!

How can Kustunica even think of sending notices to foreign countries that support Kosova Independence. Does Serbia not remember crimes against humanity that they have done in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova? Was that acceptable - those crimes were done and supported by the same people ruling Serbia now and now they are talking about who has the right to say what.

Well, no one has the right to kill others. Those people do NOT want anything to do with Serbia - NOTHING. Even Montenegro split from Serbia .... that should be a clear statement.

All the best and see you in independent Kosova and finally independent Serbia. You can kill ones family and still want to have that person live with you .... it just doesnt work like that.

with the previous post of "Lorena" we have just another proof of how misinformed those Albanians are!

Lorena my dear, with broad autonomy within Serbia, k-albanians will rule themselves, under international supervision of course.

so, there is no reason to claim independence.
except, your goals are completely different than those you are mentioning...

England and Northern Ireland always were friendliest neighbours? England the most colonial nation in the world did not make Norther Ireland suffer? Serbia has a much larger claim to Kosovo then England to NI. S please if you are going to talk then try not to be biased.

BTW in ur face MARTI Serbia 2 Finland 0

Are u insane?

Please read one of the best and most honest articles ever written on the Kosov situation. Take a few minutes, it is eye opening.
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone06022007.html

FYROM government is weak and afraid, even partly held by a noose by the Albanians. For the people of FYROM-Serbia will always be there to defend all of our values from Greater Albanianism-that is a promise.

“the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!
(be_real, Sunday, 3 June, 2007, 12:21)”

Macedonia has people at the Hague for abusing its Albanian population.

Lorena, Serbia did not commit genocide in Kosovo, nor did the crimes rise to anywhere near the level of violence you often see in places like Africa. In addition, after the retaliatory attacks and the 2004 riots, the number of victims per capita is the same for Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo.

What should the punishment be for the Albanian retaliatory attacks?

I would like to remind some posters that Serbs in Bosnia were a constitutive nation with clear right to self-determination enshrined in the supreme law of the land. Despite this obvious fact and before a single shot was fired in Bosnia their rights were systematically denied and ridiculed by the Western financial elites. At the same time all other nations even minorities in the former Yugoslavia were actively encouraged to 'break away' and unilateraly declare independence in breach of the laws of the land and international treaties. True or not? Russia was moving out of Europe and was 'on her knees' and the Western financial elites wanted to cause as much damage as possible to Serbs as they were considered to be Russia's tradional ally. True or not?

Lorena and other Albanian posters. . .

So you continue to ascribe the death of 5,000 people of multi-nationality in Kosovo a genocide? I would say that its amusing but in actuality its sad and pathetic that constituents of countries that had committed genocide in the past (the Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croatians allied with the Nazis in WW2) throw the term genocide so freely when describing the fate of their peoples during the Yugoslav civil wars.

As far as I can see there are hundreds of thousands of Serbs killed and expelled from Kosovo. Serbs were majority in Kosovo only hudred years ago and now are 10%. So Lorena, tell me again who commited genocide?

Why not let southern Kosovo+western Macedonia+Preshevo+southern Montenegro join with Albania and Republica Srpska join with Serbia?Seems like a redrawing of the borders is in order for the long term stability of the Balkans.

This is my response to a letter from Canada’s Foreign Minister MacKay. The letter to me is self explanatory as my response indicates my objections.
Dear Mr. MacKay;
Your government stand on Kosovo is disappointing particularly in the light of international law. Serbia and the successor state Yugoslavia is and was a signatory member of all international treaties including the Helsinki accord on borders. Resolution 1244 speaks broadly on issues in the province including displaced persons, Kosovo status within at that time Yugoslavia. Many of the clauses of Resolution 1244, particularly the ones pertaining to refugees have been violates by the Kosovo Albanians including the return of Serbian refugees, confiscation of Serbian land and desecration of Serbian religious culture. It is unfortunate that Canada under Mr. Harper's administration has become a partner in dismantling resolution 1244 which guaranteed that Kosovo remain part of Serbia. This is a very dangerous precedent for us in Canada as well as for Turkey, Macedonia, Georgia, Rumania, Slovakia, Spain and many other nations that have minorities who in the past like the KLA and the FLQ in Canada have used terrorism as a means to their objective. Canada in the Kosovo case is on the side of terrorism. Mr. MacKay we want unity for Canada why should we participate in dismantling other countries much older than ours.
I must remind you that the evidence of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo prior to the NATO attack on Yugoslavia was only minor caused by Yugoslav forces fighting terrorism. When NATO used an illegal war against Yugoslavia the refuge flood started. This is understandable that people flee conflict zones. As a child in WWII Yugoslavia my peasant mother knew that when German and Italian bombs fell on our village she had to flee with her children into the forest to keep them safe. Millions of refugees have fled Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Lebanon (you remember Mr. MacKay sending ships to evacuate our citizens from Lebanon) and other war zones. Is this ethnic Cleansing or just simply people fleeing a war zone and looking for a safe place for their family. All ethnic groups found sanctuary in Serbia so when you say in your letter to me that Canada participated in an illegal war against Serbia because of ethnic cleansing defies logic. The flood of refugees in Kosovo was created by NATO bombs. This seems to me similar to a fireman setting a fire in a neighborhood and than taking credit for saving its people.
You support Martti Ahtisaari’s plan but who is Martti Athisaari? In his capacity as a government representative of Finland he praised and wanted Finland to build statues in his country for the Finnish SS division active in WWII. A man who praises the SS does not deserve our confidence? It seems to me that Martti Ahtisaari is implementing a plan that was implemented in this region by the Nazis in WWII. You write that "Canada believes that any solution in Kosovo must respect the human rights, especially minority rights, which is why we support the comprehensive recommendations by Mr. Ahtisaari." This is surprising to me since on a daily basis Serbian people are killed, their homes burned, they are harassed, and live in ghettos in their own homeland and not a word from you sir. It seems to me that we pay lip service to Human Rights where Kosovo Serbs are in question while at home you oppose independence foe seven million French Canadians. This sir is hypocrisy?
I am pleased that you continue to monitor the issue in Kosovo but sir our actions must be louder in support of international law and our treaty obligations, the message you are sending to Separatists world wide and in Quebec with our stand on Kosovo is dangerous for our nation and the world.
PS Lorena the nations that you use as an example oppose your point of view and oppose Martti Athisaari’s plan. The only genocide committed in Kosovo was by Albanians in WWI and WWII. The KLA attempted to finish the job recently with NATO help.

Any arguement that these states are further more NATIONS of people deserve less than Kosovo is a joke. The only thing to laugh at more than this are Albanians pretending that there a homeless Nation without a state,ITS NEXT DOOR! And please no more pitty parties. I have felt bad for both sides. Inocenct people were killed because BOTH sides had people who were not inocent. And yes I have been in the region to see what has happened first hand and my heart truely goes out to families that were torn apart by the attrocities that took place. The other people that are spoken of have a distinct difference between them and Albanians living in Serbia (Kosovo), Their land was STOLEN from them and they have no country to call their own. Peple just dont get it and it amazes me. You have a choice of two countries to call your own. Either A:Serbia if you wish to better the country and bring diversity and culture and piece. Or B:Albania the home you've had all along. I personally feel home is where you make it and if it's not your nationalities Country then make home a better place for everyone. Bring piece back thats All anyone deserves and is what everone deserves.

As a British Citizen, I will openly admit that I am not in a position to make any form of judgement on Kosovo (or Kosova or Kosovo-Metohija) [and that is why I am not a politician!] but the question was asked would the English give up Northern Ireland or Scotland?

I cannot answer that question on a number of grounds -
Would the English object - I would argue that there is no such thing as "the English" as a 1000 years of relative peace has made Britain a very mixed country (please define English - someone who lives in England, someone who supports England or something else?)

The English do not rule Britain (Both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are Scottish and a large number of ministers and senior crown servants (civil and Military) come from all around the country (or even former territories).

Most people in England don't care that there are separate parliaments in Wales and Scotland, the people in Wales that I work with consider themselves lucky in some ways but unlucky in others...

The history I was taught was that the "British" "gave up" what is now Ireland due to sufficient internal pressure although the reason for retaining the north is disputed.

Finally, Although I said I am not in a position to make a judgement on Kosovo, my worries are "will an independent Kosovo be sustainable economically?" and "what will the impact on the rest of the Region be? Will Republika Srpska declare independence" As the Chinese say "we live in interesting times"

By these comments, serbs still deny what happened in Kosovo....and show dis-respect to another people, as though they are 2nd class citizens. Unfortunately Blacky, this basic human right is at least presnet in Sicily u mention, in France, and UK and not to mention California. Unfortuntately, unlike serbia, the U.S. for example has not sent its military into California, started committing crimes and then still expecting California to stay within U.S.

Since its fairly obvious that Kosovo will no longer be run but Belgrade, in whatever form, its more embarassing thinking something belongs to you, although its only in name.

Sincerely, I’m sick and tired of all this racist and anti-Mulsim writings here. You’re treating Albanians worse than animals, tried to massacre them in 1999 and do you still think you deserve the land of Kosovo? The logic answer is no.

It’s since three centuries that England doesn’t wage war on Scotland, nor France killed their Basque population, and the United States will NEVER kill or expell its Latin popultaion, because USA is a true civil and democratic country. And differently from the case of Muslims in London, Kosovo has been inhabited by Albanians for ceturies. So, what you’re talking about?

All this Kostunica rethoric about Kosovo (“Kosovo nad Metohija” is just a mere religious naming) it’s a sad parroting of Slobodan Milosevic’s statements.

Serbia lost the right to retain Kosovo when it tried to kill most of its population.
That’s it.

If French or Spanish separatists or Mexicans in the USA or whoever started heavily arming themselves and attacking police and citizens in order to achieve their political goals what would those states do? If those separatists were also given support by a major military alliance and promised to bomb the state for them if such a state tries to defeat them militarily what would such states do? Go ahead explain this to me.

Kevin,

What would your presepctive be on the question I put - how would you react if?


"a dominant superpower China of the future allowing the creation of a "Bradfordstan" ? Or what if some ethnic Serbs deceided that they wanted to create a seperate Serbian homeland in the west of London - i.e. a independent Ealing'A'!!! Absurd as it all sounds today I guess that is exactly how absurd it must have been if what is happening today regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija had been put forth as a scenario of the future to the Political leadership and citizens of Yugoslavia in the 60 & 70's!!!!"

- this is not about Scots or another of the home nations gaining independence but following the integration of the UK further on if an ethnic group internally within a state stirred up by external agents with the intention of destabilising and partitioning the host nation! No nation can accept this and neither should Serbia especially given that there was a UN resolution post Conflict as part of the peace agreement!!! IS 78 days of total bombardment enough suffering to a European state that the International Community see fit to dismenber it????

Princip - you asked what my thought would be and my honest answer is "I don't know". Part of that is because it is (currently) such an unreal prospect due mainly to our history - the Borders of the United Kingdom have basically not changed since the ice age (one benefit of an island) and as I said before, Britain has been effectively at peace for 1000 years. Northern Ireland is the closest I can imagine - if another country insisted that Northern Ireland be separated and become another part of Ireland then I would say that there would be resentment/anger/violence by those living there who want to remain British and they would be supported by some who are "patriotic" but the majority... probably wouldn't care.

That is the true difference between the English and the Serbs. Serbs are a very passionate race proud of your history (arguably some would say too passionate about your "heroic defeats" or "Necrowar") whereas the Brit is proud of lots of small things and one big thing - his personal rights...

A Serb friend explained to me the meaning of Metohija (or rather tried to explain) but it is trying to explain the colour red to someone who is blind - the English/British do not have a "true" spiritual homeland - we have been brought up to be as tolerant of race and religion and thus we have lost something... that the Serbs have retained - passion.

I just hope that in years to come the passion will be "constructive" rather than "destructive".

Good point. Would the French apply the same to their portion of Basque country? would the Italians give up Sicily? Would France give up Corsica? Would English give up Nothern Ireland or Whales? Would the Americans like if half of California went back to the Mexicans? Would the Czechs like it if all the Germans were given back their property and given their own province?

None of these countries would allow for this. None of them would agree to it. THey would say there is an exception. But who made the exception. They did. So the Serbs are just suppose to accept this while they would never. That's just hypocrisy. Kostunica is right!

Kostunica is right to point this out!

I guess the UK should think twice about what they are doing in the Balkans with their dictate that "our solution is the only and best solution".

How would the UK react in a dominant superpower China of the future allowing the creation of a "Bradfordstan" ? Or what if some ethnic Serbs deceided that they wanted to create a seperate Serbian homeland in the west of London - i.e. a independent Ealing'A'!!! Absurd as it all sounds today I guess that is exactly how absurd it must have been if what is happening today regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija had been put forth as a scenario of the future to the Political leadership and citizens of Yugoslavia in the 60 & 70's!!!!

All it takes is for a determined ethnic group to set about a anti-institution policy, create a self imposed apartheid system, invite over the extened family, have as many childeren as possible and expect the host state to fund it, start attacking the host nations police and civilians so that they antagonise it to the point of retribution, followed by manipulation of the "victim" status of the ethnic group that they have been picked upon!!!

Now, lets think this through July 2005 London transport bombing and the fallout of the muslim population who are getting agrieved that they are being unfairly treated, the rise of support in the British National Party tied in with the Scottish National Party coming to power in their local Parliment as they distance themselves from the English, PM in waiting Gordon Brown warning of the future "Balkanisation" of the UK.....fast forward a bit say 30-40 years from now I wonder where this so called "sui generes" will lead ????

I would love to hear comments from other UK nationals or for that matter the take from US commentators faced with an illigal immigration problem that keeps on requiring one more amnesty again and again..!!!

the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!

Princip, you are right on! The US took Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, parts of Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma and Wyoming from Mexico in 1848, mostly by force although several million dollars was paid to the Mexican government. If Mexico still had these territories they may have become the North American superpower instead of the US. In many parts of "OLD MEXICO" the Mexicans are now the Majority and in other parts their numbers are growing much faster than the indigenous peoples (Mexicans actually consider themselves indigenous) through immigration (mostly illegal) and high birth rates. Our government spins this as people coming to do the work that Americans won't do. The truth is, that most Mexicans consider these states as belonging to Mexico and to Mexicans. They feel that they are just moving from one part of Mexico to the other, in their eyes they are just repopulating lands that have always belonged to them. There are several Mexican organizations that are openly calling for independence, autonomy or a return of these lands back to Mexico. Soon, this time bomb will explode and the US will be faced with a problem greater than the Serbs now face with the Albanians. So how does our government deal with this problem? Appeasement! Short term solution, long term disaster. That's the way we deal with every problem, real solutions are to "radical" so we put a bandage on it and call it a day.

When Slovakia commits genocide on its Hungarian citizens or when Greece does the same on its Albanian citizens or when Romania does it to their Serb citizens, then, and only then should they think this plan would apply to them.

If these nations fear this plan would set a precedent, then they should be aware that the world does put these nations on notice, that if they consider a reign of terror and genocide is the only method to achieve support from minority groups, then, they can expect to lose their nation, not just the right to rule over minority groups.

be_real,

"the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!"

- but who's to know what they might do if they were faced with an ethnic group intent on partitioning the state and willing to blow themselves and innocent people up to achieve their illegal objective!!! That is exactly what Kostunica is highlighting.

Also are you saying that the republic of Serbia (as part of SYFR) did terrorise the ethnic-Albanians in the 50's, 60's 70's, 80's and 00's ???? We all know the reality of events that did occur during the mid 90's when the US & Germany deceided to send it's CIA & BND agents to stirr things up!!!! For the actual truth I would suggest you stop reading the propaganda peddled by the ethnic-Albanians and NATO in it's wish to continue with the lie of justifying the ILLEGAL bombardment of a sovereign nation - the truth is starting to see the light and yes Serbs have reason to be apologetic and regretful for some actions but it is in no way the media hyped propaganda that you believe. Some obejctivie research is taking place on certain events such as Racak and other events of the time http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm#_ftn7

Also if you apply your rational [sic] then it is obvious that the ethnic-Albanians leadership governed by UNMIK, NATO that independence is not deserved seeing as they are responsible for terrorising too!!!

Who is to say what the future holds with such a precedence that independence would in fact create!

Good luck but it is now evident that such folly has finally dawned in the minds of those who matter and as such the the folly is coming to an end with as anticipated no imposition of the dismemberment of a UN regognised memeber state!!

Lorena,

maybe you need to look at the indictment regarding Milosevic in the ICTY - Kosovo was amended because suggesting genocide would have been thrown out so quickly and made a tootal fool of the prosecuters that they had to. Serbia was cleared in the ICJ regarding BiH and there has never been even talk of genocide prosecutions regarding Kosovo - in which case you must be supporting the continued sovereignity of Serbia - I agree!!!

How can Kustunica even think of sending notices to foreign countries that support Kosova Independence. Does Serbia not remember crimes against humanity that they have done in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova? Was that acceptable - those crimes were done and supported by the same people ruling Serbia now and now they are talking about who has the right to say what.

Well, no one has the right to kill others. Those people do NOT want anything to do with Serbia - NOTHING. Even Montenegro split from Serbia .... that should be a clear statement.

All the best and see you in independent Kosova and finally independent Serbia. You can kill ones family and still want to have that person live with you .... it just doesnt work like that.

with the previous post of "Lorena" we have just another proof of how misinformed those Albanians are!

Lorena my dear, with broad autonomy within Serbia, k-albanians will rule themselves, under international supervision of course.

so, there is no reason to claim independence.
except, your goals are completely different than those you are mentioning...

England and Northern Ireland always were friendliest neighbours? England the most colonial nation in the world did not make Norther Ireland suffer? Serbia has a much larger claim to Kosovo then England to NI. S please if you are going to talk then try not to be biased.

BTW in ur face MARTI Serbia 2 Finland 0

Are u insane?

Please read one of the best and most honest articles ever written on the Kosov situation. Take a few minutes, it is eye opening.
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone06022007.html

FYROM government is weak and afraid, even partly held by a noose by the Albanians. For the people of FYROM-Serbia will always be there to defend all of our values from Greater Albanianism-that is a promise.

“the countries mr. kostunica is talking about, DID NOT terrorise their citizens!
(be_real, Sunday, 3 June, 2007, 12:21)”

Macedonia has people at the Hague for abusing its Albanian population.

Lorena, Serbia did not commit genocide in Kosovo, nor did the crimes rise to anywhere near the level of violence you often see in places like Africa. In addition, after the retaliatory attacks and the 2004 riots, the number of victims per capita is the same for Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo.

What should the punishment be for the Albanian retaliatory attacks?

I would like to remind some posters that Serbs in Bosnia were a constitutive nation with clear right to self-determination enshrined in the supreme law of the land. Despite this obvious fact and before a single shot was fired in Bosnia their rights were systematically denied and ridiculed by the Western financial elites. At the same time all other nations even minorities in the former Yugoslavia were actively encouraged to 'break away' and unilateraly declare independence in breach of the laws of the land and international treaties. True or not? Russia was moving out of Europe and was 'on her knees' and the Western financial elites wanted to cause as much damage as possible to Serbs as they were considered to be Russia's tradional ally. True or not?

Lorena and other Albanian posters. . .

So you continue to ascribe the death of 5,000 people of multi-nationality in Kosovo a genocide? I would say that its amusing but in actuality its sad and pathetic that constituents of countries that had committed genocide in the past (the Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croatians allied with the Nazis in WW2) throw the term genocide so freely when describing the fate of their peoples during the Yugoslav civil wars.

As far as I can see there are hundreds of thousands of Serbs killed and expelled from Kosovo. Serbs were majority in Kosovo only hudred years ago and now are 10%. So Lorena, tell me again who commited genocide?

Why not let southern Kosovo+western Macedonia+Preshevo+southern Montenegro join with Albania and Republica Srpska join with Serbia?Seems like a redrawing of the borders is in order for the long term stability of the Balkans.

This is my response to a letter from Canada’s Foreign Minister MacKay. The letter to me is self explanatory as my response indicates my objections.
Dear Mr. MacKay;
Your government stand on Kosovo is disappointing particularly in the light of international law. Serbia and the successor state Yugoslavia is and was a signatory member of all international treaties including the Helsinki accord on borders. Resolution 1244 speaks broadly on issues in the province including displaced persons, Kosovo status within at that time Yugoslavia. Many of the clauses of Resolution 1244, particularly the ones pertaining to refugees have been violates by the Kosovo Albanians including the return of Serbian refugees, confiscation of Serbian land and desecration of Serbian religious culture. It is unfortunate that Canada under Mr. Harper's administration has become a partner in dismantling resolution 1244 which guaranteed that Kosovo remain part of Serbia. This is a very dangerous precedent for us in Canada as well as for Turkey, Macedonia, Georgia, Rumania, Slovakia, Spain and many other nations that have minorities who in the past like the KLA and the FLQ in Canada have used terrorism as a means to their objective. Canada in the Kosovo case is on the side of terrorism. Mr. MacKay we want unity for Canada why should we participate in dismantling other countries much older than ours.
I must remind you that the evidence of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo prior to the NATO attack on Yugoslavia was only minor caused by Yugoslav forces fighting terrorism. When NATO used an illegal war against Yugoslavia the refuge flood started. This is understandable that people flee conflict zones. As a child in WWII Yugoslavia my peasant mother knew that when German and Italian bombs fell on our village she had to flee with her children into the forest to keep them safe. Millions of refugees have fled Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Lebanon (you remember Mr. MacKay sending ships to evacuate our citizens from Lebanon) and other war zones. Is this ethnic Cleansing or just simply people fleeing a war zone and looking for a safe place for their family. All ethnic groups found sanctuary in Serbia so when you say in your letter to me that Canada participated in an illegal war against Serbia because of ethnic cleansing defies logic. The flood of refugees in Kosovo was created by NATO bombs. This seems to me similar to a fireman setting a fire in a neighborhood and than taking credit for saving its people.
You support Martti Ahtisaari’s plan but who is Martti Athisaari? In his capacity as a government representative of Finland he praised and wanted Finland to build statues in his country for the Finnish SS division active in WWII. A man who praises the SS does not deserve our confidence? It seems to me that Martti Ahtisaari is implementing a plan that was implemented in this region by the Nazis in WWII. You write that "Canada believes that any solution in Kosovo must respect the human rights, especially minority rights, which is why we support the comprehensive recommendations by Mr. Ahtisaari." This is surprising to me since on a daily basis Serbian people are killed, their homes burned, they are harassed, and live in ghettos in their own homeland and not a word from you sir. It seems to me that we pay lip service to Human Rights where Kosovo Serbs are in question while at home you oppose independence foe seven million French Canadians. This sir is hypocrisy?
I am pleased that you continue to monitor the issue in Kosovo but sir our actions must be louder in support of international law and our treaty obligations, the message you are sending to Separatists world wide and in Quebec with our stand on Kosovo is dangerous for our nation and the world.
PS Lorena the nations that you use as an example oppose your point of view and oppose Martti Athisaari’s plan. The only genocide committed in Kosovo was by Albanians in WWI and WWII. The KLA attempted to finish the job recently with NATO help.

Any arguement that these states are further more NATIONS of people deserve less than Kosovo is a joke. The only thing to laugh at more than this are Albanians pretending that there a homeless Nation without a state,ITS NEXT DOOR! And please no more pitty parties. I have felt bad for both sides. Inocenct people were killed because BOTH sides had people who were not inocent. And yes I have been in the region to see what has happened first hand and my heart truely goes out to families that were torn apart by the attrocities that took place. The other people that are spoken of have a distinct difference between them and Albanians living in Serbia (Kosovo), Their land was STOLEN from them and they have no country to call their own. Peple just dont get it and it amazes me. You have a choice of two countries to call your own. Either A:Serbia if you wish to better the country and bring diversity and culture and piece. Or B:Albania the home you've had all along. I personally feel home is where you make it and if it's not your nationalities Country then make home a better place for everyone. Bring piece back thats All anyone deserves and is what everone deserves.

As a British Citizen, I will openly admit that I am not in a position to make any form of judgement on Kosovo (or Kosova or Kosovo-Metohija) [and that is why I am not a politician!] but the question was asked would the English give up Northern Ireland or Scotland?

I cannot answer that question on a number of grounds -
Would the English object - I would argue that there is no such thing as "the English" as a 1000 years of relative peace has made Britain a very mixed country (please define English - someone who lives in England, someone who supports England or something else?)

The English do not rule Britain (Both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are Scottish and a large number of ministers and senior crown servants (civil and Military) come from all around the country (or even former territories).

Most people in England don't care that there are separate parliaments in Wales and Scotland, the people in Wales that I work with consider themselves lucky in some ways but unlucky in others...

The history I was taught was that the "British" "gave up" what is now Ireland due to sufficient internal pressure although the reason for retaining the north is disputed.

Finally, Although I said I am not in a position to make a judgement on Kosovo, my worries are "will an independent Kosovo be sustainable economically?" and "what will the impact on the rest of the Region be? Will Republika Srpska declare independence" As the Chinese say "we live in interesting times"

By these comments, serbs still deny what happened in Kosovo....and show dis-respect to another people, as though they are 2nd class citizens. Unfortunately Blacky, this basic human right is at least presnet in Sicily u mention, in France, and UK and not to mention California. Unfortuntately, unlike serbia, the U.S. for example has not sent its military into California, started committing crimes and then still expecting California to stay within U.S.

Since its fairly obvious that Kosovo will no longer be run but Belgrade, in whatever form, its more embarassing thinking something belongs to you, although its only in name.

Sincerely, I’m sick and tired of all this racist and anti-Mulsim writings here. You’re treating Albanians worse than animals, tried to massacre them in 1999 and do you still think you deserve the land of Kosovo? The logic answer is no.

It’s since three centuries that England doesn’t wage war on Scotland, nor France killed their Basque population, and the United States will NEVER kill or expell its Latin popultaion, because USA is a true civil and democratic country. And differently from the case of Muslims in London, Kosovo has been inhabited by Albanians for ceturies. So, what you’re talking about?

All this Kostunica rethoric about Kosovo (“Kosovo nad Metohija” is just a mere religious naming) it’s a sad parroting of Slobodan Milosevic’s statements.

Serbia lost the right to retain Kosovo when it tried to kill most of its population.
That’s it.

If French or Spanish separatists or Mexicans in the USA or whoever started heavily arming themselves and attacking police and citizens in order to achieve their political goals what would those states do? If those separatists were also given support by a major military alliance and promised to bomb the state for them if such a state tries to defeat them militarily what would such states do? Go ahead explain this to me.

Kevin,

What would your presepctive be on the question I put - how would you react if?


"a dominant superpower China of the future allowing the creation of a "Bradfordstan" ? Or what if some ethnic Serbs deceided that they wanted to create a seperate Serbian homeland in the west of London - i.e. a independent Ealing'A'!!! Absurd as it all sounds today I guess that is exactly how absurd it must have been if what is happening today regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija had been put forth as a scenario of the future to the Political leadership and citizens of Yugoslavia in the 60 & 70's!!!!"

- this is not about Scots or another of the home nations gaining independence but following the integration of the UK further on if an ethnic group internally within a state stirred up by external agents with the intention of destabilising and partitioning the host nation! No nation can accept this and neither should Serbia especially given that there was a UN resolution post Conflict as part of the peace agreement!!! IS 78 days of total bombardment enough suffering to a European state that the International Community see fit to dismenber it????

Princip - you asked what my thought would be and my honest answer is "I don't know". Part of that is because it is (currently) such an unreal prospect due mainly to our history - the Borders of the United Kingdom have basically not changed since the ice age (one benefit of an island) and as I said before, Britain has been effectively at peace for 1000 years. Northern Ireland is the closest I can imagine - if another country insisted that Northern Ireland be separated and become another part of Ireland then I would say that there would be resentment/anger/violence by those living there who want to remain British and they would be supported by some who are "patriotic" but the majority... probably wouldn't care.

That is the true difference between the English and the Serbs. Serbs are a very passionate race proud of your history (arguably some would say too passionate about your "heroic defeats" or "Necrowar") whereas the Brit is proud of lots of small things and one big thing - his personal rights...

A Serb friend explained to me the meaning of Metohija (or rather tried to explain) but it is trying to explain the colour red to someone who is blind - the English/British do not have a "true" spiritual homeland - we have been brought up to be as tolerant of race and religion and thus we have lost something... that the Serbs have retained - passion.

I just hope that in years to come the passion will be "constructive" rather than "destructive".