“Russia buying time for Serbia”

Well another prospective about the Kosovo issue i am sure it will be more.

James Lyon, you can keep on dreaming because Serbia is not up for grabs and there will be no partion whatsoever. Of course you and all at the international crisis group are sad because you couldn't get it your way and illegaly take territory away from Serbia.

Regarding the comments of Milosevic holds no case as history in Kosovo/Serbia did not start nor end with Milosevic. By the way who was it that started killing serb police and serb civilians in Kosovo?

KLA/UCK!

“The only reason the world is backing Kosovo Albanians’ push for independence is because of what Serbs had done to them during the Milošević era. If that had not happened, no one would advocate independence now,”

Well the whole world obviously isn't backing independence, only certain countries. And also there were plenty of advocates for Kosovan independence prior to 1998/9. One being the ICG: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1596&l=1

it would be interesting to know on which basis B92 is picking out the articles to be presented here...

are those ICG-guys relevant? don´t think so.

but what is the ultimate ambition of B92? serving the interests of the socalled pro-independence lobbyists? or providing information to the public?

just forgot to add:

the only reason some nations involved are backing the unlawful claims is that they do not want to be involved in further complications with a fanatized ( k-albanian ) society.

instead of that kind of failed "appeasement" the US and others should clearly address to the Albanians to accept international law.

but, as it seems, they think giving in to the Albanians is the minor curse. they could be wrong.

Well said, but partition of northern part of Kosovo will pose the precedent to a lot of territories in dispute. Example: Eastern Kosova (Preseva valley), Western Macedonia. Who said that I was wrong when I voted for Thaci party and participated on Albin Kurti protests? Also, everybody here in Kosovo know since before, that Serbs will try to separate Northern part. But taking in consideration that due to the presence of the KFOR on the North (and clashes starts) massacres on civilians will not be allowed as Serbs use to do in Kosovo on1998-99, I wander if Serbs will be able to wage-face successfully the Albanian guerrilla and keep the North?

thanks James.
please can you try to explain why the US is so aggressive in its support of Kosovo's independence?
is it something to do with Camp Bondsteel, ie the European Guantanamo?

Jovan, You want to censure the information like Milosevic did. Of course you want because you oare not any different of him.

Justice Veritas you smart bird, how I see you are the only one who dream here.

Without a UN resolution Kosovo will always remain a part of Serbia. If Russia VETOs it then there will be war. Maybe not now but 10 years from now for sure. And even if they do claim independence without the UN its safe to say Republica Srpska will do the same.

Since December 1996 has come to a close, let’s move on to Albania’s State lie of 1997, which was a cover for their declaration of war with Serbia. According to Albania’s history, their pillar of defence, that would be their military, collapsed because of a monetary pyramid scheme. Therefore Albania’s military weapons were purged by investors and made its way to Albanians in Serbia. This is the action Albania used to declare war on Serbia. Albania fortified their front lines with bunkers many decades ago. Albania is in violation of the United Nations charter.

Now Djindjic followers will understand what Islamic enemies of the State do when there is no unity.

dingd,
Maybe it is something new for you but you should know that there are countries like the US, who are guided by a sense of justice in the world. Thank God for that.

US guided by a sense of justice...i hope thats a joke.
US is lead by Bush who supports war on any country that does not agree with them.

Well, there are times when i think abut how can the two communities live side by side in Kosovo. But then i read the comments in B92 news and i immediately conclude that there is a grim future for the two communities to be able to live together so long as we have people like the commentates here.

I hope i am wrong, but given that this is the way most people express their views and their beliefs and after reading them, it leaves little hope that such a goal is achievable or tenable. It's disturbing that the very people who suffered from such a hatred promote and insight the very same views that brought us where we currently are, without the slightest remorse for the fellow human beings or consideration that they have the right to life ( isn't that the first principle of human rights?)

Most of the commentators in here defend some rotten idea of a mythical past or even if it's the truth, why does it matter more the people who make the place, but the ideology that has had detrimental effects to the very people of the Balkans seems to be the paramount for most of you in the debate. I really get frustrated by the sheer blindness of people by some sort of sacred beliefs that no matter what the reality is they chose to believe and follow the same mythical ideologies that in the present times have no value or meaning to most of us. I'm sure that many of you who read and do not participate on this belittling (in both sides) debates would agree with me that the way forwards is for people to be able to chose for themselves, after all that's what we all want.

Please, i urge you all to stop and think for a moment or two! do not hate one and another regardless to who we are and where we come from, after all we all are aiming for similar goals. We want freedom, better life chances and to live without the fear of repression and have the governments interference as little as possible in our lives. We all have suffered immensely since the history began, lets learn from our past and build a future where human values and human dignity are paramount into our lives.

And what is this going to accomplish? Two thirds of Kosovo's Serbs live south of the Ibar, along with all the major monasteries and cultural landmarks that are crucial to Serbia's "cradle" Is Belgrade now going to write off everything else for the sake of holding on to just the top third? And does anyone here honestly believe that Belgrade, even if it does retain the norther part, will be satisfied once the southern part is emptied of Serbs and the last of its landmarks destroyed? Does anyone here honestly think the Albanians are then going to keep up the pretentious facade of playing hippie-dippy multiculturalism like it's being told to if a partition ensues? All rubbish!

"Jovan, You want to censure the information like Milosevic did. Of course you want because you oare not any different of him.
(ME, Monday, 28 May, 2007, 16:30)"

first: I am totally against censorship, since it is clear that all those albanian crimes are kept under the umbrella of disinformation ( "isolated incidents" ) and as if it was not bad enough attacks and incidents against Kosovo Serbs and non-Albanians are continuing, so accusing me of "wanting" censorship is far, really FAR from reason.

www.kosovocompromise.com

Valdet, listen if Holbrook didn't intervene in 1998 at Junik and Milosevic foolishly go along with the ceasefire your Albanian gorilla's were history. Once again you needed someone to fight your battles for you. Funny none of your great gorilla leaders were harmed during the conflict other than Jashari who hid behind his family and cost them their lives. Some hero. Of course they are now building a statue of Bill Clinton when it should be Monica L. who should have one. She the only reason Billy became the Albanian airforce. You really didn't think he was doing it for you.Wag the dog baby.

M, Monday!

I understand your views and support them but the serbs just want what legally belongs to them. Nothing more nothing less. Is that too much to ask?

comrades: kosovar independence is right around the corner, and you can call us all nasty names and throw things and ugly epithets, but it will not change this, thank god! and thanks to nato and eu troops, which need to stay put! i do take the "veiled" threats from belgrade very seriously indeed, and don't look forward to another bloodbath in the balkans -- there is more than enough warfare going on in the world, or has no one here noticed?

by the way, it is not "hippie-dippie" to construct and foster a multi-cultural democracy (isn't that what serbia has already, or so i'm being told??) but you need the will and means. electing one corrupt fascist nationalist after another doesn't do it, thank you democrati russia, thank you serbia, thank you RS... and elsewhere. and yes, bush was "elected" here, twice, and under very questionable circumstances and haven't we all suffered enough because of it?? (BTW, my 2 states of michigan and california went srictly against him!) but it is also more than who you elect -- there has to be a basic respect for human rights, the rights of minorities -- the attempt to work thru differences peaceably -- of not to engage in genocide with yr neighbors just because you feel like it! we don't have it perfect here, i can tell you, but at least we are trying, and so can you, inside serbia, inside soon-to-be-independent kosovo/a, bosnia, etc. there is just no other way!

robert-0

Only in Serbia, or should i say only on B92, can a fool and anti-Serb like Lyon get his own blog. Shame on B92

First of all I would like to use this opportunity to apologize to Mike for one of my posts in another article (he will know which one). Although the post was intended to provoke a reaction, Mike was offended and rightly so.

Second, I agree with Mike, in such case there would be no reason for the southern Serbs enclaves to exist. If northern Kosovo if forcefully taken from Kosovo, the Serbs south of the ibar will be better of leaving peacefully.

The current “facade of multiculturalism” is only that a “facade”. I truly believe that we would be at each others throats the next chance we get. Which is precisely why I believe independence for Kosovo is the only viable option to ensure peace in our little corner of the world.

On the other hand, you should not think the Albanians are rampaging barbarians out to destroy every church and monastery in Kosovo. There are hundreds of catholic churches and cathedrals in Kosovo and not even one was attacked or destroyed by K-Albanians.

Hundreds of mosques were destroyed in Kosovo during the war by Serbian forces and people murdered in them.

How is a Church more holy than a Mosque?

I am not a religious man but I do believe that all holy places of any religion should be equally respected and protected and I condemn attacks on all places of worship. However no Serb has yet apologized nor have they even admitted to the destruction of hundreds of mosques in Kosovo.

Why is this? Is it because you genuinely believe the K-Albanians are lying or is it that you are so blinded to believe that somehow Christianity is superior to Islam and by implication a Church is more holy than a Mosque?

Thanks Nick, no worries.

As an Orthodox, the monastery issue is one that is dear to me, and even though I'm not a Serb, I hate to see history and culture (church or mosque) go up in flames because a few idiots have nothing else better to do to vent their anger. I personally would love to visit Kosovo one day and find that religious and cultural sites need not be surrounded by walls and armed guards. I also believe that one of the first - and strongest - gestures the Serbian side can do is to extend the hand of cooperation between religious communities to help dispell mistrust and animosity between the two sides. Rebuilding destroyed landmarks is one thing, but having the rebuilding project done by the same community that earlier damaged/destroyed them is symbolic.

I really have no clue as to how Kosovo is going to end up as a state. I have my own speculations, but they're just that: speculations. I can hope and be optimistic and at the very least if I can engage in a respectable and mature debate with someone of an opposing opinion, that's a great start.

I am glad to find that there is actually a few people in here who are discussing this matter in a civilized manner and using basic human rights as basis for their arguments.

I personally think that there is this belief in the balkans that the larger you look on the map the more powerful you are. This belief is way more important in our region than basic human rights and values that are enjoyed by our European neighbours. I can surley say that a significant percentage of Serbs from Serbia have never been to Kosovo to see the situation first hand. Same goes for Kosovars. I have personally moved to Canada as a refugee because of the cleansing that was happening in Kosovo. I have no reasons to lie to you because my objective is to bring people closer together not the other way around. But truth needs to be told, and from that people from either side should try and put themselves in their opponents shoes and measure the weight of both arguments.

I can guarantee you that if Serbs were in the situation that we are now, the very same people that are using "international law of territorial integrity" as their argument would go against it based on the ill-treatment of (e.i scenario) Serbs by the Albanian state.
And me being an Albanian would use "international law" as my argument because our primary objective is to be larger on the map. It is the truth and it is wrong, because we do not go deep enough into the problem to understand that there is actual people whos backs we are playing this game on. There is actual people that have gone through a lot and still go through a lot (both included; Albanians and Serbs)because their future is not certain.

On top of that....I may be biased on this due to what nationality i am and the present scenario but i truly mean it. I think that the law of "territorial integrity" should be reviewed and changed to a measureable bar with a specific line which indicates whether one state has the trust or the right to govern a minority if the line of ill-treatment is crossed.

Well another prospective about the Kosovo issue i am sure it will be more.

James Lyon, you can keep on dreaming because Serbia is not up for grabs and there will be no partion whatsoever. Of course you and all at the international crisis group are sad because you couldn't get it your way and illegaly take territory away from Serbia.

Regarding the comments of Milosevic holds no case as history in Kosovo/Serbia did not start nor end with Milosevic. By the way who was it that started killing serb police and serb civilians in Kosovo?

KLA/UCK!

“The only reason the world is backing Kosovo Albanians’ push for independence is because of what Serbs had done to them during the Milošević era. If that had not happened, no one would advocate independence now,”

Well the whole world obviously isn't backing independence, only certain countries. And also there were plenty of advocates for Kosovan independence prior to 1998/9. One being the ICG: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1596&l=1

it would be interesting to know on which basis B92 is picking out the articles to be presented here...

are those ICG-guys relevant? don´t think so.

but what is the ultimate ambition of B92? serving the interests of the socalled pro-independence lobbyists? or providing information to the public?

just forgot to add:

the only reason some nations involved are backing the unlawful claims is that they do not want to be involved in further complications with a fanatized ( k-albanian ) society.

instead of that kind of failed "appeasement" the US and others should clearly address to the Albanians to accept international law.

but, as it seems, they think giving in to the Albanians is the minor curse. they could be wrong.

Well said, but partition of northern part of Kosovo will pose the precedent to a lot of territories in dispute. Example: Eastern Kosova (Preseva valley), Western Macedonia. Who said that I was wrong when I voted for Thaci party and participated on Albin Kurti protests? Also, everybody here in Kosovo know since before, that Serbs will try to separate Northern part. But taking in consideration that due to the presence of the KFOR on the North (and clashes starts) massacres on civilians will not be allowed as Serbs use to do in Kosovo on1998-99, I wander if Serbs will be able to wage-face successfully the Albanian guerrilla and keep the North?

thanks James.
please can you try to explain why the US is so aggressive in its support of Kosovo's independence?
is it something to do with Camp Bondsteel, ie the European Guantanamo?

Jovan, You want to censure the information like Milosevic did. Of course you want because you oare not any different of him.

Justice Veritas you smart bird, how I see you are the only one who dream here.

Without a UN resolution Kosovo will always remain a part of Serbia. If Russia VETOs it then there will be war. Maybe not now but 10 years from now for sure. And even if they do claim independence without the UN its safe to say Republica Srpska will do the same.

Since December 1996 has come to a close, let’s move on to Albania’s State lie of 1997, which was a cover for their declaration of war with Serbia. According to Albania’s history, their pillar of defence, that would be their military, collapsed because of a monetary pyramid scheme. Therefore Albania’s military weapons were purged by investors and made its way to Albanians in Serbia. This is the action Albania used to declare war on Serbia. Albania fortified their front lines with bunkers many decades ago. Albania is in violation of the United Nations charter.

Now Djindjic followers will understand what Islamic enemies of the State do when there is no unity.

dingd,
Maybe it is something new for you but you should know that there are countries like the US, who are guided by a sense of justice in the world. Thank God for that.

US guided by a sense of justice...i hope thats a joke.
US is lead by Bush who supports war on any country that does not agree with them.

Well, there are times when i think abut how can the two communities live side by side in Kosovo. But then i read the comments in B92 news and i immediately conclude that there is a grim future for the two communities to be able to live together so long as we have people like the commentates here.

I hope i am wrong, but given that this is the way most people express their views and their beliefs and after reading them, it leaves little hope that such a goal is achievable or tenable. It's disturbing that the very people who suffered from such a hatred promote and insight the very same views that brought us where we currently are, without the slightest remorse for the fellow human beings or consideration that they have the right to life ( isn't that the first principle of human rights?)

Most of the commentators in here defend some rotten idea of a mythical past or even if it's the truth, why does it matter more the people who make the place, but the ideology that has had detrimental effects to the very people of the Balkans seems to be the paramount for most of you in the debate. I really get frustrated by the sheer blindness of people by some sort of sacred beliefs that no matter what the reality is they chose to believe and follow the same mythical ideologies that in the present times have no value or meaning to most of us. I'm sure that many of you who read and do not participate on this belittling (in both sides) debates would agree with me that the way forwards is for people to be able to chose for themselves, after all that's what we all want.

Please, i urge you all to stop and think for a moment or two! do not hate one and another regardless to who we are and where we come from, after all we all are aiming for similar goals. We want freedom, better life chances and to live without the fear of repression and have the governments interference as little as possible in our lives. We all have suffered immensely since the history began, lets learn from our past and build a future where human values and human dignity are paramount into our lives.

And what is this going to accomplish? Two thirds of Kosovo's Serbs live south of the Ibar, along with all the major monasteries and cultural landmarks that are crucial to Serbia's "cradle" Is Belgrade now going to write off everything else for the sake of holding on to just the top third? And does anyone here honestly believe that Belgrade, even if it does retain the norther part, will be satisfied once the southern part is emptied of Serbs and the last of its landmarks destroyed? Does anyone here honestly think the Albanians are then going to keep up the pretentious facade of playing hippie-dippy multiculturalism like it's being told to if a partition ensues? All rubbish!

"Jovan, You want to censure the information like Milosevic did. Of course you want because you oare not any different of him.
(ME, Monday, 28 May, 2007, 16:30)"

first: I am totally against censorship, since it is clear that all those albanian crimes are kept under the umbrella of disinformation ( "isolated incidents" ) and as if it was not bad enough attacks and incidents against Kosovo Serbs and non-Albanians are continuing, so accusing me of "wanting" censorship is far, really FAR from reason.

www.kosovocompromise.com

Valdet, listen if Holbrook didn't intervene in 1998 at Junik and Milosevic foolishly go along with the ceasefire your Albanian gorilla's were history. Once again you needed someone to fight your battles for you. Funny none of your great gorilla leaders were harmed during the conflict other than Jashari who hid behind his family and cost them their lives. Some hero. Of course they are now building a statue of Bill Clinton when it should be Monica L. who should have one. She the only reason Billy became the Albanian airforce. You really didn't think he was doing it for you.Wag the dog baby.

M, Monday!

I understand your views and support them but the serbs just want what legally belongs to them. Nothing more nothing less. Is that too much to ask?

comrades: kosovar independence is right around the corner, and you can call us all nasty names and throw things and ugly epithets, but it will not change this, thank god! and thanks to nato and eu troops, which need to stay put! i do take the "veiled" threats from belgrade very seriously indeed, and don't look forward to another bloodbath in the balkans -- there is more than enough warfare going on in the world, or has no one here noticed?

by the way, it is not "hippie-dippie" to construct and foster a multi-cultural democracy (isn't that what serbia has already, or so i'm being told??) but you need the will and means. electing one corrupt fascist nationalist after another doesn't do it, thank you democrati russia, thank you serbia, thank you RS... and elsewhere. and yes, bush was "elected" here, twice, and under very questionable circumstances and haven't we all suffered enough because of it?? (BTW, my 2 states of michigan and california went srictly against him!) but it is also more than who you elect -- there has to be a basic respect for human rights, the rights of minorities -- the attempt to work thru differences peaceably -- of not to engage in genocide with yr neighbors just because you feel like it! we don't have it perfect here, i can tell you, but at least we are trying, and so can you, inside serbia, inside soon-to-be-independent kosovo/a, bosnia, etc. there is just no other way!

robert-0

Only in Serbia, or should i say only on B92, can a fool and anti-Serb like Lyon get his own blog. Shame on B92

First of all I would like to use this opportunity to apologize to Mike for one of my posts in another article (he will know which one). Although the post was intended to provoke a reaction, Mike was offended and rightly so.

Second, I agree with Mike, in such case there would be no reason for the southern Serbs enclaves to exist. If northern Kosovo if forcefully taken from Kosovo, the Serbs south of the ibar will be better of leaving peacefully.

The current “facade of multiculturalism” is only that a “facade”. I truly believe that we would be at each others throats the next chance we get. Which is precisely why I believe independence for Kosovo is the only viable option to ensure peace in our little corner of the world.

On the other hand, you should not think the Albanians are rampaging barbarians out to destroy every church and monastery in Kosovo. There are hundreds of catholic churches and cathedrals in Kosovo and not even one was attacked or destroyed by K-Albanians.

Hundreds of mosques were destroyed in Kosovo during the war by Serbian forces and people murdered in them.

How is a Church more holy than a Mosque?

I am not a religious man but I do believe that all holy places of any religion should be equally respected and protected and I condemn attacks on all places of worship. However no Serb has yet apologized nor have they even admitted to the destruction of hundreds of mosques in Kosovo.

Why is this? Is it because you genuinely believe the K-Albanians are lying or is it that you are so blinded to believe that somehow Christianity is superior to Islam and by implication a Church is more holy than a Mosque?

Thanks Nick, no worries.

As an Orthodox, the monastery issue is one that is dear to me, and even though I'm not a Serb, I hate to see history and culture (church or mosque) go up in flames because a few idiots have nothing else better to do to vent their anger. I personally would love to visit Kosovo one day and find that religious and cultural sites need not be surrounded by walls and armed guards. I also believe that one of the first - and strongest - gestures the Serbian side can do is to extend the hand of cooperation between religious communities to help dispell mistrust and animosity between the two sides. Rebuilding destroyed landmarks is one thing, but having the rebuilding project done by the same community that earlier damaged/destroyed them is symbolic.

I really have no clue as to how Kosovo is going to end up as a state. I have my own speculations, but they're just that: speculations. I can hope and be optimistic and at the very least if I can engage in a respectable and mature debate with someone of an opposing opinion, that's a great start.

I am glad to find that there is actually a few people in here who are discussing this matter in a civilized manner and using basic human rights as basis for their arguments.

I personally think that there is this belief in the balkans that the larger you look on the map the more powerful you are. This belief is way more important in our region than basic human rights and values that are enjoyed by our European neighbours. I can surley say that a significant percentage of Serbs from Serbia have never been to Kosovo to see the situation first hand. Same goes for Kosovars. I have personally moved to Canada as a refugee because of the cleansing that was happening in Kosovo. I have no reasons to lie to you because my objective is to bring people closer together not the other way around. But truth needs to be told, and from that people from either side should try and put themselves in their opponents shoes and measure the weight of both arguments.

I can guarantee you that if Serbs were in the situation that we are now, the very same people that are using "international law of territorial integrity" as their argument would go against it based on the ill-treatment of (e.i scenario) Serbs by the Albanian state.
And me being an Albanian would use "international law" as my argument because our primary objective is to be larger on the map. It is the truth and it is wrong, because we do not go deep enough into the problem to understand that there is actual people whos backs we are playing this game on. There is actual people that have gone through a lot and still go through a lot (both included; Albanians and Serbs)because their future is not certain.

On top of that....I may be biased on this due to what nationality i am and the present scenario but i truly mean it. I think that the law of "territorial integrity" should be reviewed and changed to a measureable bar with a specific line which indicates whether one state has the trust or the right to govern a minority if the line of ill-treatment is crossed.