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Friday, 25.05.2007.

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Wisner: UN talks on Kosovo proceeding rapidly

U.S. Kosovo talks representative Frank Wisner says United Nations discussions of the issue are proceeding rapidly.

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Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Gigi, let me tell you a litte story:
Wisner's father was a patriot and stunch opponent of USSR and all comunist countries. He did not betray Albanians, but it was Kim Philby and his two associates that went to same University(all Brits). Th e secret operations to overthrow Enver hoxha and his regime it started at thethe end of 1947 and in 1953 all operations stopped, since they discovered that they have been betrayed. Yes, it is true that a lot of Albanians trained in Germany among other places they were killed, thanks to Kim and his boddies passing the info to Soviets. Don't try to defame Wisner's name.

Gigi

pre 16 godina

Do any of you know who this Wisner guy is? He is the son of a man who sent many Albanians to their deaths when he worked for the CIA after WWII. Wisner, the Dad organised Albanians who had fleed Communist Albania to the West, into secret attack units which were sent into Communist Albania in hopes that they could organize uprising against the Communist government.

Working with Wisner( the Dad) on this Albanian action, was a Soviet Spy named Kim Philby. Wisner supposedly did NOT know that Philby was alerting the Communists whenever a group of anti-Communists were planning an armed landing in Albania.

Long story, with twists and turns, but Wisner( the Dad ) had a mental break-down after it was discovered that Philby was telling ALL the secrets of the CIA to the USSR!! Wisner, the Dad, left the CIA and later shot himself with his son's ( the present day Ambassador Wisner) gun.

I wonder if the code of Lek, you know, the killing off of all the male heirs of anybody who causes the death of any Albanian works on folks who caused the death of Albanians about 60 years ago.

Does the Ambassador have anything to fear from his present day Albanian pals??

I wonder. Also there is some serious scandal attached to the Ambassador's wealth and how he got it, here in the USA.

ilir

pre 16 godina

Strange dear serbs. I see you have lost control. Apparently you didnt expect the news that Italy will join USA, UK, France, EU foreign politics, Slovakia, Indionesia, South Africa, Ghana, Qatar and any other NORMAL country which agree that Kosovo - this 98% ALBANIAN inhabited territory which was OCCUPIED and colonized by serbs first in XII century and than in 1913 (by the way, whithour never succeeding to change its demographics)- should be given back to its natural owners.
And yes kate. If you are a blind proserbian supporter, this is an UNBELIEVEBLE news. Nobody is illegaly taking 15% of the territory to anybody. Giving independence to Kosovo means making justice. Serbia stole this territory of albanians in 1913. It is true it was not an Albanian state there when Serbia did this (It was the turkish occupators). Kosovo have suffered a lot because it passed from an invader to anther. But this do not gives the right to serbs to pretend they are the legitimate rulers of that area which never accepted their state and the unfair decision which transformed the most vital nationalist albanian region, in a "south slavic" domain.
Now the majority of the world is restoring the legallity for the people living there, which have been mistreated, discriminated and prosecuted for years and years just for the "inat" that they are not assimilable. Another bitter news is that China which doesnt forget that Albania was the first country to recognize it, will abstein on SC of UN. And after that, Russia will follow. So say bye bye to your last colony, you exploited for years leving it in a desperate economic and cultural situation, and have a good afternoon in Belgrade.
ilir

Cvele

pre 16 godina

To Canadian.
Very well states. I agree 100%.
However, they will have to keep EU if they ever want the corruption to drop. I am a Serb.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

If Kosovo is so close to independence, then why is America afraid to put the UN resolution to a vote? They keep delaying and delaying. They know that no matter how they phrase it, Russia and China will veto it which will produce a massive party in the streets of Beograd.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

gezim basha, Kosovo might have become part of Serbia in 1913, but this was after many centuries of a cultural and indigenous presence there. A colony is region politically controlled by a distant country. Obvious this is not the case with Kosovo as it was an integral part of Serbia within Yugoslavia. India wasn't an integral part of the UK and it didn't have any indigenous British people there either. If you want to end colonialism in Europe then you should be looking at Gibraltar. The term "colony" vis-a-vis Kosovo is a anti-Serb propaganda of the Argumentum ad nauseam variety.

mehilo p.

pre 16 godina

Of course the Italian government will back independence. Do you seriously think they would break from the chain pulling them around by their big brothers. Just ask their troops on the ground, Decani-Pec area, and see where their thoughts are on status, especially after the last rocket attack on the monastery. Mr. Wisner will say anything at this point due to the fact the US chairs the UNSC only until the end of May. They will be exerting maximun pressure on all their minions until then.

gezim basha

pre 16 godina

A new independent Kosova will mark the end of colonialism in Europe because Kosova was anexed by Serbia in 1913. To say now that serbia can not give away 15% of its teritory is a joke. British empire gave away 90% of its teritory by allowing India and other countries to become independent.

spunky

pre 16 godina

To KATE
Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.
(kate, Friday, 25 May, 2007, 10:30)
i have to admit it! when ever i read your comments i get upset! your comments never cease to amaze me....trust me i dont mean to be insulting. if you want to make comments on kosovo and the albanians or even the balkans in general you need to know more of that area. you have never made a comment that is in touch with reality. all your comments are based from the serbian state run propaganda and absolutely ridiculous.
for goodness sake what do you mean supervised autonomy. are you trying to give the alabanians much less than they actually had before milosevic.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

For all those Albanians who feel they have a big brother in the USA looking after their interest, I think it’s high time that you all have a reality check!
First of all, Albanians and American’s have nothing in common, secondly if America was truly concerned about people outside their own country they would be doing all they can in Africa where atrocities are happening every second of the day, genocide? In Africa they are writing the book on Genocide!!!, where is America to help Africa!? The fact is there is no corporate value in Africa, but this is not so in Kosovo. When the NATO war ended in Serbia, Corporate American and some Western European industries went to work in Serbia. Take Coka-Cola for example, Coke was always in Serbia, ever since World War 2, but during all that time they were only selling one product, Coke! But as of 2002 Coka-Cola has virtually bought every Domestic Serbian soft drink bottler and spring water bottler, thus wiping out any and all competition and increasing their profit margin, this information is easily found on the internet, in fact B92 did a story on Coka-Cola’s profit margin this year. Now moving along, US Steele has taken over majority ownership of Serbian Steele, then there is Fiat, who is buying up anything and everything, the list goes on and on, since 2000 there have been 256 foreign companies that have bought up just about everything that was once Serbian owned, of those 256 companies 181 are American. This brings me to Kosovo. Does anyone realize or even know how much wealth is below the ground in Kosovo? Its natural minerals are estimated to be worth Billions of dollars, and did anyone here know that these resources are less then 5% tapped? I bet most of you didn’t know this. What is going on here my friends is all about the dollar, not about the people. America does not care about the Albanian; to them you are largely an uneducated, highly unemployable, very angry child who needs supervision. The average age in Kosovo is under 24, of which most people’s education was interrupted by the war, thus is why I made the claim of largely uneducated. If Kosovo gets independence and it seems very unlikely, then the best the Albanian people can hope for in the future is to serve their master the USA, and I use the word master because they will be making all the money on the land of Kosovo and the Albanians will be working for minimum wages. How many millionaires does Kosovo have to afford to start industry? None! (Not including the criminals) so you see, you cannot own, you can only work for an owner, which will most likely be American. 20 years later a group like the KLA will form again and bomb two American buildings or down some American planes. The USA will retaliate by wiping out the Kosovars like they did in Afghanistan, and Corporate America will go back to work in Kosovo.

I have been to Kosovo; I have been to Serbia, many of times.

It is ironic really, but the Albanians best option is supervised autonomy, then they will have no masters but themselves and yet they are blind to see this. By having supervised autonomy, Corporate America does not get in to Kosovo, and the Albanians rule themselves, they will be as broke as they are now but at least they will have no masters, Serbia saves face with their people and the genocide continues in Africa ignored, in other words the world goes on and the only loser here is corporate America.

And for those of you think I am a Serb, I am not. And I am not Anti-American either, in fact I own a condo apartment in Florida where I spend at least 3 months a year.

Rovena

pre 16 godina

JHam, maybe they're singing and dancing because they are the only ones in this forum that live effectively in kosovo and this is what they were expecting from a long time? Have you ever thought about it? It says nothing to you that the people that live there wants independence? I think a lot of people here have forgotten that the land is there for the people and not the contrary.

Jason

pre 16 godina

This sounds about right an Italian politician speaking like a "yes" man to Albanian business men. As an Italian American I'm very disappointed to see people from my cultural homeland make such a ridiculous remark. I'v said it before and I'll say it again. No actions should be taken that violate the UN Charter. You can not alter borders and disrupt the territorial integrity of a soverign state.

At least the Russians are using their heads. I just hope they stick to their guns and veto this. Regardless of popular belief I don't see the US backing a unilateral independance. Especially not if parts of the EU start to falter in their support. Which is happening.

We also shouldn't forget about China, I believe they hold a veto and may use it if Russia doesn't. Does anyone really believe they want to have this president set with the situation in Taiwan? especially right before they are set to host the Olympics?

Giver

pre 16 godina

Kosovo's life as a state will be doomed before it begins. Everyone knows Kosovo (IF it ever gets independence) rightfully belongs to Serbia. Albanians ethnically cleansed Kosovo for the last 100 years (with the help of their Nazi allies of course). This is the perfect time for Russia to show the world they are BACK. A move by Russia to BLOCK Kosovo's independence and spoil the United States plan of creating another puppet state in the Balkans will show the world that they are a Superpower once again.

Wake up ladies and gentlemen, the world is changing, the U.S. had its 15min of fame, and they are soon coming to a very quick end. Russia literally has the future in its hand... or LAND i should say. (to the tune of world ENERGY)

May will come and go without Independence, so will June, after enough failures the U.S. and its lackies will quickly realize that their 15 year unhindered rule of the world is over. Its a good thing too, the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Today's Serbia, however, "is a democratic country with which we want to work to find a solution to this problem," he said."

In that case, why the objection to K-Serbs' desire to remain under Belgrade? The north will detach itself from the rest of Kosovo in the event of unilateral proclamation of independence. And I don't think Pristina can do anything to stop that since it never controlled the north.

Deqanas

pre 16 godina

grazie l'Italia...

Still getting closer and closer..i can almost feel the independence...
I think that lot of democrat-serbs are also better of from kosovo,so they can work there way up ,creating there own Democratic state of serbia ,without criminals and nationalists ..So we can all live free and in better future,for us and our children..

olli

pre 16 godina

A funny man this mixed-up D'Alema.

He wishes to work together with Serbia in order "to find a solution to this problem".

I wonder is he taking Serbs for Kosovo Albanians? Or maybe he missed to study basic psychology.

I can sense the weight of pressure laid on ministers of EU countries. It doesn't allow blood to rise to brain.

John

pre 16 godina

When Frankie talks Albanians listen and believe him like little little sheep. This man is full of double-speak...case in point:
Wisner: The US will unilaterally recognize Kosovo's independence if the Russians veto.

Freid: The US will not act unilaterally without a UN resolution.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Yes...
Perhaps the US needs another coalition member for its' Iranian campaign..
It will join other countries like Albania and Korea..

We'll call it "The coalition of the Schilling"...haha..

tatiana stojkovic

pre 16 godina

its the ususal blah blah blah diplomacy but it means nothing so long as russia's putin is standing by his decision as a man should be. with china on the sidelines, watch out. This is the best way US could do as it is totally being humiliated by IRAN despite its being a superpower.

Vuk

pre 16 godina

Has anyone pondered on the idea that combined with veto Russians could stop the EU economy in its tracks by cutting off the gas/oil reserves?

I think many countries oppose the Kosovo independance and a particulary hilarious example is the Slovak stance where overnight they completly changed their stance. Only the strong it seems can stand their ground in this world of bribary and capatalism.

All i can say is that i am becoming distguisted with the suggestions for Albanians in this forum; serbia should do this serbia should do that.

Ill tell you what guys what do you think Serbs are going to do if Kosovo becomes indpendant? Sit there and wait for the EU to join? I dont think so, your average Serb will do anything and everything in their power to keep Kosovo and frankly thats not going to help any sort of stability because that means war.

aca

pre 16 godina

Imagine that! Italy supports looking beyond the past and supports the idea of an independent state on Serbian soil in a post-Ottoman, post-Nazi era. Such an idea is absurd.

Chief

pre 16 godina

How much money did Italians make from the 1990s wars? How much extra pay did those involved receive? How many friends and enemies did Italy have before the 1990s? How many do they have now? There is one Serb who bettered the lives of all Italians than all of Islam of centuries past and present: Nikola Tesla. There is no need for desert pistols.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Afrim,
you hit the point head on and I guess this is a bit of a Freudian slip but very telling indeed;

"Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... "

- no mention of allies of "Kosovarians" the state that is to be proposed ranks being independent - and that really is the crux of the matter!!! Since what is being expected of Serbia is the ILLEGAL seizure by a neighbouring nationality and thus the state of Albania - no two ways around it but that is agression by deception and as such will never be acceptable as a resolution. It can come forth as a draft as many times as certain "few" states would want to pursue such folly but ultimately International Law is either respected or overridden at much peril!!! I sense the time is coming for the final nail in the folly and thankfully we will then be able to forge a new understanding that Serbia is a multi-ethnic democratic state and those who live within it's boundries need to "conform to it" - nothing more nothing less!

Bob

pre 16 godina

So they are to persue this irresponsible route.

Diplomats play dangerous games - they bend words to 'satisfy' political nicities. That does not stop them being wrong.

Why do they not consider the more sensible solution - full automomy, but not independence.

There should be no reward for the ethnic land-grab that has been persued by the ethnic Albanians.

It will be a reward for ethnic cleansing.

The precedent being set here is far too dangerous - the diplomats have not faced that realistically.

Instead of fundamental law being up-held by judges, it is being fiddled with by diplomats and politicians.

Serbia is now going down the democratic path. The international community should respect that by following the legal norms. In the longer term it will save lives.

Jack

pre 16 godina

"A country so strong and vital as Serbia (should) turn towards the future, without remaining attached to ideas of the past,"

Does D'Alema mean the idea of territorial intergrity of a Sovereign Nation? Or possibly the right of a Sovereign nation to determine it's own policy and agendas without outside interference, without imposed solutions and without suffering occupation by a foreign military?

Or is D'Alema trying to be 'Everyman'? If he had been addressing Serbia business leaders instead of Albanian ones would his message have been different?

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Very good advise coming from Mr.D'Alema. Serbia should listen and except advises from old friends and neighborhs.It's for the good of all Balkans.

adi,pz

pre 16 godina

i can not "believe" that any european country can be so blunt in extending its official stance toward kosova's independence! i doubt that serbian regime (kostunica & co) will read and understand this massage as it is. the serbian regime must make up its mind and demonstrate that they belong to european mentality and not to Caucasian and Carpathian mindset.

kosova will be independent country 100%, in one or another way.

cheers,
adi

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Thanks to Italy for supporting the Independence of Kosova.
Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... Serbia is still continuing the strategy of isolationism started by Milosevic... continued by the so called democrat Kostunica... This is one more reason why albanians do not want to stay under Serbia because we do not want to be a country that is being isolated more and more each serb leader steps in.
Good Job Serb leaders for isolating Serbia and loosing its allies.

Ahilleas

pre 16 godina

Well then i would suppose the italian state would have no problem giving independence to "Magna Graecia" for the matter,
thus giving a chance to the greek population which lives in the half southern part of Italy (south of Rome) to escape the violent process of latinification they have gone thru the years since ancient times....

Would you do that Mr Dalema?

Shukri Gashi

pre 16 godina

As decision time nears, only Russia and Serbia are going to be against Kosovo Independence. Even Sllovaky which parliament endorsed a resolution against Kosovo Independence has change their mind. I am very impatient to see the resolution.

kate

pre 16 godina

Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.

gezim basha

pre 16 godina

A new independent Kosova will mark the end of colonialism in Europe because Kosova was anexed by Serbia in 1913. To say now that serbia can not give away 15% of its teritory is a joke. British empire gave away 90% of its teritory by allowing India and other countries to become independent.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Thanks to Italy for supporting the Independence of Kosova.
Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... Serbia is still continuing the strategy of isolationism started by Milosevic... continued by the so called democrat Kostunica... This is one more reason why albanians do not want to stay under Serbia because we do not want to be a country that is being isolated more and more each serb leader steps in.
Good Job Serb leaders for isolating Serbia and loosing its allies.

kate

pre 16 godina

Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.

Shukri Gashi

pre 16 godina

As decision time nears, only Russia and Serbia are going to be against Kosovo Independence. Even Sllovaky which parliament endorsed a resolution against Kosovo Independence has change their mind. I am very impatient to see the resolution.

Ahilleas

pre 16 godina

Well then i would suppose the italian state would have no problem giving independence to "Magna Graecia" for the matter,
thus giving a chance to the greek population which lives in the half southern part of Italy (south of Rome) to escape the violent process of latinification they have gone thru the years since ancient times....

Would you do that Mr Dalema?

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Very good advise coming from Mr.D'Alema. Serbia should listen and except advises from old friends and neighborhs.It's for the good of all Balkans.

adi,pz

pre 16 godina

i can not "believe" that any european country can be so blunt in extending its official stance toward kosova's independence! i doubt that serbian regime (kostunica & co) will read and understand this massage as it is. the serbian regime must make up its mind and demonstrate that they belong to european mentality and not to Caucasian and Carpathian mindset.

kosova will be independent country 100%, in one or another way.

cheers,
adi

Jack

pre 16 godina

"A country so strong and vital as Serbia (should) turn towards the future, without remaining attached to ideas of the past,"

Does D'Alema mean the idea of territorial intergrity of a Sovereign Nation? Or possibly the right of a Sovereign nation to determine it's own policy and agendas without outside interference, without imposed solutions and without suffering occupation by a foreign military?

Or is D'Alema trying to be 'Everyman'? If he had been addressing Serbia business leaders instead of Albanian ones would his message have been different?

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Afrim,
you hit the point head on and I guess this is a bit of a Freudian slip but very telling indeed;

"Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... "

- no mention of allies of "Kosovarians" the state that is to be proposed ranks being independent - and that really is the crux of the matter!!! Since what is being expected of Serbia is the ILLEGAL seizure by a neighbouring nationality and thus the state of Albania - no two ways around it but that is agression by deception and as such will never be acceptable as a resolution. It can come forth as a draft as many times as certain "few" states would want to pursue such folly but ultimately International Law is either respected or overridden at much peril!!! I sense the time is coming for the final nail in the folly and thankfully we will then be able to forge a new understanding that Serbia is a multi-ethnic democratic state and those who live within it's boundries need to "conform to it" - nothing more nothing less!

Bob

pre 16 godina

So they are to persue this irresponsible route.

Diplomats play dangerous games - they bend words to 'satisfy' political nicities. That does not stop them being wrong.

Why do they not consider the more sensible solution - full automomy, but not independence.

There should be no reward for the ethnic land-grab that has been persued by the ethnic Albanians.

It will be a reward for ethnic cleansing.

The precedent being set here is far too dangerous - the diplomats have not faced that realistically.

Instead of fundamental law being up-held by judges, it is being fiddled with by diplomats and politicians.

Serbia is now going down the democratic path. The international community should respect that by following the legal norms. In the longer term it will save lives.

Vuk

pre 16 godina

Has anyone pondered on the idea that combined with veto Russians could stop the EU economy in its tracks by cutting off the gas/oil reserves?

I think many countries oppose the Kosovo independance and a particulary hilarious example is the Slovak stance where overnight they completly changed their stance. Only the strong it seems can stand their ground in this world of bribary and capatalism.

All i can say is that i am becoming distguisted with the suggestions for Albanians in this forum; serbia should do this serbia should do that.

Ill tell you what guys what do you think Serbs are going to do if Kosovo becomes indpendant? Sit there and wait for the EU to join? I dont think so, your average Serb will do anything and everything in their power to keep Kosovo and frankly thats not going to help any sort of stability because that means war.

tatiana stojkovic

pre 16 godina

its the ususal blah blah blah diplomacy but it means nothing so long as russia's putin is standing by his decision as a man should be. with china on the sidelines, watch out. This is the best way US could do as it is totally being humiliated by IRAN despite its being a superpower.

Chief

pre 16 godina

How much money did Italians make from the 1990s wars? How much extra pay did those involved receive? How many friends and enemies did Italy have before the 1990s? How many do they have now? There is one Serb who bettered the lives of all Italians than all of Islam of centuries past and present: Nikola Tesla. There is no need for desert pistols.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Yes...
Perhaps the US needs another coalition member for its' Iranian campaign..
It will join other countries like Albania and Korea..

We'll call it "The coalition of the Schilling"...haha..

aca

pre 16 godina

Imagine that! Italy supports looking beyond the past and supports the idea of an independent state on Serbian soil in a post-Ottoman, post-Nazi era. Such an idea is absurd.

olli

pre 16 godina

A funny man this mixed-up D'Alema.

He wishes to work together with Serbia in order "to find a solution to this problem".

I wonder is he taking Serbs for Kosovo Albanians? Or maybe he missed to study basic psychology.

I can sense the weight of pressure laid on ministers of EU countries. It doesn't allow blood to rise to brain.

John

pre 16 godina

When Frankie talks Albanians listen and believe him like little little sheep. This man is full of double-speak...case in point:
Wisner: The US will unilaterally recognize Kosovo's independence if the Russians veto.

Freid: The US will not act unilaterally without a UN resolution.

Deqanas

pre 16 godina

grazie l'Italia...

Still getting closer and closer..i can almost feel the independence...
I think that lot of democrat-serbs are also better of from kosovo,so they can work there way up ,creating there own Democratic state of serbia ,without criminals and nationalists ..So we can all live free and in better future,for us and our children..

Giver

pre 16 godina

Kosovo's life as a state will be doomed before it begins. Everyone knows Kosovo (IF it ever gets independence) rightfully belongs to Serbia. Albanians ethnically cleansed Kosovo for the last 100 years (with the help of their Nazi allies of course). This is the perfect time for Russia to show the world they are BACK. A move by Russia to BLOCK Kosovo's independence and spoil the United States plan of creating another puppet state in the Balkans will show the world that they are a Superpower once again.

Wake up ladies and gentlemen, the world is changing, the U.S. had its 15min of fame, and they are soon coming to a very quick end. Russia literally has the future in its hand... or LAND i should say. (to the tune of world ENERGY)

May will come and go without Independence, so will June, after enough failures the U.S. and its lackies will quickly realize that their 15 year unhindered rule of the world is over. Its a good thing too, the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Today's Serbia, however, "is a democratic country with which we want to work to find a solution to this problem," he said."

In that case, why the objection to K-Serbs' desire to remain under Belgrade? The north will detach itself from the rest of Kosovo in the event of unilateral proclamation of independence. And I don't think Pristina can do anything to stop that since it never controlled the north.

Jason

pre 16 godina

This sounds about right an Italian politician speaking like a "yes" man to Albanian business men. As an Italian American I'm very disappointed to see people from my cultural homeland make such a ridiculous remark. I'v said it before and I'll say it again. No actions should be taken that violate the UN Charter. You can not alter borders and disrupt the territorial integrity of a soverign state.

At least the Russians are using their heads. I just hope they stick to their guns and veto this. Regardless of popular belief I don't see the US backing a unilateral independance. Especially not if parts of the EU start to falter in their support. Which is happening.

We also shouldn't forget about China, I believe they hold a veto and may use it if Russia doesn't. Does anyone really believe they want to have this president set with the situation in Taiwan? especially right before they are set to host the Olympics?

Rovena

pre 16 godina

JHam, maybe they're singing and dancing because they are the only ones in this forum that live effectively in kosovo and this is what they were expecting from a long time? Have you ever thought about it? It says nothing to you that the people that live there wants independence? I think a lot of people here have forgotten that the land is there for the people and not the contrary.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

For all those Albanians who feel they have a big brother in the USA looking after their interest, I think it’s high time that you all have a reality check!
First of all, Albanians and American’s have nothing in common, secondly if America was truly concerned about people outside their own country they would be doing all they can in Africa where atrocities are happening every second of the day, genocide? In Africa they are writing the book on Genocide!!!, where is America to help Africa!? The fact is there is no corporate value in Africa, but this is not so in Kosovo. When the NATO war ended in Serbia, Corporate American and some Western European industries went to work in Serbia. Take Coka-Cola for example, Coke was always in Serbia, ever since World War 2, but during all that time they were only selling one product, Coke! But as of 2002 Coka-Cola has virtually bought every Domestic Serbian soft drink bottler and spring water bottler, thus wiping out any and all competition and increasing their profit margin, this information is easily found on the internet, in fact B92 did a story on Coka-Cola’s profit margin this year. Now moving along, US Steele has taken over majority ownership of Serbian Steele, then there is Fiat, who is buying up anything and everything, the list goes on and on, since 2000 there have been 256 foreign companies that have bought up just about everything that was once Serbian owned, of those 256 companies 181 are American. This brings me to Kosovo. Does anyone realize or even know how much wealth is below the ground in Kosovo? Its natural minerals are estimated to be worth Billions of dollars, and did anyone here know that these resources are less then 5% tapped? I bet most of you didn’t know this. What is going on here my friends is all about the dollar, not about the people. America does not care about the Albanian; to them you are largely an uneducated, highly unemployable, very angry child who needs supervision. The average age in Kosovo is under 24, of which most people’s education was interrupted by the war, thus is why I made the claim of largely uneducated. If Kosovo gets independence and it seems very unlikely, then the best the Albanian people can hope for in the future is to serve their master the USA, and I use the word master because they will be making all the money on the land of Kosovo and the Albanians will be working for minimum wages. How many millionaires does Kosovo have to afford to start industry? None! (Not including the criminals) so you see, you cannot own, you can only work for an owner, which will most likely be American. 20 years later a group like the KLA will form again and bomb two American buildings or down some American planes. The USA will retaliate by wiping out the Kosovars like they did in Afghanistan, and Corporate America will go back to work in Kosovo.

I have been to Kosovo; I have been to Serbia, many of times.

It is ironic really, but the Albanians best option is supervised autonomy, then they will have no masters but themselves and yet they are blind to see this. By having supervised autonomy, Corporate America does not get in to Kosovo, and the Albanians rule themselves, they will be as broke as they are now but at least they will have no masters, Serbia saves face with their people and the genocide continues in Africa ignored, in other words the world goes on and the only loser here is corporate America.

And for those of you think I am a Serb, I am not. And I am not Anti-American either, in fact I own a condo apartment in Florida where I spend at least 3 months a year.

spunky

pre 16 godina

To KATE
Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.
(kate, Friday, 25 May, 2007, 10:30)
i have to admit it! when ever i read your comments i get upset! your comments never cease to amaze me....trust me i dont mean to be insulting. if you want to make comments on kosovo and the albanians or even the balkans in general you need to know more of that area. you have never made a comment that is in touch with reality. all your comments are based from the serbian state run propaganda and absolutely ridiculous.
for goodness sake what do you mean supervised autonomy. are you trying to give the alabanians much less than they actually had before milosevic.

mehilo p.

pre 16 godina

Of course the Italian government will back independence. Do you seriously think they would break from the chain pulling them around by their big brothers. Just ask their troops on the ground, Decani-Pec area, and see where their thoughts are on status, especially after the last rocket attack on the monastery. Mr. Wisner will say anything at this point due to the fact the US chairs the UNSC only until the end of May. They will be exerting maximun pressure on all their minions until then.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

gezim basha, Kosovo might have become part of Serbia in 1913, but this was after many centuries of a cultural and indigenous presence there. A colony is region politically controlled by a distant country. Obvious this is not the case with Kosovo as it was an integral part of Serbia within Yugoslavia. India wasn't an integral part of the UK and it didn't have any indigenous British people there either. If you want to end colonialism in Europe then you should be looking at Gibraltar. The term "colony" vis-a-vis Kosovo is a anti-Serb propaganda of the Argumentum ad nauseam variety.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

If Kosovo is so close to independence, then why is America afraid to put the UN resolution to a vote? They keep delaying and delaying. They know that no matter how they phrase it, Russia and China will veto it which will produce a massive party in the streets of Beograd.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

To Canadian.
Very well states. I agree 100%.
However, they will have to keep EU if they ever want the corruption to drop. I am a Serb.

ilir

pre 16 godina

Strange dear serbs. I see you have lost control. Apparently you didnt expect the news that Italy will join USA, UK, France, EU foreign politics, Slovakia, Indionesia, South Africa, Ghana, Qatar and any other NORMAL country which agree that Kosovo - this 98% ALBANIAN inhabited territory which was OCCUPIED and colonized by serbs first in XII century and than in 1913 (by the way, whithour never succeeding to change its demographics)- should be given back to its natural owners.
And yes kate. If you are a blind proserbian supporter, this is an UNBELIEVEBLE news. Nobody is illegaly taking 15% of the territory to anybody. Giving independence to Kosovo means making justice. Serbia stole this territory of albanians in 1913. It is true it was not an Albanian state there when Serbia did this (It was the turkish occupators). Kosovo have suffered a lot because it passed from an invader to anther. But this do not gives the right to serbs to pretend they are the legitimate rulers of that area which never accepted their state and the unfair decision which transformed the most vital nationalist albanian region, in a "south slavic" domain.
Now the majority of the world is restoring the legallity for the people living there, which have been mistreated, discriminated and prosecuted for years and years just for the "inat" that they are not assimilable. Another bitter news is that China which doesnt forget that Albania was the first country to recognize it, will abstein on SC of UN. And after that, Russia will follow. So say bye bye to your last colony, you exploited for years leving it in a desperate economic and cultural situation, and have a good afternoon in Belgrade.
ilir

Gigi

pre 16 godina

Do any of you know who this Wisner guy is? He is the son of a man who sent many Albanians to their deaths when he worked for the CIA after WWII. Wisner, the Dad organised Albanians who had fleed Communist Albania to the West, into secret attack units which were sent into Communist Albania in hopes that they could organize uprising against the Communist government.

Working with Wisner( the Dad) on this Albanian action, was a Soviet Spy named Kim Philby. Wisner supposedly did NOT know that Philby was alerting the Communists whenever a group of anti-Communists were planning an armed landing in Albania.

Long story, with twists and turns, but Wisner( the Dad ) had a mental break-down after it was discovered that Philby was telling ALL the secrets of the CIA to the USSR!! Wisner, the Dad, left the CIA and later shot himself with his son's ( the present day Ambassador Wisner) gun.

I wonder if the code of Lek, you know, the killing off of all the male heirs of anybody who causes the death of any Albanian works on folks who caused the death of Albanians about 60 years ago.

Does the Ambassador have anything to fear from his present day Albanian pals??

I wonder. Also there is some serious scandal attached to the Ambassador's wealth and how he got it, here in the USA.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Gigi, let me tell you a litte story:
Wisner's father was a patriot and stunch opponent of USSR and all comunist countries. He did not betray Albanians, but it was Kim Philby and his two associates that went to same University(all Brits). Th e secret operations to overthrow Enver hoxha and his regime it started at thethe end of 1947 and in 1953 all operations stopped, since they discovered that they have been betrayed. Yes, it is true that a lot of Albanians trained in Germany among other places they were killed, thanks to Kim and his boddies passing the info to Soviets. Don't try to defame Wisner's name.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 16 godina

Thanks to Italy for supporting the Independence of Kosova.
Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... Serbia is still continuing the strategy of isolationism started by Milosevic... continued by the so called democrat Kostunica... This is one more reason why albanians do not want to stay under Serbia because we do not want to be a country that is being isolated more and more each serb leader steps in.
Good Job Serb leaders for isolating Serbia and loosing its allies.

kate

pre 16 godina

Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.

Shukri Gashi

pre 16 godina

As decision time nears, only Russia and Serbia are going to be against Kosovo Independence. Even Sllovaky which parliament endorsed a resolution against Kosovo Independence has change their mind. I am very impatient to see the resolution.

Ahilleas

pre 16 godina

Well then i would suppose the italian state would have no problem giving independence to "Magna Graecia" for the matter,
thus giving a chance to the greek population which lives in the half southern part of Italy (south of Rome) to escape the violent process of latinification they have gone thru the years since ancient times....

Would you do that Mr Dalema?

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Very good advise coming from Mr.D'Alema. Serbia should listen and except advises from old friends and neighborhs.It's for the good of all Balkans.

adi,pz

pre 16 godina

i can not "believe" that any european country can be so blunt in extending its official stance toward kosova's independence! i doubt that serbian regime (kostunica & co) will read and understand this massage as it is. the serbian regime must make up its mind and demonstrate that they belong to european mentality and not to Caucasian and Carpathian mindset.

kosova will be independent country 100%, in one or another way.

cheers,
adi

Jack

pre 16 godina

"A country so strong and vital as Serbia (should) turn towards the future, without remaining attached to ideas of the past,"

Does D'Alema mean the idea of territorial intergrity of a Sovereign Nation? Or possibly the right of a Sovereign nation to determine it's own policy and agendas without outside interference, without imposed solutions and without suffering occupation by a foreign military?

Or is D'Alema trying to be 'Everyman'? If he had been addressing Serbia business leaders instead of Albanian ones would his message have been different?

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

Afrim,
you hit the point head on and I guess this is a bit of a Freudian slip but very telling indeed;

"Italy, France once allies of Serbia now are allies of Albanians... "

- no mention of allies of "Kosovarians" the state that is to be proposed ranks being independent - and that really is the crux of the matter!!! Since what is being expected of Serbia is the ILLEGAL seizure by a neighbouring nationality and thus the state of Albania - no two ways around it but that is agression by deception and as such will never be acceptable as a resolution. It can come forth as a draft as many times as certain "few" states would want to pursue such folly but ultimately International Law is either respected or overridden at much peril!!! I sense the time is coming for the final nail in the folly and thankfully we will then be able to forge a new understanding that Serbia is a multi-ethnic democratic state and those who live within it's boundries need to "conform to it" - nothing more nothing less!

Bob

pre 16 godina

So they are to persue this irresponsible route.

Diplomats play dangerous games - they bend words to 'satisfy' political nicities. That does not stop them being wrong.

Why do they not consider the more sensible solution - full automomy, but not independence.

There should be no reward for the ethnic land-grab that has been persued by the ethnic Albanians.

It will be a reward for ethnic cleansing.

The precedent being set here is far too dangerous - the diplomats have not faced that realistically.

Instead of fundamental law being up-held by judges, it is being fiddled with by diplomats and politicians.

Serbia is now going down the democratic path. The international community should respect that by following the legal norms. In the longer term it will save lives.

Vuk

pre 16 godina

Has anyone pondered on the idea that combined with veto Russians could stop the EU economy in its tracks by cutting off the gas/oil reserves?

I think many countries oppose the Kosovo independance and a particulary hilarious example is the Slovak stance where overnight they completly changed their stance. Only the strong it seems can stand their ground in this world of bribary and capatalism.

All i can say is that i am becoming distguisted with the suggestions for Albanians in this forum; serbia should do this serbia should do that.

Ill tell you what guys what do you think Serbs are going to do if Kosovo becomes indpendant? Sit there and wait for the EU to join? I dont think so, your average Serb will do anything and everything in their power to keep Kosovo and frankly thats not going to help any sort of stability because that means war.

tatiana stojkovic

pre 16 godina

its the ususal blah blah blah diplomacy but it means nothing so long as russia's putin is standing by his decision as a man should be. with china on the sidelines, watch out. This is the best way US could do as it is totally being humiliated by IRAN despite its being a superpower.

Chief

pre 16 godina

How much money did Italians make from the 1990s wars? How much extra pay did those involved receive? How many friends and enemies did Italy have before the 1990s? How many do they have now? There is one Serb who bettered the lives of all Italians than all of Islam of centuries past and present: Nikola Tesla. There is no need for desert pistols.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

Yes...
Perhaps the US needs another coalition member for its' Iranian campaign..
It will join other countries like Albania and Korea..

We'll call it "The coalition of the Schilling"...haha..

aca

pre 16 godina

Imagine that! Italy supports looking beyond the past and supports the idea of an independent state on Serbian soil in a post-Ottoman, post-Nazi era. Such an idea is absurd.

olli

pre 16 godina

A funny man this mixed-up D'Alema.

He wishes to work together with Serbia in order "to find a solution to this problem".

I wonder is he taking Serbs for Kosovo Albanians? Or maybe he missed to study basic psychology.

I can sense the weight of pressure laid on ministers of EU countries. It doesn't allow blood to rise to brain.

John

pre 16 godina

When Frankie talks Albanians listen and believe him like little little sheep. This man is full of double-speak...case in point:
Wisner: The US will unilaterally recognize Kosovo's independence if the Russians veto.

Freid: The US will not act unilaterally without a UN resolution.

Deqanas

pre 16 godina

grazie l'Italia...

Still getting closer and closer..i can almost feel the independence...
I think that lot of democrat-serbs are also better of from kosovo,so they can work there way up ,creating there own Democratic state of serbia ,without criminals and nationalists ..So we can all live free and in better future,for us and our children..

Giver

pre 16 godina

Kosovo's life as a state will be doomed before it begins. Everyone knows Kosovo (IF it ever gets independence) rightfully belongs to Serbia. Albanians ethnically cleansed Kosovo for the last 100 years (with the help of their Nazi allies of course). This is the perfect time for Russia to show the world they are BACK. A move by Russia to BLOCK Kosovo's independence and spoil the United States plan of creating another puppet state in the Balkans will show the world that they are a Superpower once again.

Wake up ladies and gentlemen, the world is changing, the U.S. had its 15min of fame, and they are soon coming to a very quick end. Russia literally has the future in its hand... or LAND i should say. (to the tune of world ENERGY)

May will come and go without Independence, so will June, after enough failures the U.S. and its lackies will quickly realize that their 15 year unhindered rule of the world is over. Its a good thing too, the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Today's Serbia, however, "is a democratic country with which we want to work to find a solution to this problem," he said."

In that case, why the objection to K-Serbs' desire to remain under Belgrade? The north will detach itself from the rest of Kosovo in the event of unilateral proclamation of independence. And I don't think Pristina can do anything to stop that since it never controlled the north.

Jason

pre 16 godina

This sounds about right an Italian politician speaking like a "yes" man to Albanian business men. As an Italian American I'm very disappointed to see people from my cultural homeland make such a ridiculous remark. I'v said it before and I'll say it again. No actions should be taken that violate the UN Charter. You can not alter borders and disrupt the territorial integrity of a soverign state.

At least the Russians are using their heads. I just hope they stick to their guns and veto this. Regardless of popular belief I don't see the US backing a unilateral independance. Especially not if parts of the EU start to falter in their support. Which is happening.

We also shouldn't forget about China, I believe they hold a veto and may use it if Russia doesn't. Does anyone really believe they want to have this president set with the situation in Taiwan? especially right before they are set to host the Olympics?

Rovena

pre 16 godina

JHam, maybe they're singing and dancing because they are the only ones in this forum that live effectively in kosovo and this is what they were expecting from a long time? Have you ever thought about it? It says nothing to you that the people that live there wants independence? I think a lot of people here have forgotten that the land is there for the people and not the contrary.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

For all those Albanians who feel they have a big brother in the USA looking after their interest, I think it’s high time that you all have a reality check!
First of all, Albanians and American’s have nothing in common, secondly if America was truly concerned about people outside their own country they would be doing all they can in Africa where atrocities are happening every second of the day, genocide? In Africa they are writing the book on Genocide!!!, where is America to help Africa!? The fact is there is no corporate value in Africa, but this is not so in Kosovo. When the NATO war ended in Serbia, Corporate American and some Western European industries went to work in Serbia. Take Coka-Cola for example, Coke was always in Serbia, ever since World War 2, but during all that time they were only selling one product, Coke! But as of 2002 Coka-Cola has virtually bought every Domestic Serbian soft drink bottler and spring water bottler, thus wiping out any and all competition and increasing their profit margin, this information is easily found on the internet, in fact B92 did a story on Coka-Cola’s profit margin this year. Now moving along, US Steele has taken over majority ownership of Serbian Steele, then there is Fiat, who is buying up anything and everything, the list goes on and on, since 2000 there have been 256 foreign companies that have bought up just about everything that was once Serbian owned, of those 256 companies 181 are American. This brings me to Kosovo. Does anyone realize or even know how much wealth is below the ground in Kosovo? Its natural minerals are estimated to be worth Billions of dollars, and did anyone here know that these resources are less then 5% tapped? I bet most of you didn’t know this. What is going on here my friends is all about the dollar, not about the people. America does not care about the Albanian; to them you are largely an uneducated, highly unemployable, very angry child who needs supervision. The average age in Kosovo is under 24, of which most people’s education was interrupted by the war, thus is why I made the claim of largely uneducated. If Kosovo gets independence and it seems very unlikely, then the best the Albanian people can hope for in the future is to serve their master the USA, and I use the word master because they will be making all the money on the land of Kosovo and the Albanians will be working for minimum wages. How many millionaires does Kosovo have to afford to start industry? None! (Not including the criminals) so you see, you cannot own, you can only work for an owner, which will most likely be American. 20 years later a group like the KLA will form again and bomb two American buildings or down some American planes. The USA will retaliate by wiping out the Kosovars like they did in Afghanistan, and Corporate America will go back to work in Kosovo.

I have been to Kosovo; I have been to Serbia, many of times.

It is ironic really, but the Albanians best option is supervised autonomy, then they will have no masters but themselves and yet they are blind to see this. By having supervised autonomy, Corporate America does not get in to Kosovo, and the Albanians rule themselves, they will be as broke as they are now but at least they will have no masters, Serbia saves face with their people and the genocide continues in Africa ignored, in other words the world goes on and the only loser here is corporate America.

And for those of you think I am a Serb, I am not. And I am not Anti-American either, in fact I own a condo apartment in Florida where I spend at least 3 months a year.

spunky

pre 16 godina

To KATE
Absolutely incredible! Not one of these countries would hand over 15% of their territory. The obvious solution at the moment is for more talks and monitored autonomy. Forcing independence by breaking charters and laws is not going to solve anything and will set a terrible precedent.
(kate, Friday, 25 May, 2007, 10:30)
i have to admit it! when ever i read your comments i get upset! your comments never cease to amaze me....trust me i dont mean to be insulting. if you want to make comments on kosovo and the albanians or even the balkans in general you need to know more of that area. you have never made a comment that is in touch with reality. all your comments are based from the serbian state run propaganda and absolutely ridiculous.
for goodness sake what do you mean supervised autonomy. are you trying to give the alabanians much less than they actually had before milosevic.

gezim basha

pre 16 godina

A new independent Kosova will mark the end of colonialism in Europe because Kosova was anexed by Serbia in 1913. To say now that serbia can not give away 15% of its teritory is a joke. British empire gave away 90% of its teritory by allowing India and other countries to become independent.

mehilo p.

pre 16 godina

Of course the Italian government will back independence. Do you seriously think they would break from the chain pulling them around by their big brothers. Just ask their troops on the ground, Decani-Pec area, and see where their thoughts are on status, especially after the last rocket attack on the monastery. Mr. Wisner will say anything at this point due to the fact the US chairs the UNSC only until the end of May. They will be exerting maximun pressure on all their minions until then.

Philip Davies

pre 16 godina

gezim basha, Kosovo might have become part of Serbia in 1913, but this was after many centuries of a cultural and indigenous presence there. A colony is region politically controlled by a distant country. Obvious this is not the case with Kosovo as it was an integral part of Serbia within Yugoslavia. India wasn't an integral part of the UK and it didn't have any indigenous British people there either. If you want to end colonialism in Europe then you should be looking at Gibraltar. The term "colony" vis-a-vis Kosovo is a anti-Serb propaganda of the Argumentum ad nauseam variety.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

If Kosovo is so close to independence, then why is America afraid to put the UN resolution to a vote? They keep delaying and delaying. They know that no matter how they phrase it, Russia and China will veto it which will produce a massive party in the streets of Beograd.

Cvele

pre 16 godina

To Canadian.
Very well states. I agree 100%.
However, they will have to keep EU if they ever want the corruption to drop. I am a Serb.

ilir

pre 16 godina

Strange dear serbs. I see you have lost control. Apparently you didnt expect the news that Italy will join USA, UK, France, EU foreign politics, Slovakia, Indionesia, South Africa, Ghana, Qatar and any other NORMAL country which agree that Kosovo - this 98% ALBANIAN inhabited territory which was OCCUPIED and colonized by serbs first in XII century and than in 1913 (by the way, whithour never succeeding to change its demographics)- should be given back to its natural owners.
And yes kate. If you are a blind proserbian supporter, this is an UNBELIEVEBLE news. Nobody is illegaly taking 15% of the territory to anybody. Giving independence to Kosovo means making justice. Serbia stole this territory of albanians in 1913. It is true it was not an Albanian state there when Serbia did this (It was the turkish occupators). Kosovo have suffered a lot because it passed from an invader to anther. But this do not gives the right to serbs to pretend they are the legitimate rulers of that area which never accepted their state and the unfair decision which transformed the most vital nationalist albanian region, in a "south slavic" domain.
Now the majority of the world is restoring the legallity for the people living there, which have been mistreated, discriminated and prosecuted for years and years just for the "inat" that they are not assimilable. Another bitter news is that China which doesnt forget that Albania was the first country to recognize it, will abstein on SC of UN. And after that, Russia will follow. So say bye bye to your last colony, you exploited for years leving it in a desperate economic and cultural situation, and have a good afternoon in Belgrade.
ilir

Gigi

pre 16 godina

Do any of you know who this Wisner guy is? He is the son of a man who sent many Albanians to their deaths when he worked for the CIA after WWII. Wisner, the Dad organised Albanians who had fleed Communist Albania to the West, into secret attack units which were sent into Communist Albania in hopes that they could organize uprising against the Communist government.

Working with Wisner( the Dad) on this Albanian action, was a Soviet Spy named Kim Philby. Wisner supposedly did NOT know that Philby was alerting the Communists whenever a group of anti-Communists were planning an armed landing in Albania.

Long story, with twists and turns, but Wisner( the Dad ) had a mental break-down after it was discovered that Philby was telling ALL the secrets of the CIA to the USSR!! Wisner, the Dad, left the CIA and later shot himself with his son's ( the present day Ambassador Wisner) gun.

I wonder if the code of Lek, you know, the killing off of all the male heirs of anybody who causes the death of any Albanian works on folks who caused the death of Albanians about 60 years ago.

Does the Ambassador have anything to fear from his present day Albanian pals??

I wonder. Also there is some serious scandal attached to the Ambassador's wealth and how he got it, here in the USA.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 16 godina

Gigi, let me tell you a litte story:
Wisner's father was a patriot and stunch opponent of USSR and all comunist countries. He did not betray Albanians, but it was Kim Philby and his two associates that went to same University(all Brits). Th e secret operations to overthrow Enver hoxha and his regime it started at thethe end of 1947 and in 1953 all operations stopped, since they discovered that they have been betrayed. Yes, it is true that a lot of Albanians trained in Germany among other places they were killed, thanks to Kim and his boddies passing the info to Soviets. Don't try to defame Wisner's name.