EU-Russia summit short of mentioning Kosovo

Good move on the Russians there. You see, they are suggesting that they will probably use a veto if the vote came now, but they say that they might not use the veto is serious discussions were to start. In other words, they know very well that the Albanians won't accept serious discussions. They have demanded one thing and expect to be given that one thing. Not exactly sure why they believe they are so important that they deserve what they claim. But this is the way it is right now and they are not taking the idea of serious diplomatic discussions into consideration anymore. Therefore, if Russia were given this pause in the game in order to restart negotiations, then the Albanians will rise up and do something nasty, and the Russians can simply say "What's the problem? We just wanted both sides to negotiate and find a compromise. We were just trying to make everyone happy."

Well, if there is no independence this June, and the idea of more negotiations are implemented, then I think the Albanians will rise up and , by doing so, will turn the US against them for a short while. I think they will end up looking worse than during the March riots of 2004. I believe Russia has predicted something like this and thinks it's the best. Finally, the Serbs will be the minorities being attacked and driven out. It would be very interesting to see how the rest of the world reacts.

Negotiations? You can not negotiate with people who wants you dead. You can not negotiate with people that do not consider you human being. Every one knows that Kosovo and Serbia NEVER are going to find any compromise since Serbian government have a racist and chauvinist attitude against Albanians. Besides the new constitution of Serbia gives Kosovo same rights Kosovo had during 90s when dictator Milosevic was the president of Serbs. Serbs have lost Kosovo in 1999 and confirmed it when the made a new anti- Albanian constitution.

Serbian constitution:

Article 182:
New autonomous provinces may be established, and already established ones may be REVOKED.

After some years they do the same things Milosevic did. Revoke autonomy and colonize Kosovo.

Article 186:
The Government may institute, before the Constitutional Court, the proceedings of assessing the constitutionality and legality of a decision adopted by the autonomous province, prior to its coming into force.

You see they give Kosovo autonomy for some years and everything Kosovo decides can be reviewed by Constitutional Court and who sits in this court? All Serbs.

You don't need to have to be very smart to understand what Serbs really want. Kosovo without Albanians.

The Russian's have said nothing new for the last few months haste will be "futile & counterproductive". That the US and a "few" EU nations have finally decided to actually hear is a good sign. Maybe we will see a new found understanding of the issue at hand when the G8 meeting takes place - for now it is evident that there will be no new resolution!

However, it is clear that the US are still trying to deny their responsibility for the situation that they were instrumental in creating when they sent in their CIA agents (and The Germans BND http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/news-2007-02-15.html ) in the mid ninties to train, aim and destabilise a soverign nation. Then to follow this up with the largest bombardment of a European nation never seen before and denying responsibility by "blaming the victim" - Serbia made us do it - we were provoked to take action - while "justifying the Violence" - We had to there was no other choice. It is clear that the bully boy tactics of the US and a "few" EU nations are deluding themselves if they believe that there is now no other choice but independence and will as a result of such denial of responsibilty are left in the position where they have no control on Russia's veto!

But in the current situation they deny their responsibility by trying to "shift the blame" onto the Rusiians if the Russians stood by their continued principled stance that respects international laws upon which the UN was founded - it becomes ironic that the US the so called "World Guardian of Democracy" is once more ruthlessly pushing through it's own perspective on what is right from wrong. The US view on what is right is "what is their interest but to hell with the rest of you" - this does not make it right and is all the more reason why Russia will stand it's ground - because it can!!! There will be no resolution, no ILLEAGAL declarations or ILLEGAL recognition and no new Violence (that is what the NATO forces are there for) - so Russia has read things far better then the US and they know that their interest is best served with a new found understanding of negotiations regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija!

The US can still attempt to push this into the UN SC but do they really want to create a permanant rift and at the same time close the box shut on their self created trap???

Putin should listen to Ms. Merkel very carefully becasue in the end he willbe humiliated by US and EU. I personally would like to see russia use its veto power , be casue after that we are not obligated to honor Ahtisari's plan.Of course every Kosovar citizens will be treated equally but not some to have special prevladges as foreseen in A-plan.

Question Mark - What hypocrisy! Serbia is the only genuine multi-ethnic society in the states of the Former Yugoslavia. The only area of Serbia with NO other ethnicities is Kosovo (unless you count foreign troops). The only Serbs who live there are in fear for their lives, same goes for Roma and the other small groups left after being pushed out by the KLA.
And you have no open media where anyone who is against independence would dare to express their views.
And you are preaching about open attitudes??

Ahmet Isufi

Whether Pristina intends honor Ahtisaari's plan or not is of no interest to Moscow. The Russians have already said that plan is unacceptable to them.

where condy rice failed, angela couldnt succeed even with barroso on her side. putin is a principled man who cant be bullied by nobody. he is among the likes of fidel castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, kim jong il and chavez. they are tough, strong and very strong in principle.

Ahmet, i think everyone has understood that you cannot play with russia if they turn off the gas taps for the EU then they will freeze this winter EU is not stupid.

Actually it is not necessary for K-Albanians relyng on the Ahtisari's plan in order to achieve independence.
They can simply declare independence and see what would happen.
First of all they would destabilise their enemy, Serbia.

Ahmet, what you would like is far from what will probably happen. Putin has a list of concessions he wants the West to make so he won't order a veto at the UN. At best, Russia will abstain if a compromise is made. Greater Russian influence in the Balkans and Europe in general is the price for your independence, and I suspect these concessions are a removal of US missiles from Eastern Europe, construction of new gas pipelines in the Black Sea region, de facto control of northern Kosovo by Serbia, political and economic influence in Ossetia, Transdniestr, and inside bidding for key industries in Kosovo by Russian firms. Russia's got the upper hand on this and will use it to her advantage. The only humiliation will be the concessions the West, and in particular the US, will have to make in order for its plans for Kosovo's independence to materialize.

The Russian stance is unchanged, despite the kicking & screaming coming from the EU and US. The EU can't win this battle of wills and it knows it! If Russia were to cut off supplies of OIL & NATURAL GAS, the EU economies would suffer greatly or collapse. Some would suggest that Russia is just as dependent on the EU as a customer as the EU is on Russia. I would seriously disagree! Russia is building and has nearly completed supply lines to China, India and Japan. These 3 countries are massive consumers of oil $ natural gas. They can replace the EU as Russian consumers and soon will. Russia knows this and is using this strategic advantage to it's and Serbia's benefit. On top of that, Russia now mostly controls these resources from the central Asian states. The EU will soon come to the realization that Russian Oil $ NG is much more important then appeasing Albanian separatists. KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

Iusufi,weren't you the one who was repeating 100 times "mark my words,Russia will never use veto"?:-)You changed your mind now,huh?What should we "mark" now?

Ahmet - given your comment
"I personally would like to see russia use its veto power" - who says that ethnic-Albanians and Serbs can't agree??? Looks like all can agree that Ahtisaari is no good - I fully commend you on your honesty.

However, you might not be obliged to honour Ahtisaari's in such a scenario but the last 8 years Resolution 1244 has not been honoured fully yet either - therefore based on the example thus far it is not worth condidering as more then words in any case!!

That said resolution 1244 will stand and as such there will be no ILLEGAL declaration and no ILLEGAL recognition and no Violence - that is what NATO are there to ensure. So what happens next - clearly a solution acceptable to all must be found so that all can progress - this can only be done by providing substantive and real negotiations with an actual mediator guiding rather then imposing!

I am looking forward to the talks that will begin in June!

Ahmet, you should not be an aggressor against dialog. Insisting on veto shows you are a political opportunist. Such an attitude is against everyones' interests.

Albanians are unwilling to talk to the Serbs, to try and make a deal in which BOTH sides are happy. They claim that they cannot because of the civil war in '99. Well, i find that VERY hard to believe being that after UN estimates of 3000 dead from the conflict (down from the 10,000 initially thought) and making it sound as if Serbia wants them all DEAD (btw, a recent poll taken in Kosovo showed that 80% of Albanians are prejudice against Serbs and would never consider having a Serb as a friend). This is total rubbish. In fact if you would only LISTEN to what Serbia has to say, all they are saying is the Albanians can RUN their OWN lives, live in peace, and since they ARE 90% of the population they will OBVIOUSLY control 90% of Kosovo's government. In return all Serbia is asking is the VERY SAME rights every other nation on EARTH expects and the same rights that INTERNATIONAL LAW & UN Resolution 1244 guarantees. The respect of its territorial integrity.

To those who say it is IMPOSSIBLE to live with Serbs I would like to ask you then HOW is it possible for TENS of THOUSANDS of ETHNIC ALBANIANS to live and work peacefully and in harmony in Serbia's capital BELGRADE, and also in the Presevo Valley region of Serbia. Pull out your demographic maps and you will see the Serbia is the MOST multiethnic country in the region while Kosovo is the most MONO ethnic. The situation is crystal clear ladies and gentleman. Give PEACE a chance, forcefully changing borders will have MUCH more dangerous consequences. Do you really want a new Islamic terrorist state in Europe?

@question mark:

it would have been honest to quote the whole article, instead of doing it the way you did!

"New autonomous provinces may be established, and already established ones may be revoked or merged following the proceedings envisaged for amending the Constitution. The proposal to establish new, or revoke or merge the existing autonomous provinces shall be established by citizens in a referendum, in accordance with the Law.
Territory of autonomous provinces and the terms under which borders between autonomous provinces may be altered shall be regulated by the Law. Territory of autonomous provinces may not be altered without the consent of its citizens given in a referendum, in accordance with the Law. "

if you have no arguments, you are reduced to fabrications, lies and threats. you did a bad job, question mark, since it shows how you left out text-passages that are important for comprehension, and I assume you did that deliberately.

I don't know what it got, but looks like Russia got what it wanted (at least it appears like that). And by the tone of Mr. Lavrov on the article below, it sounds like it has agreed on a larger EU presence in Kosova (something USA and EU have emphasized) and it is requesting some special facilitations for the minorities (in this case Serbs, this is significant on itself since even Russia is considering Serbs a minority in Kosova, which means they know the reality, and have accepted that, unlike many here and the goverment in Serbia that keep on daydreaming) in Kosovo through UN (nature not specified, but would not be surprised if it is in the form of a special envoy appointed by UN just like US officials have indicated that they are willing to consider)

Read the article (ItarTass)

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=11542890&PageNum=0

But don't forget ahmet yes you are not obligated to adhere to the Plan but also have been warned to to declare independence either. You forgot to mention that part. I don't understand you guys either all or nothing no compromise so i guess you still will be stuck in the mud 20 years from now because maybe the children will find an even play ground in which you guys the albanians want all or nothing. I say just split at the ibar move all Serbian artifiacts churches and stuff north of the ibar you have your part and then you can Kosova as you say south of the ibar. Call it even drink some raki and be done with it.

Dear Princip,

you call on US and Europe to admit their part and responsibility in making the situation in Kosovo what it is today. What about the responsibility of Serbia over Kosovo, and over getting bombed by NATO and over its own current state? If Serbia had taken care of Kosovo properly, there would be no UN mission in Kosovo, no UN special envoys, no bomb-wrecked buildings in Belgrade. Anyone can blame the west, and for sure it is guilty over some things, but the biggest blunder of all has been the way Serbia has conducted its politics.

And Princip, "largest bombardment of a European nation never seen before"? The NATO conflict hardly is the largest. It could be the smallest bombardment, though.

Sammy, do you really want to give a message, that it is OK for a country to kill 3000 of its minority and get away with it? In modern Europe? If you by multiethnicity mean that Serbia (excluding Kosovo) has 83% Serbian population, then I'd like to point out that multiethnicity means much more than that.

"Ahmet, i think everyone has understood that you cannot play with russia if they turn off the gas taps for the EU then they will freeze this winter EU is not stupid.
(JHam, Friday, 18 May, 2007, 14:31) "

You are forgeting one very important thing, if Russia , does that , how do you think will make bread for the people, or maybe the Siberian fields are filled up with corn :)

"But don't forget ahmet yes you are not obligated to adhere to the Plan but also have been warned to to declare independence either. You forgot to mention that part. I don't understand you guys either all or nothing no compromise so i guess you still will be stuck in the mud 20 years from now because maybe the children will find an even play ground in which you guys the albanians want all or nothing. I say just split at the ibar move all Serbian artifiacts churches and stuff north of the ibar you have your part and then you can Kosova as you say south of the ibar. Call it even drink some raki and be done with it.
(JHam, Saturday, 19 May, 2007, 04:12) "

Kosova as we say will be the same part as is now, and the only thing that albanian kids will find in their playgrounds after 20 yrs would be SERBIAN LANDMINES, to remember them that the compromise betwen albanians and serbs was tryed, since the Serbia anexed Kosova, however, becouse of the serbian narcisoism, there was no possible compromise betwen them , the only compromise should be taken now, is betwen the serbs who wanna enjoy the freedom in the newest state on the world, and their mentors in Belgrade, those serbs should have the courage to tell their mentors that is done, that the time of the idea for a "VELIKA SRBIJA" is dead, and they will have the full protection of their state.
This compromise is Mr. Lavrov recomending also , by calling the serbs in Kosovo minoritys.

Suggestion to Zoric sorry Zoran, you country (Serbia) used to say much tougher careless words than you just said, but they have gone and will never come back. You should realize that nobody wants to live with you (Serbia) anymore, remember, first Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosova, and finally you still have not solved the dispute with Vovodina, Sangjak and Albanians living in South. These are unsolved issues. As far as Russia is concerned, this is politics, today they say this, next day, they will change their mind. Russia is not trying to protect Serb rights here, they simply do not give a dam about Serbs, all they want is some concession with EU and USA and they will finally come to an agreement on these points. They are working hard on these matters, and we should be thankful that those people who still think back in 16 century are not in power anymore. Common Zorn wake up smell the coffee. Kosova and Albanian have been and will always be truly USA, UK and EU allies. Serbs living in KOSOVA will have much better and brighter future than you in Serbia. KOSOVA is looking forward to join EU soon.

Peter, yes i have said 100 times "mark my word" and still stand by it, but all I am saying I hope to god russia will veto, that is all I am saying. The rest of coment responding to my post is irelevant.

U.S. media maintain a blackout on Kosovo. Is it so that when US policy fails, no one will know?

Regarding the future of Kosovo - and factual description of current situation in Kosovo, I suggest that commentators read good article in "Spiegel Online" - The Failure of the West's 'Ostrich' Policy (from 12th March 2007)
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,471178,00.html

"KOSOVA is looking forward to join EU soon." Hahaha. Sorry let me catch my breath. Anyways, I don't think the EU would rush to let a drug/human/tobacco smuggling state establishment to join the EU. Trust me. I find it funny how all Albanians on this forum are so sure of their glorious independence. Do you think Serbia would let you have it that easily. Serbia and Russia are historical allies that is why Russia genuinely cares for Serbia's interests to whatever extent it may be. I don't see how Albanians and Americans/Brits really share any history. I find it hilarious how you people are so oblivious to the fact that this Kosovo situation is strictly strategical for the US/EU etc. Like Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes you should be very proud of your "allies" who support you while they go around and destabilize countries throughout the world. Great allies indeed. K-Albanians are puppets to the Wests real ambitions and don't even realize it. Serbia has offered everything you had in the past, why do you need more? Serbia has every right to secure it's own territory and not adhere to K-Albanian fabricated nationalist rhetoric.

"As far as Russia is concerned, this is politics, today they say this, next day, they will change their mind. Russia is not trying to protect Serb rights here, they simply do not give a dam about Serbs, all they want is some concession with EU and USA and they will finally come to an agreement on these points." (Ylli, Saturday, 19 May, 2007, 14:07)

Ylli

I disagree with your assessment. The Russian position since 1999 has always been consistent -- that an imposed solution is out of the question. Who changed in the past 6 months is the WEST and not the Russians. Firstly the West started to take Russia's objections seriously for the first time. Rice and EU went to see Putin without success. Secondly it seems to me that it is not Moscow but the West that has, as you put it, "today they say this, next day, they will change their mind" -- the West had earlier threatened about unilateral recognition of independence. Their tune today is that unilateral recognition is a no go -- so who has changed their minds?

Good move on the Russians there. You see, they are suggesting that they will probably use a veto if the vote came now, but they say that they might not use the veto is serious discussions were to start. In other words, they know very well that the Albanians won't accept serious discussions. They have demanded one thing and expect to be given that one thing. Not exactly sure why they believe they are so important that they deserve what they claim. But this is the way it is right now and they are not taking the idea of serious diplomatic discussions into consideration anymore. Therefore, if Russia were given this pause in the game in order to restart negotiations, then the Albanians will rise up and do something nasty, and the Russians can simply say "What's the problem? We just wanted both sides to negotiate and find a compromise. We were just trying to make everyone happy."

Well, if there is no independence this June, and the idea of more negotiations are implemented, then I think the Albanians will rise up and , by doing so, will turn the US against them for a short while. I think they will end up looking worse than during the March riots of 2004. I believe Russia has predicted something like this and thinks it's the best. Finally, the Serbs will be the minorities being attacked and driven out. It would be very interesting to see how the rest of the world reacts.

Negotiations? You can not negotiate with people who wants you dead. You can not negotiate with people that do not consider you human being. Every one knows that Kosovo and Serbia NEVER are going to find any compromise since Serbian government have a racist and chauvinist attitude against Albanians. Besides the new constitution of Serbia gives Kosovo same rights Kosovo had during 90s when dictator Milosevic was the president of Serbs. Serbs have lost Kosovo in 1999 and confirmed it when the made a new anti- Albanian constitution.

Serbian constitution:

Article 182:
New autonomous provinces may be established, and already established ones may be REVOKED.

After some years they do the same things Milosevic did. Revoke autonomy and colonize Kosovo.

Article 186:
The Government may institute, before the Constitutional Court, the proceedings of assessing the constitutionality and legality of a decision adopted by the autonomous province, prior to its coming into force.

You see they give Kosovo autonomy for some years and everything Kosovo decides can be reviewed by Constitutional Court and who sits in this court? All Serbs.

You don't need to have to be very smart to understand what Serbs really want. Kosovo without Albanians.

The Russian's have said nothing new for the last few months haste will be "futile & counterproductive". That the US and a "few" EU nations have finally decided to actually hear is a good sign. Maybe we will see a new found understanding of the issue at hand when the G8 meeting takes place - for now it is evident that there will be no new resolution!

However, it is clear that the US are still trying to deny their responsibility for the situation that they were instrumental in creating when they sent in their CIA agents (and The Germans BND http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/news-2007-02-15.html ) in the mid ninties to train, aim and destabilise a soverign nation. Then to follow this up with the largest bombardment of a European nation never seen before and denying responsibility by "blaming the victim" - Serbia made us do it - we were provoked to take action - while "justifying the Violence" - We had to there was no other choice. It is clear that the bully boy tactics of the US and a "few" EU nations are deluding themselves if they believe that there is now no other choice but independence and will as a result of such denial of responsibilty are left in the position where they have no control on Russia's veto!

But in the current situation they deny their responsibility by trying to "shift the blame" onto the Rusiians if the Russians stood by their continued principled stance that respects international laws upon which the UN was founded - it becomes ironic that the US the so called "World Guardian of Democracy" is once more ruthlessly pushing through it's own perspective on what is right from wrong. The US view on what is right is "what is their interest but to hell with the rest of you" - this does not make it right and is all the more reason why Russia will stand it's ground - because it can!!! There will be no resolution, no ILLEAGAL declarations or ILLEGAL recognition and no new Violence (that is what the NATO forces are there for) - so Russia has read things far better then the US and they know that their interest is best served with a new found understanding of negotiations regarding the Serbian province of Kosovo & Metohija!

The US can still attempt to push this into the UN SC but do they really want to create a permanant rift and at the same time close the box shut on their self created trap???

Putin should listen to Ms. Merkel very carefully becasue in the end he willbe humiliated by US and EU. I personally would like to see russia use its veto power , be casue after that we are not obligated to honor Ahtisari's plan.Of course every Kosovar citizens will be treated equally but not some to have special prevladges as foreseen in A-plan.

Question Mark - What hypocrisy! Serbia is the only genuine multi-ethnic society in the states of the Former Yugoslavia. The only area of Serbia with NO other ethnicities is Kosovo (unless you count foreign troops). The only Serbs who live there are in fear for their lives, same goes for Roma and the other small groups left after being pushed out by the KLA.
And you have no open media where anyone who is against independence would dare to express their views.
And you are preaching about open attitudes??

Ahmet Isufi

Whether Pristina intends honor Ahtisaari's plan or not is of no interest to Moscow. The Russians have already said that plan is unacceptable to them.

where condy rice failed, angela couldnt succeed even with barroso on her side. putin is a principled man who cant be bullied by nobody. he is among the likes of fidel castro, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, kim jong il and chavez. they are tough, strong and very strong in principle.

Ahmet, i think everyone has understood that you cannot play with russia if they turn off the gas taps for the EU then they will freeze this winter EU is not stupid.

Actually it is not necessary for K-Albanians relyng on the Ahtisari's plan in order to achieve independence.
They can simply declare independence and see what would happen.
First of all they would destabilise their enemy, Serbia.

Ahmet, what you would like is far from what will probably happen. Putin has a list of concessions he wants the West to make so he won't order a veto at the UN. At best, Russia will abstain if a compromise is made. Greater Russian influence in the Balkans and Europe in general is the price for your independence, and I suspect these concessions are a removal of US missiles from Eastern Europe, construction of new gas pipelines in the Black Sea region, de facto control of northern Kosovo by Serbia, political and economic influence in Ossetia, Transdniestr, and inside bidding for key industries in Kosovo by Russian firms. Russia's got the upper hand on this and will use it to her advantage. The only humiliation will be the concessions the West, and in particular the US, will have to make in order for its plans for Kosovo's independence to materialize.

The Russian stance is unchanged, despite the kicking & screaming coming from the EU and US. The EU can't win this battle of wills and it knows it! If Russia were to cut off supplies of OIL & NATURAL GAS, the EU economies would suffer greatly or collapse. Some would suggest that Russia is just as dependent on the EU as a customer as the EU is on Russia. I would seriously disagree! Russia is building and has nearly completed supply lines to China, India and Japan. These 3 countries are massive consumers of oil $ natural gas. They can replace the EU as Russian consumers and soon will. Russia knows this and is using this strategic advantage to it's and Serbia's benefit. On top of that, Russia now mostly controls these resources from the central Asian states. The EU will soon come to the realization that Russian Oil $ NG is much more important then appeasing Albanian separatists. KOSOVO IS SERBIA!

Iusufi,weren't you the one who was repeating 100 times "mark my words,Russia will never use veto"?:-)You changed your mind now,huh?What should we "mark" now?

Ahmet - given your comment
"I personally would like to see russia use its veto power" - who says that ethnic-Albanians and Serbs can't agree??? Looks like all can agree that Ahtisaari is no good - I fully commend you on your honesty.

However, you might not be obliged to honour Ahtisaari's in such a scenario but the last 8 years Resolution 1244 has not been honoured fully yet either - therefore based on the example thus far it is not worth condidering as more then words in any case!!

That said resolution 1244 will stand and as such there will be no ILLEGAL declaration and no ILLEGAL recognition and no Violence - that is what NATO are there to ensure. So what happens next - clearly a solution acceptable to all must be found so that all can progress - this can only be done by providing substantive and real negotiations with an actual mediator guiding rather then imposing!

I am looking forward to the talks that will begin in June!

Ahmet, you should not be an aggressor against dialog. Insisting on veto shows you are a political opportunist. Such an attitude is against everyones' interests.

Albanians are unwilling to talk to the Serbs, to try and make a deal in which BOTH sides are happy. They claim that they cannot because of the civil war in '99. Well, i find that VERY hard to believe being that after UN estimates of 3000 dead from the conflict (down from the 10,000 initially thought) and making it sound as if Serbia wants them all DEAD (btw, a recent poll taken in Kosovo showed that 80% of Albanians are prejudice against Serbs and would never consider having a Serb as a friend). This is total rubbish. In fact if you would only LISTEN to what Serbia has to say, all they are saying is the Albanians can RUN their OWN lives, live in peace, and since they ARE 90% of the population they will OBVIOUSLY control 90% of Kosovo's government. In return all Serbia is asking is the VERY SAME rights every other nation on EARTH expects and the same rights that INTERNATIONAL LAW & UN Resolution 1244 guarantees. The respect of its territorial integrity.

To those who say it is IMPOSSIBLE to live with Serbs I would like to ask you then HOW is it possible for TENS of THOUSANDS of ETHNIC ALBANIANS to live and work peacefully and in harmony in Serbia's capital BELGRADE, and also in the Presevo Valley region of Serbia. Pull out your demographic maps and you will see the Serbia is the MOST multiethnic country in the region while Kosovo is the most MONO ethnic. The situation is crystal clear ladies and gentleman. Give PEACE a chance, forcefully changing borders will have MUCH more dangerous consequences. Do you really want a new Islamic terrorist state in Europe?

@question mark:

it would have been honest to quote the whole article, instead of doing it the way you did!

"New autonomous provinces may be established, and already established ones may be revoked or merged following the proceedings envisaged for amending the Constitution. The proposal to establish new, or revoke or merge the existing autonomous provinces shall be established by citizens in a referendum, in accordance with the Law.
Territory of autonomous provinces and the terms under which borders between autonomous provinces may be altered shall be regulated by the Law. Territory of autonomous provinces may not be altered without the consent of its citizens given in a referendum, in accordance with the Law. "

if you have no arguments, you are reduced to fabrications, lies and threats. you did a bad job, question mark, since it shows how you left out text-passages that are important for comprehension, and I assume you did that deliberately.

I don't know what it got, but looks like Russia got what it wanted (at least it appears like that). And by the tone of Mr. Lavrov on the article below, it sounds like it has agreed on a larger EU presence in Kosova (something USA and EU have emphasized) and it is requesting some special facilitations for the minorities (in this case Serbs, this is significant on itself since even Russia is considering Serbs a minority in Kosova, which means they know the reality, and have accepted that, unlike many here and the goverment in Serbia that keep on daydreaming) in Kosovo through UN (nature not specified, but would not be surprised if it is in the form of a special envoy appointed by UN just like US officials have indicated that they are willing to consider)

Read the article (ItarTass)

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=11542890&PageNum=0

But don't forget ahmet yes you are not obligated to adhere to the Plan but also have been warned to to declare independence either. You forgot to mention that part. I don't understand you guys either all or nothing no compromise so i guess you still will be stuck in the mud 20 years from now because maybe the children will find an even play ground in which you guys the albanians want all or nothing. I say just split at the ibar move all Serbian artifiacts churches and stuff north of the ibar you have your part and then you can Kosova as you say south of the ibar. Call it even drink some raki and be done with it.

Dear Princip,

you call on US and Europe to admit their part and responsibility in making the situation in Kosovo what it is today. What about the responsibility of Serbia over Kosovo, and over getting bombed by NATO and over its own current state? If Serbia had taken care of Kosovo properly, there would be no UN mission in Kosovo, no UN special envoys, no bomb-wrecked buildings in Belgrade. Anyone can blame the west, and for sure it is guilty over some things, but the biggest blunder of all has been the way Serbia has conducted its politics.

And Princip, "largest bombardment of a European nation never seen before"? The NATO conflict hardly is the largest. It could be the smallest bombardment, though.

Sammy, do you really want to give a message, that it is OK for a country to kill 3000 of its minority and get away with it? In modern Europe? If you by multiethnicity mean that Serbia (excluding Kosovo) has 83% Serbian population, then I'd like to point out that multiethnicity means much more than that.

"Ahmet, i think everyone has understood that you cannot play with russia if they turn off the gas taps for the EU then they will freeze this winter EU is not stupid.
(JHam, Friday, 18 May, 2007, 14:31) "

You are forgeting one very important thing, if Russia , does that , how do you think will make bread for the people, or maybe the Siberian fields are filled up with corn :)

"But don't forget ahmet yes you are not obligated to adhere to the Plan but also have been warned to to declare independence either. You forgot to mention that part. I don't understand you guys either all or nothing no compromise so i guess you still will be stuck in the mud 20 years from now because maybe the children will find an even play ground in which you guys the albanians want all or nothing. I say just split at the ibar move all Serbian artifiacts churches and stuff north of the ibar you have your part and then you can Kosova as you say south of the ibar. Call it even drink some raki and be done with it.
(JHam, Saturday, 19 May, 2007, 04:12) "

Kosova as we say will be the same part as is now, and the only thing that albanian kids will find in their playgrounds after 20 yrs would be SERBIAN LANDMINES, to remember them that the compromise betwen albanians and serbs was tryed, since the Serbia anexed Kosova, however, becouse of the serbian narcisoism, there was no possible compromise betwen them , the only compromise should be taken now, is betwen the serbs who wanna enjoy the freedom in the newest state on the world, and their mentors in Belgrade, those serbs should have the courage to tell their mentors that is done, that the time of the idea for a "VELIKA SRBIJA" is dead, and they will have the full protection of their state.
This compromise is Mr. Lavrov recomending also , by calling the serbs in Kosovo minoritys.

Suggestion to Zoric sorry Zoran, you country (Serbia) used to say much tougher careless words than you just said, but they have gone and will never come back. You should realize that nobody wants to live with you (Serbia) anymore, remember, first Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Kosova, and finally you still have not solved the dispute with Vovodina, Sangjak and Albanians living in South. These are unsolved issues. As far as Russia is concerned, this is politics, today they say this, next day, they will change their mind. Russia is not trying to protect Serb rights here, they simply do not give a dam about Serbs, all they want is some concession with EU and USA and they will finally come to an agreement on these points. They are working hard on these matters, and we should be thankful that those people who still think back in 16 century are not in power anymore. Common Zorn wake up smell the coffee. Kosova and Albanian have been and will always be truly USA, UK and EU allies. Serbs living in KOSOVA will have much better and brighter future than you in Serbia. KOSOVA is looking forward to join EU soon.

Peter, yes i have said 100 times "mark my word" and still stand by it, but all I am saying I hope to god russia will veto, that is all I am saying. The rest of coment responding to my post is irelevant.

U.S. media maintain a blackout on Kosovo. Is it so that when US policy fails, no one will know?

Regarding the future of Kosovo - and factual description of current situation in Kosovo, I suggest that commentators read good article in "Spiegel Online" - The Failure of the West's 'Ostrich' Policy (from 12th March 2007)
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,471178,00.html

"KOSOVA is looking forward to join EU soon." Hahaha. Sorry let me catch my breath. Anyways, I don't think the EU would rush to let a drug/human/tobacco smuggling state establishment to join the EU. Trust me. I find it funny how all Albanians on this forum are so sure of their glorious independence. Do you think Serbia would let you have it that easily. Serbia and Russia are historical allies that is why Russia genuinely cares for Serbia's interests to whatever extent it may be. I don't see how Albanians and Americans/Brits really share any history. I find it hilarious how you people are so oblivious to the fact that this Kosovo situation is strictly strategical for the US/EU etc. Like Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes you should be very proud of your "allies" who support you while they go around and destabilize countries throughout the world. Great allies indeed. K-Albanians are puppets to the Wests real ambitions and don't even realize it. Serbia has offered everything you had in the past, why do you need more? Serbia has every right to secure it's own territory and not adhere to K-Albanian fabricated nationalist rhetoric.

"As far as Russia is concerned, this is politics, today they say this, next day, they will change their mind. Russia is not trying to protect Serb rights here, they simply do not give a dam about Serbs, all they want is some concession with EU and USA and they will finally come to an agreement on these points." (Ylli, Saturday, 19 May, 2007, 14:07)

Ylli

I disagree with your assessment. The Russian position since 1999 has always been consistent -- that an imposed solution is out of the question. Who changed in the past 6 months is the WEST and not the Russians. Firstly the West started to take Russia's objections seriously for the first time. Rice and EU went to see Putin without success. Secondly it seems to me that it is not Moscow but the West that has, as you put it, "today they say this, next day, they will change their mind" -- the West had earlier threatened about unilateral recognition of independence. Their tune today is that unilateral recognition is a no go -- so who has changed their minds?