West, Russia present rival UN Kosovo plans

I really would not count the Slovaks as an affirmative - the Prime Minsiter had reiterated that they do not support Independence!!! See the slovak radio report;
http://www.slovakradio.sk/inetportal/rsi/core.php?page=showSprava&id=5260&lang=2
"Slovakia Expresses Support to Serbia in Kosovo Issue
Slovakia expresses its full support to Serbia on the Kosovo issue, and it supports Serbia in its efforts to join the EU. This follows from the meeting between Slovak Parliamentary Chairman Pavol Paska and Serbian President Boris Tadic in Bratislava on Wednesday. Both officials concurred that the relations between the two countries are very good, which is attested to by several common activities, stances and projects. As for the Kosovo issue, Paska said that "perhaps nowhere else in the world the solution of this solely Serbian problem has provoked such polemics as has been the case in the Slovak Parliament."

As for Indonesia it is clear that the case put forth by the US is falling flat here is a comment in the Jakarta post;
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaileditorial.asp?fileid=20070509.E02&irec=1
"However, Indonesia's disagreement with the planned resolution should not be based primarily on territorial integrity and sovereignty, but rather on Indonesia being expected simply to yield to the European Union and the U.S. solution on the Kosovo issue. As an independent and sovereign country Indonesia should lobby other members of the Security Council, such as Russia and China, which also have strong reservations, to vote against the imposition of the planned UNSC resolution on Kosovo."

Regarding the 9 affirmatives it is becoming more clear that the only resolution will be to hold new and real "negotiations". There is falling support for a resolution based on Ahtisaari;
http://www.kommersant.com/p763775/UN_Kosovo_Report/
"Unofficial sources report that South Africa, China, Congo, Ghana and Indonesia are now most likely to vote for further talks instead of quick independence"

I think the US know where this is all heading but if they must push with the folly well I guess they will - don't wish to agreivate and stoke the ethnic-Albaninas into violence do we so it is better to placate them with independence and maybe they won't plot attacks on US military and US soil - see yesterdays news !!!
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/globe-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=05&dd=08&nav_category=117&nav_id=41124

"In light of Serbia's strong opposition to the Ahtisaari’s plan, the Western paper says that enacting measures on Kosovo against the will of Belgrade is a "special case" because of "the violence and repression of the 1990s.""

What a nonsensical rationale. In other words, we can take their land because they misbehaved and don't deserve to keep it.
This is land we are talking about, not some reward that can be given and taken by outside parties.
Besides which, the UN already agreed and signed a Resolution (1244) which should have reflected any such reservations at the time.

Unfortunately most serbs believe that a veto means serb victory. It doesnt because the status needs to be solved and given that 2million people will not heed to the wishes of only 6 million serbs, I dont see how serbs will come out winners in this.

"The key point in the Russian paper is an acknowledgment "of the inconclusiveness up till now of the political progress to determine Kosovo's future status and of the necessity to continue negotiations between Belgrade and Priština WITH BALANCED INTERNATIONAL MEDIATION primarily focused on protection of minority rights.""

The part of Russia's statement which I put in capital is a clear swipe at Ahtisaari -- obviously he was no impartial mediator!

This is Land you get like a reward from the big powers for your role in Russo Turkish War, they give this land to you and they can take it from you.

Kate,

even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them...
Last politic movements in Serbia are telling that Serbia is 'democratic' as it was by '80 and '90. 2 milion K-Albanians can not be under continous fear from Serbia after what they experienced. Don't blame the others, Serbs of all over ex-Yu are responsible for current situation. Nobody didn't want and doesn't want to live together with a nation who thinks it is heavenly and the others must be their subordinates. Wake up, it is not medievalism...
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

Princip,

I can see that you and whoever thinks like you are feeling desperate relying on Slowakia which is an irrelevant country regarding the issue of Kosova.
Kosova fate is sealed with its war for independence. It is unstoppable despite the fact that some people and leaders are desperate. Nothing can stop the will of people of Kosova. When the power of people speak the others should be silent. Vojvodina would have been the next breakway province if they would have fought but they chose to be quite so good luck to them within Serbia.

so Russia will recognise Kosovo, but only on terms that suit them and their own internal disputes such as Chechnya and other areas such as Abkhazia etc

Dane: "even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them..."
Even if such things were part of international policies, why then was this not thought about when Resolution 1244 was drawn up??

And is everyone forgetting that Serbia has a legitimate and rightful claim to Kosovo, as do Albanians.

Albanians should recognise that their claim to Kosovo is as irrefutable as Serbia's and therefore independence is not an option but a dual sovereignty is the only compromise.

The US, UK and EU are all forgetting this, and so this is a completely undemocratic solution being imposed on Serbia.....kind of like 1914 ;-)

Princip,

There's no argument that you can discuss upon Kosova's status, especially with a typical cetnic propaganda like of that planning attack on US soil. Yes it is true, they are Albanians (from Montenegro) but don't you think that there are Serbs who would do something like that? Terrorist are terrorist, they could be Albanian, Serb or whatever and there's no argument they should be punished to max. Give me a single argument, a single one and not a childish one, that will convince me become a citizen of Serbia knowing that Tomislav Nikolic is in charge of Parliament? Tell me how to trust someone who committed atrocities and left memories of war and destruction in my life?

People who saying that "Vojvodina will be next Serbian break away province" have no idea,information or eduction about region. Did you know perhaps that Serbs in Vojvodina make 65.05% of total population? Also did you now that most of support for Serbian right radical party coming from Vojvodina? Did you know that mayor of Vojvodina capital is Radical party senior official? So Vojvodina cant be under any circumstances next "break away province". Mention of Vojvodina is just childish bickering in order to provoke Serbs, but most of Serbs laugh on Vojvodina independence and similar ideas because in reallity nobody ask for it and even if they asked what is a chance that on any imaginary referendum that Serb radical supporters will vote themself out of Serbia?? Of course there are many people who will like to see Serbia fall apart but for Christ sake get at least population number correct and that will help you to realize that Vojvodina break away is mission impossble . Regards

Kate,

excellent point - it becomes clearer as the days roll by that there is little foundation to the haste that the US & UK have created in imposing a solution that they have come up with - in their haste they are making more blatant errors which will ensure even less support! In so many ways state that it is because of the situation of the 90's as a reasoning is a own goal !!!!

EA - nothing desperate in expecting the UN to do the job it was set up for! The 15 members of the UN SC each have a vote - such haste by the US & UK is ensuring that 9 affirmatives are even less likely!!!

It is absolutely outrageous that they should try to use the events of the 1990s as a reason to remove Kosovo from Serb sovereignty. This undermines the very principle of reconciliation as a foundation for conflict resolution. One can point to any number of other cases where people have been treated badly by a ruling state in the past – just consider past atrocities committed against minority communities in Sri Lanka, Chechnya, Cyprus, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Northern Ireland, Indonesia and Iraq, to name just a few. And yet in all those other cases the international community has opposed independence and has instead called for a new political settlement that respects the borders of the country concerned.

If this rationale is now accepted in Kosovo, then in future other separatist groups will be able to point to Kosovo as a pretext for demanding independence and independence only as a response to conflict. Indeed, one could even argue that it will now be in the interest of separatist groups to become more violent in order to provoke a response from ruling powers in order to be able to claim the Kosovo principle.

While the Kosovo Albanians might be appeased, the price for this will be an international system that become more, rather than less, unstable. And all because in 1999 an intervention took place with little or no thought about the long-term consequences! The idea that Kosovo cannot be regarded as a precedent - especially under the rationale being presented - is simply an insult to one's intelligence!

the battle has just begun. one reason russia is hesitant for K-independence is due to the big US base located in bondsteel. it is the largest US base outside america and has full control of europe and central asia. if kosovo is denied independence the base will go and russia wont be threatened.

They can draft as many resolutions as they like with as many different coloured crayons as they like but it has to be approved by the Security Council. Putin has said that anything that isn't agreed upon by Belgrade will be vetoed by Russia. In other words Washington and London cannot push through a resolution that annexes 15% of Serbia to Albania.

The existing UN resolution 1244 calls for the demilitarization of the UCK/KLA separatists, return of all refugees (300,000 Serbs amongst other nationalities), return of Serbian Armed forces to control the Serbia/Albanian border. The NATO Pact has ignored every provision of 1244 for the last 7 years and now they want to try to pass another one which extinguishes it and annexes the 15% of Serbia that they occupy.

"Humanitarian" intervention, yeah right...

Shows what the NATO Pact's real intent was all along.

The ALbanians which attacked the USA base in New Jersey were from no other place then Kosovo.

"The US authorities arrested three ethnic Albanian brothers from Serbia’s breakaway Kosovo province, Sain, Elvir and Dritan Duka, another ethnic Albanian, Agron Abdulahu, a Jordanian, Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, and Serdar Tatar, a Turk."

If USA thinks that they will have Albnaian support in Kosovo for long they are misstaken. As soon as the Albanians get what the want which is a Greater ALbania they will turn on the West and start the same agression and terrorist activites against them as they have against the Serbs for decades.

Good Luck!

Are we forgeting what Serbia did in Bosnia, Croatia and SLovenia. Are we forgeting what Serbia did to Albanians during the Rankovic times? Are we forgetting the hundreds of thousands of Albanians that left Kosova for Turkey then? Serbia needs some peace and a new start - they dont need Kosova. Serbia needs to focus internaly and create jobs for its population. When there are jobs and a better life - there is no need for Kosova.

Well, we should remeber that ISRAEL in 1948 (just one of the most powerful countries, if not the most powerful country, of Middle East), BANGLADESH in 1971 (even with vetoes from the UN Security Council) and ERITREA in 1991 became independent without the support of the United Nations.

And about Catalonia, Quebec or South Slovakia, well, no government in these countries in the last 50 years sent troops to kill thousands of innocent civilians just because they are what they are — a very different thing from Serbia in the 90’s…

"even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them...
(Dane, Wednesday, 9 May, 2007, 11:26)"
If this is true, then the Serbs lost the right to Kosovo for their attacks against the Albanian population, however in addition, clearly the Albanians also lost their right to Kosovo for their attacks against the Serbian population and others after the NATO bombing and the 2004 riots. The percentage of victims mirrors the population distribution nearly exactly. Its my understanding that the worst human rights violations in Kosovo occurred in WWII and were committed by the Albanian population against the Serbian population. The Italians actually had to use force against the Albanians to curtail the violence against the civilian population at that time. Should the Albanians have "lost" the right to Kosovo way back then? Also, what about future violence by Albanians? At what level does it need to reach in order for these types of rules to be imposed? I would be very interested in hearing from the pro-independence side as to whether they believe it would ever be justified to take "Albanian" land away as a result of Albanians violating the human rights of others.
Is it possibly time to discuss creating a country for the Roma in the heart of Albanian inhabited Kosovo? They have no country anywhere in the world and have suffered by far the highest percentage of victimization per capita of any of the ethnicities in the Balkans.
Clearly, this is not the Black & White issue as its being portrayed often in the West.
Can anyone here who supports Kosovo independence based on human rights violations explain why those same standards should not be applied to the Albanians as well as the Serbs? Yes, Serbian violence was State Sponsered, and the Albanian violence occurred at the grass roots level, but ask yourself this, which is easier to control and implement? Removing a few bad apples at the upper levels of government, or completely changing the attitudes of the population as a whole on the ground?

Russia's opposition to the independence of Kosovo has very little to do with Camp Bondsteel. I was stationed there for 22 months and with out breaking operational secrecy I can say that the capabilities of that instillation are based on the realities on the ground not that the 'Red Army' is going to make a move for Germany.

The west must stop practicing 'feel good diplomacy', it is not legal. We are quickly putting Serbia in a position in which is comparable to Germany after WWI.

The reason the radical party continue to attract voters is because the west has cursed Serbia, embarrassed her in the international community, and continue to punish her even post Miolsevic.

My government is making the same foreign policy mistakes it made after WWI instead of learning from the success in Germany and Japan in WWII or Korea in the 50s.

When you take into equation what they made themselves guilty of in the nineties, Serbia has been immensely appeased by the EU, not "humiliated" and "embarrassed" by it. It is time to stop treating Serbia like a child. For God's sake, they are thinking adults voting in the country, let them face the consequences of their choices. It's like we're tiptoeing around a kid that can any day burst into a tantrum. Enough.

Jonathan, it is absolutely not true that the 3 people were from KOsova, they were originally from Macedonia. But, i MUST TELL YOU ALBANIANS ARE THE MOST PRO AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,You go to PRISHTINA and you see american flags all over, and the main boulevard in Prishtina is named after Bill CLinton, You go to Tirana and its the same things, american flags all over. IT is really really sad and bad what those three idiots were thinking but I hope that America will give them the biggest punishment ever because they have put a shame.
Americans know it very well that we are the most pro american people in the world still after this isolated attempt.
ANTHONY, do not worry because USA is not doing anything to make Serbia feel shame. SERBIA did it all to embarras herself. America did not tell Serbia to go and kill innocent civilians in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova, but arrogant serb leaders like Milosevic and his alikes thought that Serbs should be the privileged people and that the rest should work for them... Even the majority of serbs know this by now.

I really would not count the Slovaks as an affirmative - the Prime Minsiter had reiterated that they do not support Independence!!! See the slovak radio report;
http://www.slovakradio.sk/inetportal/rsi/core.php?page=showSprava&id=5260&lang=2
"Slovakia Expresses Support to Serbia in Kosovo Issue
Slovakia expresses its full support to Serbia on the Kosovo issue, and it supports Serbia in its efforts to join the EU. This follows from the meeting between Slovak Parliamentary Chairman Pavol Paska and Serbian President Boris Tadic in Bratislava on Wednesday. Both officials concurred that the relations between the two countries are very good, which is attested to by several common activities, stances and projects. As for the Kosovo issue, Paska said that "perhaps nowhere else in the world the solution of this solely Serbian problem has provoked such polemics as has been the case in the Slovak Parliament."

As for Indonesia it is clear that the case put forth by the US is falling flat here is a comment in the Jakarta post;
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaileditorial.asp?fileid=20070509.E02&irec=1
"However, Indonesia's disagreement with the planned resolution should not be based primarily on territorial integrity and sovereignty, but rather on Indonesia being expected simply to yield to the European Union and the U.S. solution on the Kosovo issue. As an independent and sovereign country Indonesia should lobby other members of the Security Council, such as Russia and China, which also have strong reservations, to vote against the imposition of the planned UNSC resolution on Kosovo."

Regarding the 9 affirmatives it is becoming more clear that the only resolution will be to hold new and real "negotiations". There is falling support for a resolution based on Ahtisaari;
http://www.kommersant.com/p763775/UN_Kosovo_Report/
"Unofficial sources report that South Africa, China, Congo, Ghana and Indonesia are now most likely to vote for further talks instead of quick independence"

I think the US know where this is all heading but if they must push with the folly well I guess they will - don't wish to agreivate and stoke the ethnic-Albaninas into violence do we so it is better to placate them with independence and maybe they won't plot attacks on US military and US soil - see yesterdays news !!!
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/globe-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=05&dd=08&nav_category=117&nav_id=41124

"In light of Serbia's strong opposition to the Ahtisaari’s plan, the Western paper says that enacting measures on Kosovo against the will of Belgrade is a "special case" because of "the violence and repression of the 1990s.""

What a nonsensical rationale. In other words, we can take their land because they misbehaved and don't deserve to keep it.
This is land we are talking about, not some reward that can be given and taken by outside parties.
Besides which, the UN already agreed and signed a Resolution (1244) which should have reflected any such reservations at the time.

Unfortunately most serbs believe that a veto means serb victory. It doesnt because the status needs to be solved and given that 2million people will not heed to the wishes of only 6 million serbs, I dont see how serbs will come out winners in this.

"The key point in the Russian paper is an acknowledgment "of the inconclusiveness up till now of the political progress to determine Kosovo's future status and of the necessity to continue negotiations between Belgrade and Priština WITH BALANCED INTERNATIONAL MEDIATION primarily focused on protection of minority rights.""

The part of Russia's statement which I put in capital is a clear swipe at Ahtisaari -- obviously he was no impartial mediator!

This is Land you get like a reward from the big powers for your role in Russo Turkish War, they give this land to you and they can take it from you.

Kate,

even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them...
Last politic movements in Serbia are telling that Serbia is 'democratic' as it was by '80 and '90. 2 milion K-Albanians can not be under continous fear from Serbia after what they experienced. Don't blame the others, Serbs of all over ex-Yu are responsible for current situation. Nobody didn't want and doesn't want to live together with a nation who thinks it is heavenly and the others must be their subordinates. Wake up, it is not medievalism...
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

Princip,

I can see that you and whoever thinks like you are feeling desperate relying on Slowakia which is an irrelevant country regarding the issue of Kosova.
Kosova fate is sealed with its war for independence. It is unstoppable despite the fact that some people and leaders are desperate. Nothing can stop the will of people of Kosova. When the power of people speak the others should be silent. Vojvodina would have been the next breakway province if they would have fought but they chose to be quite so good luck to them within Serbia.

so Russia will recognise Kosovo, but only on terms that suit them and their own internal disputes such as Chechnya and other areas such as Abkhazia etc

Dane: "even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them..."
Even if such things were part of international policies, why then was this not thought about when Resolution 1244 was drawn up??

And is everyone forgetting that Serbia has a legitimate and rightful claim to Kosovo, as do Albanians.

Albanians should recognise that their claim to Kosovo is as irrefutable as Serbia's and therefore independence is not an option but a dual sovereignty is the only compromise.

The US, UK and EU are all forgetting this, and so this is a completely undemocratic solution being imposed on Serbia.....kind of like 1914 ;-)

Princip,

There's no argument that you can discuss upon Kosova's status, especially with a typical cetnic propaganda like of that planning attack on US soil. Yes it is true, they are Albanians (from Montenegro) but don't you think that there are Serbs who would do something like that? Terrorist are terrorist, they could be Albanian, Serb or whatever and there's no argument they should be punished to max. Give me a single argument, a single one and not a childish one, that will convince me become a citizen of Serbia knowing that Tomislav Nikolic is in charge of Parliament? Tell me how to trust someone who committed atrocities and left memories of war and destruction in my life?

People who saying that "Vojvodina will be next Serbian break away province" have no idea,information or eduction about region. Did you know perhaps that Serbs in Vojvodina make 65.05% of total population? Also did you now that most of support for Serbian right radical party coming from Vojvodina? Did you know that mayor of Vojvodina capital is Radical party senior official? So Vojvodina cant be under any circumstances next "break away province". Mention of Vojvodina is just childish bickering in order to provoke Serbs, but most of Serbs laugh on Vojvodina independence and similar ideas because in reallity nobody ask for it and even if they asked what is a chance that on any imaginary referendum that Serb radical supporters will vote themself out of Serbia?? Of course there are many people who will like to see Serbia fall apart but for Christ sake get at least population number correct and that will help you to realize that Vojvodina break away is mission impossble . Regards

Kate,

excellent point - it becomes clearer as the days roll by that there is little foundation to the haste that the US & UK have created in imposing a solution that they have come up with - in their haste they are making more blatant errors which will ensure even less support! In so many ways state that it is because of the situation of the 90's as a reasoning is a own goal !!!!

EA - nothing desperate in expecting the UN to do the job it was set up for! The 15 members of the UN SC each have a vote - such haste by the US & UK is ensuring that 9 affirmatives are even less likely!!!

It is absolutely outrageous that they should try to use the events of the 1990s as a reason to remove Kosovo from Serb sovereignty. This undermines the very principle of reconciliation as a foundation for conflict resolution. One can point to any number of other cases where people have been treated badly by a ruling state in the past – just consider past atrocities committed against minority communities in Sri Lanka, Chechnya, Cyprus, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Northern Ireland, Indonesia and Iraq, to name just a few. And yet in all those other cases the international community has opposed independence and has instead called for a new political settlement that respects the borders of the country concerned.

If this rationale is now accepted in Kosovo, then in future other separatist groups will be able to point to Kosovo as a pretext for demanding independence and independence only as a response to conflict. Indeed, one could even argue that it will now be in the interest of separatist groups to become more violent in order to provoke a response from ruling powers in order to be able to claim the Kosovo principle.

While the Kosovo Albanians might be appeased, the price for this will be an international system that become more, rather than less, unstable. And all because in 1999 an intervention took place with little or no thought about the long-term consequences! The idea that Kosovo cannot be regarded as a precedent - especially under the rationale being presented - is simply an insult to one's intelligence!

the battle has just begun. one reason russia is hesitant for K-independence is due to the big US base located in bondsteel. it is the largest US base outside america and has full control of europe and central asia. if kosovo is denied independence the base will go and russia wont be threatened.

They can draft as many resolutions as they like with as many different coloured crayons as they like but it has to be approved by the Security Council. Putin has said that anything that isn't agreed upon by Belgrade will be vetoed by Russia. In other words Washington and London cannot push through a resolution that annexes 15% of Serbia to Albania.

The existing UN resolution 1244 calls for the demilitarization of the UCK/KLA separatists, return of all refugees (300,000 Serbs amongst other nationalities), return of Serbian Armed forces to control the Serbia/Albanian border. The NATO Pact has ignored every provision of 1244 for the last 7 years and now they want to try to pass another one which extinguishes it and annexes the 15% of Serbia that they occupy.

"Humanitarian" intervention, yeah right...

Shows what the NATO Pact's real intent was all along.

The ALbanians which attacked the USA base in New Jersey were from no other place then Kosovo.

"The US authorities arrested three ethnic Albanian brothers from Serbia’s breakaway Kosovo province, Sain, Elvir and Dritan Duka, another ethnic Albanian, Agron Abdulahu, a Jordanian, Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, and Serdar Tatar, a Turk."

If USA thinks that they will have Albnaian support in Kosovo for long they are misstaken. As soon as the Albanians get what the want which is a Greater ALbania they will turn on the West and start the same agression and terrorist activites against them as they have against the Serbs for decades.

Good Luck!

Are we forgeting what Serbia did in Bosnia, Croatia and SLovenia. Are we forgeting what Serbia did to Albanians during the Rankovic times? Are we forgetting the hundreds of thousands of Albanians that left Kosova for Turkey then? Serbia needs some peace and a new start - they dont need Kosova. Serbia needs to focus internaly and create jobs for its population. When there are jobs and a better life - there is no need for Kosova.

Well, we should remeber that ISRAEL in 1948 (just one of the most powerful countries, if not the most powerful country, of Middle East), BANGLADESH in 1971 (even with vetoes from the UN Security Council) and ERITREA in 1991 became independent without the support of the United Nations.

And about Catalonia, Quebec or South Slovakia, well, no government in these countries in the last 50 years sent troops to kill thousands of innocent civilians just because they are what they are — a very different thing from Serbia in the 90’s…

"even parents using violence against their children loose the right to take care about them...
(Dane, Wednesday, 9 May, 2007, 11:26)"
If this is true, then the Serbs lost the right to Kosovo for their attacks against the Albanian population, however in addition, clearly the Albanians also lost their right to Kosovo for their attacks against the Serbian population and others after the NATO bombing and the 2004 riots. The percentage of victims mirrors the population distribution nearly exactly. Its my understanding that the worst human rights violations in Kosovo occurred in WWII and were committed by the Albanian population against the Serbian population. The Italians actually had to use force against the Albanians to curtail the violence against the civilian population at that time. Should the Albanians have "lost" the right to Kosovo way back then? Also, what about future violence by Albanians? At what level does it need to reach in order for these types of rules to be imposed? I would be very interested in hearing from the pro-independence side as to whether they believe it would ever be justified to take "Albanian" land away as a result of Albanians violating the human rights of others.
Is it possibly time to discuss creating a country for the Roma in the heart of Albanian inhabited Kosovo? They have no country anywhere in the world and have suffered by far the highest percentage of victimization per capita of any of the ethnicities in the Balkans.
Clearly, this is not the Black & White issue as its being portrayed often in the West.
Can anyone here who supports Kosovo independence based on human rights violations explain why those same standards should not be applied to the Albanians as well as the Serbs? Yes, Serbian violence was State Sponsered, and the Albanian violence occurred at the grass roots level, but ask yourself this, which is easier to control and implement? Removing a few bad apples at the upper levels of government, or completely changing the attitudes of the population as a whole on the ground?

Russia's opposition to the independence of Kosovo has very little to do with Camp Bondsteel. I was stationed there for 22 months and with out breaking operational secrecy I can say that the capabilities of that instillation are based on the realities on the ground not that the 'Red Army' is going to make a move for Germany.

The west must stop practicing 'feel good diplomacy', it is not legal. We are quickly putting Serbia in a position in which is comparable to Germany after WWI.

The reason the radical party continue to attract voters is because the west has cursed Serbia, embarrassed her in the international community, and continue to punish her even post Miolsevic.

My government is making the same foreign policy mistakes it made after WWI instead of learning from the success in Germany and Japan in WWII or Korea in the 50s.

When you take into equation what they made themselves guilty of in the nineties, Serbia has been immensely appeased by the EU, not "humiliated" and "embarrassed" by it. It is time to stop treating Serbia like a child. For God's sake, they are thinking adults voting in the country, let them face the consequences of their choices. It's like we're tiptoeing around a kid that can any day burst into a tantrum. Enough.

Jonathan, it is absolutely not true that the 3 people were from KOsova, they were originally from Macedonia. But, i MUST TELL YOU ALBANIANS ARE THE MOST PRO AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,You go to PRISHTINA and you see american flags all over, and the main boulevard in Prishtina is named after Bill CLinton, You go to Tirana and its the same things, american flags all over. IT is really really sad and bad what those three idiots were thinking but I hope that America will give them the biggest punishment ever because they have put a shame.
Americans know it very well that we are the most pro american people in the world still after this isolated attempt.
ANTHONY, do not worry because USA is not doing anything to make Serbia feel shame. SERBIA did it all to embarras herself. America did not tell Serbia to go and kill innocent civilians in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova, but arrogant serb leaders like Milosevic and his alikes thought that Serbs should be the privileged people and that the rest should work for them... Even the majority of serbs know this by now.