These WW2 atrocities committed by the Croatian Nazi state are blown out of proportion.
1) The state of Israel and the Republic of croatia have excellent relations and no compensation has been promised or changed hands.
2) Numerous "deceased" surnames alleged to be murdered by the croatia Nazi regime are untrue. Some have even migrated to Australia and passed away ther - Dead man walking
Penguin is absolutly correct in saying that Serbian Extremist are famuos for blatant historical revisionism for their politcal purpose of a Greater Serbia, and one such example is the fact that Serbs choose to ignore the FACT that Ustashe were only supported by a small percentage of the Croatian population, and that it was the Croatian Peasant Party(HSS) that was the most popular poltical party in Croatia prior to the break out of WW2, and NOT the Ustase!
Some could say that it was only the Serbian Hegemony that was the Kingdom of Yugoslavia , and the assasination of Croat political leaders such as Stjepan Radic(HSS) that led 'some' Croats to turn to the Ustase as a means of achieveing there goals.
Nevertheless, the Republic of Croatia(today) is no way whatsoever a successor to NDH, and has never claimed to be, but inactual fact a Successor to the SFR of Yugoslavia and ZAVNOH, thus the state bears no responsibility of the crimes commited in NDH, as SFR of Croatia and its Partizan army defeated NDH and the axis. That is why Serbia threat of sueing Croatia for WW2 would have no legal grounds.
Penguin,
While it is true the Serbs can't admit to any wrong-doing, your comment regarding WWII atrocities makes it blatantly apparent that Croats CAN'T either....Think about a little bit and read some non-Croatian history books. It might do you some good.....
Firstly: the fascist regime of WWII was a puppet state set up by German and Italy, who had their own territorial ambitions in the region. The Ustaše were trained by fascist Italy, remember. These fascists were supported only by a very small percentage of the Croatian population (although some people conveniently ignore or are ignorant of this fact). Today's Croatia has no responsibility for the reprehensible actions of the puppet state of WWII.
Secondly, the Krajina has always been Croatian territory. Tens of thousands of Croatians were "cleansed" from the Krajina by Serbs, yet you rarely hear mention of this (usually never) from the Serb commentators. Accusations that today's Croatia is a "Greater Croatia" is absolutely ridiculous. Furthermore, Serbs actually have the right to return - can RS claim that it has made the same progress allowing former Croatian residents to return?
Serbia directed the aggression against Croatia when all Croatians wanted was their independence. The JNA attacked Croatia, remember. Serbia (and many Serbs) is responsible for uncountable attrocities/war crimes. It is unfortunate to the extreme that Serbs can never admit to any wrongdoing.
Serbs keep talking about WW2 this WW2 that.Both Serbs and Croats have diferent views on who suffered most in yugoslavia(pre ww2 yugoslavia, during ww2, and post ww2 yugoslavia)and it was quite clear that croats did suffer( for eg the Massacre at Bleiburg Field).
BUT when it comes down to it...
Croats are living in the present, while Serbs havnt moved on from the past(ww2)...
The question i want to ask to serbs is how many serbs alive today..even know any of there relatives that died as a result of Jasenovac?
im sure your parents werent even old enough to know the greif of losing a relative!Its was more than 60 years ago!
While the crimes commited by the socalled 'Republic of Serbian Krajina' is much more of a fresh memory!
There was no genocide anywhere in the Balkans in the 1990s. Ethnic cleansing is not genocide. And if I may add, Croatia started the ethnic cleansing by forcing out tens of thousands of serbs from western slavonia in the summer of 1991, before they declared independence.
In my country, the loser of a suit must pay the legal costs of the court hearing. I wonder whether the same applied to Bosnia when it lost the suit against Serbia in the ICJ.
Hope so, then the truth about what cetniks did in dalmatia during ww2 and Herzegovina can come out.
On the other hand, Crotia didnt move its military into Serbia, whilst Serbia did both into Bosnia and Croatia. Therefore, it try to occupy another country. Therefore it will get sued :)
As for Storm, the fact that only 150 killed is due to professionalism of Croatian army. Had it been Serbian army, based on its behaviour in Krajina and Bosnia, it would have been lucky to have 150 left alive.
Milan, please feel free to encourage your government to pursue the suit. It will be proof positive that Serbia is not prepared to reconcile their past crimes in the 1990s, and therefore are not ready to pursue peace with their neighbors... especially those in Kosovo. This is a sad minset you are promoting on this board. It is entirely counter-productive.
Time to take Croatia to court for it's Ustasa and Nazi ideology, it's genocide on Serbs in WW2 and genocide in Operation Storm. Plus how much money Serbia had to pay to house and feed the 250,000 refugees Croatia ethnicaly cleansed.
Any lawsuit coming from Croatia would be a despicable insult to justice.
It doesn't really matter what these people think-they live in Greater Croatia today so I honestly dont take this seriously.
We are talking about a country whose greatest pride and nationalist ambitions was a return to the 'good' WW2 days (lol) and inventing their own words and 'Croatian' language.
Any serious intellectual is probably rolling around the ground in laughter at this view of a country that has a history of inhumanity and hostility toward one of the peoples and regions it now partially cleansed and temporarily absorbed.
Let us all remember that Operation Storm and Greater Croatia is one of the biggest unpunished crimes of the Balkans, ever.
The only thing this survey tells you is why there are so many conflicts in this region: everyone has an opinion, whether or not they know what they're being asked.
The Banovina's comprising of present day Croatia in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had a Serb populuation of 30-35 % before WWII. The Nazi Puppet Ante Pavelic and his regime systematically and brutally killed 750,000 Serbs, Jews,Gypsies, Roma's and Croats , convertered and deported many more. (Yad Vashem Holocaust Musuem)
Before Operation Storm in 1994, only 12% Serbs remained in Croatia. Today, what remains is not even 3%, and the Croatian nation and citizens have the audacity to sue Serbia for Genocide!!
The Banovina's comprising of present day Croatia in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had a Serb populuation of 30-35 % before WWII. The Nazi Puppet Ante Pavelic and his regime systematically and brutally killed 750,000 Serbs, Jews,Gypsies, Roma's and Croats , convertered and deported many more. (Yad Vashem Holocaust Musuem)
Before Operation Storm in 1994, only 12% Serbs remained in Croatia. Today, what remains is not even 3%, and the Croatian nation and citizens have the audacity to sue Serbia for Genocide!!
The only thing this survey tells you is why there are so many conflicts in this region: everyone has an opinion, whether or not they know what they're being asked.
Any lawsuit coming from Croatia would be a despicable insult to justice.
It doesn't really matter what these people think-they live in Greater Croatia today so I honestly dont take this seriously.
We are talking about a country whose greatest pride and nationalist ambitions was a return to the 'good' WW2 days (lol) and inventing their own words and 'Croatian' language.
Any serious intellectual is probably rolling around the ground in laughter at this view of a country that has a history of inhumanity and hostility toward one of the peoples and regions it now partially cleansed and temporarily absorbed.
Let us all remember that Operation Storm and Greater Croatia is one of the biggest unpunished crimes of the Balkans, ever.
Time to take Croatia to court for it's Ustasa and Nazi ideology, it's genocide on Serbs in WW2 and genocide in Operation Storm. Plus how much money Serbia had to pay to house and feed the 250,000 refugees Croatia ethnicaly cleansed.
Milan, please feel free to encourage your government to pursue the suit. It will be proof positive that Serbia is not prepared to reconcile their past crimes in the 1990s, and therefore are not ready to pursue peace with their neighbors... especially those in Kosovo. This is a sad minset you are promoting on this board. It is entirely counter-productive.
Hope so, then the truth about what cetniks did in dalmatia during ww2 and Herzegovina can come out.
On the other hand, Crotia didnt move its military into Serbia, whilst Serbia did both into Bosnia and Croatia. Therefore, it try to occupy another country. Therefore it will get sued :)
As for Storm, the fact that only 150 killed is due to professionalism of Croatian army. Had it been Serbian army, based on its behaviour in Krajina and Bosnia, it would have been lucky to have 150 left alive.
In my country, the loser of a suit must pay the legal costs of the court hearing. I wonder whether the same applied to Bosnia when it lost the suit against Serbia in the ICJ.
There was no genocide anywhere in the Balkans in the 1990s. Ethnic cleansing is not genocide. And if I may add, Croatia started the ethnic cleansing by forcing out tens of thousands of serbs from western slavonia in the summer of 1991, before they declared independence.
Serbs keep talking about WW2 this WW2 that.Both Serbs and Croats have diferent views on who suffered most in yugoslavia(pre ww2 yugoslavia, during ww2, and post ww2 yugoslavia)and it was quite clear that croats did suffer( for eg the Massacre at Bleiburg Field).
BUT when it comes down to it...
Croats are living in the present, while Serbs havnt moved on from the past(ww2)...
The question i want to ask to serbs is how many serbs alive today..even know any of there relatives that died as a result of Jasenovac?
im sure your parents werent even old enough to know the greif of losing a relative!Its was more than 60 years ago!
While the crimes commited by the socalled 'Republic of Serbian Krajina' is much more of a fresh memory!
Firstly: the fascist regime of WWII was a puppet state set up by German and Italy, who had their own territorial ambitions in the region. The Ustaše were trained by fascist Italy, remember. These fascists were supported only by a very small percentage of the Croatian population (although some people conveniently ignore or are ignorant of this fact). Today's Croatia has no responsibility for the reprehensible actions of the puppet state of WWII.
Secondly, the Krajina has always been Croatian territory. Tens of thousands of Croatians were "cleansed" from the Krajina by Serbs, yet you rarely hear mention of this (usually never) from the Serb commentators. Accusations that today's Croatia is a "Greater Croatia" is absolutely ridiculous. Furthermore, Serbs actually have the right to return - can RS claim that it has made the same progress allowing former Croatian residents to return?
Serbia directed the aggression against Croatia when all Croatians wanted was their independence. The JNA attacked Croatia, remember. Serbia (and many Serbs) is responsible for uncountable attrocities/war crimes. It is unfortunate to the extreme that Serbs can never admit to any wrongdoing.
Penguin,
While it is true the Serbs can't admit to any wrong-doing, your comment regarding WWII atrocities makes it blatantly apparent that Croats CAN'T either....Think about a little bit and read some non-Croatian history books. It might do you some good.....
Penguin is absolutly correct in saying that Serbian Extremist are famuos for blatant historical revisionism for their politcal purpose of a Greater Serbia, and one such example is the fact that Serbs choose to ignore the FACT that Ustashe were only supported by a small percentage of the Croatian population, and that it was the Croatian Peasant Party(HSS) that was the most popular poltical party in Croatia prior to the break out of WW2, and NOT the Ustase!
Some could say that it was only the Serbian Hegemony that was the Kingdom of Yugoslavia , and the assasination of Croat political leaders such as Stjepan Radic(HSS) that led 'some' Croats to turn to the Ustase as a means of achieveing there goals.
Nevertheless, the Republic of Croatia(today) is no way whatsoever a successor to NDH, and has never claimed to be, but inactual fact a Successor to the SFR of Yugoslavia and ZAVNOH, thus the state bears no responsibility of the crimes commited in NDH, as SFR of Croatia and its Partizan army defeated NDH and the axis. That is why Serbia threat of sueing Croatia for WW2 would have no legal grounds.
These WW2 atrocities committed by the Croatian Nazi state are blown out of proportion.
1) The state of Israel and the Republic of croatia have excellent relations and no compensation has been promised or changed hands.
2) Numerous "deceased" surnames alleged to be murdered by the croatia Nazi regime are untrue. Some have even migrated to Australia and passed away ther - Dead man walking
The Banovina's comprising of present day Croatia in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had a Serb populuation of 30-35 % before WWII. The Nazi Puppet Ante Pavelic and his regime systematically and brutally killed 750,000 Serbs, Jews,Gypsies, Roma's and Croats , convertered and deported many more. (Yad Vashem Holocaust Musuem)
Before Operation Storm in 1994, only 12% Serbs remained in Croatia. Today, what remains is not even 3%, and the Croatian nation and citizens have the audacity to sue Serbia for Genocide!!
The only thing this survey tells you is why there are so many conflicts in this region: everyone has an opinion, whether or not they know what they're being asked.
Any lawsuit coming from Croatia would be a despicable insult to justice.
It doesn't really matter what these people think-they live in Greater Croatia today so I honestly dont take this seriously.
We are talking about a country whose greatest pride and nationalist ambitions was a return to the 'good' WW2 days (lol) and inventing their own words and 'Croatian' language.
Any serious intellectual is probably rolling around the ground in laughter at this view of a country that has a history of inhumanity and hostility toward one of the peoples and regions it now partially cleansed and temporarily absorbed.
Let us all remember that Operation Storm and Greater Croatia is one of the biggest unpunished crimes of the Balkans, ever.
Time to take Croatia to court for it's Ustasa and Nazi ideology, it's genocide on Serbs in WW2 and genocide in Operation Storm. Plus how much money Serbia had to pay to house and feed the 250,000 refugees Croatia ethnicaly cleansed.
Milan, please feel free to encourage your government to pursue the suit. It will be proof positive that Serbia is not prepared to reconcile their past crimes in the 1990s, and therefore are not ready to pursue peace with their neighbors... especially those in Kosovo. This is a sad minset you are promoting on this board. It is entirely counter-productive.
Hope so, then the truth about what cetniks did in dalmatia during ww2 and Herzegovina can come out.
On the other hand, Crotia didnt move its military into Serbia, whilst Serbia did both into Bosnia and Croatia. Therefore, it try to occupy another country. Therefore it will get sued :)
As for Storm, the fact that only 150 killed is due to professionalism of Croatian army. Had it been Serbian army, based on its behaviour in Krajina and Bosnia, it would have been lucky to have 150 left alive.
In my country, the loser of a suit must pay the legal costs of the court hearing. I wonder whether the same applied to Bosnia when it lost the suit against Serbia in the ICJ.
There was no genocide anywhere in the Balkans in the 1990s. Ethnic cleansing is not genocide. And if I may add, Croatia started the ethnic cleansing by forcing out tens of thousands of serbs from western slavonia in the summer of 1991, before they declared independence.
Serbs keep talking about WW2 this WW2 that.Both Serbs and Croats have diferent views on who suffered most in yugoslavia(pre ww2 yugoslavia, during ww2, and post ww2 yugoslavia)and it was quite clear that croats did suffer( for eg the Massacre at Bleiburg Field).
BUT when it comes down to it...
Croats are living in the present, while Serbs havnt moved on from the past(ww2)...
The question i want to ask to serbs is how many serbs alive today..even know any of there relatives that died as a result of Jasenovac?
im sure your parents werent even old enough to know the greif of losing a relative!Its was more than 60 years ago!
While the crimes commited by the socalled 'Republic of Serbian Krajina' is much more of a fresh memory!
Firstly: the fascist regime of WWII was a puppet state set up by German and Italy, who had their own territorial ambitions in the region. The Ustaše were trained by fascist Italy, remember. These fascists were supported only by a very small percentage of the Croatian population (although some people conveniently ignore or are ignorant of this fact). Today's Croatia has no responsibility for the reprehensible actions of the puppet state of WWII.
Secondly, the Krajina has always been Croatian territory. Tens of thousands of Croatians were "cleansed" from the Krajina by Serbs, yet you rarely hear mention of this (usually never) from the Serb commentators. Accusations that today's Croatia is a "Greater Croatia" is absolutely ridiculous. Furthermore, Serbs actually have the right to return - can RS claim that it has made the same progress allowing former Croatian residents to return?
Serbia directed the aggression against Croatia when all Croatians wanted was their independence. The JNA attacked Croatia, remember. Serbia (and many Serbs) is responsible for uncountable attrocities/war crimes. It is unfortunate to the extreme that Serbs can never admit to any wrongdoing.
Penguin,
While it is true the Serbs can't admit to any wrong-doing, your comment regarding WWII atrocities makes it blatantly apparent that Croats CAN'T either....Think about a little bit and read some non-Croatian history books. It might do you some good.....
Penguin is absolutly correct in saying that Serbian Extremist are famuos for blatant historical revisionism for their politcal purpose of a Greater Serbia, and one such example is the fact that Serbs choose to ignore the FACT that Ustashe were only supported by a small percentage of the Croatian population, and that it was the Croatian Peasant Party(HSS) that was the most popular poltical party in Croatia prior to the break out of WW2, and NOT the Ustase!
Some could say that it was only the Serbian Hegemony that was the Kingdom of Yugoslavia , and the assasination of Croat political leaders such as Stjepan Radic(HSS) that led 'some' Croats to turn to the Ustase as a means of achieveing there goals.
Nevertheless, the Republic of Croatia(today) is no way whatsoever a successor to NDH, and has never claimed to be, but inactual fact a Successor to the SFR of Yugoslavia and ZAVNOH, thus the state bears no responsibility of the crimes commited in NDH, as SFR of Croatia and its Partizan army defeated NDH and the axis. That is why Serbia threat of sueing Croatia for WW2 would have no legal grounds.
These WW2 atrocities committed by the Croatian Nazi state are blown out of proportion.
1) The state of Israel and the Republic of croatia have excellent relations and no compensation has been promised or changed hands.
2) Numerous "deceased" surnames alleged to be murdered by the croatia Nazi regime are untrue. Some have even migrated to Australia and passed away ther - Dead man walking
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