If you have forgotten, we resisted peacefully under the leadership of Ibrahim Rugova for 10 years, until people started realising that peaceful resistance was not going to work with the Serbs.
You will hear soon about the troubles Greece will have for supporting Milosevic and SERBIA....?? than you will talk about poor albanians and serbs. You have no courage to defend your country which you will need very soon to do it.
@ PB:
"If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future."
This is completely untrue. Kosovo Albanians resisted peacefully from 1989 to 1997. Only after the internatinal community ignored their plight, that they started their liberation war in 1997. Before that they had chosed peaceful resistance to Serbian occupation, which of course failed.
According to Batakovic “Serbia now pursues a peaceful policy, respecting its international obligations and urging others to do the same…”
Interestingly enough, he considers it as completely valid that this peaceful policy and (partial) respect of international obligations has just started, in complete disregard of the past policies that have brought about destruction and suffering to all, especially to Serbs themselves, although they still refuse to accept that fact.
Isn’t the Responsibility to Protect one of the international obligations that Serbia should have respected. If it had, then it would have not come to this. Belgrade recognizes the sovereignty of the state, upheld by an institution (the UN), but still does not recognize one of its creations (UNMIK), they expect to be brought justice by the same body they deny. How can that be?!?!?!?!
On the other hand Serb politicians claim that Serbia has now become democratic and thus it deserves to keep Kosovo. They should be aware that 2 million people come with the territory. Do they have any plans as to how they would deal with them, differently from how they have been dealt with throughout history? If yes, I would love to hear about it to see how Serbia has hanged, because so far they only complain about loss of territory, but not once considering the people living within it.
Haha, Please people Kosovo has nothing to do with Bosnia. Karadic and Mladic are in no way connected with Kosovo. If you want to speak of obligations, KLA members are active participants of the Kosovo government. Is this fair? NO. So in this case USA and the West did not fulfill their international obligation for capturing them and/or forcing the ALbanians to hand them over. Next, has USA or any other country fulfilled their obligations? Look at IRAQ? SERBIA? Also, I do not see 300 yr old mosques in Kosovo but rather 300 yr old churches or at least what is left of them. Why? Because modern Albanian civilization has not existed in Kosovo but rather the Serbian. The Kosovars outnumber the Serbs in Kosovo bc:
1. Tito handed welfare for each Albanian family. Which meant the more children you had the more money you got. But only if you were Albanian. Why? Because he needed to dilute the Serbian population and Serbian influence.
2. He presented an open border policy with Albania. Given the fact that Albania was 20 yrs behind Yugoslavia at the time they of course migrated. That is why the density of people per kilometer in Kosovo is unnaturally 2x higher then any other country in the region, including Albania.
Albanians use propaganda to say that they have populated the region since the world has existed but if you look at it that way that should have all of former Yugoslavia, Greece, Hungary, and Austria in their hands.
Please people stop the propaganda.
It seems that every day people come up with new historical "facts". Please review modern history when you make your stupid comments.
BTW: Serbs have suffered more at the hands of the oppressor (Ottomans which included Albanians, and also Austria-Hungarians) then any peoples in Europe.
"When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. "
No Mel, I am afraid you are extremely wrong. that´s so far from reason that there is nothing to say about it...
let me explain you something.
the k-albanians are, even if they don´t like to hear it, nominally citizens of the Republic of Serbia, since this territory is historically, legtally and culturally a part of Serbia. K-albanians live there, but not as the "owners"
to make it clearer: you have bought or inherited a house with, let´s say ten apartments.
you live in one apartment, and the other 9 are occupied by nine different families.
after your logic, the house would belong to those who live there...but that´s simply nonsense.
it´s the same with the serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija.
you live there, but it is not yours. it´s that simple.
I know, you are being told something different in your k-tv and a lot of lies and fabrications were placed to convince you, that you are the "true owners" like the false claim of being the descendants of the illyrians and other nonsense...but, it is simply a false history you´ve been taught.
so, no way of grabbing foreign land away, I am sorry.
When I read what the pro-independence entries in this forum, it makes me understand that the Albanian side is out of fuel. They want a wash & go solution with 100% success in their favour.
This does not happen even if you win a military conflict and will happen now under this situation ?
The Albanians must be very careful how they will handle this standstill and not loose nerve, if they dare to create troubles and attack the enclaves then the world public opinion will reverse and will be against them.
Therefore, the only way is to sit and renegotiate the plan, both sides must come out of this as winners.
So, please I dont want to hear about poor Albanians and bad Serbs no more.
The time for further talks is over. Serbs had more than a year to talk and negotiate. The international commumity has tolerated the Serbs many times such as waiting for Serbs to have the general election and then Serbs wanted to wait for the decision until the government is formed. There is still no government in Serbia. To have a talk there need to be a kind of purpose, good will and realism from the parties involved in the talks. Albanians in Kosova want independence and Serbs want Kosova to remain part of Serbia. Dont forget guys that the history between the two nations hasnt been a pleasant one. The Serbian insistance to keep Kosova would be like a forced marriage. So both Kosovars (Albanian and Serbs) and Serbia should get on with their lives and both learn to live together as good neighbours with Europan values. So there is no need to mess up what President Ahtisari has achieved.
Did we not forget crimes against Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and others that Serbs did. Best thing that ever happened to Albanians was Milosevic - because of him they will be a free and independent nation in a couple of months. I heard Albanians will create a monument for Milosevic in Pristina as he was a key player to their independence.
“It is very encouraging that Lavrov said the negotiating process for Kosovo would be halted in case of threats or an outbreak of violence,” Bataković said adding that “threats of possible violent outbursts in Kosovo would thus not be tolerated nor used to pressure Serbia.”
I agree with this stand. Blackmailers of violence must be condemned and not rewarded.
Serbia and Russia know that Kosovo will become independent.
Their whole aim is to try and delay the process as long as possible, to cause more suffering for albanians so that they get frustrated and retaliate. That way they can say ' OH look at albanians they are terrorist, violent, blah blah blah"
Even then Serbia still won't be able to keep Kosovo, however for Koshtunica causing as much pain and suffering to kosovo residents is less important than for him to do in the history book as the PM who tried really hard to keep Kosovo ' the heart of Serbia'!
Every sane person knows that Russia's stance, 'mutualy accepted solution' will never happen.
Maybe Russia is the ally of albanians!!! If UN was to propose for Kosovo to remain within serbia, which albanians would never ever accept, than Russia will veto the proposal, since its not 'mutualy accepted'!
Can't the serbs see how Russia's stance is so ridicuolus?
Keep on dreaming. Negotiations, if you might call them that, are OVER! The United States have already proclaimed that if a UN security council resolution fails to pass, they WILL RECOGNIZE UNILATERALLY DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FOR THE STATE OF KOSOVA! That is all we care about. We don't care about Russia, we certainly don't care about Serbia! If the United States recognizes the new state, half the world will too! And that's it. Serbia and Batakovic can cry us a river!
If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future.
Serbia is "respecting its international obligations and expecting others to do the same"??? Mr. Batakovic, where are Mladic and Karadzic - or did Serbia forget THIS international obligation?
Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?
I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?
There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.
How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?
The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.
The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...
It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.
Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?
I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?
There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.
How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?
The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.
The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...
It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.
Serbia is "respecting its international obligations and expecting others to do the same"??? Mr. Batakovic, where are Mladic and Karadzic - or did Serbia forget THIS international obligation?
If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future.
Keep on dreaming. Negotiations, if you might call them that, are OVER! The United States have already proclaimed that if a UN security council resolution fails to pass, they WILL RECOGNIZE UNILATERALLY DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FOR THE STATE OF KOSOVA! That is all we care about. We don't care about Russia, we certainly don't care about Serbia! If the United States recognizes the new state, half the world will too! And that's it. Serbia and Batakovic can cry us a river!
Did we not forget crimes against Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and others that Serbs did. Best thing that ever happened to Albanians was Milosevic - because of him they will be a free and independent nation in a couple of months. I heard Albanians will create a monument for Milosevic in Pristina as he was a key player to their independence.
Serbia and Russia know that Kosovo will become independent.
Their whole aim is to try and delay the process as long as possible, to cause more suffering for albanians so that they get frustrated and retaliate. That way they can say ' OH look at albanians they are terrorist, violent, blah blah blah"
Even then Serbia still won't be able to keep Kosovo, however for Koshtunica causing as much pain and suffering to kosovo residents is less important than for him to do in the history book as the PM who tried really hard to keep Kosovo ' the heart of Serbia'!
Every sane person knows that Russia's stance, 'mutualy accepted solution' will never happen.
Maybe Russia is the ally of albanians!!! If UN was to propose for Kosovo to remain within serbia, which albanians would never ever accept, than Russia will veto the proposal, since its not 'mutualy accepted'!
Can't the serbs see how Russia's stance is so ridicuolus?
“It is very encouraging that Lavrov said the negotiating process for Kosovo would be halted in case of threats or an outbreak of violence,” Bataković said adding that “threats of possible violent outbursts in Kosovo would thus not be tolerated nor used to pressure Serbia.”
I agree with this stand. Blackmailers of violence must be condemned and not rewarded.
The time for further talks is over. Serbs had more than a year to talk and negotiate. The international commumity has tolerated the Serbs many times such as waiting for Serbs to have the general election and then Serbs wanted to wait for the decision until the government is formed. There is still no government in Serbia. To have a talk there need to be a kind of purpose, good will and realism from the parties involved in the talks. Albanians in Kosova want independence and Serbs want Kosova to remain part of Serbia. Dont forget guys that the history between the two nations hasnt been a pleasant one. The Serbian insistance to keep Kosova would be like a forced marriage. So both Kosovars (Albanian and Serbs) and Serbia should get on with their lives and both learn to live together as good neighbours with Europan values. So there is no need to mess up what President Ahtisari has achieved.
When I read what the pro-independence entries in this forum, it makes me understand that the Albanian side is out of fuel. They want a wash & go solution with 100% success in their favour.
This does not happen even if you win a military conflict and will happen now under this situation ?
The Albanians must be very careful how they will handle this standstill and not loose nerve, if they dare to create troubles and attack the enclaves then the world public opinion will reverse and will be against them.
Therefore, the only way is to sit and renegotiate the plan, both sides must come out of this as winners.
So, please I dont want to hear about poor Albanians and bad Serbs no more.
"When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. "
No Mel, I am afraid you are extremely wrong. that´s so far from reason that there is nothing to say about it...
let me explain you something.
the k-albanians are, even if they don´t like to hear it, nominally citizens of the Republic of Serbia, since this territory is historically, legtally and culturally a part of Serbia. K-albanians live there, but not as the "owners"
to make it clearer: you have bought or inherited a house with, let´s say ten apartments.
you live in one apartment, and the other 9 are occupied by nine different families.
after your logic, the house would belong to those who live there...but that´s simply nonsense.
it´s the same with the serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija.
you live there, but it is not yours. it´s that simple.
I know, you are being told something different in your k-tv and a lot of lies and fabrications were placed to convince you, that you are the "true owners" like the false claim of being the descendants of the illyrians and other nonsense...but, it is simply a false history you´ve been taught.
so, no way of grabbing foreign land away, I am sorry.
Haha, Please people Kosovo has nothing to do with Bosnia. Karadic and Mladic are in no way connected with Kosovo. If you want to speak of obligations, KLA members are active participants of the Kosovo government. Is this fair? NO. So in this case USA and the West did not fulfill their international obligation for capturing them and/or forcing the ALbanians to hand them over. Next, has USA or any other country fulfilled their obligations? Look at IRAQ? SERBIA? Also, I do not see 300 yr old mosques in Kosovo but rather 300 yr old churches or at least what is left of them. Why? Because modern Albanian civilization has not existed in Kosovo but rather the Serbian. The Kosovars outnumber the Serbs in Kosovo bc:
1. Tito handed welfare for each Albanian family. Which meant the more children you had the more money you got. But only if you were Albanian. Why? Because he needed to dilute the Serbian population and Serbian influence.
2. He presented an open border policy with Albania. Given the fact that Albania was 20 yrs behind Yugoslavia at the time they of course migrated. That is why the density of people per kilometer in Kosovo is unnaturally 2x higher then any other country in the region, including Albania.
Albanians use propaganda to say that they have populated the region since the world has existed but if you look at it that way that should have all of former Yugoslavia, Greece, Hungary, and Austria in their hands.
Please people stop the propaganda.
It seems that every day people come up with new historical "facts". Please review modern history when you make your stupid comments.
BTW: Serbs have suffered more at the hands of the oppressor (Ottomans which included Albanians, and also Austria-Hungarians) then any peoples in Europe.
According to Batakovic “Serbia now pursues a peaceful policy, respecting its international obligations and urging others to do the same…”
Interestingly enough, he considers it as completely valid that this peaceful policy and (partial) respect of international obligations has just started, in complete disregard of the past policies that have brought about destruction and suffering to all, especially to Serbs themselves, although they still refuse to accept that fact.
Isn’t the Responsibility to Protect one of the international obligations that Serbia should have respected. If it had, then it would have not come to this. Belgrade recognizes the sovereignty of the state, upheld by an institution (the UN), but still does not recognize one of its creations (UNMIK), they expect to be brought justice by the same body they deny. How can that be?!?!?!?!
On the other hand Serb politicians claim that Serbia has now become democratic and thus it deserves to keep Kosovo. They should be aware that 2 million people come with the territory. Do they have any plans as to how they would deal with them, differently from how they have been dealt with throughout history? If yes, I would love to hear about it to see how Serbia has hanged, because so far they only complain about loss of territory, but not once considering the people living within it.
@ PB:
"If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future."
This is completely untrue. Kosovo Albanians resisted peacefully from 1989 to 1997. Only after the internatinal community ignored their plight, that they started their liberation war in 1997. Before that they had chosed peaceful resistance to Serbian occupation, which of course failed.
You will hear soon about the troubles Greece will have for supporting Milosevic and SERBIA....?? than you will talk about poor albanians and serbs. You have no courage to defend your country which you will need very soon to do it.
If you have forgotten, we resisted peacefully under the leadership of Ibrahim Rugova for 10 years, until people started realising that peaceful resistance was not going to work with the Serbs.
Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?
I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?
There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.
How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?
The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.
The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...
It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.
Serbia is "respecting its international obligations and expecting others to do the same"??? Mr. Batakovic, where are Mladic and Karadzic - or did Serbia forget THIS international obligation?
If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future.
Keep on dreaming. Negotiations, if you might call them that, are OVER! The United States have already proclaimed that if a UN security council resolution fails to pass, they WILL RECOGNIZE UNILATERALLY DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FOR THE STATE OF KOSOVA! That is all we care about. We don't care about Russia, we certainly don't care about Serbia! If the United States recognizes the new state, half the world will too! And that's it. Serbia and Batakovic can cry us a river!
Did we not forget crimes against Albanians, Bosnians, Croats and others that Serbs did. Best thing that ever happened to Albanians was Milosevic - because of him they will be a free and independent nation in a couple of months. I heard Albanians will create a monument for Milosevic in Pristina as he was a key player to their independence.
Serbia and Russia know that Kosovo will become independent.
Their whole aim is to try and delay the process as long as possible, to cause more suffering for albanians so that they get frustrated and retaliate. That way they can say ' OH look at albanians they are terrorist, violent, blah blah blah"
Even then Serbia still won't be able to keep Kosovo, however for Koshtunica causing as much pain and suffering to kosovo residents is less important than for him to do in the history book as the PM who tried really hard to keep Kosovo ' the heart of Serbia'!
Every sane person knows that Russia's stance, 'mutualy accepted solution' will never happen.
Maybe Russia is the ally of albanians!!! If UN was to propose for Kosovo to remain within serbia, which albanians would never ever accept, than Russia will veto the proposal, since its not 'mutualy accepted'!
Can't the serbs see how Russia's stance is so ridicuolus?
“It is very encouraging that Lavrov said the negotiating process for Kosovo would be halted in case of threats or an outbreak of violence,” Bataković said adding that “threats of possible violent outbursts in Kosovo would thus not be tolerated nor used to pressure Serbia.”
I agree with this stand. Blackmailers of violence must be condemned and not rewarded.
The time for further talks is over. Serbs had more than a year to talk and negotiate. The international commumity has tolerated the Serbs many times such as waiting for Serbs to have the general election and then Serbs wanted to wait for the decision until the government is formed. There is still no government in Serbia. To have a talk there need to be a kind of purpose, good will and realism from the parties involved in the talks. Albanians in Kosova want independence and Serbs want Kosova to remain part of Serbia. Dont forget guys that the history between the two nations hasnt been a pleasant one. The Serbian insistance to keep Kosova would be like a forced marriage. So both Kosovars (Albanian and Serbs) and Serbia should get on with their lives and both learn to live together as good neighbours with Europan values. So there is no need to mess up what President Ahtisari has achieved.
When I read what the pro-independence entries in this forum, it makes me understand that the Albanian side is out of fuel. They want a wash & go solution with 100% success in their favour.
This does not happen even if you win a military conflict and will happen now under this situation ?
The Albanians must be very careful how they will handle this standstill and not loose nerve, if they dare to create troubles and attack the enclaves then the world public opinion will reverse and will be against them.
Therefore, the only way is to sit and renegotiate the plan, both sides must come out of this as winners.
So, please I dont want to hear about poor Albanians and bad Serbs no more.
"When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. "
No Mel, I am afraid you are extremely wrong. that´s so far from reason that there is nothing to say about it...
let me explain you something.
the k-albanians are, even if they don´t like to hear it, nominally citizens of the Republic of Serbia, since this territory is historically, legtally and culturally a part of Serbia. K-albanians live there, but not as the "owners"
to make it clearer: you have bought or inherited a house with, let´s say ten apartments.
you live in one apartment, and the other 9 are occupied by nine different families.
after your logic, the house would belong to those who live there...but that´s simply nonsense.
it´s the same with the serbian province of Kosovo i Metohija.
you live there, but it is not yours. it´s that simple.
I know, you are being told something different in your k-tv and a lot of lies and fabrications were placed to convince you, that you are the "true owners" like the false claim of being the descendants of the illyrians and other nonsense...but, it is simply a false history you´ve been taught.
so, no way of grabbing foreign land away, I am sorry.
Haha, Please people Kosovo has nothing to do with Bosnia. Karadic and Mladic are in no way connected with Kosovo. If you want to speak of obligations, KLA members are active participants of the Kosovo government. Is this fair? NO. So in this case USA and the West did not fulfill their international obligation for capturing them and/or forcing the ALbanians to hand them over. Next, has USA or any other country fulfilled their obligations? Look at IRAQ? SERBIA? Also, I do not see 300 yr old mosques in Kosovo but rather 300 yr old churches or at least what is left of them. Why? Because modern Albanian civilization has not existed in Kosovo but rather the Serbian. The Kosovars outnumber the Serbs in Kosovo bc:
1. Tito handed welfare for each Albanian family. Which meant the more children you had the more money you got. But only if you were Albanian. Why? Because he needed to dilute the Serbian population and Serbian influence.
2. He presented an open border policy with Albania. Given the fact that Albania was 20 yrs behind Yugoslavia at the time they of course migrated. That is why the density of people per kilometer in Kosovo is unnaturally 2x higher then any other country in the region, including Albania.
Albanians use propaganda to say that they have populated the region since the world has existed but if you look at it that way that should have all of former Yugoslavia, Greece, Hungary, and Austria in their hands.
Please people stop the propaganda.
It seems that every day people come up with new historical "facts". Please review modern history when you make your stupid comments.
BTW: Serbs have suffered more at the hands of the oppressor (Ottomans which included Albanians, and also Austria-Hungarians) then any peoples in Europe.
According to Batakovic “Serbia now pursues a peaceful policy, respecting its international obligations and urging others to do the same…”
Interestingly enough, he considers it as completely valid that this peaceful policy and (partial) respect of international obligations has just started, in complete disregard of the past policies that have brought about destruction and suffering to all, especially to Serbs themselves, although they still refuse to accept that fact.
Isn’t the Responsibility to Protect one of the international obligations that Serbia should have respected. If it had, then it would have not come to this. Belgrade recognizes the sovereignty of the state, upheld by an institution (the UN), but still does not recognize one of its creations (UNMIK), they expect to be brought justice by the same body they deny. How can that be?!?!?!?!
On the other hand Serb politicians claim that Serbia has now become democratic and thus it deserves to keep Kosovo. They should be aware that 2 million people come with the territory. Do they have any plans as to how they would deal with them, differently from how they have been dealt with throughout history? If yes, I would love to hear about it to see how Serbia has hanged, because so far they only complain about loss of territory, but not once considering the people living within it.
@ PB:
"If you wanted Independence, then you should have used peaceful means in the first place to try to obtain it. Instead you tried to unilaterally break away with no discussion by deploying the KLA to start a terror campaign. Serbia responded to force with force. YOU fired the first shots in anger, NOT serbia. If you want Independence then you should negotiate now otherwise there will be trouble in the future."
This is completely untrue. Kosovo Albanians resisted peacefully from 1989 to 1997. Only after the internatinal community ignored their plight, that they started their liberation war in 1997. Before that they had chosed peaceful resistance to Serbian occupation, which of course failed.
You will hear soon about the troubles Greece will have for supporting Milosevic and SERBIA....?? than you will talk about poor albanians and serbs. You have no courage to defend your country which you will need very soon to do it.
If you have forgotten, we resisted peacefully under the leadership of Ibrahim Rugova for 10 years, until people started realising that peaceful resistance was not going to work with the Serbs.
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