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Serbia plays Kosovo partition card

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Lirim

pre 17 godina

Walter first when u make a coment for a nation u have to know the history of that same nation.you have no idea for the history of Albanians you think that Albanians came in europe from midle-east .you forgat that we lived there for 2000 years. you forgot that we were the ones who civilised and culturised the balcans way before the serbs came from rusia.we were the people that saved europe from otoman empire and everybody knows that in europe .you know that albanians are never known to ocupied any country .you know that we never been the agresors to anybody but we sufer for centuries from others and if u think that one coment represent the whole nation u are again wrongue we gave world so much to thik that we are a nation that lived there for thousends of years u can look in any history book .finaly Albanians belive in 3 religions and we have never had problems because of that culture ,we gave world the best of albanian nation to care for the victimes of poverty that ur ancestors left all over the world mother Teresa

Walter

pre 17 godina

You write “B92 is not responsible for the contents of the published comments. Opinions expressed in the comments are the private opinions of their authors and do not represent the opinions of the B92 news staff.” This disclaimer is garbage since you censor reader’s comments that you solicit. By omitting sections from my comment you make the comment your own. I made some points which are true at least in the society here in Canada which you chose not to print. Muslims are promised 72 virgins in heaven if they do the work of Allah. This is just pandering to the male ego since those who seek this need a sex therapist to help them with their sexual inadequacy. On the other hand what did you find offensive in my comment that “Virginity is like politics. When one refuses to see their political ideology as others see it this is like sex with a virgin-- one dimensional and Ahmets of the world say its God’s will while the virgin remains ignorant” If you don’t see yourself as others see you how can you understand why others disagree with you or how can a virgin know love when she has never experienced it before? What exactly is offensive in the following comment “Yes Ahmet Kosovo is a cradle of Serbian culture where priests marry, they don’t bugger children like Catholics do, they don’t circumcise women like Muslims do, they don’t dress their women in bee keeper outfits and force them to walk ten steps behind them, that is the culture that your women want but you Ahmet are afraid of that since you are afraid that your wife will see you as just another man no better nor worse than your neighbor.” It is a well documented fact that Catholic priests have sodomized thousands of children. In Canada these pedophiles, to use only one example, have destroyed a generation of children in native Residential Schools and it is only now that our society is dealing with this tragedy. What exactly is incorrect about my comment about female circumcision that Muslims perform on millions of young girls around the world and in many cases using rusty razor blades? It is this clan mentality that is predominant in Albania and much of Kosovo. In Iran women who refuse to wear a full body cover, what I choose to call bee keeper’s outfit” will be sent to camps for re-education. Since I am a hobbyist bee keeper I have worn a bee keeper’s outfit on a hot day and if I was forced to wear it every day I would consider this as torture. By omitting my comments in order not to offend those who refuse to see themselves as others see them you make my comment yours. If you can show that I was vulgar or incorrect I can accept you redacting my comments but not when you wish to be politically correct. You are playing the same game that US played at Milosevic’s trial when they redacted sections of documents and then used the censor documents as evidence.

Walter

pre 17 godina

Ahmet writes “Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that”, however Ahmet forgets that his religion enslaves 50% of his population and he tell us God (Allah) is on his side. His God commands him to have 50% of his population dressed as bee keepers and he call this Allah’s will. Allah promises Ahmet 72 virgins in heaven if he sacrifices his life for jihad. Ahmet writes and I think he is referring to the Serbs “that GOD will have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep”. Ahmet your society has been asleep for 2000 years. It’s the 21st century man; slavery has been outlawed for 200 years everywhere except in Muslim nations so wake up.

S. Harris

pre 17 godina

Partitioning Kosovo and Metohija can only lead to continued ethnic tension between citizens living in the Serbian province and to continued violence.
Building brick walls does not create love and harmony as some seem to think!
Wide autonomy for the Albanians living in the Serbian province is the best outcome that will give multi-ethnicity a chance.
There does not need to be a land change there needs to be a "mind change".

Zoran

pre 17 godina

Walter: Whoever you are, thank God for people like you! Your intelligent truth & justice based comments are a breath of fresh air! I just wish people of your caliber would run our (US) government, maybe then we could return to our rightful place as a benevolent peace-keeper instead of a menevolent war monger. I think partition is better then losing everything, but Serbia should not have to lose anything! Please stop quoting Margaret Thatcher! She is known to be anti-Serb & a war monger herself (Falklands 1982).

Dinah

pre 17 godina

Unfortunately, the author has forgotton to mention the 200 armend Serbian policemen who are currently in Northern Mitrovia - registered as students or as workers for the hospital there. Among them there are highly persitioned persons from the Serbian military. Additionally, 38 other Serbian military are now in the area of Gjilan. Is this the Serbian way of peace?

genc

pre 17 godina

Jovan, "broad autonomy" was over in 1989. History doesn't repeat twice in the same form. Or, it will be definitively over with Serbia and Kosovo joining the EU.

Alan

pre 17 godina

Here what one of most influential woman of the 20 century Margaret Thatcher “Iron lady” said about Kosovo
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108381
It would be both cruel and stupid to expect the Albanian Kosovars now to return to live under any form of Serbian rule. Kosovo must be given independence, initially under international protection. And there must be no partition, a plan that predictable siren voices are already advancing. Partition would only serve to reward violence and ethnic cleansing. It would be to concede defeat. And I am unmoved by Serb pleas to retain their grasp on most of Kosovo because it contains their holy places. Coming from those who systematically leveled Catholic churches and Muslim mosques wherever they went, such an argument is cynical almost to the point of blasphemy.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

ddc, who ever you are,the reason i use word GOD is very simple becasue I beleive in GOD.For us Albanians religioin was never an issue, because we are of different religious beleivs and never have any problems in that regard. serbs have a problem because they use religioin as an excuse at all times, andc their religious leaders gave blesings to serb soldiers before they went in rampage and murdered inocent people. We have all seen that on TV screens, I personaly have seen it on ABC,NBC,CBS, CNN, FOX News etc... when orthodox priests did that and the next day masacres took place in Croatia and Bosnia, than continued in Kosova. Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that.

Walter

pre 17 godina

Informed people know about violation of international law by NATO nations. Every treaty signed by Yugoslavia with the international community starting with the Versailles Treaties, treaties on the creation of the United Nations and post WWII treaties which include the Helsinki Accord on borders have been violated by NATO nations and now they want to violate UN Resolution 1244 which protects national sovereignty of nations. With a history of violations of international law by US and NATO, the injustices, the lies, and the harm caused by these actions B92 and others continue to genuflect at the feet of Mammon. B92 by omission of balanced reporting tend to elicit support for this 'humanitarian' intervention, or partition justifying theft of Serbian territory and enslavement of the Serbian working class. B92 which is in the pocket of Soros and NATO, like the Albanians who post here distort history. They support those who speak of international law, who are signatories of treaties, on one hand, and than they support them when those same signatories break international law in order to enforce it. Events in Yugoslavia have been most thoroughly misrepresented in the corporate media including B92 and by political commentators and activists who are lazy to search for the truth. B92 genuflects to the dominant ideology and refuse to speak out against those who break the law in order to enforce it. B92 by offering this forum feel that they have done their job to promote debate, however most of those who write here debate only the topics B92 chooses to print. There is a wider issue here than partition of Kosovo. The issue is who is pushing for this partition, and whose interest does this serve. The events that took place in Yugoslavia, I am certain do not serve the interest of the common people be they Serb or Albanian. My message to the common people in Serbian who are being manipulated be you Serb or Albanian comes from the English poet Shelly
'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

George

pre 17 godina

I agree with Mr. Nicholas Thompson. Partition is the only compromise which will work at the grassroots level. I am currently in Northern Kosovo and, to be honest, the separation line between South and North of Mitrovica (or Mitrovice, the Albanian version) looks more real than many borders in the Balkan region (much alike the Cyprus one, I've seen it too). Just walk ten meters away North of the main bridge over Ibar/Iber and you'll see the differences - Dinar vs. Euro, Cyrillic vs. Latin writing, churches vs. mosques (sadly, the last Orthodox church in South Mitrovica was destroyed in March 2004) etc. Not to mention that the dividing line is heavily guarded by KFOR troops. In my opinion, if Albanians and Serbs cannot live together (and doesn't want that, it seems) than in order to preserve the peace they should live separated. North Kosovo is anyway out of Pristina control since 1999, and I honestly see no way K/Albanians could take over the area - maybe only through open war, following the Milosevic model... But this may be easily prevented by KFOR - and I would like to emphasize that KFOR doesn't mean only US troops. Albanians are in for a big disappointment if they believe US or any troops from KFOR will go the extra mile to help them control all Kosovo regardless the will of compact Serb community living North of Ibar. This was prevented already in 1999 – it is a public secret that back then KFOR stooped UCK fighters South of Ibar in order to prevent to total expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo, namely "ethnic cleansing" of the province. The KFOR duty and mandate is to prevent bloodshed, not to act as “policeman” on behalf of Pristina...

lowe

pre 17 godina

My take is this: there will be partition - the question is whether it will be de jure or initially de facto.

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe,

You seemed to be pasting your same long comments in different parts of B92.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

genc, ...it will be closed once and forever, ...with broad autonomy.
all you need to have is patience, and you will see it.
and afterwards Albanians will sell it like they have "won" against the "bad Serbs"...

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe

pre 17 godina

Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?

I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?

There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.

How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?

The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.

The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...

It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.

Best regards
albanianlegend@hotmail.com

Jovan

pre 17 godina

it´s you who should wake up, ahmet...

first of all, this is a g.soros-financed site and knowing that, you should understand why there are articles like this one presented here... from the serbian standpoint, there is no need for partition.

there is no need for any kind of
partition of serbian soil.

there is more a need for learning about history, the rule of law and tolerance among the K-albanians.

but, I think Albanians will only wake up from their illusions when the US tell them to do so...
Albanians alone are not capable of doing that.

Nicholas Thompson

pre 17 godina

This is not really surprising. The Serbs are just becoming realists. And partition is a perfectly acceptable solution which makes sense. As Kosovo is essentially lost from Belgrades authority, so is Northern Kosovo gone from Pristina's authority. The Albanians should just thank their stars that they got a aprtially independent Kosovo and the Serbs can have their part which would remain a part of Serbia. Unfortunately, all the talk of violence appears to be coming from the Albanians. The West should deal with this threat to peace in exactly the same way they dealt with Serbian military attacks in Kosovo. With resolve and overwhelming military force.

genc

pre 17 godina

I don't support partition, but if partition takes place along Iber, then Presevo Valley should go to Kosovo and the game must be closed once and forever

ddc

pre 17 godina

Well, what a lovely concern for "serbs," with a small "s" in Serbs as Ahmet would spell it. Perhaps, Ahmet should think about WHO is suggesting the partition, and who is printing it. If he does that, he will see that those suggestions are coming from US-paid mouthpieces such as B92, BIRN, etc., and not from Serbian papers. Face it, the US is not all that powerful to force the UN resolution through, and that is why the US and their paid servants are suggesting partition as an alternative.

While we are here, why is a man called Ahemt not mentioning Alah but "GOD"?

Ismeel Reelbed

pre 17 godina

Bad Dream - im guessing your talking about letting people come live in your country and then those people trying to take your country apart. Partition is higly unfair to me as a Serb since Kosovo is in Srbija. However unfair, i guess i should agreen on this. Once the albanian side agrees :( I will welcome them and thier country for sake of peace. Remember, anything can still happen. Nothing is set in stone as of yet. Except the agremenet Srbija signed with the US in 1999 saying that kosovo will remain in srbija :) Bad joke i guess.

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

WOW, This is significant turn over, till now they were saying Kosova is the craddle of serbia and will never give it up, now all of suddden they are talking about northern Mitrovica only. Can any smart serb explain this to me , because I know Iam not confused but it seems to me that whole of serbia is confused with their own self. I prey for them so that GOD will j\have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep .

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

WOW, This is significant turn over, till now they were saying Kosova is the craddle of serbia and will never give it up, now all of suddden they are talking about northern Mitrovica only. Can any smart serb explain this to me , because I know Iam not confused but it seems to me that whole of serbia is confused with their own self. I prey for them so that GOD will j\have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep .

Ismeel Reelbed

pre 17 godina

Bad Dream - im guessing your talking about letting people come live in your country and then those people trying to take your country apart. Partition is higly unfair to me as a Serb since Kosovo is in Srbija. However unfair, i guess i should agreen on this. Once the albanian side agrees :( I will welcome them and thier country for sake of peace. Remember, anything can still happen. Nothing is set in stone as of yet. Except the agremenet Srbija signed with the US in 1999 saying that kosovo will remain in srbija :) Bad joke i guess.

ddc

pre 17 godina

Well, what a lovely concern for "serbs," with a small "s" in Serbs as Ahmet would spell it. Perhaps, Ahmet should think about WHO is suggesting the partition, and who is printing it. If he does that, he will see that those suggestions are coming from US-paid mouthpieces such as B92, BIRN, etc., and not from Serbian papers. Face it, the US is not all that powerful to force the UN resolution through, and that is why the US and their paid servants are suggesting partition as an alternative.

While we are here, why is a man called Ahemt not mentioning Alah but "GOD"?

genc

pre 17 godina

I don't support partition, but if partition takes place along Iber, then Presevo Valley should go to Kosovo and the game must be closed once and forever

Nicholas Thompson

pre 17 godina

This is not really surprising. The Serbs are just becoming realists. And partition is a perfectly acceptable solution which makes sense. As Kosovo is essentially lost from Belgrades authority, so is Northern Kosovo gone from Pristina's authority. The Albanians should just thank their stars that they got a aprtially independent Kosovo and the Serbs can have their part which would remain a part of Serbia. Unfortunately, all the talk of violence appears to be coming from the Albanians. The West should deal with this threat to peace in exactly the same way they dealt with Serbian military attacks in Kosovo. With resolve and overwhelming military force.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

it´s you who should wake up, ahmet...

first of all, this is a g.soros-financed site and knowing that, you should understand why there are articles like this one presented here... from the serbian standpoint, there is no need for partition.

there is no need for any kind of
partition of serbian soil.

there is more a need for learning about history, the rule of law and tolerance among the K-albanians.

but, I think Albanians will only wake up from their illusions when the US tell them to do so...
Albanians alone are not capable of doing that.

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe

pre 17 godina

Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?

I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?

There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.

How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?

The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.

The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...

It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.

Best regards
albanianlegend@hotmail.com

Jovan

pre 17 godina

genc, ...it will be closed once and forever, ...with broad autonomy.
all you need to have is patience, and you will see it.
and afterwards Albanians will sell it like they have "won" against the "bad Serbs"...

lowe

pre 17 godina

My take is this: there will be partition - the question is whether it will be de jure or initially de facto.

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe,

You seemed to be pasting your same long comments in different parts of B92.

George

pre 17 godina

I agree with Mr. Nicholas Thompson. Partition is the only compromise which will work at the grassroots level. I am currently in Northern Kosovo and, to be honest, the separation line between South and North of Mitrovica (or Mitrovice, the Albanian version) looks more real than many borders in the Balkan region (much alike the Cyprus one, I've seen it too). Just walk ten meters away North of the main bridge over Ibar/Iber and you'll see the differences - Dinar vs. Euro, Cyrillic vs. Latin writing, churches vs. mosques (sadly, the last Orthodox church in South Mitrovica was destroyed in March 2004) etc. Not to mention that the dividing line is heavily guarded by KFOR troops. In my opinion, if Albanians and Serbs cannot live together (and doesn't want that, it seems) than in order to preserve the peace they should live separated. North Kosovo is anyway out of Pristina control since 1999, and I honestly see no way K/Albanians could take over the area - maybe only through open war, following the Milosevic model... But this may be easily prevented by KFOR - and I would like to emphasize that KFOR doesn't mean only US troops. Albanians are in for a big disappointment if they believe US or any troops from KFOR will go the extra mile to help them control all Kosovo regardless the will of compact Serb community living North of Ibar. This was prevented already in 1999 – it is a public secret that back then KFOR stooped UCK fighters South of Ibar in order to prevent to total expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo, namely "ethnic cleansing" of the province. The KFOR duty and mandate is to prevent bloodshed, not to act as “policeman” on behalf of Pristina...

Walter

pre 17 godina

Informed people know about violation of international law by NATO nations. Every treaty signed by Yugoslavia with the international community starting with the Versailles Treaties, treaties on the creation of the United Nations and post WWII treaties which include the Helsinki Accord on borders have been violated by NATO nations and now they want to violate UN Resolution 1244 which protects national sovereignty of nations. With a history of violations of international law by US and NATO, the injustices, the lies, and the harm caused by these actions B92 and others continue to genuflect at the feet of Mammon. B92 by omission of balanced reporting tend to elicit support for this 'humanitarian' intervention, or partition justifying theft of Serbian territory and enslavement of the Serbian working class. B92 which is in the pocket of Soros and NATO, like the Albanians who post here distort history. They support those who speak of international law, who are signatories of treaties, on one hand, and than they support them when those same signatories break international law in order to enforce it. Events in Yugoslavia have been most thoroughly misrepresented in the corporate media including B92 and by political commentators and activists who are lazy to search for the truth. B92 genuflects to the dominant ideology and refuse to speak out against those who break the law in order to enforce it. B92 by offering this forum feel that they have done their job to promote debate, however most of those who write here debate only the topics B92 chooses to print. There is a wider issue here than partition of Kosovo. The issue is who is pushing for this partition, and whose interest does this serve. The events that took place in Yugoslavia, I am certain do not serve the interest of the common people be they Serb or Albanian. My message to the common people in Serbian who are being manipulated be you Serb or Albanian comes from the English poet Shelly
'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

ddc, who ever you are,the reason i use word GOD is very simple becasue I beleive in GOD.For us Albanians religioin was never an issue, because we are of different religious beleivs and never have any problems in that regard. serbs have a problem because they use religioin as an excuse at all times, andc their religious leaders gave blesings to serb soldiers before they went in rampage and murdered inocent people. We have all seen that on TV screens, I personaly have seen it on ABC,NBC,CBS, CNN, FOX News etc... when orthodox priests did that and the next day masacres took place in Croatia and Bosnia, than continued in Kosova. Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that.

Alan

pre 17 godina

Here what one of most influential woman of the 20 century Margaret Thatcher “Iron lady” said about Kosovo
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108381
It would be both cruel and stupid to expect the Albanian Kosovars now to return to live under any form of Serbian rule. Kosovo must be given independence, initially under international protection. And there must be no partition, a plan that predictable siren voices are already advancing. Partition would only serve to reward violence and ethnic cleansing. It would be to concede defeat. And I am unmoved by Serb pleas to retain their grasp on most of Kosovo because it contains their holy places. Coming from those who systematically leveled Catholic churches and Muslim mosques wherever they went, such an argument is cynical almost to the point of blasphemy.

genc

pre 17 godina

Jovan, "broad autonomy" was over in 1989. History doesn't repeat twice in the same form. Or, it will be definitively over with Serbia and Kosovo joining the EU.

Dinah

pre 17 godina

Unfortunately, the author has forgotton to mention the 200 armend Serbian policemen who are currently in Northern Mitrovia - registered as students or as workers for the hospital there. Among them there are highly persitioned persons from the Serbian military. Additionally, 38 other Serbian military are now in the area of Gjilan. Is this the Serbian way of peace?

Zoran

pre 17 godina

Walter: Whoever you are, thank God for people like you! Your intelligent truth & justice based comments are a breath of fresh air! I just wish people of your caliber would run our (US) government, maybe then we could return to our rightful place as a benevolent peace-keeper instead of a menevolent war monger. I think partition is better then losing everything, but Serbia should not have to lose anything! Please stop quoting Margaret Thatcher! She is known to be anti-Serb & a war monger herself (Falklands 1982).

S. Harris

pre 17 godina

Partitioning Kosovo and Metohija can only lead to continued ethnic tension between citizens living in the Serbian province and to continued violence.
Building brick walls does not create love and harmony as some seem to think!
Wide autonomy for the Albanians living in the Serbian province is the best outcome that will give multi-ethnicity a chance.
There does not need to be a land change there needs to be a "mind change".

Walter

pre 17 godina

Ahmet writes “Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that”, however Ahmet forgets that his religion enslaves 50% of his population and he tell us God (Allah) is on his side. His God commands him to have 50% of his population dressed as bee keepers and he call this Allah’s will. Allah promises Ahmet 72 virgins in heaven if he sacrifices his life for jihad. Ahmet writes and I think he is referring to the Serbs “that GOD will have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep”. Ahmet your society has been asleep for 2000 years. It’s the 21st century man; slavery has been outlawed for 200 years everywhere except in Muslim nations so wake up.

Walter

pre 17 godina

You write “B92 is not responsible for the contents of the published comments. Opinions expressed in the comments are the private opinions of their authors and do not represent the opinions of the B92 news staff.” This disclaimer is garbage since you censor reader’s comments that you solicit. By omitting sections from my comment you make the comment your own. I made some points which are true at least in the society here in Canada which you chose not to print. Muslims are promised 72 virgins in heaven if they do the work of Allah. This is just pandering to the male ego since those who seek this need a sex therapist to help them with their sexual inadequacy. On the other hand what did you find offensive in my comment that “Virginity is like politics. When one refuses to see their political ideology as others see it this is like sex with a virgin-- one dimensional and Ahmets of the world say its God’s will while the virgin remains ignorant” If you don’t see yourself as others see you how can you understand why others disagree with you or how can a virgin know love when she has never experienced it before? What exactly is offensive in the following comment “Yes Ahmet Kosovo is a cradle of Serbian culture where priests marry, they don’t bugger children like Catholics do, they don’t circumcise women like Muslims do, they don’t dress their women in bee keeper outfits and force them to walk ten steps behind them, that is the culture that your women want but you Ahmet are afraid of that since you are afraid that your wife will see you as just another man no better nor worse than your neighbor.” It is a well documented fact that Catholic priests have sodomized thousands of children. In Canada these pedophiles, to use only one example, have destroyed a generation of children in native Residential Schools and it is only now that our society is dealing with this tragedy. What exactly is incorrect about my comment about female circumcision that Muslims perform on millions of young girls around the world and in many cases using rusty razor blades? It is this clan mentality that is predominant in Albania and much of Kosovo. In Iran women who refuse to wear a full body cover, what I choose to call bee keeper’s outfit” will be sent to camps for re-education. Since I am a hobbyist bee keeper I have worn a bee keeper’s outfit on a hot day and if I was forced to wear it every day I would consider this as torture. By omitting my comments in order not to offend those who refuse to see themselves as others see them you make my comment yours. If you can show that I was vulgar or incorrect I can accept you redacting my comments but not when you wish to be politically correct. You are playing the same game that US played at Milosevic’s trial when they redacted sections of documents and then used the censor documents as evidence.

Lirim

pre 17 godina

Walter first when u make a coment for a nation u have to know the history of that same nation.you have no idea for the history of Albanians you think that Albanians came in europe from midle-east .you forgat that we lived there for 2000 years. you forgot that we were the ones who civilised and culturised the balcans way before the serbs came from rusia.we were the people that saved europe from otoman empire and everybody knows that in europe .you know that albanians are never known to ocupied any country .you know that we never been the agresors to anybody but we sufer for centuries from others and if u think that one coment represent the whole nation u are again wrongue we gave world so much to thik that we are a nation that lived there for thousends of years u can look in any history book .finaly Albanians belive in 3 religions and we have never had problems because of that culture ,we gave world the best of albanian nation to care for the victimes of poverty that ur ancestors left all over the world mother Teresa

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

WOW, This is significant turn over, till now they were saying Kosova is the craddle of serbia and will never give it up, now all of suddden they are talking about northern Mitrovica only. Can any smart serb explain this to me , because I know Iam not confused but it seems to me that whole of serbia is confused with their own self. I prey for them so that GOD will j\have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep .

Ismeel Reelbed

pre 17 godina

Bad Dream - im guessing your talking about letting people come live in your country and then those people trying to take your country apart. Partition is higly unfair to me as a Serb since Kosovo is in Srbija. However unfair, i guess i should agreen on this. Once the albanian side agrees :( I will welcome them and thier country for sake of peace. Remember, anything can still happen. Nothing is set in stone as of yet. Except the agremenet Srbija signed with the US in 1999 saying that kosovo will remain in srbija :) Bad joke i guess.

ddc

pre 17 godina

Well, what a lovely concern for "serbs," with a small "s" in Serbs as Ahmet would spell it. Perhaps, Ahmet should think about WHO is suggesting the partition, and who is printing it. If he does that, he will see that those suggestions are coming from US-paid mouthpieces such as B92, BIRN, etc., and not from Serbian papers. Face it, the US is not all that powerful to force the UN resolution through, and that is why the US and their paid servants are suggesting partition as an alternative.

While we are here, why is a man called Ahemt not mentioning Alah but "GOD"?

genc

pre 17 godina

I don't support partition, but if partition takes place along Iber, then Presevo Valley should go to Kosovo and the game must be closed once and forever

Nicholas Thompson

pre 17 godina

This is not really surprising. The Serbs are just becoming realists. And partition is a perfectly acceptable solution which makes sense. As Kosovo is essentially lost from Belgrades authority, so is Northern Kosovo gone from Pristina's authority. The Albanians should just thank their stars that they got a aprtially independent Kosovo and the Serbs can have their part which would remain a part of Serbia. Unfortunately, all the talk of violence appears to be coming from the Albanians. The West should deal with this threat to peace in exactly the same way they dealt with Serbian military attacks in Kosovo. With resolve and overwhelming military force.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

it´s you who should wake up, ahmet...

first of all, this is a g.soros-financed site and knowing that, you should understand why there are articles like this one presented here... from the serbian standpoint, there is no need for partition.

there is no need for any kind of
partition of serbian soil.

there is more a need for learning about history, the rule of law and tolerance among the K-albanians.

but, I think Albanians will only wake up from their illusions when the US tell them to do so...
Albanians alone are not capable of doing that.

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe

pre 17 godina

Dear Friends
-Do you think that Serbia has right to hang-on the fate of 2 million people living at their place in Kosovo since milliners?
When is the question of the territories - It belongs to peoples that live there. Serbia has occupied Kosovo after 1st WW. Didn't know to manage and treat the people of Kosovo in the civilized and human way. It’s already been one century. How many victims has fall at this colony?
So dear Serbian peoples open your eyes and think on the intellectual way.
-Do you agree that Serbia has right to keep in hostage the stability of the Balkans and Europe even after the war that causes the death of hundred thousand innocent peoples in the former Yugoslavia.
-You don't think that is enough? You don't think that the peoples of Serbia are sick of being considered like criminals, killers etc...
-Why you don't give a chance to peace and reconciliation by accepting the Kosova peoples as ordinary people trying to live an ordinary life at their place with their neighbors.
-Why the Serbian government has no plan for Kosovo, and just rejects the existing plan?

I'm afraid that when the people of Serbia understand who is playing with their fate, it will be too late to repair the damages. Once it was with Milosevic and now with Kostunica. Is the same politic just another farce?
-Why Serbian government didn't consider seriously the independence of Kosovo?
-Why didn’t explain to their peoples the reason of that possibility of independence?
-Do the Kosova Albanians position was unknown?
-Did the government of Serbia offered any other real solution so satisfy the Kosova Albanians to abandon the option of independence?

There are lots of mistakes of the Serbian government that bring them to this unlikely position in the face of their electors.

How do they suppose to keep Kosovo? With what? No diplomacy, no plan, no international support, no money?

The only card that Serbian government is playing is the UN chart of the territory sovereignty and paying with mythology and other lullabies.
This is not enough because:
-Everybody knows how Serbia brings Kosovo within the borders.
-Everybody knows what Serbian government did in Kosovo.
-Everybody knows that Serbia manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosovo and their apartheid role in Kosovo before 1999.
-Everybody knows that Serbia is seeking for Kosovo only about the natural resources.
-Everybody knows that Serbia want to destabilize Kosovo.

The Game is over.
All that Serbia has to do (If want to keep the head up and save the face) is to recognize the crimes against Albanians and accept their right for independence, to bring the criminals to the justice, to build good relations with the new state of Kosova.
This will be the best way also to protect the Serbian minority in Kosovo and the cultural and religious richest in that place.
I know that this won’t happen. Maybe I'm just a dreamer. I know the mentality of Balkan peoples...

It’s just to give a chance to long-term peace in the region.

Best regards
albanianlegend@hotmail.com

Jovan

pre 17 godina

genc, ...it will be closed once and forever, ...with broad autonomy.
all you need to have is patience, and you will see it.
and afterwards Albanians will sell it like they have "won" against the "bad Serbs"...

lowe

pre 17 godina

My take is this: there will be partition - the question is whether it will be de jure or initially de facto.

Mel from Brussels - Capital of Europe,

You seemed to be pasting your same long comments in different parts of B92.

George

pre 17 godina

I agree with Mr. Nicholas Thompson. Partition is the only compromise which will work at the grassroots level. I am currently in Northern Kosovo and, to be honest, the separation line between South and North of Mitrovica (or Mitrovice, the Albanian version) looks more real than many borders in the Balkan region (much alike the Cyprus one, I've seen it too). Just walk ten meters away North of the main bridge over Ibar/Iber and you'll see the differences - Dinar vs. Euro, Cyrillic vs. Latin writing, churches vs. mosques (sadly, the last Orthodox church in South Mitrovica was destroyed in March 2004) etc. Not to mention that the dividing line is heavily guarded by KFOR troops. In my opinion, if Albanians and Serbs cannot live together (and doesn't want that, it seems) than in order to preserve the peace they should live separated. North Kosovo is anyway out of Pristina control since 1999, and I honestly see no way K/Albanians could take over the area - maybe only through open war, following the Milosevic model... But this may be easily prevented by KFOR - and I would like to emphasize that KFOR doesn't mean only US troops. Albanians are in for a big disappointment if they believe US or any troops from KFOR will go the extra mile to help them control all Kosovo regardless the will of compact Serb community living North of Ibar. This was prevented already in 1999 – it is a public secret that back then KFOR stooped UCK fighters South of Ibar in order to prevent to total expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo, namely "ethnic cleansing" of the province. The KFOR duty and mandate is to prevent bloodshed, not to act as “policeman” on behalf of Pristina...

Walter

pre 17 godina

Informed people know about violation of international law by NATO nations. Every treaty signed by Yugoslavia with the international community starting with the Versailles Treaties, treaties on the creation of the United Nations and post WWII treaties which include the Helsinki Accord on borders have been violated by NATO nations and now they want to violate UN Resolution 1244 which protects national sovereignty of nations. With a history of violations of international law by US and NATO, the injustices, the lies, and the harm caused by these actions B92 and others continue to genuflect at the feet of Mammon. B92 by omission of balanced reporting tend to elicit support for this 'humanitarian' intervention, or partition justifying theft of Serbian territory and enslavement of the Serbian working class. B92 which is in the pocket of Soros and NATO, like the Albanians who post here distort history. They support those who speak of international law, who are signatories of treaties, on one hand, and than they support them when those same signatories break international law in order to enforce it. Events in Yugoslavia have been most thoroughly misrepresented in the corporate media including B92 and by political commentators and activists who are lazy to search for the truth. B92 genuflects to the dominant ideology and refuse to speak out against those who break the law in order to enforce it. B92 by offering this forum feel that they have done their job to promote debate, however most of those who write here debate only the topics B92 chooses to print. There is a wider issue here than partition of Kosovo. The issue is who is pushing for this partition, and whose interest does this serve. The events that took place in Yugoslavia, I am certain do not serve the interest of the common people be they Serb or Albanian. My message to the common people in Serbian who are being manipulated be you Serb or Albanian comes from the English poet Shelly
'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

Ahmet Isufi

pre 17 godina

ddc, who ever you are,the reason i use word GOD is very simple becasue I beleive in GOD.For us Albanians religioin was never an issue, because we are of different religious beleivs and never have any problems in that regard. serbs have a problem because they use religioin as an excuse at all times, andc their religious leaders gave blesings to serb soldiers before they went in rampage and murdered inocent people. We have all seen that on TV screens, I personaly have seen it on ABC,NBC,CBS, CNN, FOX News etc... when orthodox priests did that and the next day masacres took place in Croatia and Bosnia, than continued in Kosova. Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that.

Alan

pre 17 godina

Here what one of most influential woman of the 20 century Margaret Thatcher “Iron lady” said about Kosovo
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=108381
It would be both cruel and stupid to expect the Albanian Kosovars now to return to live under any form of Serbian rule. Kosovo must be given independence, initially under international protection. And there must be no partition, a plan that predictable siren voices are already advancing. Partition would only serve to reward violence and ethnic cleansing. It would be to concede defeat. And I am unmoved by Serb pleas to retain their grasp on most of Kosovo because it contains their holy places. Coming from those who systematically leveled Catholic churches and Muslim mosques wherever they went, such an argument is cynical almost to the point of blasphemy.

genc

pre 17 godina

Jovan, "broad autonomy" was over in 1989. History doesn't repeat twice in the same form. Or, it will be definitively over with Serbia and Kosovo joining the EU.

Dinah

pre 17 godina

Unfortunately, the author has forgotton to mention the 200 armend Serbian policemen who are currently in Northern Mitrovia - registered as students or as workers for the hospital there. Among them there are highly persitioned persons from the Serbian military. Additionally, 38 other Serbian military are now in the area of Gjilan. Is this the Serbian way of peace?

Zoran

pre 17 godina

Walter: Whoever you are, thank God for people like you! Your intelligent truth & justice based comments are a breath of fresh air! I just wish people of your caliber would run our (US) government, maybe then we could return to our rightful place as a benevolent peace-keeper instead of a menevolent war monger. I think partition is better then losing everything, but Serbia should not have to lose anything! Please stop quoting Margaret Thatcher! She is known to be anti-Serb & a war monger herself (Falklands 1982).

S. Harris

pre 17 godina

Partitioning Kosovo and Metohija can only lead to continued ethnic tension between citizens living in the Serbian province and to continued violence.
Building brick walls does not create love and harmony as some seem to think!
Wide autonomy for the Albanians living in the Serbian province is the best outcome that will give multi-ethnicity a chance.
There does not need to be a land change there needs to be a "mind change".

Walter

pre 17 godina

Ahmet writes “Shame on you and your religious leaders that did just that”, however Ahmet forgets that his religion enslaves 50% of his population and he tell us God (Allah) is on his side. His God commands him to have 50% of his population dressed as bee keepers and he call this Allah’s will. Allah promises Ahmet 72 virgins in heaven if he sacrifices his life for jihad. Ahmet writes and I think he is referring to the Serbs “that GOD will have mercy and help them out to come out of the bad dream and deep sleep”. Ahmet your society has been asleep for 2000 years. It’s the 21st century man; slavery has been outlawed for 200 years everywhere except in Muslim nations so wake up.

Walter

pre 17 godina

You write “B92 is not responsible for the contents of the published comments. Opinions expressed in the comments are the private opinions of their authors and do not represent the opinions of the B92 news staff.” This disclaimer is garbage since you censor reader’s comments that you solicit. By omitting sections from my comment you make the comment your own. I made some points which are true at least in the society here in Canada which you chose not to print. Muslims are promised 72 virgins in heaven if they do the work of Allah. This is just pandering to the male ego since those who seek this need a sex therapist to help them with their sexual inadequacy. On the other hand what did you find offensive in my comment that “Virginity is like politics. When one refuses to see their political ideology as others see it this is like sex with a virgin-- one dimensional and Ahmets of the world say its God’s will while the virgin remains ignorant” If you don’t see yourself as others see you how can you understand why others disagree with you or how can a virgin know love when she has never experienced it before? What exactly is offensive in the following comment “Yes Ahmet Kosovo is a cradle of Serbian culture where priests marry, they don’t bugger children like Catholics do, they don’t circumcise women like Muslims do, they don’t dress their women in bee keeper outfits and force them to walk ten steps behind them, that is the culture that your women want but you Ahmet are afraid of that since you are afraid that your wife will see you as just another man no better nor worse than your neighbor.” It is a well documented fact that Catholic priests have sodomized thousands of children. In Canada these pedophiles, to use only one example, have destroyed a generation of children in native Residential Schools and it is only now that our society is dealing with this tragedy. What exactly is incorrect about my comment about female circumcision that Muslims perform on millions of young girls around the world and in many cases using rusty razor blades? It is this clan mentality that is predominant in Albania and much of Kosovo. In Iran women who refuse to wear a full body cover, what I choose to call bee keeper’s outfit” will be sent to camps for re-education. Since I am a hobbyist bee keeper I have worn a bee keeper’s outfit on a hot day and if I was forced to wear it every day I would consider this as torture. By omitting my comments in order not to offend those who refuse to see themselves as others see them you make my comment yours. If you can show that I was vulgar or incorrect I can accept you redacting my comments but not when you wish to be politically correct. You are playing the same game that US played at Milosevic’s trial when they redacted sections of documents and then used the censor documents as evidence.

Lirim

pre 17 godina

Walter first when u make a coment for a nation u have to know the history of that same nation.you have no idea for the history of Albanians you think that Albanians came in europe from midle-east .you forgat that we lived there for 2000 years. you forgot that we were the ones who civilised and culturised the balcans way before the serbs came from rusia.we were the people that saved europe from otoman empire and everybody knows that in europe .you know that albanians are never known to ocupied any country .you know that we never been the agresors to anybody but we sufer for centuries from others and if u think that one coment represent the whole nation u are again wrongue we gave world so much to thik that we are a nation that lived there for thousends of years u can look in any history book .finaly Albanians belive in 3 religions and we have never had problems because of that culture ,we gave world the best of albanian nation to care for the victimes of poverty that ur ancestors left all over the world mother Teresa