“Serbs, Albanians should meet behind closed doors”

Even prominante US experts admit that Ahtisaari talks were lacking;

“They were often held only once a month, as the two sides rarely had any opportunity to hold genuine bilateral talks,”

If this is now evident even to US experts I guess it should be clear to the ethnic-Albanian leadership and fellow commentators that such a unilateral action being forced upon the UN SC by the US & UK will not work!!!

Serbia is ready for real talks, negotiations and full dialogue - threats of violence will not nor should not be rewarded irrespective if the threat of Violence and war has the backing of a superpower it is still ILLEGAL!!!

Is it not time that the ethnic-Albanians realised the future is through finding alternatives to violence - surely it is better to talks and find a real and lasting solution then to threaten violence and illegal declarations that the US can only recognise by ignoring the UN Resolution that they themselves formulated. If they did this ILLEGAL act then it will have lost all international credibility regarding International law - another sign that the US is out of control!!!

If anyone thinks that any albanian politician will ever agree to what Koshtunica (a Milosevic wannabe) wants, then they are either naive, ignorant, or just trying to be disruptive.

Some people still don't seem to understand that albanians will never ever accept anything less than independence. Thats not a threat, its a fact.

Something else could be imposed, however they will never accept it. And if you think that by force you could impose a solution on albanians well then.. we all know what happened when Milosevic tried to do that.

Nikshala,

no need to threaten violence - surely it is the best interest of ALL that a real and mutual solution is found - do you not see that this is in the best interest for all ???

I believe the majority of people are more concerned with a real job and prosperous future then actual status if asked!!!

Surely that must be the overriding objective and threats of violence are just the wrong way forward - certainly Serbia is not suggesting any of the sort - in any case NATO are in place and if they are short then they need to boost their numbers!

Is it not time that all concerned had real and substantive talks to resolve this so that win-win does come about without imposition by any party - that is the true and only objective that should be set for real negotiations!!!

Negotiations - "a process whereby 2 or more parties voluntarily discuss their differences and attempt to reach a JOINT decision on their common concerns"

Imposed solutions based on power cannot last and they tend to corrupt the whole society. Ask yourself if real talks on finding a just and mutual solution is not given the chance it and all the people deserve then at what cost to the future????

It is clear as as being able to see the Sun and the Moon on a clear day that this plan of Ahtisaari is contrieved to fail just as Rambouilet was!

Surely all the peopels deserve a better future that only a mutual solution can bring - win-win!

This is just a opinion of an person , it does not have to mean the meeting will take place. He just thinks that way.Pople can even think that Serbia is still rulin in KS, but it does not have to mean that way.

The Albanian leadership are in a tight corner with no room to manouevre at all. They have all spent the last 17 years making really big promises to the Kosovo Albanians. They have lead them down a path of war and economic collapse with the guarantee of independence at the end. However, independence is not theirs to give and the K.Albanian leadership are completely reliant on others to make this happen for them.

If the K.Albanians had been told in 1990 that their future would be decided by Ghana's swing vote they may not have followed Ceku, Rugova, et al down this uncertain path.

The ordinary people of Kosovo have given up so much (several thousand lives and the wealth of an entire generation) that their leaders must produce a result, OR else!

For these reasons no K.Albanian leader can ever negotiate anything less than independence, it would not be political suicide it would be ACtual suicide.

There are plenty of people like Albin Kurti waiting in the wings for their chance to seize power.

This is the real reason Ahtisaari wants an imposed solution soon. The violence the West fears is a power struggle in the K.Albanian leadership. Factional fighting among the Albanians would easily spread past Kosovos borders to Macedonia, Presevo, Montenegro and into Albania.

They won't admit this of course, they will blame any failed solutions on Serbia and Russia.

Negotiations are OVER. By end of May or early June independence will be declared with or without resolution.
USA, UK, Germany, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, all islamic countries in the world and many of the neighboring countries will recognize Kosova' s independence.
By end of the year most of the eu countries including Spain excluding Slovakia (we wont ask them to recognize our independence, their are insignificant).
I pray to good UN Russia uses its veto and Ahtisaari' plan doesn’t get approved.

laki you and Nikshala are thinkning as Nationialist yourselves. Always bringing up the word "Force". Force was used to convince Serbia to withdraw forces from Kosovo under a agreement with UN. Now remember Force can be used both ways, just because NATO used it before does not mean the Albanian cannot get a taste of Force as well. Force will be meet with Force. So Nik if you and Laki always talk about force a solution can be forced upon both parties and neither will like the results so instead of all or nothing that is what you might end up with is nothing. The UN changes the ways like the winds of Shar mountains. Remember that.

Laki,

no one in the EU will recognise unless of course they wish to have total disunity in EU forgein policy - Germany having the EU presidency would not want to have this occur and be remined of the last disater that occured when there was disunity - 1991 and all the internal turmoil this will bring to a disunified 27 who need unity especially now when they have to resolve the consitution issue.

Beyond that the US will lose all credibility if they went against a UN resolution (1244) that they signed by recognising an ILLEGAL declaration which by the way will be immediatly have UNMIK having to refute since they are still obliged by 1244 to ensure it is implemented and such a declaration will be violent against the UNMIK insitution!!!

I really doubt the ethnic-Albanian leadership have thought this through let alone will do it!!!

At which point real talks can begin to ensure a real solution that all deserve.

Princip

I am not making threats.

All i am saying that albaians will never accept to remain within Serbia, even symbolicaly.

Thats a fact that will never change. And as far as your comment that, average albanians are not as concerend about the status. Well you 100% wrong.

I am sure I have met thousands of times more albanians in Kosovo than you, who has propably never even been there! I know how they feel, I am one.

This is a simple fact that you can't seem to understand.

The only way Kosovo will remain within Seriba is by force and violence. And I am sure if albanians are attacked because they oppose to remain within serbia, than they have the right to defend themselves, just like anyone else.

Pre 1999 albanians would have accepted some kind of autonomy solution, however after what the serbs military did, its too late now. Time for negotiations is over.

Especially now that we have tasted freedom in the last 8 years, our resolve to get independent from Serbia is much higher than it was in before 1999.

Laki, a unilateral declaration of independence is the LAST thing you would want. I know you want to rage against the machine if you don't get your way, cover your eyes and ears to an impending reality, stick your middle finger up at the world and declare independence with the hope of countries one by one recognizing you.

Here's the reality on the ground: if you unilaterally decalre independence you'll probably be recognized by the US and the UK, which will effectively make you a colony. I'm not interested in a portion of my hard-earned tax dollars going to support some illegally declared parastate in the Balkans. The other countries you mentioned in Europe will not recognize it either - when have you ever seen Europe have the backbone to do anything without a UN approval. They want nothing to do with Iraq, so what makes you think the most anal retentive governments in the world will break international law and recognize a self-declared state when no one recognizes Turkish Cyprus or Taiwan? You may have some "Islamic" countries recognize you as you say, but don't you Albanians want nothing to do with "Islam"? Without international support, you'll be at the mercy of Saudi "charities" which means you can be certain to find Saudi mosques and madrassas dotting the Pristina landscape. Do you want Muslim "foreign fighters" coming into your land? Kosovo would be just another impoverished villayet caught in some ideologial tug-of-war between Washington and Riyadh. Americans are getting tired of playing colonist in Baghdad, and we won't warm up to owning Pristina either.

Again, your best bet is international sanctioned solution and that's why all the negotiations and wheelings and dealings are going on now.

I see some people here are wasting there time with such useless comments.Some of of them say we will win and others no we will because we have this country and this country supporting us.This to me looks more like a kids game.I am an albanian from Kosova one of those hundread thousands who suffered from the serbian regime.Thanks god Kosova is becoming independent soon and we wont suffer from the same regime anymore.In 1997 when I started my studies in Prishtina, I was stopped by some serb policemen and I had some money with me to buy daily things, they took that money from me, they beat me only that I was albanian.In 1998 my father was killed and massacred by serbian paramilitary forces just in front of my house, and my house was burned and robbed by the same people.At my moms family 7 girls had been raped and killed by serb soldiers.I have seen even kids masacred by them.Can somebody explain this "If you were in my position would you accept to live under the same regime again"?.I will appreciate an answer and if you need facts then I'll send you them.

"All i am saying that albaians will never accept to remain within Serbia, even symbolicaly."

well, nikshala, then you are talking of the Albanians going back to Albania??? if so, you are just a dreamer. K-albanians are invited to live in a democratic and prosperous Serbia. it´s their own choice if they want to leave, they are free to do so.

let´s be serous: those childish comments don´t serve any purpose. come to the ground.

Jovan

"well, nikshala, then you are talking of the Albanians going back to Albania???" - You would like that wouldn't you?

Dear Princip, Jovan, JHam,...
I'm very impressed how generous you are with your offer now to K-Albanians to live in Democratic Serbia... Where was your democratic spirit during '80 and '90? Where is your sincerety here if you are still saying: 'if Albanians can not live in Serbia, they can go to Albania'??? Or may be you forgot that you declared as democrats?!
There is no democratic Serbia and it won't be for a long time. Same with Albanians... evocations and memories are so bad and deep and can not be erased only with some weak declarations about democracy in a country leaded by nationalists and radicals...
International community is more willing to hear and consider calls for freedom and peace instead of voice of guns and scream.
It's time for Kosovo people to live in freedom and peace not being affraid what next elections in Serbia will bring to them - contempt, apartheid, killings, masacres, expatration or abidance. And finally, there won't be abidance any more...
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

Jovan,
Childish comments are your speciality. "Democratic and prosperous" Serbia? When? In 100 years?

“"If you were in my position would you accept to live under the same regime again"?.I will appreciate an answer and if you need facts then I'll send you them.
(kiwi, Saturday, 21 April, 2007, 05:03)”

Kiwi, please accept my apologies for all that you and those you know suffered. No one should have to live in fear for their safety.

My family are from Krajina and after WWII and Operation Storm I can assure you its very frightening for those in my family who have returned to Krajina. We can only hope that the future is brighter then the past.

In Kosovo, it seems to me neither side has a positive record of respecting human rights. It seems to me that partition would ensure the best possible chance for both our populations to feel safe in Kosovo. An agreement between our two people might have the possibility of including Presevo. So why not discuss it?

Regardless, I actually would be interested in hearing your side of what happened in Kosovo. As a Serbian American I am interested in hearing the real truth from an Albanian and not just what I’ve seen in our media.

I can be reached at lazslow@hotmail.com

Even prominante US experts admit that Ahtisaari talks were lacking;

“They were often held only once a month, as the two sides rarely had any opportunity to hold genuine bilateral talks,”

If this is now evident even to US experts I guess it should be clear to the ethnic-Albanian leadership and fellow commentators that such a unilateral action being forced upon the UN SC by the US & UK will not work!!!

Serbia is ready for real talks, negotiations and full dialogue - threats of violence will not nor should not be rewarded irrespective if the threat of Violence and war has the backing of a superpower it is still ILLEGAL!!!

Is it not time that the ethnic-Albanians realised the future is through finding alternatives to violence - surely it is better to talks and find a real and lasting solution then to threaten violence and illegal declarations that the US can only recognise by ignoring the UN Resolution that they themselves formulated. If they did this ILLEGAL act then it will have lost all international credibility regarding International law - another sign that the US is out of control!!!

If anyone thinks that any albanian politician will ever agree to what Koshtunica (a Milosevic wannabe) wants, then they are either naive, ignorant, or just trying to be disruptive.

Some people still don't seem to understand that albanians will never ever accept anything less than independence. Thats not a threat, its a fact.

Something else could be imposed, however they will never accept it. And if you think that by force you could impose a solution on albanians well then.. we all know what happened when Milosevic tried to do that.

Nikshala,

no need to threaten violence - surely it is the best interest of ALL that a real and mutual solution is found - do you not see that this is in the best interest for all ???

I believe the majority of people are more concerned with a real job and prosperous future then actual status if asked!!!

Surely that must be the overriding objective and threats of violence are just the wrong way forward - certainly Serbia is not suggesting any of the sort - in any case NATO are in place and if they are short then they need to boost their numbers!

Is it not time that all concerned had real and substantive talks to resolve this so that win-win does come about without imposition by any party - that is the true and only objective that should be set for real negotiations!!!

Negotiations - "a process whereby 2 or more parties voluntarily discuss their differences and attempt to reach a JOINT decision on their common concerns"

Imposed solutions based on power cannot last and they tend to corrupt the whole society. Ask yourself if real talks on finding a just and mutual solution is not given the chance it and all the people deserve then at what cost to the future????

It is clear as as being able to see the Sun and the Moon on a clear day that this plan of Ahtisaari is contrieved to fail just as Rambouilet was!

Surely all the peopels deserve a better future that only a mutual solution can bring - win-win!

This is just a opinion of an person , it does not have to mean the meeting will take place. He just thinks that way.Pople can even think that Serbia is still rulin in KS, but it does not have to mean that way.

The Albanian leadership are in a tight corner with no room to manouevre at all. They have all spent the last 17 years making really big promises to the Kosovo Albanians. They have lead them down a path of war and economic collapse with the guarantee of independence at the end. However, independence is not theirs to give and the K.Albanian leadership are completely reliant on others to make this happen for them.

If the K.Albanians had been told in 1990 that their future would be decided by Ghana's swing vote they may not have followed Ceku, Rugova, et al down this uncertain path.

The ordinary people of Kosovo have given up so much (several thousand lives and the wealth of an entire generation) that their leaders must produce a result, OR else!

For these reasons no K.Albanian leader can ever negotiate anything less than independence, it would not be political suicide it would be ACtual suicide.

There are plenty of people like Albin Kurti waiting in the wings for their chance to seize power.

This is the real reason Ahtisaari wants an imposed solution soon. The violence the West fears is a power struggle in the K.Albanian leadership. Factional fighting among the Albanians would easily spread past Kosovos borders to Macedonia, Presevo, Montenegro and into Albania.

They won't admit this of course, they will blame any failed solutions on Serbia and Russia.

Negotiations are OVER. By end of May or early June independence will be declared with or without resolution.
USA, UK, Germany, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, all islamic countries in the world and many of the neighboring countries will recognize Kosova' s independence.
By end of the year most of the eu countries including Spain excluding Slovakia (we wont ask them to recognize our independence, their are insignificant).
I pray to good UN Russia uses its veto and Ahtisaari' plan doesn’t get approved.

laki you and Nikshala are thinkning as Nationialist yourselves. Always bringing up the word "Force". Force was used to convince Serbia to withdraw forces from Kosovo under a agreement with UN. Now remember Force can be used both ways, just because NATO used it before does not mean the Albanian cannot get a taste of Force as well. Force will be meet with Force. So Nik if you and Laki always talk about force a solution can be forced upon both parties and neither will like the results so instead of all or nothing that is what you might end up with is nothing. The UN changes the ways like the winds of Shar mountains. Remember that.

Laki,

no one in the EU will recognise unless of course they wish to have total disunity in EU forgein policy - Germany having the EU presidency would not want to have this occur and be remined of the last disater that occured when there was disunity - 1991 and all the internal turmoil this will bring to a disunified 27 who need unity especially now when they have to resolve the consitution issue.

Beyond that the US will lose all credibility if they went against a UN resolution (1244) that they signed by recognising an ILLEGAL declaration which by the way will be immediatly have UNMIK having to refute since they are still obliged by 1244 to ensure it is implemented and such a declaration will be violent against the UNMIK insitution!!!

I really doubt the ethnic-Albanian leadership have thought this through let alone will do it!!!

At which point real talks can begin to ensure a real solution that all deserve.

Princip

I am not making threats.

All i am saying that albaians will never accept to remain within Serbia, even symbolicaly.

Thats a fact that will never change. And as far as your comment that, average albanians are not as concerend about the status. Well you 100% wrong.

I am sure I have met thousands of times more albanians in Kosovo than you, who has propably never even been there! I know how they feel, I am one.

This is a simple fact that you can't seem to understand.

The only way Kosovo will remain within Seriba is by force and violence. And I am sure if albanians are attacked because they oppose to remain within serbia, than they have the right to defend themselves, just like anyone else.

Pre 1999 albanians would have accepted some kind of autonomy solution, however after what the serbs military did, its too late now. Time for negotiations is over.

Especially now that we have tasted freedom in the last 8 years, our resolve to get independent from Serbia is much higher than it was in before 1999.

Laki, a unilateral declaration of independence is the LAST thing you would want. I know you want to rage against the machine if you don't get your way, cover your eyes and ears to an impending reality, stick your middle finger up at the world and declare independence with the hope of countries one by one recognizing you.

Here's the reality on the ground: if you unilaterally decalre independence you'll probably be recognized by the US and the UK, which will effectively make you a colony. I'm not interested in a portion of my hard-earned tax dollars going to support some illegally declared parastate in the Balkans. The other countries you mentioned in Europe will not recognize it either - when have you ever seen Europe have the backbone to do anything without a UN approval. They want nothing to do with Iraq, so what makes you think the most anal retentive governments in the world will break international law and recognize a self-declared state when no one recognizes Turkish Cyprus or Taiwan? You may have some "Islamic" countries recognize you as you say, but don't you Albanians want nothing to do with "Islam"? Without international support, you'll be at the mercy of Saudi "charities" which means you can be certain to find Saudi mosques and madrassas dotting the Pristina landscape. Do you want Muslim "foreign fighters" coming into your land? Kosovo would be just another impoverished villayet caught in some ideologial tug-of-war between Washington and Riyadh. Americans are getting tired of playing colonist in Baghdad, and we won't warm up to owning Pristina either.

Again, your best bet is international sanctioned solution and that's why all the negotiations and wheelings and dealings are going on now.

I see some people here are wasting there time with such useless comments.Some of of them say we will win and others no we will because we have this country and this country supporting us.This to me looks more like a kids game.I am an albanian from Kosova one of those hundread thousands who suffered from the serbian regime.Thanks god Kosova is becoming independent soon and we wont suffer from the same regime anymore.In 1997 when I started my studies in Prishtina, I was stopped by some serb policemen and I had some money with me to buy daily things, they took that money from me, they beat me only that I was albanian.In 1998 my father was killed and massacred by serbian paramilitary forces just in front of my house, and my house was burned and robbed by the same people.At my moms family 7 girls had been raped and killed by serb soldiers.I have seen even kids masacred by them.Can somebody explain this "If you were in my position would you accept to live under the same regime again"?.I will appreciate an answer and if you need facts then I'll send you them.

"All i am saying that albaians will never accept to remain within Serbia, even symbolicaly."

well, nikshala, then you are talking of the Albanians going back to Albania??? if so, you are just a dreamer. K-albanians are invited to live in a democratic and prosperous Serbia. it´s their own choice if they want to leave, they are free to do so.

let´s be serous: those childish comments don´t serve any purpose. come to the ground.

Jovan

"well, nikshala, then you are talking of the Albanians going back to Albania???" - You would like that wouldn't you?

Dear Princip, Jovan, JHam,...
I'm very impressed how generous you are with your offer now to K-Albanians to live in Democratic Serbia... Where was your democratic spirit during '80 and '90? Where is your sincerety here if you are still saying: 'if Albanians can not live in Serbia, they can go to Albania'??? Or may be you forgot that you declared as democrats?!
There is no democratic Serbia and it won't be for a long time. Same with Albanians... evocations and memories are so bad and deep and can not be erased only with some weak declarations about democracy in a country leaded by nationalists and radicals...
International community is more willing to hear and consider calls for freedom and peace instead of voice of guns and scream.
It's time for Kosovo people to live in freedom and peace not being affraid what next elections in Serbia will bring to them - contempt, apartheid, killings, masacres, expatration or abidance. And finally, there won't be abidance any more...
Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

Jovan,
Childish comments are your speciality. "Democratic and prosperous" Serbia? When? In 100 years?

“"If you were in my position would you accept to live under the same regime again"?.I will appreciate an answer and if you need facts then I'll send you them.
(kiwi, Saturday, 21 April, 2007, 05:03)”

Kiwi, please accept my apologies for all that you and those you know suffered. No one should have to live in fear for their safety.

My family are from Krajina and after WWII and Operation Storm I can assure you its very frightening for those in my family who have returned to Krajina. We can only hope that the future is brighter then the past.

In Kosovo, it seems to me neither side has a positive record of respecting human rights. It seems to me that partition would ensure the best possible chance for both our populations to feel safe in Kosovo. An agreement between our two people might have the possibility of including Presevo. So why not discuss it?

Regardless, I actually would be interested in hearing your side of what happened in Kosovo. As a Serbian American I am interested in hearing the real truth from an Albanian and not just what I’ve seen in our media.

I can be reached at lazslow@hotmail.com