Afrim, you have only chosen to loosely defend your position on SOME of my points. Regardless, did you know that this "fair" global media which you turn to for unbiased coverage is almost completely under the control of 9 giant firms (Time Warner, Disney, Viacom...etc.) Furthermore, these companies control other aspects of media such as book publishing, cable channel ownership, magazine publishing, etc.
Now, if you read anything from these sources, you know you are usually reading the side of the story that these corporate elite want you to read. Given the new world order, or globalist expansion, countries like Serbia who wanted to avoid getting involved in the recent political and economic trends that were pushed into this part of europe following communism, it became the most profitable scenario for all corporations (who basically run the world) to deal with a balkans comprised of small mini-states who could be more easily coaxed into fattening the pockets of the elites, while at the same time providing both a reason to keep NATO around after the fall of the USSR and an excuse to set up military bases in the balkans.
Human injustice was carried out equally by all parties involved, and this is nothing new in the balkans. However, the wars there recently were not fought on the basis of humanitarianism, but rather, this was just a good excuse to pursue national interests in the balkans by any means. We need only look to Darfur to see humanitarian catastrophes of huge proportions which dwarf anything that happened in Kosovo, however, this region was not as crucial in pursuing the global plan, so much much less attention and aide was given to it.
Your point about the "KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations" was quite the fabrication.
In fact, "Bin Laden's role has not just been as a practitioner of terrorist acts but as a trainer and supplier of terrorist organizations around the world. Included in bin Laden's coterie are terrorist groups linked to the Balkans, Albania, the KLA (a U.S. ally), and rebel groups leading the insurrection against Russia in Chechnya."
Also, "The Golden Crescent drug trade was also being used to finance and equip the Bosnian Muslim Army (starting in the early 1990s) and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In the last few months there is evidence that Mujhideen mercenaries are fighting in the ranks of the KLA-NLA terrorists in their assaults into Macedonia"
here, read this:
There are countles sources which all point to these connections, and it seems as though the Albanian formula is; inhabit a portion of land formerly inhabited by Illyrians, get terrorist help in antagonizing the local government, then sell tons of drugs and forward the profits to the US government and media and hope it was enough money to buy an ally in the indepedence struggle.
Dear Mark, I understand your wish to prove your claims as being right, but i want to tell you straight and clear that KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations. The movement of the albanians against the Serb occupation of Kosova did not have any religious color at all. It was 100% nationalistic and due to the fact that the albanian people were tortured and discriminated in every aspect of life. You are saying that Serbia and Milosevic had no choice but to have business with countries like Lybia, Iraq and some others due to the fact that Serbia had Embargo. But remember that these countries had US and international embargoes too just like Serbia did for their terrorist actions agsinst innocent people, as for example Iraq against the SHia and kurdish populations. My friend, there was a reason why these countries such Iraq, Serbia,Lybia had sanctions. Another fact that KLA had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist groups is that in KLA there were also many christian fighters and how would you think that christians would fight for KLA if KLA was doing any cooperation with muslim organizations? Please just think of reality and you will get the answer. Even today, the speaker of the Kosova parliament is a christian so there is absolutely no way that the albanians in kosova fought for a religious cause but it was a pure fight for pure human rights that were highly abused by the serb-milosevic system. I am sorry that you fell a victim of the serb propaganda in this matter but hopefully with the time you will get to reality.
Now lets talk about the drug issues.
You are accusing that KLA had connections with drug trade but this is completely false also and it was the serb government who was in fact dealing with drugs and all kinds of types of money laundering. And i am not saying this just as a blank accusation but its proven by LIVE facts.
The biggest and fattest fact regarding this is that the Son and wife of Milosevic can not even go back to Serbia now because they are accused from the serb government for big time money laundering. So even the serb government is accusing them for this, so what else do i have to say?
Just few weeks ago if you remember, there was a big truck caught in the macedonian border that had thousands of tons of drugs and this deal was all orchestrated by someone that has HIGH POSITION in the serb government even today.
You also say that when KLA dispanded most of the soldiers joined the Kosovo police force and that these are the police who will take over the security from the international community and respect the remaining serbs in kosova.
So in the other side how do you expect that albanians should be put again back under the rule of serb police and paramilitary forces who killed more than 10.000 albanian people? The KLA is not accused from the international community for crimes against humanity and genocide while the whole complete political and military leaders of Serbia were sent to the Hague accused for crimes agsinst humanity, crimes that were so bad that could be compared to the crimes done in the middle ages. Please MARK think of reality... Try to search of the truth of what really happened in Balkans from Serbia-Milosevic.
None of the kosovar albanian parties have any kind of open propaganda against the serbs, while the biggest party of Serbia, The radical party has an open policy that asks that all albanians should be kicked out of Kosova and so on and so on and even its president Seselj is in prison accused of unimaginable crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
You also mention the so called "dangerous precedent". Look, no country in the world became independent by using an example of some other country as precedent. When East Timor became independent 5 years ago they didnt use the so called "precedence" argument.
Also, Kosova is not becoming independent by using any precedence from some other country before. Hundreds of countries became independent and none of them were used as precedence and only now Kosova will be used as precedence from others???? please get to reality.
Kosova is becoming independent due to the things that happened and are happening in Kosova not what are happening in East Timor or in Africa.
Kosova does not want to be isolated just like Serbia is being isolated due to the fact that the serb government is not cooperating with the International Community. Kosova wants to join the international bodies and cooperate, Kosova wants to join the EU while Serbia in one side says that it wants to join the EU but in the other side asks Russia for help and cooperates more with Russia and Iran and so on.
You also say that our neighbors like Greece,Romania, Slovakia and Hungary do not want to give us Independence. But let me remind you that none of these countries are closer to Kosova than Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Albania and even Montengegro and all of these countries are for Ahtisari's proposal which means Independence with the exception of Montenegro which does not realy want to get involved in this matter.
Imagine, Countries that one day were in one place In yougoslavia with both Serbia and Kosovo such Croatia, Macedonia, Slovenia today say that Kosova should be independent and all these countries are slavic people but they still say that Kosova should be independent because they know the evil ideas of people like Milosevic and now Kostunica.
Also, you say that Serbs had country before and after the ottoman empire in the balkans, but I just want to remind you that the Albanians were in the Balkans for thousands of years while the Serbs came from today's Russia and this is proven by the fact that today Serbia has hopes on the big brother called Russia.
You mention some orthodox churches that were destroyed but you forget to mention the hundreds of catholic churches and muslim mosques destroyed by Serbian paramilitary groups. kosova government is paying millions of dollars to rebuil the orthodox churches while Serbia didnt even apologize for the people that were killed in the name of Serbia.
You say that the albanians are only using propaganda while you indirectly claim that all what serbs are saying are true. For this I suggest you not to read albanian or serbian books but read INTERNATIONAL BOOKS written by English or American writers about Kosova and you will see the reality.
Read the book of Noel Malcolm Kosova-A short history.
If you want unbiased information about Kosova then read what the international writers have to say, dont read serbian or albanian books.
I hope that you will find the reality because i really feel sorry for you as you are clearly seen to be a victim of some propaganda that nobody believes anymore.
Thank you and wish you good luck in finding the true reality.
Sorry for the long post.
Thanks to the editor for having the will and the patience to deal with all of us.
Thanks.
“Kosovo can no longer stay within Serbia’s borders. Ethnic Albanians, which make up 90 percent of the population, simply don’t want the province to remain in Serbia,” Ahtisaari said in an interview with Ljubljana weekly Delo.
I think Martti is an idiot.
How can you say, if there a a higher population of Albanians in Kosovo that we Serbians need to just give it to them just becasue they have a high majority. Why doesn't the U.S. give New Mexico to the Mexicans? They have a high majority living in New Mexico then americans do. Mexicans shoud just ask for it since their kind have a higher majority, lets see what the U.S. says.
It’s interesting to see so many Serbian Radicals to talk about “Islamic jihad in Kosovo and Bosnia”, whitewashing completely the fact that many of the Atrocities of the 1990s Yugoslav Wars were condoned and approved by vast sects of the SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH.
The lot of propaganda and lies made many people believe in crappy stuff like “only the orthodox like the Serbs and the Russians are true and faithful Slavs”, “all catholics are Ustasha”, “all Muslims are Al-Qaeda”, etc.…
To Afrim I have several things to say. I appreciate your response and am always up for a healthy debate.
To begin, I believe you are thinking of something different when we talk about islamic fundamentalists, terrorists. I was merely raising the well established fact that such groups played an active role in carving up muslim states in europe, and indeed played a huge role in the Albanian independence movement by assisting the KLA. You, Afrim, were under the impression that I was referring to all islamic enemies of the United States, but in fact I was making references to Al-Qaeda and other terroristic funding sources from places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Indeed Milosevic did pursue diplomatic ties with the likes of Hussein and Ghadaffi, but this was attributable to the fact that intense embargos were placed on Serbia, which left few other countries to trade with other than the ones you mentioned...these nations had nothing in common with the serbs, except for Ghadaffi and Milosevic sharing a socialist history, and all three dictators having a common enemy at the time; the US. However, these rulers have all proven to be quite harmless to US interests, as the foiled Iraq War has been shown to be based on false ties between Hussein and international terrorism. Also, following 9/11 Gadaffi made one of the first and most firm denunciations of Al-Qaeda of any muslim leaders. He also opened Libya up for international inspections, which were declined by Clinton because it was known that they posed no threat to the US. Libya has also since proven to be quite cooperative in the fight against global terror. It was also laughable to hear you mention the small amount of Serbian weapons found in Iraq, when it is well know who put Hussein in power and supplied the majority of his weapons cache (the US).
This brings us back to the point about Kosovo. The KLA was proved to have connections with Al-Qaeda, as well as with international drug trade.
While Serbia has had diplomatic ties with some US enemies, it has never been shown to have any connection whatsoever to the harboring of international terrorism and drug trafficking. This is why most nearby countries (Greece, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia...etc.) are hesitant to give Kosovo independance. Did you know that over 70% of the heroin moving into western europe goes through Kosovo today!? This is the post-Milosevic era mind you, with the international community supervising just as they do in Afghanistan where the drugs are cultivated to begin with.
As an American, I have been exposed to the propaganda machine you call objective coverage, and have seen it in full motion during the balkan wars of the 90's. It surely doesn't hurt that kosovar Albanian lobbyists, wealthy from drug trade, have been well established in Washington, while the Serbs foolishly put all their eggs in the Russian basket. However, the truth is slowly emerging, as many terrorist cells have been popping up in Bosnia and Kosovo where they were assisted by their enemies in the West just last decade. At the time it was convenient to have a reason for keeping NATO in existence after the fall of communism, but our foolish mistakes in the balkans are already proving to have been far-reaching with new european bases for terrorists emerging from the breakup of Yugoslavia. These ties were not with Milosevic, but indeed with the Bosnian and Albanian independance movements.
That is what I was getting at when I said it would be hipocritical to grant Kosovo independance now, after allowing terrorists to gain a stronghold in the region, and at the same time claim to be fighting international terrorism.
Also, it is well know that when the KLA disbanded, most members joined the kosovo police force, and these are the same police expected to take over security from the international community one day, and respect the remaining serbs living in Kosovo? I highly doubt there will much if any ethnic tolerance once peacekeepers leave, as proportionally speaking, more serbs have been driven from their homes in Kosovo without being allowed to return than have Albanians. Also, the remaining Serbs have been terrorized daily, with Swedish peacekeepers recently admitting that the Serbs cannot even leave their homes without being escorted by soldiers even to buy bread. Other examples of localized terrorism against the remaiming Serbs has included violence against monks living in the hundreds of ancient Serbian monasteries that have been attacked or destroyed since '99, including the recent attack against the UNESCO world heritage site the Decani monastery. There has been a wholesale attempt at rewriting of the history of this contested region, and these historical pieces of evidence are the last obstacle in erasing the thousand-year old Serb presence in Kosovo. Albanians never had an independant country which included Kosovo, with exception to the Fascist puppet state created by Hitler in WW2. The Serbs have had an indepedant country including Kosovo before and after the Ottoman occupation of the balkans.
The violent history of Kosovo can be dicussed for days, but the simple fact is, the international community would set a dangerous precedent by awarding Kosovo independence. This is due to the fact that international law will have to be broken, and this would illegitimize the laws of the UN. Also, with terrorists salivating at the thought of an independent Kosovo, the international community must re-examine it's decade old one-sided policies regarding the balkans.
The Serbs have avoided forming a government and expediting their allegience to the EU because of the Kosovo quandry, and accepting the broadest possible autonomy within the borders of Serbia would be the best solution. Not only would that put Serbia on the fast track into the EU, but Kosovo along with it, with Albanians governing themselves and both sides coming to a mutual tolerance of eachother. After all, even an independent Kosovo borders much Serb territory, and all of the ethnicities in the Balkans must learn to cooperate with one another if they all intend to be partners in a unified europe.
Re-examine your own outdated propaganda Afrim and realize that the world is slowly begining to realize how dangerous it would be to grant independence to Kosovo. The recent trend of disagreement among EU member states about Ahtisari's one-sided proposal shows that it is an unacceptable solution to the Kosovo problem. Indeed this is not a compromise, as it does not answer any Serbian concerns other than giving hollow promises of safety for the remaining serbs, which has been non-existant for the past eight plus years under UN watch. The main reason the US and some other EU countries support the proposal is simple; they want an easy way out which will return the most profit on the Kosovo investment which has cost billions of dollars. Unfortunately, the most profitable and easy solution is rushing an important decision in favor of independance, and avoiding the costs of maintaining the stauts quo. Also, Albanian threats of violence have kept the UN on its heels. In fact, when one looks at how cooperative the Albanians have been with peacekeepers, it becomes clear that almost all attacks against UN soldiers have been carried by protesting or angry Albanians. Awarding such behavior is just foolish.
“Kosovo is a unique case and should be regarded as such, particularly given its HISTORY, REPRESSION under Slobodan Milošević’s rule, international intervention in 1999 and the administration established at the time that has remained ever since,” he underscored.
Haha TATIANA STOJKOVIC you make me laugh with your comments. Your chosen team of countries is a laughable one also. We the albanians are very happy to see that you got a team with North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq Iran etc...
Your comments actually show that you are the ones connected to terrorist islamic groups such the ones harbored in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thanks for accepting this reality that you are the ones connected to the muslim organizations not the albanians.
As for China and Russia, forget about it, they will abandon you just like in 1999.
China couldnt even do anything when her embassy was bombed, so forget about doing something now.
You with your laughable comments make me think that you are Sanda Raskovic-Ivic herself because she has been making some laughable comments too. Comments that are out of concept of time and reality.
MR AHTISARI is one of the best negotiators in the world. He is the one who helped get the deal in 1999 when Serbia lost the war against the albanians and NATO allies.
the old man is very tired. his unsuccessfull negotiating style is over. he should retire in the cold finnish soil. now the battle has begun. serbia's theme song>>>you and me against the world!!! russia china and others come along. venezuela north korea iran iraq afghanistan...
I would like to tell to MARK, that it wasnt the kosovar albanians that were connected with the so called islamic terrorist groups but it was the Serb government who was in fact with these islamic groups and some islamic dictators. It is a well known fact that Milosevic had broad connections with Saddam Hussein and Moamar Ghadaffi, the two most known arab dictators. Also, Milosevic rewarded Ghadaffi with Medal for being an enemy to the United States. During the last war in Iraq, there were a lot of serb officers fighting for Saddam husein. Also serb made weapons were found in Iraq. After Saddam Hussein found out that he has no chance of being found innocent in the Iraqi court, he sent his best lawyer to defend Vojislav Seselj in the Hague because Saddam Husein and Seselj were one of the best friends.
Israel already accepted Kosova as an independent country, so if we really had connectiones to islamic organizationes then they wouldnt really accept us. Also, the Jewish community and Lobby in USA is the greatest and the best ally of the Albanian lobby.
Dear Mark, your comments are completely based on propaganda that nobody buys anymore, except some hopeless people like Kostunica and his alikes.
I would suggest to you to live in the world of reality.
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There were too many places that became independent and no other country said that since that or this country became independent we have to be independent too. We the kosovar albanians are not saying that Since EAST TIMOR became independent we will be independent too but we want independence because we shouldnt be a colony of Serbia on the 21st Century, we suffered way too much from Serbia. The serb government didnt even apologize to the albanian people for all the sufferings caused so how do you expect us to accept to live under leaders like Kostunica? The serbs do not want to cooperate with the international community and because of that Serbia is still being isolated from joining the EU, so therefore we do not want to be isolated like Serbia just because serbs do not want to give up the criminals like Mladic and Karadzic. Kosova doesnt want to become a victim of such criminals but wants to join the EU and other international bodies. Serbia is still living in the world of myths, Kosova doesnt want to live in the world of myths but in the world of reality and prosperity.
I hope that the serbs understand that nobody wants to be a victim of isolation just because they feel like it.
Mr. Ahtisaari it is true that Albanians indeed make up 90% or so of the total population in K&M, but if they really and I mean really do not wish to live in Serbia they may pack there bags and leave. No one in Serbia is stopping them from going to Albania or wherever else they please.
With your mentality it only makes sense for Serbs in the B&H entity of RS to have the right to leave the federation as they makeup not 90% but 98% of the total population and would wish to succeed from B&H if only they were allowed...
Europe does not need another small country. The goal of the EU was to bring Europe together (doubt that..) not rip it apart.
It was the very same UN that created resolution 1244 that Serbia signed as well as your appointers...and it seems that you could not keep your end of the bargain....what gives?
I think you are rushing and you do not realize what problem will arise...I don't mean internationally I mean internally, Serbia (excluding K&M) would more or less remain stable, it is well established country and not lawless as the situation in K&M is.
I find it insulting that this "decision" from the "West" is more motivated by blackmail from Albanians threating violence if they don't get what they want then "self determination"...interesting what would the world think if they saw the very same people NATO protected from the "Evil" Serbs from giving Albanians the muzzle, when they kill,rape,steal,beat etc... the Serb population and even make trouble with the authorities governing the Albanian themselves? Shock and Awe...
I think the UN has been left to clean up the mess NATO left behind, even more the UN has lost all credibility to well...do anything really...
I think Ahtisaari will have a lot of trouble convincing the UN to take K&M away from Serbia, and I am very interested to see how you will try and pull this off.
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
All Albanians who live in Serbia want to seperate from Serbia I guess Ahtisaari also thinks Presevo should be independent. Just because Kosovo ALbanians want something doesn't mean they should get it. Serbs in Kosovo who live in Serbia do not want to be independent of Serbia.
Wow, ahtisaari is whining now. He has completely left the negotiation stages and is pulling everything out now. Serbia cannot join the EU if policy on Kosovo doesn't change? Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the EU go through a huge spectacle to ensure Serbia they did not have to trade Kosovo for EU and that was not the scenario? For whom is Ahtisaari speaking on behalf of? All he sounds like is someone desperate and throwing in their last few rambles that don't make sense and seem more of an outburst than anything serious. He is losing and he cannot control his downward spiral. That plan is dead and has lost its support. He will be removed from the negotiations and this will be his legacy and he knows it. A failure to a thing that he probably told his buddies was a "sure thing". Good bye Ahtisaari
Ahtisaari... I have every hope that Serbia will continue to defy this man. It is unimaginable that Ahtisaari will now threaten Serbia by withholding their EU membership. Coercion? What ever happened to Resolution 1244? Was that not the law that was to be implemented? Why is it that Albanians are the absolute majority now? I stated the FACTS before and my facts are for sure correct... the year:
2000 - 1,584,000- Albanians
2000 - 100,000 serbs foreced out
2007 - 2.6 million people approx 200,000 serbs. The Albanian population almost doubled. Clearly the after the 1999 bombings the Albanians took advantage of the situation. For a country that is 70% unemployed how could 6 BILLION EUROS have funneled through Kosovo in 2006? Oh thats right... it was money involving illeagal arms for the terrorist group KLA, human trafficing and drugs. Once again my facts are accurate. Not to take sides but if Kosovo recieves independence it will by by illeagal means and if this happens it will be a breeding ground of Islamic terrorists... Once again We the WEST will be responsible... Afghanistan anyone? We made that mistake in the 80's... terrible!
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
Ahtisaari... I have every hope that Serbia will continue to defy this man. It is unimaginable that Ahtisaari will now threaten Serbia by withholding their EU membership. Coercion? What ever happened to Resolution 1244? Was that not the law that was to be implemented? Why is it that Albanians are the absolute majority now? I stated the FACTS before and my facts are for sure correct... the year:
2000 - 1,584,000- Albanians
2000 - 100,000 serbs foreced out
2007 - 2.6 million people approx 200,000 serbs. The Albanian population almost doubled. Clearly the after the 1999 bombings the Albanians took advantage of the situation. For a country that is 70% unemployed how could 6 BILLION EUROS have funneled through Kosovo in 2006? Oh thats right... it was money involving illeagal arms for the terrorist group KLA, human trafficing and drugs. Once again my facts are accurate. Not to take sides but if Kosovo recieves independence it will by by illeagal means and if this happens it will be a breeding ground of Islamic terrorists... Once again We the WEST will be responsible... Afghanistan anyone? We made that mistake in the 80's... terrible!
Wow, ahtisaari is whining now. He has completely left the negotiation stages and is pulling everything out now. Serbia cannot join the EU if policy on Kosovo doesn't change? Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the EU go through a huge spectacle to ensure Serbia they did not have to trade Kosovo for EU and that was not the scenario? For whom is Ahtisaari speaking on behalf of? All he sounds like is someone desperate and throwing in their last few rambles that don't make sense and seem more of an outburst than anything serious. He is losing and he cannot control his downward spiral. That plan is dead and has lost its support. He will be removed from the negotiations and this will be his legacy and he knows it. A failure to a thing that he probably told his buddies was a "sure thing". Good bye Ahtisaari
All Albanians who live in Serbia want to seperate from Serbia I guess Ahtisaari also thinks Presevo should be independent. Just because Kosovo ALbanians want something doesn't mean they should get it. Serbs in Kosovo who live in Serbia do not want to be independent of Serbia.
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
Mr. Ahtisaari it is true that Albanians indeed make up 90% or so of the total population in K&M, but if they really and I mean really do not wish to live in Serbia they may pack there bags and leave. No one in Serbia is stopping them from going to Albania or wherever else they please.
With your mentality it only makes sense for Serbs in the B&H entity of RS to have the right to leave the federation as they makeup not 90% but 98% of the total population and would wish to succeed from B&H if only they were allowed...
Europe does not need another small country. The goal of the EU was to bring Europe together (doubt that..) not rip it apart.
It was the very same UN that created resolution 1244 that Serbia signed as well as your appointers...and it seems that you could not keep your end of the bargain....what gives?
I think you are rushing and you do not realize what problem will arise...I don't mean internationally I mean internally, Serbia (excluding K&M) would more or less remain stable, it is well established country and not lawless as the situation in K&M is.
I find it insulting that this "decision" from the "West" is more motivated by blackmail from Albanians threating violence if they don't get what they want then "self determination"...interesting what would the world think if they saw the very same people NATO protected from the "Evil" Serbs from giving Albanians the muzzle, when they kill,rape,steal,beat etc... the Serb population and even make trouble with the authorities governing the Albanian themselves? Shock and Awe...
I think the UN has been left to clean up the mess NATO left behind, even more the UN has lost all credibility to well...do anything really...
I think Ahtisaari will have a lot of trouble convincing the UN to take K&M away from Serbia, and I am very interested to see how you will try and pull this off.
I would like to tell to MARK, that it wasnt the kosovar albanians that were connected with the so called islamic terrorist groups but it was the Serb government who was in fact with these islamic groups and some islamic dictators. It is a well known fact that Milosevic had broad connections with Saddam Hussein and Moamar Ghadaffi, the two most known arab dictators. Also, Milosevic rewarded Ghadaffi with Medal for being an enemy to the United States. During the last war in Iraq, there were a lot of serb officers fighting for Saddam husein. Also serb made weapons were found in Iraq. After Saddam Hussein found out that he has no chance of being found innocent in the Iraqi court, he sent his best lawyer to defend Vojislav Seselj in the Hague because Saddam Husein and Seselj were one of the best friends.
Israel already accepted Kosova as an independent country, so if we really had connectiones to islamic organizationes then they wouldnt really accept us. Also, the Jewish community and Lobby in USA is the greatest and the best ally of the Albanian lobby.
Dear Mark, your comments are completely based on propaganda that nobody buys anymore, except some hopeless people like Kostunica and his alikes.
I would suggest to you to live in the world of reality.
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There were too many places that became independent and no other country said that since that or this country became independent we have to be independent too. We the kosovar albanians are not saying that Since EAST TIMOR became independent we will be independent too but we want independence because we shouldnt be a colony of Serbia on the 21st Century, we suffered way too much from Serbia. The serb government didnt even apologize to the albanian people for all the sufferings caused so how do you expect us to accept to live under leaders like Kostunica? The serbs do not want to cooperate with the international community and because of that Serbia is still being isolated from joining the EU, so therefore we do not want to be isolated like Serbia just because serbs do not want to give up the criminals like Mladic and Karadzic. Kosova doesnt want to become a victim of such criminals but wants to join the EU and other international bodies. Serbia is still living in the world of myths, Kosova doesnt want to live in the world of myths but in the world of reality and prosperity.
I hope that the serbs understand that nobody wants to be a victim of isolation just because they feel like it.
the old man is very tired. his unsuccessfull negotiating style is over. he should retire in the cold finnish soil. now the battle has begun. serbia's theme song>>>you and me against the world!!! russia china and others come along. venezuela north korea iran iraq afghanistan...
Haha TATIANA STOJKOVIC you make me laugh with your comments. Your chosen team of countries is a laughable one also. We the albanians are very happy to see that you got a team with North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq Iran etc...
Your comments actually show that you are the ones connected to terrorist islamic groups such the ones harbored in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thanks for accepting this reality that you are the ones connected to the muslim organizations not the albanians.
As for China and Russia, forget about it, they will abandon you just like in 1999.
China couldnt even do anything when her embassy was bombed, so forget about doing something now.
You with your laughable comments make me think that you are Sanda Raskovic-Ivic herself because she has been making some laughable comments too. Comments that are out of concept of time and reality.
MR AHTISARI is one of the best negotiators in the world. He is the one who helped get the deal in 1999 when Serbia lost the war against the albanians and NATO allies.
“Kosovo is a unique case and should be regarded as such, particularly given its HISTORY, REPRESSION under Slobodan Milošević’s rule, international intervention in 1999 and the administration established at the time that has remained ever since,” he underscored.
To Afrim I have several things to say. I appreciate your response and am always up for a healthy debate.
To begin, I believe you are thinking of something different when we talk about islamic fundamentalists, terrorists. I was merely raising the well established fact that such groups played an active role in carving up muslim states in europe, and indeed played a huge role in the Albanian independence movement by assisting the KLA. You, Afrim, were under the impression that I was referring to all islamic enemies of the United States, but in fact I was making references to Al-Qaeda and other terroristic funding sources from places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Indeed Milosevic did pursue diplomatic ties with the likes of Hussein and Ghadaffi, but this was attributable to the fact that intense embargos were placed on Serbia, which left few other countries to trade with other than the ones you mentioned...these nations had nothing in common with the serbs, except for Ghadaffi and Milosevic sharing a socialist history, and all three dictators having a common enemy at the time; the US. However, these rulers have all proven to be quite harmless to US interests, as the foiled Iraq War has been shown to be based on false ties between Hussein and international terrorism. Also, following 9/11 Gadaffi made one of the first and most firm denunciations of Al-Qaeda of any muslim leaders. He also opened Libya up for international inspections, which were declined by Clinton because it was known that they posed no threat to the US. Libya has also since proven to be quite cooperative in the fight against global terror. It was also laughable to hear you mention the small amount of Serbian weapons found in Iraq, when it is well know who put Hussein in power and supplied the majority of his weapons cache (the US).
This brings us back to the point about Kosovo. The KLA was proved to have connections with Al-Qaeda, as well as with international drug trade.
While Serbia has had diplomatic ties with some US enemies, it has never been shown to have any connection whatsoever to the harboring of international terrorism and drug trafficking. This is why most nearby countries (Greece, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia...etc.) are hesitant to give Kosovo independance. Did you know that over 70% of the heroin moving into western europe goes through Kosovo today!? This is the post-Milosevic era mind you, with the international community supervising just as they do in Afghanistan where the drugs are cultivated to begin with.
As an American, I have been exposed to the propaganda machine you call objective coverage, and have seen it in full motion during the balkan wars of the 90's. It surely doesn't hurt that kosovar Albanian lobbyists, wealthy from drug trade, have been well established in Washington, while the Serbs foolishly put all their eggs in the Russian basket. However, the truth is slowly emerging, as many terrorist cells have been popping up in Bosnia and Kosovo where they were assisted by their enemies in the West just last decade. At the time it was convenient to have a reason for keeping NATO in existence after the fall of communism, but our foolish mistakes in the balkans are already proving to have been far-reaching with new european bases for terrorists emerging from the breakup of Yugoslavia. These ties were not with Milosevic, but indeed with the Bosnian and Albanian independance movements.
That is what I was getting at when I said it would be hipocritical to grant Kosovo independance now, after allowing terrorists to gain a stronghold in the region, and at the same time claim to be fighting international terrorism.
Also, it is well know that when the KLA disbanded, most members joined the kosovo police force, and these are the same police expected to take over security from the international community one day, and respect the remaining serbs living in Kosovo? I highly doubt there will much if any ethnic tolerance once peacekeepers leave, as proportionally speaking, more serbs have been driven from their homes in Kosovo without being allowed to return than have Albanians. Also, the remaining Serbs have been terrorized daily, with Swedish peacekeepers recently admitting that the Serbs cannot even leave their homes without being escorted by soldiers even to buy bread. Other examples of localized terrorism against the remaiming Serbs has included violence against monks living in the hundreds of ancient Serbian monasteries that have been attacked or destroyed since '99, including the recent attack against the UNESCO world heritage site the Decani monastery. There has been a wholesale attempt at rewriting of the history of this contested region, and these historical pieces of evidence are the last obstacle in erasing the thousand-year old Serb presence in Kosovo. Albanians never had an independant country which included Kosovo, with exception to the Fascist puppet state created by Hitler in WW2. The Serbs have had an indepedant country including Kosovo before and after the Ottoman occupation of the balkans.
The violent history of Kosovo can be dicussed for days, but the simple fact is, the international community would set a dangerous precedent by awarding Kosovo independence. This is due to the fact that international law will have to be broken, and this would illegitimize the laws of the UN. Also, with terrorists salivating at the thought of an independent Kosovo, the international community must re-examine it's decade old one-sided policies regarding the balkans.
The Serbs have avoided forming a government and expediting their allegience to the EU because of the Kosovo quandry, and accepting the broadest possible autonomy within the borders of Serbia would be the best solution. Not only would that put Serbia on the fast track into the EU, but Kosovo along with it, with Albanians governing themselves and both sides coming to a mutual tolerance of eachother. After all, even an independent Kosovo borders much Serb territory, and all of the ethnicities in the Balkans must learn to cooperate with one another if they all intend to be partners in a unified europe.
Re-examine your own outdated propaganda Afrim and realize that the world is slowly begining to realize how dangerous it would be to grant independence to Kosovo. The recent trend of disagreement among EU member states about Ahtisari's one-sided proposal shows that it is an unacceptable solution to the Kosovo problem. Indeed this is not a compromise, as it does not answer any Serbian concerns other than giving hollow promises of safety for the remaining serbs, which has been non-existant for the past eight plus years under UN watch. The main reason the US and some other EU countries support the proposal is simple; they want an easy way out which will return the most profit on the Kosovo investment which has cost billions of dollars. Unfortunately, the most profitable and easy solution is rushing an important decision in favor of independance, and avoiding the costs of maintaining the stauts quo. Also, Albanian threats of violence have kept the UN on its heels. In fact, when one looks at how cooperative the Albanians have been with peacekeepers, it becomes clear that almost all attacks against UN soldiers have been carried by protesting or angry Albanians. Awarding such behavior is just foolish.
It’s interesting to see so many Serbian Radicals to talk about “Islamic jihad in Kosovo and Bosnia”, whitewashing completely the fact that many of the Atrocities of the 1990s Yugoslav Wars were condoned and approved by vast sects of the SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH.
The lot of propaganda and lies made many people believe in crappy stuff like “only the orthodox like the Serbs and the Russians are true and faithful Slavs”, “all catholics are Ustasha”, “all Muslims are Al-Qaeda”, etc.…
“Kosovo can no longer stay within Serbia’s borders. Ethnic Albanians, which make up 90 percent of the population, simply don’t want the province to remain in Serbia,” Ahtisaari said in an interview with Ljubljana weekly Delo.
I think Martti is an idiot.
How can you say, if there a a higher population of Albanians in Kosovo that we Serbians need to just give it to them just becasue they have a high majority. Why doesn't the U.S. give New Mexico to the Mexicans? They have a high majority living in New Mexico then americans do. Mexicans shoud just ask for it since their kind have a higher majority, lets see what the U.S. says.
Dear Mark, I understand your wish to prove your claims as being right, but i want to tell you straight and clear that KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations. The movement of the albanians against the Serb occupation of Kosova did not have any religious color at all. It was 100% nationalistic and due to the fact that the albanian people were tortured and discriminated in every aspect of life. You are saying that Serbia and Milosevic had no choice but to have business with countries like Lybia, Iraq and some others due to the fact that Serbia had Embargo. But remember that these countries had US and international embargoes too just like Serbia did for their terrorist actions agsinst innocent people, as for example Iraq against the SHia and kurdish populations. My friend, there was a reason why these countries such Iraq, Serbia,Lybia had sanctions. Another fact that KLA had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist groups is that in KLA there were also many christian fighters and how would you think that christians would fight for KLA if KLA was doing any cooperation with muslim organizations? Please just think of reality and you will get the answer. Even today, the speaker of the Kosova parliament is a christian so there is absolutely no way that the albanians in kosova fought for a religious cause but it was a pure fight for pure human rights that were highly abused by the serb-milosevic system. I am sorry that you fell a victim of the serb propaganda in this matter but hopefully with the time you will get to reality.
Now lets talk about the drug issues.
You are accusing that KLA had connections with drug trade but this is completely false also and it was the serb government who was in fact dealing with drugs and all kinds of types of money laundering. And i am not saying this just as a blank accusation but its proven by LIVE facts.
The biggest and fattest fact regarding this is that the Son and wife of Milosevic can not even go back to Serbia now because they are accused from the serb government for big time money laundering. So even the serb government is accusing them for this, so what else do i have to say?
Just few weeks ago if you remember, there was a big truck caught in the macedonian border that had thousands of tons of drugs and this deal was all orchestrated by someone that has HIGH POSITION in the serb government even today.
You also say that when KLA dispanded most of the soldiers joined the Kosovo police force and that these are the police who will take over the security from the international community and respect the remaining serbs in kosova.
So in the other side how do you expect that albanians should be put again back under the rule of serb police and paramilitary forces who killed more than 10.000 albanian people? The KLA is not accused from the international community for crimes against humanity and genocide while the whole complete political and military leaders of Serbia were sent to the Hague accused for crimes agsinst humanity, crimes that were so bad that could be compared to the crimes done in the middle ages. Please MARK think of reality... Try to search of the truth of what really happened in Balkans from Serbia-Milosevic.
None of the kosovar albanian parties have any kind of open propaganda against the serbs, while the biggest party of Serbia, The radical party has an open policy that asks that all albanians should be kicked out of Kosova and so on and so on and even its president Seselj is in prison accused of unimaginable crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
You also mention the so called "dangerous precedent". Look, no country in the world became independent by using an example of some other country as precedent. When East Timor became independent 5 years ago they didnt use the so called "precedence" argument.
Also, Kosova is not becoming independent by using any precedence from some other country before. Hundreds of countries became independent and none of them were used as precedence and only now Kosova will be used as precedence from others???? please get to reality.
Kosova is becoming independent due to the things that happened and are happening in Kosova not what are happening in East Timor or in Africa.
Kosova does not want to be isolated just like Serbia is being isolated due to the fact that the serb government is not cooperating with the International Community. Kosova wants to join the international bodies and cooperate, Kosova wants to join the EU while Serbia in one side says that it wants to join the EU but in the other side asks Russia for help and cooperates more with Russia and Iran and so on.
You also say that our neighbors like Greece,Romania, Slovakia and Hungary do not want to give us Independence. But let me remind you that none of these countries are closer to Kosova than Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Albania and even Montengegro and all of these countries are for Ahtisari's proposal which means Independence with the exception of Montenegro which does not realy want to get involved in this matter.
Imagine, Countries that one day were in one place In yougoslavia with both Serbia and Kosovo such Croatia, Macedonia, Slovenia today say that Kosova should be independent and all these countries are slavic people but they still say that Kosova should be independent because they know the evil ideas of people like Milosevic and now Kostunica.
Also, you say that Serbs had country before and after the ottoman empire in the balkans, but I just want to remind you that the Albanians were in the Balkans for thousands of years while the Serbs came from today's Russia and this is proven by the fact that today Serbia has hopes on the big brother called Russia.
You mention some orthodox churches that were destroyed but you forget to mention the hundreds of catholic churches and muslim mosques destroyed by Serbian paramilitary groups. kosova government is paying millions of dollars to rebuil the orthodox churches while Serbia didnt even apologize for the people that were killed in the name of Serbia.
You say that the albanians are only using propaganda while you indirectly claim that all what serbs are saying are true. For this I suggest you not to read albanian or serbian books but read INTERNATIONAL BOOKS written by English or American writers about Kosova and you will see the reality.
Read the book of Noel Malcolm Kosova-A short history.
If you want unbiased information about Kosova then read what the international writers have to say, dont read serbian or albanian books.
I hope that you will find the reality because i really feel sorry for you as you are clearly seen to be a victim of some propaganda that nobody believes anymore.
Thank you and wish you good luck in finding the true reality.
Sorry for the long post.
Thanks to the editor for having the will and the patience to deal with all of us.
Thanks.
Afrim, you have only chosen to loosely defend your position on SOME of my points. Regardless, did you know that this "fair" global media which you turn to for unbiased coverage is almost completely under the control of 9 giant firms (Time Warner, Disney, Viacom...etc.) Furthermore, these companies control other aspects of media such as book publishing, cable channel ownership, magazine publishing, etc.
Now, if you read anything from these sources, you know you are usually reading the side of the story that these corporate elite want you to read. Given the new world order, or globalist expansion, countries like Serbia who wanted to avoid getting involved in the recent political and economic trends that were pushed into this part of europe following communism, it became the most profitable scenario for all corporations (who basically run the world) to deal with a balkans comprised of small mini-states who could be more easily coaxed into fattening the pockets of the elites, while at the same time providing both a reason to keep NATO around after the fall of the USSR and an excuse to set up military bases in the balkans.
Human injustice was carried out equally by all parties involved, and this is nothing new in the balkans. However, the wars there recently were not fought on the basis of humanitarianism, but rather, this was just a good excuse to pursue national interests in the balkans by any means. We need only look to Darfur to see humanitarian catastrophes of huge proportions which dwarf anything that happened in Kosovo, however, this region was not as crucial in pursuing the global plan, so much much less attention and aide was given to it.
Your point about the "KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations" was quite the fabrication.
In fact, "Bin Laden's role has not just been as a practitioner of terrorist acts but as a trainer and supplier of terrorist organizations around the world. Included in bin Laden's coterie are terrorist groups linked to the Balkans, Albania, the KLA (a U.S. ally), and rebel groups leading the insurrection against Russia in Chechnya."
Also, "The Golden Crescent drug trade was also being used to finance and equip the Bosnian Muslim Army (starting in the early 1990s) and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In the last few months there is evidence that Mujhideen mercenaries are fighting in the ranks of the KLA-NLA terrorists in their assaults into Macedonia"
here, read this:
There are countles sources which all point to these connections, and it seems as though the Albanian formula is; inhabit a portion of land formerly inhabited by Illyrians, get terrorist help in antagonizing the local government, then sell tons of drugs and forward the profits to the US government and media and hope it was enough money to buy an ally in the indepedence struggle.
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
Ahtisaari... I have every hope that Serbia will continue to defy this man. It is unimaginable that Ahtisaari will now threaten Serbia by withholding their EU membership. Coercion? What ever happened to Resolution 1244? Was that not the law that was to be implemented? Why is it that Albanians are the absolute majority now? I stated the FACTS before and my facts are for sure correct... the year:
2000 - 1,584,000- Albanians
2000 - 100,000 serbs foreced out
2007 - 2.6 million people approx 200,000 serbs. The Albanian population almost doubled. Clearly the after the 1999 bombings the Albanians took advantage of the situation. For a country that is 70% unemployed how could 6 BILLION EUROS have funneled through Kosovo in 2006? Oh thats right... it was money involving illeagal arms for the terrorist group KLA, human trafficing and drugs. Once again my facts are accurate. Not to take sides but if Kosovo recieves independence it will by by illeagal means and if this happens it will be a breeding ground of Islamic terrorists... Once again We the WEST will be responsible... Afghanistan anyone? We made that mistake in the 80's... terrible!
Wow, ahtisaari is whining now. He has completely left the negotiation stages and is pulling everything out now. Serbia cannot join the EU if policy on Kosovo doesn't change? Umm, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the EU go through a huge spectacle to ensure Serbia they did not have to trade Kosovo for EU and that was not the scenario? For whom is Ahtisaari speaking on behalf of? All he sounds like is someone desperate and throwing in their last few rambles that don't make sense and seem more of an outburst than anything serious. He is losing and he cannot control his downward spiral. That plan is dead and has lost its support. He will be removed from the negotiations and this will be his legacy and he knows it. A failure to a thing that he probably told his buddies was a "sure thing". Good bye Ahtisaari
All Albanians who live in Serbia want to seperate from Serbia I guess Ahtisaari also thinks Presevo should be independent. Just because Kosovo ALbanians want something doesn't mean they should get it. Serbs in Kosovo who live in Serbia do not want to be independent of Serbia.
Ahtisaari is once again playing the ignorant card, failing to provide a valid argument for why kosovo is such a "unique case."
Indeed every independance seeking territory has a unique case and argument for why they are deserving of independance, but that is because they are different areas of the world, with different groups vying for control...This is all obvious, but does not discount the fact that passing a UN resolution granting kosovo independance will result in countless other regions raising equally, if not more, legitimate arguments for why they deserve independance.
The argument that kosovo is unique because of Milosevic's repression of Albanians is only presenting one side of the coin. On one hand, Milosevic did play his cards wrong, but the role of the islamic fundamentalist movement in the balkans is well noted, though not well exposed.
A recent New York Times article exposing radical islamist training camps in Serbia brings light on the long forgotten role of terrorism in the balkan wars of the 90's. Funded by the likes of Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo caused much havoc during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Their role in Kosovo was often ignored in the shaping of the policies which led to the international intervention in 1999.
Indeed the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was on the FBI's top ten terrorist group watchlist until it became convenient to use them as help in bombing the serbs into submission. Funding and weapons for the KLA were ironically sponsored by the very same people who the international community (ie, US & Europe) find themselves fighting today in the "global war on terror."
The sheer hipocracy of the US and Europe advocating independance for Kosovo is overwhelming. For one, it sends mixed signals to award the hard work of Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist groups in the balkans, and simultaneously fight them on other fronts.
The independance movement in Kosovo by Albanians started long before Milosevic, and was fought for with brutal, terroristic violence. Not to discount violence against Albanians, but clearly there was a long-brewing civil war and, at the very least, both side were equally at fault. There was, however, much outside influence in the events that transpired, and the NATO intervention must not be remembered as the only example.
Unfortunately, similar conflicts appear all over the world, and usually both sides have some legitimate argument for their cause. It would set a dangerous precendent internationally to grant Kosovo independance, and could potentially lead to similar violence to that seen in the 90's.
Serbia has offerend broad autonomy up to the highest of international standards to Kosovo, so long as it formally remains within Serbian borders. This would clearly be the best solution, as not only would the Serbs agree and move on, but the Albanians would not be controlled or governed by Serbia in any way as has been the case since '99. It being a Serbian province as it always has been would be in line with international law, and would show that there can be ethnic tolerance in a multinational country as Serbia is with Kosovo. It would also set a good precedent to similar cases around the world, that compromises can be made despite shaky relationships in the past.
Mr. Ahtisaari it is true that Albanians indeed make up 90% or so of the total population in K&M, but if they really and I mean really do not wish to live in Serbia they may pack there bags and leave. No one in Serbia is stopping them from going to Albania or wherever else they please.
With your mentality it only makes sense for Serbs in the B&H entity of RS to have the right to leave the federation as they makeup not 90% but 98% of the total population and would wish to succeed from B&H if only they were allowed...
Europe does not need another small country. The goal of the EU was to bring Europe together (doubt that..) not rip it apart.
It was the very same UN that created resolution 1244 that Serbia signed as well as your appointers...and it seems that you could not keep your end of the bargain....what gives?
I think you are rushing and you do not realize what problem will arise...I don't mean internationally I mean internally, Serbia (excluding K&M) would more or less remain stable, it is well established country and not lawless as the situation in K&M is.
I find it insulting that this "decision" from the "West" is more motivated by blackmail from Albanians threating violence if they don't get what they want then "self determination"...interesting what would the world think if they saw the very same people NATO protected from the "Evil" Serbs from giving Albanians the muzzle, when they kill,rape,steal,beat etc... the Serb population and even make trouble with the authorities governing the Albanian themselves? Shock and Awe...
I think the UN has been left to clean up the mess NATO left behind, even more the UN has lost all credibility to well...do anything really...
I think Ahtisaari will have a lot of trouble convincing the UN to take K&M away from Serbia, and I am very interested to see how you will try and pull this off.
I would like to tell to MARK, that it wasnt the kosovar albanians that were connected with the so called islamic terrorist groups but it was the Serb government who was in fact with these islamic groups and some islamic dictators. It is a well known fact that Milosevic had broad connections with Saddam Hussein and Moamar Ghadaffi, the two most known arab dictators. Also, Milosevic rewarded Ghadaffi with Medal for being an enemy to the United States. During the last war in Iraq, there were a lot of serb officers fighting for Saddam husein. Also serb made weapons were found in Iraq. After Saddam Hussein found out that he has no chance of being found innocent in the Iraqi court, he sent his best lawyer to defend Vojislav Seselj in the Hague because Saddam Husein and Seselj were one of the best friends.
Israel already accepted Kosova as an independent country, so if we really had connectiones to islamic organizationes then they wouldnt really accept us. Also, the Jewish community and Lobby in USA is the greatest and the best ally of the Albanian lobby.
Dear Mark, your comments are completely based on propaganda that nobody buys anymore, except some hopeless people like Kostunica and his alikes.
I would suggest to you to live in the world of reality.
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There were too many places that became independent and no other country said that since that or this country became independent we have to be independent too. We the kosovar albanians are not saying that Since EAST TIMOR became independent we will be independent too but we want independence because we shouldnt be a colony of Serbia on the 21st Century, we suffered way too much from Serbia. The serb government didnt even apologize to the albanian people for all the sufferings caused so how do you expect us to accept to live under leaders like Kostunica? The serbs do not want to cooperate with the international community and because of that Serbia is still being isolated from joining the EU, so therefore we do not want to be isolated like Serbia just because serbs do not want to give up the criminals like Mladic and Karadzic. Kosova doesnt want to become a victim of such criminals but wants to join the EU and other international bodies. Serbia is still living in the world of myths, Kosova doesnt want to live in the world of myths but in the world of reality and prosperity.
I hope that the serbs understand that nobody wants to be a victim of isolation just because they feel like it.
the old man is very tired. his unsuccessfull negotiating style is over. he should retire in the cold finnish soil. now the battle has begun. serbia's theme song>>>you and me against the world!!! russia china and others come along. venezuela north korea iran iraq afghanistan...
Haha TATIANA STOJKOVIC you make me laugh with your comments. Your chosen team of countries is a laughable one also. We the albanians are very happy to see that you got a team with North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq Iran etc...
Your comments actually show that you are the ones connected to terrorist islamic groups such the ones harbored in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Thanks for accepting this reality that you are the ones connected to the muslim organizations not the albanians.
As for China and Russia, forget about it, they will abandon you just like in 1999.
China couldnt even do anything when her embassy was bombed, so forget about doing something now.
You with your laughable comments make me think that you are Sanda Raskovic-Ivic herself because she has been making some laughable comments too. Comments that are out of concept of time and reality.
MR AHTISARI is one of the best negotiators in the world. He is the one who helped get the deal in 1999 when Serbia lost the war against the albanians and NATO allies.
“Kosovo is a unique case and should be regarded as such, particularly given its HISTORY, REPRESSION under Slobodan Milošević’s rule, international intervention in 1999 and the administration established at the time that has remained ever since,” he underscored.
To Afrim I have several things to say. I appreciate your response and am always up for a healthy debate.
To begin, I believe you are thinking of something different when we talk about islamic fundamentalists, terrorists. I was merely raising the well established fact that such groups played an active role in carving up muslim states in europe, and indeed played a huge role in the Albanian independence movement by assisting the KLA. You, Afrim, were under the impression that I was referring to all islamic enemies of the United States, but in fact I was making references to Al-Qaeda and other terroristic funding sources from places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Indeed Milosevic did pursue diplomatic ties with the likes of Hussein and Ghadaffi, but this was attributable to the fact that intense embargos were placed on Serbia, which left few other countries to trade with other than the ones you mentioned...these nations had nothing in common with the serbs, except for Ghadaffi and Milosevic sharing a socialist history, and all three dictators having a common enemy at the time; the US. However, these rulers have all proven to be quite harmless to US interests, as the foiled Iraq War has been shown to be based on false ties between Hussein and international terrorism. Also, following 9/11 Gadaffi made one of the first and most firm denunciations of Al-Qaeda of any muslim leaders. He also opened Libya up for international inspections, which were declined by Clinton because it was known that they posed no threat to the US. Libya has also since proven to be quite cooperative in the fight against global terror. It was also laughable to hear you mention the small amount of Serbian weapons found in Iraq, when it is well know who put Hussein in power and supplied the majority of his weapons cache (the US).
This brings us back to the point about Kosovo. The KLA was proved to have connections with Al-Qaeda, as well as with international drug trade.
While Serbia has had diplomatic ties with some US enemies, it has never been shown to have any connection whatsoever to the harboring of international terrorism and drug trafficking. This is why most nearby countries (Greece, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia...etc.) are hesitant to give Kosovo independance. Did you know that over 70% of the heroin moving into western europe goes through Kosovo today!? This is the post-Milosevic era mind you, with the international community supervising just as they do in Afghanistan where the drugs are cultivated to begin with.
As an American, I have been exposed to the propaganda machine you call objective coverage, and have seen it in full motion during the balkan wars of the 90's. It surely doesn't hurt that kosovar Albanian lobbyists, wealthy from drug trade, have been well established in Washington, while the Serbs foolishly put all their eggs in the Russian basket. However, the truth is slowly emerging, as many terrorist cells have been popping up in Bosnia and Kosovo where they were assisted by their enemies in the West just last decade. At the time it was convenient to have a reason for keeping NATO in existence after the fall of communism, but our foolish mistakes in the balkans are already proving to have been far-reaching with new european bases for terrorists emerging from the breakup of Yugoslavia. These ties were not with Milosevic, but indeed with the Bosnian and Albanian independance movements.
That is what I was getting at when I said it would be hipocritical to grant Kosovo independance now, after allowing terrorists to gain a stronghold in the region, and at the same time claim to be fighting international terrorism.
Also, it is well know that when the KLA disbanded, most members joined the kosovo police force, and these are the same police expected to take over security from the international community one day, and respect the remaining serbs living in Kosovo? I highly doubt there will much if any ethnic tolerance once peacekeepers leave, as proportionally speaking, more serbs have been driven from their homes in Kosovo without being allowed to return than have Albanians. Also, the remaining Serbs have been terrorized daily, with Swedish peacekeepers recently admitting that the Serbs cannot even leave their homes without being escorted by soldiers even to buy bread. Other examples of localized terrorism against the remaiming Serbs has included violence against monks living in the hundreds of ancient Serbian monasteries that have been attacked or destroyed since '99, including the recent attack against the UNESCO world heritage site the Decani monastery. There has been a wholesale attempt at rewriting of the history of this contested region, and these historical pieces of evidence are the last obstacle in erasing the thousand-year old Serb presence in Kosovo. Albanians never had an independant country which included Kosovo, with exception to the Fascist puppet state created by Hitler in WW2. The Serbs have had an indepedant country including Kosovo before and after the Ottoman occupation of the balkans.
The violent history of Kosovo can be dicussed for days, but the simple fact is, the international community would set a dangerous precedent by awarding Kosovo independence. This is due to the fact that international law will have to be broken, and this would illegitimize the laws of the UN. Also, with terrorists salivating at the thought of an independent Kosovo, the international community must re-examine it's decade old one-sided policies regarding the balkans.
The Serbs have avoided forming a government and expediting their allegience to the EU because of the Kosovo quandry, and accepting the broadest possible autonomy within the borders of Serbia would be the best solution. Not only would that put Serbia on the fast track into the EU, but Kosovo along with it, with Albanians governing themselves and both sides coming to a mutual tolerance of eachother. After all, even an independent Kosovo borders much Serb territory, and all of the ethnicities in the Balkans must learn to cooperate with one another if they all intend to be partners in a unified europe.
Re-examine your own outdated propaganda Afrim and realize that the world is slowly begining to realize how dangerous it would be to grant independence to Kosovo. The recent trend of disagreement among EU member states about Ahtisari's one-sided proposal shows that it is an unacceptable solution to the Kosovo problem. Indeed this is not a compromise, as it does not answer any Serbian concerns other than giving hollow promises of safety for the remaining serbs, which has been non-existant for the past eight plus years under UN watch. The main reason the US and some other EU countries support the proposal is simple; they want an easy way out which will return the most profit on the Kosovo investment which has cost billions of dollars. Unfortunately, the most profitable and easy solution is rushing an important decision in favor of independance, and avoiding the costs of maintaining the stauts quo. Also, Albanian threats of violence have kept the UN on its heels. In fact, when one looks at how cooperative the Albanians have been with peacekeepers, it becomes clear that almost all attacks against UN soldiers have been carried by protesting or angry Albanians. Awarding such behavior is just foolish.
It’s interesting to see so many Serbian Radicals to talk about “Islamic jihad in Kosovo and Bosnia”, whitewashing completely the fact that many of the Atrocities of the 1990s Yugoslav Wars were condoned and approved by vast sects of the SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH.
The lot of propaganda and lies made many people believe in crappy stuff like “only the orthodox like the Serbs and the Russians are true and faithful Slavs”, “all catholics are Ustasha”, “all Muslims are Al-Qaeda”, etc.…
“Kosovo can no longer stay within Serbia’s borders. Ethnic Albanians, which make up 90 percent of the population, simply don’t want the province to remain in Serbia,” Ahtisaari said in an interview with Ljubljana weekly Delo.
I think Martti is an idiot.
How can you say, if there a a higher population of Albanians in Kosovo that we Serbians need to just give it to them just becasue they have a high majority. Why doesn't the U.S. give New Mexico to the Mexicans? They have a high majority living in New Mexico then americans do. Mexicans shoud just ask for it since their kind have a higher majority, lets see what the U.S. says.
Dear Mark, I understand your wish to prove your claims as being right, but i want to tell you straight and clear that KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations. The movement of the albanians against the Serb occupation of Kosova did not have any religious color at all. It was 100% nationalistic and due to the fact that the albanian people were tortured and discriminated in every aspect of life. You are saying that Serbia and Milosevic had no choice but to have business with countries like Lybia, Iraq and some others due to the fact that Serbia had Embargo. But remember that these countries had US and international embargoes too just like Serbia did for their terrorist actions agsinst innocent people, as for example Iraq against the SHia and kurdish populations. My friend, there was a reason why these countries such Iraq, Serbia,Lybia had sanctions. Another fact that KLA had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist groups is that in KLA there were also many christian fighters and how would you think that christians would fight for KLA if KLA was doing any cooperation with muslim organizations? Please just think of reality and you will get the answer. Even today, the speaker of the Kosova parliament is a christian so there is absolutely no way that the albanians in kosova fought for a religious cause but it was a pure fight for pure human rights that were highly abused by the serb-milosevic system. I am sorry that you fell a victim of the serb propaganda in this matter but hopefully with the time you will get to reality.
Now lets talk about the drug issues.
You are accusing that KLA had connections with drug trade but this is completely false also and it was the serb government who was in fact dealing with drugs and all kinds of types of money laundering. And i am not saying this just as a blank accusation but its proven by LIVE facts.
The biggest and fattest fact regarding this is that the Son and wife of Milosevic can not even go back to Serbia now because they are accused from the serb government for big time money laundering. So even the serb government is accusing them for this, so what else do i have to say?
Just few weeks ago if you remember, there was a big truck caught in the macedonian border that had thousands of tons of drugs and this deal was all orchestrated by someone that has HIGH POSITION in the serb government even today.
You also say that when KLA dispanded most of the soldiers joined the Kosovo police force and that these are the police who will take over the security from the international community and respect the remaining serbs in kosova.
So in the other side how do you expect that albanians should be put again back under the rule of serb police and paramilitary forces who killed more than 10.000 albanian people? The KLA is not accused from the international community for crimes against humanity and genocide while the whole complete political and military leaders of Serbia were sent to the Hague accused for crimes agsinst humanity, crimes that were so bad that could be compared to the crimes done in the middle ages. Please MARK think of reality... Try to search of the truth of what really happened in Balkans from Serbia-Milosevic.
None of the kosovar albanian parties have any kind of open propaganda against the serbs, while the biggest party of Serbia, The radical party has an open policy that asks that all albanians should be kicked out of Kosova and so on and so on and even its president Seselj is in prison accused of unimaginable crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.
You also mention the so called "dangerous precedent". Look, no country in the world became independent by using an example of some other country as precedent. When East Timor became independent 5 years ago they didnt use the so called "precedence" argument.
Also, Kosova is not becoming independent by using any precedence from some other country before. Hundreds of countries became independent and none of them were used as precedence and only now Kosova will be used as precedence from others???? please get to reality.
Kosova is becoming independent due to the things that happened and are happening in Kosova not what are happening in East Timor or in Africa.
Kosova does not want to be isolated just like Serbia is being isolated due to the fact that the serb government is not cooperating with the International Community. Kosova wants to join the international bodies and cooperate, Kosova wants to join the EU while Serbia in one side says that it wants to join the EU but in the other side asks Russia for help and cooperates more with Russia and Iran and so on.
You also say that our neighbors like Greece,Romania, Slovakia and Hungary do not want to give us Independence. But let me remind you that none of these countries are closer to Kosova than Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Albania and even Montengegro and all of these countries are for Ahtisari's proposal which means Independence with the exception of Montenegro which does not realy want to get involved in this matter.
Imagine, Countries that one day were in one place In yougoslavia with both Serbia and Kosovo such Croatia, Macedonia, Slovenia today say that Kosova should be independent and all these countries are slavic people but they still say that Kosova should be independent because they know the evil ideas of people like Milosevic and now Kostunica.
Also, you say that Serbs had country before and after the ottoman empire in the balkans, but I just want to remind you that the Albanians were in the Balkans for thousands of years while the Serbs came from today's Russia and this is proven by the fact that today Serbia has hopes on the big brother called Russia.
You mention some orthodox churches that were destroyed but you forget to mention the hundreds of catholic churches and muslim mosques destroyed by Serbian paramilitary groups. kosova government is paying millions of dollars to rebuil the orthodox churches while Serbia didnt even apologize for the people that were killed in the name of Serbia.
You say that the albanians are only using propaganda while you indirectly claim that all what serbs are saying are true. For this I suggest you not to read albanian or serbian books but read INTERNATIONAL BOOKS written by English or American writers about Kosova and you will see the reality.
Read the book of Noel Malcolm Kosova-A short history.
If you want unbiased information about Kosova then read what the international writers have to say, dont read serbian or albanian books.
I hope that you will find the reality because i really feel sorry for you as you are clearly seen to be a victim of some propaganda that nobody believes anymore.
Thank you and wish you good luck in finding the true reality.
Sorry for the long post.
Thanks to the editor for having the will and the patience to deal with all of us.
Thanks.
Afrim, you have only chosen to loosely defend your position on SOME of my points. Regardless, did you know that this "fair" global media which you turn to for unbiased coverage is almost completely under the control of 9 giant firms (Time Warner, Disney, Viacom...etc.) Furthermore, these companies control other aspects of media such as book publishing, cable channel ownership, magazine publishing, etc.
Now, if you read anything from these sources, you know you are usually reading the side of the story that these corporate elite want you to read. Given the new world order, or globalist expansion, countries like Serbia who wanted to avoid getting involved in the recent political and economic trends that were pushed into this part of europe following communism, it became the most profitable scenario for all corporations (who basically run the world) to deal with a balkans comprised of small mini-states who could be more easily coaxed into fattening the pockets of the elites, while at the same time providing both a reason to keep NATO around after the fall of the USSR and an excuse to set up military bases in the balkans.
Human injustice was carried out equally by all parties involved, and this is nothing new in the balkans. However, the wars there recently were not fought on the basis of humanitarianism, but rather, this was just a good excuse to pursue national interests in the balkans by any means. We need only look to Darfur to see humanitarian catastrophes of huge proportions which dwarf anything that happened in Kosovo, however, this region was not as crucial in pursuing the global plan, so much much less attention and aide was given to it.
Your point about the "KLA and the Kosovar-albanian movement had absolutely no connections with any islamic terrorist organizations" was quite the fabrication.
In fact, "Bin Laden's role has not just been as a practitioner of terrorist acts but as a trainer and supplier of terrorist organizations around the world. Included in bin Laden's coterie are terrorist groups linked to the Balkans, Albania, the KLA (a U.S. ally), and rebel groups leading the insurrection against Russia in Chechnya."
Also, "The Golden Crescent drug trade was also being used to finance and equip the Bosnian Muslim Army (starting in the early 1990s) and the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). In the last few months there is evidence that Mujhideen mercenaries are fighting in the ranks of the KLA-NLA terrorists in their assaults into Macedonia"
here, read this:
There are countles sources which all point to these connections, and it seems as though the Albanian formula is; inhabit a portion of land formerly inhabited by Illyrians, get terrorist help in antagonizing the local government, then sell tons of drugs and forward the profits to the US government and media and hope it was enough money to buy an ally in the indepedence struggle.
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