Top Serbian officials call for continued talks

ahtisaari should consult china on the benefits of the one country two systems which is in place between china hong kong and taiwan rather than violating the international law.

Tatjana,
Russian and Chinese comunist systems are not to be taken as an example from the rest of democratic world. Its a shame that Serbs, who live in the heart of Europe, aline themselves and seek support from asian countries that have been always on the top of the list when it comes to human rights violations. That probably shows where the craddle of your nation really is.

All these options Serbia is offering today died whith the people of Racak.

Hermon, Russia and China may not be saints when it comes to human rights, but then again the USA has nothing to be proud about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears

Bekim, the Račak facts are that 37 of the 40 bodies had gunpowder residue on their hands. They could not have been killed in the gully as the trajectory of their bullet wounds would be impossible. The OSCE monitors have a perfect view of the gully and did not see anything happen on the day of the alleged massacre. 30 of the 40 were known KLA members.

Hermon - You mean as opposed to aligning yourself with the 'free world' where countries are used as bargaining chips and people become collective 'collateral damage' if they happen to live in the wrong place at the wrong time? I do not advocate following China or Russia for social policy examples, but the flip side of the coin is hardly shining - just dressed up differently

I am impressed how creative you are in finding solutions for Co-existence in Kosovo.
I really admire your creativity ( I am referring to you Tatjana, and your politicians)
All this capacity to solve problems have been hidden for many, many decades… PITY…
why didn’t you come with this solution before 1999, but on contrary you supported the oppression against Albanians living in Kosovo, and all this capacity to solve problems was used to create problems instead.

Have a nice day
Avni Gjoni

Mr Davies, apologists like you never cease to amaze me. At least have the decency to say you guys bombed the wrong side or serbs were just doing the right thing exterminating "albanian muslim terrorists" but dont use remarks like that to justify a massacre.

"All these options Serbia is offering today died whith the people of Racak.
(Bekim, Friday, 23 March, 2007, 14:01)"

bekim: Why don't you mention that this was in retalliation to KLA provocations (sniper assassinations)on Serb civillians and police? albanians are just pumping the propaganda how the Serbs just came to KiM to kill people for no reason.
And to add, the majority of albanian casualties in Racak were KLA members.

Why don't Douste-Blazy prove his sincerity by setting an example for Serbia? France can begin by giving independence to Caledonia (where an independence struggle was suppressed by the French in 1970s), Guiana and Corsica.

Ratko - the majority of people that KLA was attacking were Serb MUP/VJ units. Going by your rationale, retaliation on a civilian population is acceptable now??? I can clearly see where you are coming from - and why Albanian case for not wanting to be governed by a bunch of criminals is a strong one. I suppose Albanians should be thankful to people like you who spill out the beans of what REALLY they are thinking ... and of all the speech about "peaceful" co-existence under Serbia.

Give me a break. At least try to avoid self contradiction and construct your argument with some valid points, please!

Mr. Davies, I guess infants and disabled elders had gun powder residue too - they were terrorists attacking the Serb units! And that's why they got slaughtered and left to rot. That must be a normal procedure of any police/military operation.

Good heavens man. I am speechless!

bekim, which remarks of mine are you objecting too specifically? The facts of the matter are quite simply that there was no massacre, just KLA members killed in combat by better trained and equiped government force.

Can anyone tell me if there is any hard evidence that hardcore KLA (not the K-Albanians who were "persuaded" to join the KLA) were not the authors of the Racak murders?

Toni, you obviously don't know any details of the Račak incident. According to the ICTY prosecution information http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/milu-3ai020905e.pdf (see page 43) the oldest two people to die were 60 & 70 and the only one under 18 and only one was female. All the others were men of fighting age. They were attacking Serb units and that is what led to their deaths. As you are speechless I expect you won't be commenting any further on the facts of this.

amerikanac, it is more than likely that the KLA moved all the bodies into the gully where they were found, but they were killed in combat and not by the KLA.

Mr. Davies,

Unless you’ve been yourself there and witnessed the atrocities committed in Racak, then my case stands, for the lack of your ability to disproving it in the slightest. There were three teams sent to investigate the case – Russian, Belarusian, and Finnish. I am no forensic expert, so I won’t pretend know anything more than I do nor to prove anything scientifically. BUT, I value Finland’s team report much more than the former Soviet countries, for the simple fact of their strong pro-Serbian bias. Finland has had absolutely no historical amicable ties with Albanians that I am aware of – so whatever their conclusion on the matter, I would trust it much more than others, given their neutrality.

Now that I’ve iterated at which study I am going with, let me elaborate. As you can read here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/298131.stm), Dr. Ranta does indeed affirm that they were civilians, since any proof to the contrary doesn’t exist. Just because someone is of “fighting” age, doesn’t automatically make them guilty of firing a gun, much less partaking in a gunfight. I value her expert opinion on the matter much more than yours or the Russian and Belarusian.

For the sake of the argument, let’s say that they indeed were firing at the police units, and that they got shot back by a superior power. But if they were indeed shot in a firefight, wouldn’t a normal procedure, in any contemporary police force, be to surround the area to protect it from contamination and have forensics personnel come to the area and investigate the surrounding and inspect the bodies (or something along those lines)? Does massacring and mutilating forty plus people sound like a right police procedure to follow in any decent modern police force? I hope that that is not Milosevic’s propaganda Kool-Aid I am sensing in your argument … if you do have counter arguments with some facts, please share – if I am wrong, I would want to be corrected.


Take care.

ahtisaari should consult china on the benefits of the one country two systems which is in place between china hong kong and taiwan rather than violating the international law.

Tatjana,
Russian and Chinese comunist systems are not to be taken as an example from the rest of democratic world. Its a shame that Serbs, who live in the heart of Europe, aline themselves and seek support from asian countries that have been always on the top of the list when it comes to human rights violations. That probably shows where the craddle of your nation really is.

All these options Serbia is offering today died whith the people of Racak.

Hermon, Russia and China may not be saints when it comes to human rights, but then again the USA has nothing to be proud about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears

Bekim, the Račak facts are that 37 of the 40 bodies had gunpowder residue on their hands. They could not have been killed in the gully as the trajectory of their bullet wounds would be impossible. The OSCE monitors have a perfect view of the gully and did not see anything happen on the day of the alleged massacre. 30 of the 40 were known KLA members.

Hermon - You mean as opposed to aligning yourself with the 'free world' where countries are used as bargaining chips and people become collective 'collateral damage' if they happen to live in the wrong place at the wrong time? I do not advocate following China or Russia for social policy examples, but the flip side of the coin is hardly shining - just dressed up differently

I am impressed how creative you are in finding solutions for Co-existence in Kosovo.
I really admire your creativity ( I am referring to you Tatjana, and your politicians)
All this capacity to solve problems have been hidden for many, many decades… PITY…
why didn’t you come with this solution before 1999, but on contrary you supported the oppression against Albanians living in Kosovo, and all this capacity to solve problems was used to create problems instead.

Have a nice day
Avni Gjoni

Mr Davies, apologists like you never cease to amaze me. At least have the decency to say you guys bombed the wrong side or serbs were just doing the right thing exterminating "albanian muslim terrorists" but dont use remarks like that to justify a massacre.

"All these options Serbia is offering today died whith the people of Racak.
(Bekim, Friday, 23 March, 2007, 14:01)"

bekim: Why don't you mention that this was in retalliation to KLA provocations (sniper assassinations)on Serb civillians and police? albanians are just pumping the propaganda how the Serbs just came to KiM to kill people for no reason.
And to add, the majority of albanian casualties in Racak were KLA members.

Why don't Douste-Blazy prove his sincerity by setting an example for Serbia? France can begin by giving independence to Caledonia (where an independence struggle was suppressed by the French in 1970s), Guiana and Corsica.

Ratko - the majority of people that KLA was attacking were Serb MUP/VJ units. Going by your rationale, retaliation on a civilian population is acceptable now??? I can clearly see where you are coming from - and why Albanian case for not wanting to be governed by a bunch of criminals is a strong one. I suppose Albanians should be thankful to people like you who spill out the beans of what REALLY they are thinking ... and of all the speech about "peaceful" co-existence under Serbia.

Give me a break. At least try to avoid self contradiction and construct your argument with some valid points, please!

Mr. Davies, I guess infants and disabled elders had gun powder residue too - they were terrorists attacking the Serb units! And that's why they got slaughtered and left to rot. That must be a normal procedure of any police/military operation.

Good heavens man. I am speechless!

bekim, which remarks of mine are you objecting too specifically? The facts of the matter are quite simply that there was no massacre, just KLA members killed in combat by better trained and equiped government force.

Can anyone tell me if there is any hard evidence that hardcore KLA (not the K-Albanians who were "persuaded" to join the KLA) were not the authors of the Racak murders?

Toni, you obviously don't know any details of the Račak incident. According to the ICTY prosecution information http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/milu-3ai020905e.pdf (see page 43) the oldest two people to die were 60 & 70 and the only one under 18 and only one was female. All the others were men of fighting age. They were attacking Serb units and that is what led to their deaths. As you are speechless I expect you won't be commenting any further on the facts of this.

amerikanac, it is more than likely that the KLA moved all the bodies into the gully where they were found, but they were killed in combat and not by the KLA.

Mr. Davies,

Unless you’ve been yourself there and witnessed the atrocities committed in Racak, then my case stands, for the lack of your ability to disproving it in the slightest. There were three teams sent to investigate the case – Russian, Belarusian, and Finnish. I am no forensic expert, so I won’t pretend know anything more than I do nor to prove anything scientifically. BUT, I value Finland’s team report much more than the former Soviet countries, for the simple fact of their strong pro-Serbian bias. Finland has had absolutely no historical amicable ties with Albanians that I am aware of – so whatever their conclusion on the matter, I would trust it much more than others, given their neutrality.

Now that I’ve iterated at which study I am going with, let me elaborate. As you can read here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/298131.stm), Dr. Ranta does indeed affirm that they were civilians, since any proof to the contrary doesn’t exist. Just because someone is of “fighting” age, doesn’t automatically make them guilty of firing a gun, much less partaking in a gunfight. I value her expert opinion on the matter much more than yours or the Russian and Belarusian.

For the sake of the argument, let’s say that they indeed were firing at the police units, and that they got shot back by a superior power. But if they were indeed shot in a firefight, wouldn’t a normal procedure, in any contemporary police force, be to surround the area to protect it from contamination and have forensics personnel come to the area and investigate the surrounding and inspect the bodies (or something along those lines)? Does massacring and mutilating forty plus people sound like a right police procedure to follow in any decent modern police force? I hope that that is not Milosevic’s propaganda Kool-Aid I am sensing in your argument … if you do have counter arguments with some facts, please share – if I am wrong, I would want to be corrected.


Take care.