“Imposed solution won't pass Security Council”

Here comes the storm......

Hermon,

why the apprehension that it must be a storm! Maybe the US will clarify matters better and a real compromise will come about!

The storm you are preparing for will not be beneficial at all for anyone in Kosovo & Metohija as it envisages a state worse then Status Quo - if you had few prospects before expect even less!

Princip.

Can you see how much afar from reality you are? Did you hear anybody else in the world calling Kosova as "Kosova i Metohija" except you serbs? Are you more erudite then all others people ore you really live with myths?

There really is no need to rush to a solution, the Kosovar people are safe from harm. Russia will only support a solution that BOTH sides agree to. This could actually be good for the Albanian people as a whole. Do not forget your brothers in Presevo. There are points worth compromising on and there are things we both want. We not just ask to have us both accepted in the EU? Then Borders aren’t important really. Why not look at partition as an option? Maybe you could get the right to join with Albania if that’s what the population wants? There are countless solutions better then what Ahtisaari offered. Now is a good chance, we only need to actually talk. Learning to work together is actually more important in the long run then whatever actual solution is applied. Despite some of the comments coming from the West, if you engage in violence, you will lose any validity you currently have. We must all remain calm and try to work things out.

At least there is one country supporting Serbia on fair principles.

Princip,
I wish there will be no storm, and never again but you know what they say when elephants fight, its the jungle that shatters.

At the end Kosovo will declare independence and some important country will recognise its status.
The little Yugoslavia is having the same end as the older and bigger Yugoslavia: firstly independence of Montenegro and secondly for Kosovo, hoping that the troubles in Vojvodina and Presevo valley will calm down.

Hi Shukri Gashi

The official name of the province is "Kosovo i Metohija" or "Kosovo and Metohia" when translated into English.

For abbreviation reasons, the term "Kosovo" is often used in the international press. However, browsing international newspapers, you will find many references to the official name "Kosovo and Metohia"

FYI: The United States of America is often referred to as the U.S., for example.

As to the term "Kosova", it is mostly used only by Kosovans, [who claim to have lived in this part of the world since 3000 BC but have, curiously, adopted a Serbian term for "their province".]

I would like you to explain the ethymology of the term "Kosova", unless you agree that it is just the Albanian spelling of the Serbian term Kosovo.

And as to the term "Methojia": it denotes "church land", which you are in the process of destroying.

So, of course, why should you care about that term.

I wish , I pray for Russia to use veto . Don’t take this as a threat but , since you preach about the north of Kosova, then you will get entire non-Albanian population in matter or a day or two. Then ask a question how can Russia help you ?

Princip, perhaps it might be a good idea not to reiterate what you mean by "Win/Win" situation for Kosovo & Metohija. You've used this term many times, but I think we all could benefit again from what that would entail.

laki, are you suggesting that the albanians will ethnically cleanse ALL non-albanians? If that is the case, we have nothing to worry about... since Nato (supposedly the strongest force in the world) is there to prevent violence. Should the situation arise where they are unable or unwilling to do their job they will have to step aside and let someone else who is more capable of dealing with terrorist acts. I believe there is a clause in UN resolution 1244 that allows a certain number of Serbian troops to defend Serbian holy sites. Lets hope they don't have to use this clause anytime soon.

The solution for Kosova is to join Kosova with Albania state than do not need for russian UN Agreement because of Albania is a UN member.
The Cecenian problem should be open again from west and west should support the georgian army to put order in whole own territory. THIS IS THE A BIG SOLUTION.

Sorry, spelling mistake. I meant "it might be a good idea NOW to reiterate what you mean by "Win/Win" situation for Kosovo & Metohija"

"However, in case there is any attempt to impose a solution unacceptable either to Belgrade or Priština, we will not allow such a solution to pass the Security Council."
This sounds like the strongest comment coming from Russia yet. Previously they said they would not support it, now they are saying they will not allow it to pass. Sounds like a threat to actually use their Veto.

+/-,

'Kosovo & Metohija' is the official name?

Lol...maybe in the Serbian constituiton, perhaps.

Not in the Kosovo one...which is what really matters.

+/-.

If you say that Kosovo i Metohia is official name for Kosova i have another question to you.

You, Princip and some other debaters here, often refer to resolution 1244 as a document which determines the Kosovo solution. Can you explain to me how is Kosova called in this resolution "Kosova" or "Kosova i Metohia" or maybe 1244 is not official.

Well, when Russia threats with veto for a proposal "unacceptable either to Belgrade or Priština", I guess they should know that one of these "unacceptable" solutions is Kosovo within Serbia. It is unacceptable to albanians. So logically russians will oppose it. Or not? See now how pointless and weak is the russian way for helping serbs? There is no way Kosovo remains anymore under serbian rule. They occupied our territory. They tried for years to change its demographics, invented a mythical illusion about that territory. The truth is Kosovo, Kosovo Metohija or whatever you call that territory which is just a bite of Albania, do not belongs to serbs. You stole it from us, and now those who have the power to change things are making justice. You will scream and fight a little bit, will post in forums endless lies etc, but at the end of the day, that territory will be not ruled anymore by serbs. Of course as a compromise they will not give back that slice of land to Albania, but, at least those who mistreated the people of that region, will loose the right to do it again.
By the way, France foreign minister said today in prishtina that his country supports Kosovo's independence. But of course, given Serbia is not yet a democratic country, your medias didnt prefere to show to your people this side of the story.
Sweet dreams thiefs.
Sotir Marko
Albania.

If there is violence in Kosovo it will be the Serbs or Albanians fault. Probably the ALbanians because of the KLA. Not RUssia. The UN can not dismember a country against its will peacefully.

dear albanian posters, I can only tell you to read this article, by the way...it´s not written by serbian journalists, or "paid" propaganda-workers...it´s the international herald tribune bringing this...
something you should be suspicious of.. right? :)

and here it is..tadaaaa:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/22/opinion/edcornell.php

that together with the news that Bushie is authorizing the arming of the Republic of Serbia (" because it promotes US-american national interest and world-peace" )...should make you sit down a little bit and think...

cheers.

+/-, KosovA is the Albanian version of Kosovo. No one is denying this. The name was a recent adoption since it was the only way to make a disctinction between Albanians living in Albania and those living in Kosovo.
The old name for Kosovo was Dardania and the people are called Dardani or Dardanians. There is a movement of people who are trying to officially change the name of the province or the country to Republic of Dardania.

P.S. - how do you destroy church land?

Laki,

Why would the non-Albanian population come to northern Kosovo? All you Albanians claim that even the other minorities want independence.

So which is it? You all seem a little dazed and confused.

I have been reading the comments for a while now, I must say that that Princip and Blag predicted what is unfolding now. That Russia will make a stand, and stand for common sense. The Albanians of Kosovo will get 'something' in the end, it will be watered down more that what is currently proposed, but they will have to live with it, because all they have is the threat of using violence, and I must say that this is not enough, especially when the west gets sick of them not willing to compromise away from their independence stand. I salute the principaled stand of the Serbian leaders, irrespective of what party, and I must add that the likes of Cedo Jovanovic have committed political suicide with his comments. I think kosovo should be partitioned, and then we as Serbs can wait for the mood to change in world, which it will and the Alliance with Russia will keep the Serbian nation in good stead. I also think we should slow our eagerness to join the EU, Serbia can enjoy economic prosperity being where it is without being EU. This would teach the Albanians, that they can go the long way or learn how to swim. Lets see what happens, but the mood / balance of the 'superpowers' is changing.

Serbs supported FYROM although the Greeks are fond of Serbia. Nice book Unholy alliance. It proves how clever Greece really is.

What does Europe have to gain by promoting an independant Kosovo? What does Russia have to gain by a veto? Who will ultimately end up being the winners here - The Serbs? The Albanians? Either way, the cost to Europe would be billions as a result of a refugees, humanitarian aid, etc. Folks... the conditions are being set for the partition of the region. The question is, how much will regional stability cost Europe? This was elegantly architected by the both sides. Europe is at a decion point - not the Serbs nor Albanians. Europe needs to decide what it wants to do. This is entirely a EU question.

While bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, the USA (see remarks made by Mr Bolton) are now inciting Kosovo Albanians urging them to trigger another war on the territory of the soverign state and a loyal member of the UNO - Serbia. That is the main reason standing behind various "status talks" and "comprehensive plans". All other arguments are from "bla-bla" opera.

Reading some comments of some serbs here in this forum reminds me in a story of "Donkey and Wolf".
Wolf was eating lower half of donkeys boddy,and instead of waking up and run, donkey thought all the time "Wish i'm Dreaming".
You serb do so without realizing that Kosovo or maybe you like more "Kosovo&Metohija" does not belong to Serbia from 1999. So sweat dreams,but wake up in time 'cause you have more problems to solve e.g.Sandjak,Vojvodina,East Kosova,atc.etc.
For you Jovo I red that link that you reccomended and saw that was written by some "Silk road" researchers in Kaukasus.Great deal indeed.
And for arming serbs by Bush,to tell you the truth
it doesn't bore me so much,in us albanians is aphorism:"Borrowed weapon or licenced weapon is not yours".

Completely agree with Sotir Marko. Politicians say what they have to say, but very glad that Sotir says things as they are.
Cheers from Kosova!

Hey B92 what gives? I've posted some stuff that doesn't make it in discussions, and maybe that's okay, but you let this Rifat guy post something that is a not-so-subtle threat of violence against Serbs. The implication of his statement is, "We own our weapons and can force you to do our will, while you truly have no way of defending yourselves."

It's disgusting and you should be ashamed of promoting armed violence against Kosovo Serbs.

Hi,MB!
You didn't understand a single word of my coment.
Or you are teached to missunderstand twist words that are not in your favour.
Or learn some more English .

“For you Jovo I red that link that you reccomended and saw that was written by some "Silk road" researchers in Kaukasus.”
Actually they work for John Hopkins University and Uppsala in Sweden. John Hopkins is a very well respected University in the United States. If you don’t see a connection between their area of expertise and the heroin trade routes, then I don’t know what to tell ya.

Here comes the storm......

Hermon,

why the apprehension that it must be a storm! Maybe the US will clarify matters better and a real compromise will come about!

The storm you are preparing for will not be beneficial at all for anyone in Kosovo & Metohija as it envisages a state worse then Status Quo - if you had few prospects before expect even less!

Princip.

Can you see how much afar from reality you are? Did you hear anybody else in the world calling Kosova as "Kosova i Metohija" except you serbs? Are you more erudite then all others people ore you really live with myths?

There really is no need to rush to a solution, the Kosovar people are safe from harm. Russia will only support a solution that BOTH sides agree to. This could actually be good for the Albanian people as a whole. Do not forget your brothers in Presevo. There are points worth compromising on and there are things we both want. We not just ask to have us both accepted in the EU? Then Borders aren’t important really. Why not look at partition as an option? Maybe you could get the right to join with Albania if that’s what the population wants? There are countless solutions better then what Ahtisaari offered. Now is a good chance, we only need to actually talk. Learning to work together is actually more important in the long run then whatever actual solution is applied. Despite some of the comments coming from the West, if you engage in violence, you will lose any validity you currently have. We must all remain calm and try to work things out.

At least there is one country supporting Serbia on fair principles.

Princip,
I wish there will be no storm, and never again but you know what they say when elephants fight, its the jungle that shatters.

At the end Kosovo will declare independence and some important country will recognise its status.
The little Yugoslavia is having the same end as the older and bigger Yugoslavia: firstly independence of Montenegro and secondly for Kosovo, hoping that the troubles in Vojvodina and Presevo valley will calm down.

Hi Shukri Gashi

The official name of the province is "Kosovo i Metohija" or "Kosovo and Metohia" when translated into English.

For abbreviation reasons, the term "Kosovo" is often used in the international press. However, browsing international newspapers, you will find many references to the official name "Kosovo and Metohia"

FYI: The United States of America is often referred to as the U.S., for example.

As to the term "Kosova", it is mostly used only by Kosovans, [who claim to have lived in this part of the world since 3000 BC but have, curiously, adopted a Serbian term for "their province".]

I would like you to explain the ethymology of the term "Kosova", unless you agree that it is just the Albanian spelling of the Serbian term Kosovo.

And as to the term "Methojia": it denotes "church land", which you are in the process of destroying.

So, of course, why should you care about that term.

I wish , I pray for Russia to use veto . Don’t take this as a threat but , since you preach about the north of Kosova, then you will get entire non-Albanian population in matter or a day or two. Then ask a question how can Russia help you ?

Princip, perhaps it might be a good idea not to reiterate what you mean by "Win/Win" situation for Kosovo & Metohija. You've used this term many times, but I think we all could benefit again from what that would entail.

laki, are you suggesting that the albanians will ethnically cleanse ALL non-albanians? If that is the case, we have nothing to worry about... since Nato (supposedly the strongest force in the world) is there to prevent violence. Should the situation arise where they are unable or unwilling to do their job they will have to step aside and let someone else who is more capable of dealing with terrorist acts. I believe there is a clause in UN resolution 1244 that allows a certain number of Serbian troops to defend Serbian holy sites. Lets hope they don't have to use this clause anytime soon.

The solution for Kosova is to join Kosova with Albania state than do not need for russian UN Agreement because of Albania is a UN member.
The Cecenian problem should be open again from west and west should support the georgian army to put order in whole own territory. THIS IS THE A BIG SOLUTION.

Sorry, spelling mistake. I meant "it might be a good idea NOW to reiterate what you mean by "Win/Win" situation for Kosovo & Metohija"

"However, in case there is any attempt to impose a solution unacceptable either to Belgrade or Priština, we will not allow such a solution to pass the Security Council."
This sounds like the strongest comment coming from Russia yet. Previously they said they would not support it, now they are saying they will not allow it to pass. Sounds like a threat to actually use their Veto.

+/-,

'Kosovo & Metohija' is the official name?

Lol...maybe in the Serbian constituiton, perhaps.

Not in the Kosovo one...which is what really matters.

+/-.

If you say that Kosovo i Metohia is official name for Kosova i have another question to you.

You, Princip and some other debaters here, often refer to resolution 1244 as a document which determines the Kosovo solution. Can you explain to me how is Kosova called in this resolution "Kosova" or "Kosova i Metohia" or maybe 1244 is not official.

Well, when Russia threats with veto for a proposal "unacceptable either to Belgrade or Priština", I guess they should know that one of these "unacceptable" solutions is Kosovo within Serbia. It is unacceptable to albanians. So logically russians will oppose it. Or not? See now how pointless and weak is the russian way for helping serbs? There is no way Kosovo remains anymore under serbian rule. They occupied our territory. They tried for years to change its demographics, invented a mythical illusion about that territory. The truth is Kosovo, Kosovo Metohija or whatever you call that territory which is just a bite of Albania, do not belongs to serbs. You stole it from us, and now those who have the power to change things are making justice. You will scream and fight a little bit, will post in forums endless lies etc, but at the end of the day, that territory will be not ruled anymore by serbs. Of course as a compromise they will not give back that slice of land to Albania, but, at least those who mistreated the people of that region, will loose the right to do it again.
By the way, France foreign minister said today in prishtina that his country supports Kosovo's independence. But of course, given Serbia is not yet a democratic country, your medias didnt prefere to show to your people this side of the story.
Sweet dreams thiefs.
Sotir Marko
Albania.

If there is violence in Kosovo it will be the Serbs or Albanians fault. Probably the ALbanians because of the KLA. Not RUssia. The UN can not dismember a country against its will peacefully.

dear albanian posters, I can only tell you to read this article, by the way...it´s not written by serbian journalists, or "paid" propaganda-workers...it´s the international herald tribune bringing this...
something you should be suspicious of.. right? :)

and here it is..tadaaaa:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/22/opinion/edcornell.php

that together with the news that Bushie is authorizing the arming of the Republic of Serbia (" because it promotes US-american national interest and world-peace" )...should make you sit down a little bit and think...

cheers.

+/-, KosovA is the Albanian version of Kosovo. No one is denying this. The name was a recent adoption since it was the only way to make a disctinction between Albanians living in Albania and those living in Kosovo.
The old name for Kosovo was Dardania and the people are called Dardani or Dardanians. There is a movement of people who are trying to officially change the name of the province or the country to Republic of Dardania.

P.S. - how do you destroy church land?

Laki,

Why would the non-Albanian population come to northern Kosovo? All you Albanians claim that even the other minorities want independence.

So which is it? You all seem a little dazed and confused.

I have been reading the comments for a while now, I must say that that Princip and Blag predicted what is unfolding now. That Russia will make a stand, and stand for common sense. The Albanians of Kosovo will get 'something' in the end, it will be watered down more that what is currently proposed, but they will have to live with it, because all they have is the threat of using violence, and I must say that this is not enough, especially when the west gets sick of them not willing to compromise away from their independence stand. I salute the principaled stand of the Serbian leaders, irrespective of what party, and I must add that the likes of Cedo Jovanovic have committed political suicide with his comments. I think kosovo should be partitioned, and then we as Serbs can wait for the mood to change in world, which it will and the Alliance with Russia will keep the Serbian nation in good stead. I also think we should slow our eagerness to join the EU, Serbia can enjoy economic prosperity being where it is without being EU. This would teach the Albanians, that they can go the long way or learn how to swim. Lets see what happens, but the mood / balance of the 'superpowers' is changing.

Serbs supported FYROM although the Greeks are fond of Serbia. Nice book Unholy alliance. It proves how clever Greece really is.

What does Europe have to gain by promoting an independant Kosovo? What does Russia have to gain by a veto? Who will ultimately end up being the winners here - The Serbs? The Albanians? Either way, the cost to Europe would be billions as a result of a refugees, humanitarian aid, etc. Folks... the conditions are being set for the partition of the region. The question is, how much will regional stability cost Europe? This was elegantly architected by the both sides. Europe is at a decion point - not the Serbs nor Albanians. Europe needs to decide what it wants to do. This is entirely a EU question.

While bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq, the USA (see remarks made by Mr Bolton) are now inciting Kosovo Albanians urging them to trigger another war on the territory of the soverign state and a loyal member of the UNO - Serbia. That is the main reason standing behind various "status talks" and "comprehensive plans". All other arguments are from "bla-bla" opera.

Reading some comments of some serbs here in this forum reminds me in a story of "Donkey and Wolf".
Wolf was eating lower half of donkeys boddy,and instead of waking up and run, donkey thought all the time "Wish i'm Dreaming".
You serb do so without realizing that Kosovo or maybe you like more "Kosovo&Metohija" does not belong to Serbia from 1999. So sweat dreams,but wake up in time 'cause you have more problems to solve e.g.Sandjak,Vojvodina,East Kosova,atc.etc.
For you Jovo I red that link that you reccomended and saw that was written by some "Silk road" researchers in Kaukasus.Great deal indeed.
And for arming serbs by Bush,to tell you the truth
it doesn't bore me so much,in us albanians is aphorism:"Borrowed weapon or licenced weapon is not yours".

Completely agree with Sotir Marko. Politicians say what they have to say, but very glad that Sotir says things as they are.
Cheers from Kosova!

Hey B92 what gives? I've posted some stuff that doesn't make it in discussions, and maybe that's okay, but you let this Rifat guy post something that is a not-so-subtle threat of violence against Serbs. The implication of his statement is, "We own our weapons and can force you to do our will, while you truly have no way of defending yourselves."

It's disgusting and you should be ashamed of promoting armed violence against Kosovo Serbs.

Hi,MB!
You didn't understand a single word of my coment.
Or you are teached to missunderstand twist words that are not in your favour.
Or learn some more English .

“For you Jovo I red that link that you reccomended and saw that was written by some "Silk road" researchers in Kaukasus.”
Actually they work for John Hopkins University and Uppsala in Sweden. John Hopkins is a very well respected University in the United States. If you don’t see a connection between their area of expertise and the heroin trade routes, then I don’t know what to tell ya.