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Tadić “ready for compromise“

President Boris Tadić says a new government needs to be formed because of Kosovo, adding he is “ready to take the responsibility”.

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konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

(Daniel, Thursday, 22 March, 2007, 00:15)

RE: Krajina Croatia

I am really not going to debate the matter with you and the point of the posting was not Krajina, Croatia.

Mistakes were made on all sides, but Croatia wanted de-facto independance while the Serbian Minority wanted to stay within the federation of Yugoslavia. Franjo Tudjman cleansed the Krajina Serbs from their ancesterol homes while the remnants of the JNA pulled out.

However, the Krajina Serbs did not negotiate an autonomous status which was offered to them by Croatia. The leadership of Babich and Martic can be blamed for stubborness to accept an agreememnt which on paper would have provided protection and autonomy within a Croatian state which was a foregone conclusion led by early recognition of the Vatican and Germany.

Daniel

pre 17 godina

Konstantin Gregovic,

Regarding Croatia/Krajina, the book was in 2002, 5 years on, I think you will find situation is different there than in 2002. However, im all for looking at what happened in Krajina....after all, 200,000 krajina croatians were removed and 5,000 killed prior to operation storm. mayvbe thats why no one really cares about serbian stories about krajina.

people can return, but if you cause a mess, then return, u cant be exactly expected to be received with open arms.

Nicholas Mouroutsos

pre 17 godina

At the 50th anniversary of the EU Europe should play a crucial and major role in terms of settling Kosovo issue.
US and Russia have such a role but not Europe itself.

Let's be open, honest, clear and creative.
It's Europe the one that should be imaginative, willing and efficient enough to form the european solution of the problem, a solution that would guarantee stability, peace and social cohesion. Such a perspective would be positive for Serbs, Albanians, Balkans and Europe in total.

We should all think about the day after which is connected with the development of the region.

The final decision that has to be made has to include human rights and liberties of all sides. It has also to open the road for the assession to the EU and to guarantee the relevant values and principles in order to enjoy democracy and prosperity in Balkans.

Given the above, EU could play a major role on Kosovo issue. Appart of anything else I could see a european perspective offered to Kosovo, as a stimulus for the democratisation and the amelioration of its relations with the neighborhood.

In such a case Kosovo authorities would understand that in order to get an independent state they have to be in assession negotiations with EU.

When EU will be able to conclude that Kosovo fullfills Copenhagen criteria in terms of entering EU, Kosovo will be able to become an independent state.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: Takis Michas
Unholy Alliance-Greece and Serbia

RE-PRINT OF ENTIRE COMMENT

Unholy Alliance: Greece and Serbia in the Nineties (Eastern European Studies (College Station, Tex.), No. 15.)
by Takis Michas
Edition: Hardcover
Price: $29.95

Availability: In Stock
15 used & new from $19.51


15 of 27 people found the following review helpful:

Historical and Modern Untruths-New Age Lies, November 13, 2002

As an intellect of Balkan history I am utterly appalled at the black and white characterization of Greek society "blindly" following the "demonic" Serb Leadership.
Current and past events on the ground speak louder than untruths written my Mr. Michas.

(1) The Serbs/Romani/Gypsi and others in Kosovo have all but been cleansed over 250,000-on a monolithic Albanian country remains-
The current UNMIK leader as requested that the provisional government be scrapped and an independant Kosovo be announced blocking the return of Serbs.

(2) Over 250,000 Serbs in the Krajina/Croatian region have been cleansed and the international community have done little to allow there return.

(3) Mr Michas characterization of the events of FYROM are ridiculous to say the least. Greek foreign policy towards FYROM had absolutely no bearing with Milosevic policy towards FYROM. Quite the contrary, while Greece cointinued to deny recognition of Macedonia, Milosevic already recognized the Republic of Macedonia and a new border was agree upon. Mr Michas does not adequately reveal the historical significance of Macedonia and how revisionist theorists in FYROM have created a pseudo-Macedonian sociey. False teachings and historical innacuracies have been were expanded by Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia with the goal of eventually integrating a confederation joining northern, Greece and Bulgaria. The fact of the matter is that FYROM ethnology is Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek.

So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic, Mitsoutakis et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom,history and Christian Orthodox religion.

I say YES we are and will and the truth will always be the victor.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: Milosevic Actual Kosovo Speech-1989

The speech was conciliatory and no way nationalist.

By the force of social circumstances this great 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo is taking place in a year in which Serbia, after many years, after many decades, has regained its state, national, and spiritual integrity. Therefore, it is not difficult for us to answer today the old question: how are we going to face Milos [Milos Obilic, legendary hero of the Battle of Kosovo]. Through the play of history and life, it seems as if Serbia has, precisely in this year, in 1989, regained its state and its dignity and thus has celebrated an event of the distant past which has a great historical and symbolic significance for its future.

Serbian Character -- Liberational

Today, it is difficult to say what is the historical truth about the Battle of Kosovo and what is legend. Today this is no longer important. Oppressed by pain and filled with hope, the people used to remember and to forget, as, after all, all people in the world do, and it was ashamed of treachery and glorified heroism. Therefore it is difficult to say today whether the Battle of Kosovo was a defeat or a victory for the Serbian people, whether thanks to it we fell into slavery or we survived in this slavery. The answers to those questions will be constantly sought by science and the people. What has been certain through all the centuries until our time today is that disharmony struck Kosovo 600 years ago. If we lost the battle, then this was not only the result of social superiority and the armed advantage of the Ottoman Empire but also of the tragic disunity in the leadership of the Serbian state at that time. In that distant 1389, the Ottoman Empire was not only stronger than that of the Serbs but it was also more fortunate than the Serbian kingdom.

The lack of unity and betrayal in Kosovo will continue to follow the Serbian people like an evil fate through the whole of its history. Even in the last war, this lack of unity and betrayal led the Serbian people and Serbia into agony, the consequences of which in the historical and moral sense exceeded fascist aggression.

Even later, when a socialist Yugoslavia was set up, in this new state the Serbian leadership remained divided, prone to compromise to the detriment of its own people. The concessions that many Serbian leaders made at the expense of their people could not be accepted historically and ethically by any nation in the world, especially because the Serbs have never in the whole of their history conquered and exploited others. Their national and historical being has been liberational throughout the whole of history and through two world wars, as it is today. They liberated themselves and when they could they also helped others to liberate themselves. The fact that in this region they are a major nation is not a Serbian sin or shame; this is an advantage which they have not used against others, but I must say that here, in this big, legendary field of Kosovo, the Serbs have not used the advantage of being great for their own benefit either.

Thanks to their leaders and politicians and their vassal mentality they felt guilty before themselves and others. This situation lasted for decades, it lasted for years and here we are now at the field of Kosovo to say that this is no longer the case.

Unity Will Make Prosperity Possible

Disunity among Serb officials made Serbia lag behind and their inferiority humiliated Serbia. Therefore, no place in Serbia is better suited for saying this than the field of Kosovo and no place in Serbia is better suited than the field of Kosovo for saying that unity in Serbia will bring prosperity to the Serbian people in Serbia and each one of its citizens, irrespective of his national or religious affiliation.

Serbia of today is united and equal to other republics and prepared to do everything to improve its financial and social position and that of all its citizens. If there is unity, cooperation, and seriousness, it will succeed in doing so. This is why the optimism that is now present in Serbia to a considerable extent regarding the future days is realistic, also because it is based on freedom, which makes it possible for all people to express their positive, creative and humane abilities aimed at furthering social and personal life.

Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully.

Socialism in particular, being a progressive and just democratic society, should not allow people to be divided in the national and religious respect. The only differences one can and should allow in socialism are between hard working people and idlers and between honest people and dishonest people. Therefore, all people in Serbia who live from their own work, honestly, respecting other people and other nations, are in their own republic.

Dramatic National Divisions

After all, our entire country should be set up on the basis of such principles. Yugoslavia is a multinational community and it can survive only under the conditions of full equality for all nations that live in it.

The crisis that hit Yugoslavia has brought about national divisions, but also social, cultural, religious and many other less important ones. Among all these divisions, nationalist ones have shown themselves to be the most dramatic. Resolving them will make it easier to remove other divisions and mitigate the consequences they have created.

For as long as multinational communities have existed, their weak point has always been the relations between different nations. The threat is that the question of one nation being endangered by the others can be posed one day -- and this can then start a wave of suspicions, accusations, and intolerance, a wave that invariably grows and is difficult to stop. This threat has been hanging like a sword over our heads all the time. Internal and external enemies of multi-national communities are aware of this and therefore they organize their activity against multinational societies mostly by fomenting national conflicts. At this moment, we in Yugoslavia are behaving as if we have never had such an experience and as if in our recent and distant past we have never experienced the worst tragedy of national conflicts that a society can experience and still survive.

Equal and harmonious relations among Yugoslav peoples are a necessary condition for the existence of Yugoslavia and for it to find its way out of the crisis and, in particular, they are a necessary condition for its economic and social prosperity. In this respect Yugoslavia does not stand out from the social milieu of the contemporary, particularly the developed, world. This world is more and more marked by national tolerance, national cooperation, and even national equality. The modern economic and technological, as well as political and cultural development, has guided various peoples toward each other, has made them interdependent and increasingly has made them equal as well [medjusobno ravnopravni]. Equal and united
people can above all become a part of the civilization toward which mankind is moving. If we cannot be at the head of the column leading to such a civilization, there is certainly no need for us to be at is tail.

At the time when this famous historical battle was fought in Kosovo, the people were looking at the stars, expecting aid from them. Now, 6 centuries later, they are looking at the stars again, waiting to conquer them. On the first occasion, they could allow themselves to be disunited and to have hatred and treason because they lived in smaller, weakly interlinked worlds. Now, as people on this planet, they cannot conquer even their own planet if they are not united, let alone other planets, unless they live in mutual harmony and solidarity.

Therefore, words devoted to unity, solidarity, and cooperation among people have no greater significance anywhere on the soil of our motherland than they have here in the field of Kosovo, which is a symbol of disunity and treason.

In the memory of the Serbian people, this disunity was decisive in causing the loss of the battle and in bringing about the fate which Serbia suffered for a full 6 centuries.

Even if it were not so, from a historical point of view, it remains certain that the people regarded disunity as its greatest disaster. Therefore it is the obligation of the people to remove disunity, so that they may protect themselves from defeats, failures, and stagnation in the future.

Unity brings Back Dignity

This year, the Serbian people became aware of the necessity of their mutual harmony as the indispensable condition for their present life and further development.

I am convinced that this awareness of harmony and unity will make it possible for Serbia not only to function as a state but to function as a successful state. Therefore I think that it makes sense to say this here in Kosovo, where that disunity once upon a time tragically pushed back Serbia for centuries and endangered it, and where renewed unity may advance it and may return dignity to it. Such an awareness about mutual relations constitutes an elementary necessity for Yugoslavia, too, for its fate is in the joined hands of all its peoples. The Kosovo heroism has been inspiring our creativity for 6 centuries, and has been feeding our pride and does not allow us to forget that at one time we were an army great, brave, and proud, one of the few that remained undefeated when losing.

Six centuries later, now, we are being again engaged in battles and are facing battles. They are not armed battles, although such things cannot be excluded yet. However, regardless of what kind of battles they are, they cannot be won without resolve, bravery, and sacrifice, without the noble qualities that were present here in the field of Kosovo in the days past. Our chief battle now concerns implementing the economic, political, cultural, and general social prosperity, finding a quicker and more successful approach to a civilization in which people will live in the 21st century. For this battle, we certainly need heroism, of course of a somewhat different kind, but that courage without which nothing serious and great can be achieved remains unchanged and remains urgently necessary.

Six centuries ago, Serbia heroically defended itself in the field of Kosovo, but it also defended Europe. Serbia was at that time the bastion that defended the European culture, religion, and European society in general. Therefore today it appears not only unjust but even unhistorical and completely absurd to talk about Serbia's belonging to Europe. Serbia has been a part of Europe incessantly, now just as much as it was in the past, of course, in its own way, but in a way that in the historical sense never deprived it of dignity. In this spirit we now endeavor to build a society, rich and democratic, and thus to contribute to the prosperity of this beautiful country, this unjustly suffering country, but also to contribute to the efforts of all the progressive people of our age that they make for a better and happier world.

Let the memory of Kosovo heroism live forever!

Long live Serbia!

Long live Yugoslavia!

Long live peace and brotherhood among peoples!

Joker

pre 17 godina

Speak for your self ?????

Clearly you don't follow every day Serbia, try following the economy and how Serbia is leaving Albania in the dust despite a large civil war in the last decade and years of sanctions.

Mr. K is no nationalist what makes you think he is?

does he promote Serbian expansion in B&H or Croatia or something? have you heard this?

Nope, so grow up. The "Nationalist" thing is REALLY old!!!

No he does what is in SERBIA'S interests and protecting our land it our interest, thank god we don't have LDP party in charge then there would be no Serbia....


Considering YOUR country I wouldn't say a word about politicians or politics its to bad for you your government cant function together, the only time Albania was ever truly united as a government was under your dictator...

as for Kosovo...weather you proclaim independence it will never be truly independent, Serbia could still be the only country not to recognize it but still it would never be as independent as you would like....NOT with out our blessing....weather you like it or not..

Have a nice day :)

????

pre 17 godina

Serbian president have very little power according to Serbian constitution. He should not take others job. Let Kostunica continue and everything will be OK. Kostunica is a master of spoiling everything and once again he will prove that people who Serbs consider heroes, e.g. Milosevic and Kostunica, have indeed been a tragedy for Serbs.

I am glad in a way Serbia is being leaded by a nationalist like Kostunica since this will remind the world how Serbian elected politicians really think and how much they hate Albanians. Kostunica have become the symbol of Albanofobia in Serbia and at the same time he is prime minister of Serbia.

To konstatin: Was that you who wrote following at amazon.com: "So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom, history and Christian Orthodox religion. I say YES we are"

This sentence says a lot about you. You consider murders like Mladic and Karadzic heroes.

Like it or not Kosovo is gonig to become independent during this year.

Brian

pre 17 godina

Kostunica is going to be Prime Minister.

Kosovo independence would mean chaos in the Balkans and chaos in the Presevo valley of Serbia and Macedonia. Total chaos for years.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: United Serbia

It is good to hear that Serbian politians are putting up a united stand against the stealing of Serbian land.

Boris Tadic should represent Serbian interests well. Serbian land should not be given up at the threat of Kosovo Albanian extremism.

The Russian advice should be taken seriously and more negotiation is needed.

Nicholas Mouroutsos

pre 17 godina

At the 50th anniversary of the EU Europe should play a crucial and major role in terms of settling Kosovo issue.
US and Russia have such a role but not Europe itself.

Let's be open, honest, clear and creative.
It's Europe the one that should be imaginative, willing and efficient enough to form the european solution of the problem, a solution that would guarantee stability, peace and social cohesion. Such a perspective would be positive for Serbs, Albanians, Balkans and Europe in total.

We should all think about the day after which is connected with the development of the region.

The final decision that has to be made has to include human rights and liberties of all sides. It has also to open the road for the assession to the EU and to guarantee the relevant values and principles in order to enjoy democracy and prosperity in Balkans.

Given the above, EU could play a major role on Kosovo issue. Appart of anything else I could see a european perspective offered to Kosovo, as a stimulus for the democratisation and the amelioration of its relations with the neighborhood.

In such a case Kosovo authorities would understand that in order to get an independent state they have to be in assession negotiations with EU.

When EU will be able to conclude that Kosovo fullfills Copenhagen criteria in terms of entering EU, Kosovo will be able to become an independent state.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: United Serbia

It is good to hear that Serbian politians are putting up a united stand against the stealing of Serbian land.

Boris Tadic should represent Serbian interests well. Serbian land should not be given up at the threat of Kosovo Albanian extremism.

The Russian advice should be taken seriously and more negotiation is needed.

Brian

pre 17 godina

Kostunica is going to be Prime Minister.

Kosovo independence would mean chaos in the Balkans and chaos in the Presevo valley of Serbia and Macedonia. Total chaos for years.

????

pre 17 godina

Serbian president have very little power according to Serbian constitution. He should not take others job. Let Kostunica continue and everything will be OK. Kostunica is a master of spoiling everything and once again he will prove that people who Serbs consider heroes, e.g. Milosevic and Kostunica, have indeed been a tragedy for Serbs.

I am glad in a way Serbia is being leaded by a nationalist like Kostunica since this will remind the world how Serbian elected politicians really think and how much they hate Albanians. Kostunica have become the symbol of Albanofobia in Serbia and at the same time he is prime minister of Serbia.

To konstatin: Was that you who wrote following at amazon.com: "So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom, history and Christian Orthodox religion. I say YES we are"

This sentence says a lot about you. You consider murders like Mladic and Karadzic heroes.

Like it or not Kosovo is gonig to become independent during this year.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: Takis Michas
Unholy Alliance-Greece and Serbia

RE-PRINT OF ENTIRE COMMENT

Unholy Alliance: Greece and Serbia in the Nineties (Eastern European Studies (College Station, Tex.), No. 15.)
by Takis Michas
Edition: Hardcover
Price: $29.95

Availability: In Stock
15 used & new from $19.51


15 of 27 people found the following review helpful:

Historical and Modern Untruths-New Age Lies, November 13, 2002

As an intellect of Balkan history I am utterly appalled at the black and white characterization of Greek society "blindly" following the "demonic" Serb Leadership.
Current and past events on the ground speak louder than untruths written my Mr. Michas.

(1) The Serbs/Romani/Gypsi and others in Kosovo have all but been cleansed over 250,000-on a monolithic Albanian country remains-
The current UNMIK leader as requested that the provisional government be scrapped and an independant Kosovo be announced blocking the return of Serbs.

(2) Over 250,000 Serbs in the Krajina/Croatian region have been cleansed and the international community have done little to allow there return.

(3) Mr Michas characterization of the events of FYROM are ridiculous to say the least. Greek foreign policy towards FYROM had absolutely no bearing with Milosevic policy towards FYROM. Quite the contrary, while Greece cointinued to deny recognition of Macedonia, Milosevic already recognized the Republic of Macedonia and a new border was agree upon. Mr Michas does not adequately reveal the historical significance of Macedonia and how revisionist theorists in FYROM have created a pseudo-Macedonian sociey. False teachings and historical innacuracies have been were expanded by Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia with the goal of eventually integrating a confederation joining northern, Greece and Bulgaria. The fact of the matter is that FYROM ethnology is Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek.

So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic, Mitsoutakis et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom,history and Christian Orthodox religion.

I say YES we are and will and the truth will always be the victor.

Joker

pre 17 godina

Speak for your self ?????

Clearly you don't follow every day Serbia, try following the economy and how Serbia is leaving Albania in the dust despite a large civil war in the last decade and years of sanctions.

Mr. K is no nationalist what makes you think he is?

does he promote Serbian expansion in B&H or Croatia or something? have you heard this?

Nope, so grow up. The "Nationalist" thing is REALLY old!!!

No he does what is in SERBIA'S interests and protecting our land it our interest, thank god we don't have LDP party in charge then there would be no Serbia....


Considering YOUR country I wouldn't say a word about politicians or politics its to bad for you your government cant function together, the only time Albania was ever truly united as a government was under your dictator...

as for Kosovo...weather you proclaim independence it will never be truly independent, Serbia could still be the only country not to recognize it but still it would never be as independent as you would like....NOT with out our blessing....weather you like it or not..

Have a nice day :)

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: Milosevic Actual Kosovo Speech-1989

The speech was conciliatory and no way nationalist.

By the force of social circumstances this great 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo is taking place in a year in which Serbia, after many years, after many decades, has regained its state, national, and spiritual integrity. Therefore, it is not difficult for us to answer today the old question: how are we going to face Milos [Milos Obilic, legendary hero of the Battle of Kosovo]. Through the play of history and life, it seems as if Serbia has, precisely in this year, in 1989, regained its state and its dignity and thus has celebrated an event of the distant past which has a great historical and symbolic significance for its future.

Serbian Character -- Liberational

Today, it is difficult to say what is the historical truth about the Battle of Kosovo and what is legend. Today this is no longer important. Oppressed by pain and filled with hope, the people used to remember and to forget, as, after all, all people in the world do, and it was ashamed of treachery and glorified heroism. Therefore it is difficult to say today whether the Battle of Kosovo was a defeat or a victory for the Serbian people, whether thanks to it we fell into slavery or we survived in this slavery. The answers to those questions will be constantly sought by science and the people. What has been certain through all the centuries until our time today is that disharmony struck Kosovo 600 years ago. If we lost the battle, then this was not only the result of social superiority and the armed advantage of the Ottoman Empire but also of the tragic disunity in the leadership of the Serbian state at that time. In that distant 1389, the Ottoman Empire was not only stronger than that of the Serbs but it was also more fortunate than the Serbian kingdom.

The lack of unity and betrayal in Kosovo will continue to follow the Serbian people like an evil fate through the whole of its history. Even in the last war, this lack of unity and betrayal led the Serbian people and Serbia into agony, the consequences of which in the historical and moral sense exceeded fascist aggression.

Even later, when a socialist Yugoslavia was set up, in this new state the Serbian leadership remained divided, prone to compromise to the detriment of its own people. The concessions that many Serbian leaders made at the expense of their people could not be accepted historically and ethically by any nation in the world, especially because the Serbs have never in the whole of their history conquered and exploited others. Their national and historical being has been liberational throughout the whole of history and through two world wars, as it is today. They liberated themselves and when they could they also helped others to liberate themselves. The fact that in this region they are a major nation is not a Serbian sin or shame; this is an advantage which they have not used against others, but I must say that here, in this big, legendary field of Kosovo, the Serbs have not used the advantage of being great for their own benefit either.

Thanks to their leaders and politicians and their vassal mentality they felt guilty before themselves and others. This situation lasted for decades, it lasted for years and here we are now at the field of Kosovo to say that this is no longer the case.

Unity Will Make Prosperity Possible

Disunity among Serb officials made Serbia lag behind and their inferiority humiliated Serbia. Therefore, no place in Serbia is better suited for saying this than the field of Kosovo and no place in Serbia is better suited than the field of Kosovo for saying that unity in Serbia will bring prosperity to the Serbian people in Serbia and each one of its citizens, irrespective of his national or religious affiliation.

Serbia of today is united and equal to other republics and prepared to do everything to improve its financial and social position and that of all its citizens. If there is unity, cooperation, and seriousness, it will succeed in doing so. This is why the optimism that is now present in Serbia to a considerable extent regarding the future days is realistic, also because it is based on freedom, which makes it possible for all people to express their positive, creative and humane abilities aimed at furthering social and personal life.

Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully.

Socialism in particular, being a progressive and just democratic society, should not allow people to be divided in the national and religious respect. The only differences one can and should allow in socialism are between hard working people and idlers and between honest people and dishonest people. Therefore, all people in Serbia who live from their own work, honestly, respecting other people and other nations, are in their own republic.

Dramatic National Divisions

After all, our entire country should be set up on the basis of such principles. Yugoslavia is a multinational community and it can survive only under the conditions of full equality for all nations that live in it.

The crisis that hit Yugoslavia has brought about national divisions, but also social, cultural, religious and many other less important ones. Among all these divisions, nationalist ones have shown themselves to be the most dramatic. Resolving them will make it easier to remove other divisions and mitigate the consequences they have created.

For as long as multinational communities have existed, their weak point has always been the relations between different nations. The threat is that the question of one nation being endangered by the others can be posed one day -- and this can then start a wave of suspicions, accusations, and intolerance, a wave that invariably grows and is difficult to stop. This threat has been hanging like a sword over our heads all the time. Internal and external enemies of multi-national communities are aware of this and therefore they organize their activity against multinational societies mostly by fomenting national conflicts. At this moment, we in Yugoslavia are behaving as if we have never had such an experience and as if in our recent and distant past we have never experienced the worst tragedy of national conflicts that a society can experience and still survive.

Equal and harmonious relations among Yugoslav peoples are a necessary condition for the existence of Yugoslavia and for it to find its way out of the crisis and, in particular, they are a necessary condition for its economic and social prosperity. In this respect Yugoslavia does not stand out from the social milieu of the contemporary, particularly the developed, world. This world is more and more marked by national tolerance, national cooperation, and even national equality. The modern economic and technological, as well as political and cultural development, has guided various peoples toward each other, has made them interdependent and increasingly has made them equal as well [medjusobno ravnopravni]. Equal and united
people can above all become a part of the civilization toward which mankind is moving. If we cannot be at the head of the column leading to such a civilization, there is certainly no need for us to be at is tail.

At the time when this famous historical battle was fought in Kosovo, the people were looking at the stars, expecting aid from them. Now, 6 centuries later, they are looking at the stars again, waiting to conquer them. On the first occasion, they could allow themselves to be disunited and to have hatred and treason because they lived in smaller, weakly interlinked worlds. Now, as people on this planet, they cannot conquer even their own planet if they are not united, let alone other planets, unless they live in mutual harmony and solidarity.

Therefore, words devoted to unity, solidarity, and cooperation among people have no greater significance anywhere on the soil of our motherland than they have here in the field of Kosovo, which is a symbol of disunity and treason.

In the memory of the Serbian people, this disunity was decisive in causing the loss of the battle and in bringing about the fate which Serbia suffered for a full 6 centuries.

Even if it were not so, from a historical point of view, it remains certain that the people regarded disunity as its greatest disaster. Therefore it is the obligation of the people to remove disunity, so that they may protect themselves from defeats, failures, and stagnation in the future.

Unity brings Back Dignity

This year, the Serbian people became aware of the necessity of their mutual harmony as the indispensable condition for their present life and further development.

I am convinced that this awareness of harmony and unity will make it possible for Serbia not only to function as a state but to function as a successful state. Therefore I think that it makes sense to say this here in Kosovo, where that disunity once upon a time tragically pushed back Serbia for centuries and endangered it, and where renewed unity may advance it and may return dignity to it. Such an awareness about mutual relations constitutes an elementary necessity for Yugoslavia, too, for its fate is in the joined hands of all its peoples. The Kosovo heroism has been inspiring our creativity for 6 centuries, and has been feeding our pride and does not allow us to forget that at one time we were an army great, brave, and proud, one of the few that remained undefeated when losing.

Six centuries later, now, we are being again engaged in battles and are facing battles. They are not armed battles, although such things cannot be excluded yet. However, regardless of what kind of battles they are, they cannot be won without resolve, bravery, and sacrifice, without the noble qualities that were present here in the field of Kosovo in the days past. Our chief battle now concerns implementing the economic, political, cultural, and general social prosperity, finding a quicker and more successful approach to a civilization in which people will live in the 21st century. For this battle, we certainly need heroism, of course of a somewhat different kind, but that courage without which nothing serious and great can be achieved remains unchanged and remains urgently necessary.

Six centuries ago, Serbia heroically defended itself in the field of Kosovo, but it also defended Europe. Serbia was at that time the bastion that defended the European culture, religion, and European society in general. Therefore today it appears not only unjust but even unhistorical and completely absurd to talk about Serbia's belonging to Europe. Serbia has been a part of Europe incessantly, now just as much as it was in the past, of course, in its own way, but in a way that in the historical sense never deprived it of dignity. In this spirit we now endeavor to build a society, rich and democratic, and thus to contribute to the prosperity of this beautiful country, this unjustly suffering country, but also to contribute to the efforts of all the progressive people of our age that they make for a better and happier world.

Let the memory of Kosovo heroism live forever!

Long live Serbia!

Long live Yugoslavia!

Long live peace and brotherhood among peoples!

Daniel

pre 17 godina

Konstantin Gregovic,

Regarding Croatia/Krajina, the book was in 2002, 5 years on, I think you will find situation is different there than in 2002. However, im all for looking at what happened in Krajina....after all, 200,000 krajina croatians were removed and 5,000 killed prior to operation storm. mayvbe thats why no one really cares about serbian stories about krajina.

people can return, but if you cause a mess, then return, u cant be exactly expected to be received with open arms.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

(Daniel, Thursday, 22 March, 2007, 00:15)

RE: Krajina Croatia

I am really not going to debate the matter with you and the point of the posting was not Krajina, Croatia.

Mistakes were made on all sides, but Croatia wanted de-facto independance while the Serbian Minority wanted to stay within the federation of Yugoslavia. Franjo Tudjman cleansed the Krajina Serbs from their ancesterol homes while the remnants of the JNA pulled out.

However, the Krajina Serbs did not negotiate an autonomous status which was offered to them by Croatia. The leadership of Babich and Martic can be blamed for stubborness to accept an agreememnt which on paper would have provided protection and autonomy within a Croatian state which was a foregone conclusion led by early recognition of the Vatican and Germany.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: United Serbia

It is good to hear that Serbian politians are putting up a united stand against the stealing of Serbian land.

Boris Tadic should represent Serbian interests well. Serbian land should not be given up at the threat of Kosovo Albanian extremism.

The Russian advice should be taken seriously and more negotiation is needed.

Brian

pre 17 godina

Kostunica is going to be Prime Minister.

Kosovo independence would mean chaos in the Balkans and chaos in the Presevo valley of Serbia and Macedonia. Total chaos for years.

????

pre 17 godina

Serbian president have very little power according to Serbian constitution. He should not take others job. Let Kostunica continue and everything will be OK. Kostunica is a master of spoiling everything and once again he will prove that people who Serbs consider heroes, e.g. Milosevic and Kostunica, have indeed been a tragedy for Serbs.

I am glad in a way Serbia is being leaded by a nationalist like Kostunica since this will remind the world how Serbian elected politicians really think and how much they hate Albanians. Kostunica have become the symbol of Albanofobia in Serbia and at the same time he is prime minister of Serbia.

To konstatin: Was that you who wrote following at amazon.com: "So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom, history and Christian Orthodox religion. I say YES we are"

This sentence says a lot about you. You consider murders like Mladic and Karadzic heroes.

Like it or not Kosovo is gonig to become independent during this year.

Konstantin Gregovic

pre 17 godina

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Historical and Modern Untruths-New Age Lies, November 13, 2002

As an intellect of Balkan history I am utterly appalled at the black and white characterization of Greek society "blindly" following the "demonic" Serb Leadership.
Current and past events on the ground speak louder than untruths written my Mr. Michas.

(1) The Serbs/Romani/Gypsi and others in Kosovo have all but been cleansed over 250,000-on a monolithic Albanian country remains-
The current UNMIK leader as requested that the provisional government be scrapped and an independant Kosovo be announced blocking the return of Serbs.

(2) Over 250,000 Serbs in the Krajina/Croatian region have been cleansed and the international community have done little to allow there return.

(3) Mr Michas characterization of the events of FYROM are ridiculous to say the least. Greek foreign policy towards FYROM had absolutely no bearing with Milosevic policy towards FYROM. Quite the contrary, while Greece cointinued to deny recognition of Macedonia, Milosevic already recognized the Republic of Macedonia and a new border was agree upon. Mr Michas does not adequately reveal the historical significance of Macedonia and how revisionist theorists in FYROM have created a pseudo-Macedonian sociey. False teachings and historical innacuracies have been were expanded by Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia with the goal of eventually integrating a confederation joining northern, Greece and Bulgaria. The fact of the matter is that FYROM ethnology is Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek.

So, according to Mr Michas, Karadzic, Mladic, Milosevic, Mitsoutakis et al are not allowed to defend there citizens, homeland, freedom,history and Christian Orthodox religion.

I say YES we are and will and the truth will always be the victor.

Joker

pre 17 godina

Speak for your self ?????

Clearly you don't follow every day Serbia, try following the economy and how Serbia is leaving Albania in the dust despite a large civil war in the last decade and years of sanctions.

Mr. K is no nationalist what makes you think he is?

does he promote Serbian expansion in B&H or Croatia or something? have you heard this?

Nope, so grow up. The "Nationalist" thing is REALLY old!!!

No he does what is in SERBIA'S interests and protecting our land it our interest, thank god we don't have LDP party in charge then there would be no Serbia....


Considering YOUR country I wouldn't say a word about politicians or politics its to bad for you your government cant function together, the only time Albania was ever truly united as a government was under your dictator...

as for Kosovo...weather you proclaim independence it will never be truly independent, Serbia could still be the only country not to recognize it but still it would never be as independent as you would like....NOT with out our blessing....weather you like it or not..

Have a nice day :)

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: Milosevic Actual Kosovo Speech-1989

The speech was conciliatory and no way nationalist.

By the force of social circumstances this great 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo is taking place in a year in which Serbia, after many years, after many decades, has regained its state, national, and spiritual integrity. Therefore, it is not difficult for us to answer today the old question: how are we going to face Milos [Milos Obilic, legendary hero of the Battle of Kosovo]. Through the play of history and life, it seems as if Serbia has, precisely in this year, in 1989, regained its state and its dignity and thus has celebrated an event of the distant past which has a great historical and symbolic significance for its future.

Serbian Character -- Liberational

Today, it is difficult to say what is the historical truth about the Battle of Kosovo and what is legend. Today this is no longer important. Oppressed by pain and filled with hope, the people used to remember and to forget, as, after all, all people in the world do, and it was ashamed of treachery and glorified heroism. Therefore it is difficult to say today whether the Battle of Kosovo was a defeat or a victory for the Serbian people, whether thanks to it we fell into slavery or we survived in this slavery. The answers to those questions will be constantly sought by science and the people. What has been certain through all the centuries until our time today is that disharmony struck Kosovo 600 years ago. If we lost the battle, then this was not only the result of social superiority and the armed advantage of the Ottoman Empire but also of the tragic disunity in the leadership of the Serbian state at that time. In that distant 1389, the Ottoman Empire was not only stronger than that of the Serbs but it was also more fortunate than the Serbian kingdom.

The lack of unity and betrayal in Kosovo will continue to follow the Serbian people like an evil fate through the whole of its history. Even in the last war, this lack of unity and betrayal led the Serbian people and Serbia into agony, the consequences of which in the historical and moral sense exceeded fascist aggression.

Even later, when a socialist Yugoslavia was set up, in this new state the Serbian leadership remained divided, prone to compromise to the detriment of its own people. The concessions that many Serbian leaders made at the expense of their people could not be accepted historically and ethically by any nation in the world, especially because the Serbs have never in the whole of their history conquered and exploited others. Their national and historical being has been liberational throughout the whole of history and through two world wars, as it is today. They liberated themselves and when they could they also helped others to liberate themselves. The fact that in this region they are a major nation is not a Serbian sin or shame; this is an advantage which they have not used against others, but I must say that here, in this big, legendary field of Kosovo, the Serbs have not used the advantage of being great for their own benefit either.

Thanks to their leaders and politicians and their vassal mentality they felt guilty before themselves and others. This situation lasted for decades, it lasted for years and here we are now at the field of Kosovo to say that this is no longer the case.

Unity Will Make Prosperity Possible

Disunity among Serb officials made Serbia lag behind and their inferiority humiliated Serbia. Therefore, no place in Serbia is better suited for saying this than the field of Kosovo and no place in Serbia is better suited than the field of Kosovo for saying that unity in Serbia will bring prosperity to the Serbian people in Serbia and each one of its citizens, irrespective of his national or religious affiliation.

Serbia of today is united and equal to other republics and prepared to do everything to improve its financial and social position and that of all its citizens. If there is unity, cooperation, and seriousness, it will succeed in doing so. This is why the optimism that is now present in Serbia to a considerable extent regarding the future days is realistic, also because it is based on freedom, which makes it possible for all people to express their positive, creative and humane abilities aimed at furthering social and personal life.

Serbia has never had only Serbs living in it. Today, more than in the past, members of other peoples and nationalities also live in it. This is not a disadvantage for Serbia. I am truly convinced that it is its advantage. National composition of almost all countries in the world today, particularly developed ones, has also been changing in this direction. Citizens of different nationalities, religions, and races have been living together more and more frequently and more and more successfully.

Socialism in particular, being a progressive and just democratic society, should not allow people to be divided in the national and religious respect. The only differences one can and should allow in socialism are between hard working people and idlers and between honest people and dishonest people. Therefore, all people in Serbia who live from their own work, honestly, respecting other people and other nations, are in their own republic.

Dramatic National Divisions

After all, our entire country should be set up on the basis of such principles. Yugoslavia is a multinational community and it can survive only under the conditions of full equality for all nations that live in it.

The crisis that hit Yugoslavia has brought about national divisions, but also social, cultural, religious and many other less important ones. Among all these divisions, nationalist ones have shown themselves to be the most dramatic. Resolving them will make it easier to remove other divisions and mitigate the consequences they have created.

For as long as multinational communities have existed, their weak point has always been the relations between different nations. The threat is that the question of one nation being endangered by the others can be posed one day -- and this can then start a wave of suspicions, accusations, and intolerance, a wave that invariably grows and is difficult to stop. This threat has been hanging like a sword over our heads all the time. Internal and external enemies of multi-national communities are aware of this and therefore they organize their activity against multinational societies mostly by fomenting national conflicts. At this moment, we in Yugoslavia are behaving as if we have never had such an experience and as if in our recent and distant past we have never experienced the worst tragedy of national conflicts that a society can experience and still survive.

Equal and harmonious relations among Yugoslav peoples are a necessary condition for the existence of Yugoslavia and for it to find its way out of the crisis and, in particular, they are a necessary condition for its economic and social prosperity. In this respect Yugoslavia does not stand out from the social milieu of the contemporary, particularly the developed, world. This world is more and more marked by national tolerance, national cooperation, and even national equality. The modern economic and technological, as well as political and cultural development, has guided various peoples toward each other, has made them interdependent and increasingly has made them equal as well [medjusobno ravnopravni]. Equal and united
people can above all become a part of the civilization toward which mankind is moving. If we cannot be at the head of the column leading to such a civilization, there is certainly no need for us to be at is tail.

At the time when this famous historical battle was fought in Kosovo, the people were looking at the stars, expecting aid from them. Now, 6 centuries later, they are looking at the stars again, waiting to conquer them. On the first occasion, they could allow themselves to be disunited and to have hatred and treason because they lived in smaller, weakly interlinked worlds. Now, as people on this planet, they cannot conquer even their own planet if they are not united, let alone other planets, unless they live in mutual harmony and solidarity.

Therefore, words devoted to unity, solidarity, and cooperation among people have no greater significance anywhere on the soil of our motherland than they have here in the field of Kosovo, which is a symbol of disunity and treason.

In the memory of the Serbian people, this disunity was decisive in causing the loss of the battle and in bringing about the fate which Serbia suffered for a full 6 centuries.

Even if it were not so, from a historical point of view, it remains certain that the people regarded disunity as its greatest disaster. Therefore it is the obligation of the people to remove disunity, so that they may protect themselves from defeats, failures, and stagnation in the future.

Unity brings Back Dignity

This year, the Serbian people became aware of the necessity of their mutual harmony as the indispensable condition for their present life and further development.

I am convinced that this awareness of harmony and unity will make it possible for Serbia not only to function as a state but to function as a successful state. Therefore I think that it makes sense to say this here in Kosovo, where that disunity once upon a time tragically pushed back Serbia for centuries and endangered it, and where renewed unity may advance it and may return dignity to it. Such an awareness about mutual relations constitutes an elementary necessity for Yugoslavia, too, for its fate is in the joined hands of all its peoples. The Kosovo heroism has been inspiring our creativity for 6 centuries, and has been feeding our pride and does not allow us to forget that at one time we were an army great, brave, and proud, one of the few that remained undefeated when losing.

Six centuries later, now, we are being again engaged in battles and are facing battles. They are not armed battles, although such things cannot be excluded yet. However, regardless of what kind of battles they are, they cannot be won without resolve, bravery, and sacrifice, without the noble qualities that were present here in the field of Kosovo in the days past. Our chief battle now concerns implementing the economic, political, cultural, and general social prosperity, finding a quicker and more successful approach to a civilization in which people will live in the 21st century. For this battle, we certainly need heroism, of course of a somewhat different kind, but that courage without which nothing serious and great can be achieved remains unchanged and remains urgently necessary.

Six centuries ago, Serbia heroically defended itself in the field of Kosovo, but it also defended Europe. Serbia was at that time the bastion that defended the European culture, religion, and European society in general. Therefore today it appears not only unjust but even unhistorical and completely absurd to talk about Serbia's belonging to Europe. Serbia has been a part of Europe incessantly, now just as much as it was in the past, of course, in its own way, but in a way that in the historical sense never deprived it of dignity. In this spirit we now endeavor to build a society, rich and democratic, and thus to contribute to the prosperity of this beautiful country, this unjustly suffering country, but also to contribute to the efforts of all the progressive people of our age that they make for a better and happier world.

Let the memory of Kosovo heroism live forever!

Long live Serbia!

Long live Yugoslavia!

Long live peace and brotherhood among peoples!

Nicholas Mouroutsos

pre 17 godina

At the 50th anniversary of the EU Europe should play a crucial and major role in terms of settling Kosovo issue.
US and Russia have such a role but not Europe itself.

Let's be open, honest, clear and creative.
It's Europe the one that should be imaginative, willing and efficient enough to form the european solution of the problem, a solution that would guarantee stability, peace and social cohesion. Such a perspective would be positive for Serbs, Albanians, Balkans and Europe in total.

We should all think about the day after which is connected with the development of the region.

The final decision that has to be made has to include human rights and liberties of all sides. It has also to open the road for the assession to the EU and to guarantee the relevant values and principles in order to enjoy democracy and prosperity in Balkans.

Given the above, EU could play a major role on Kosovo issue. Appart of anything else I could see a european perspective offered to Kosovo, as a stimulus for the democratisation and the amelioration of its relations with the neighborhood.

In such a case Kosovo authorities would understand that in order to get an independent state they have to be in assession negotiations with EU.

When EU will be able to conclude that Kosovo fullfills Copenhagen criteria in terms of entering EU, Kosovo will be able to become an independent state.

Daniel

pre 17 godina

Konstantin Gregovic,

Regarding Croatia/Krajina, the book was in 2002, 5 years on, I think you will find situation is different there than in 2002. However, im all for looking at what happened in Krajina....after all, 200,000 krajina croatians were removed and 5,000 killed prior to operation storm. mayvbe thats why no one really cares about serbian stories about krajina.

people can return, but if you cause a mess, then return, u cant be exactly expected to be received with open arms.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

(Daniel, Thursday, 22 March, 2007, 00:15)

RE: Krajina Croatia

I am really not going to debate the matter with you and the point of the posting was not Krajina, Croatia.

Mistakes were made on all sides, but Croatia wanted de-facto independance while the Serbian Minority wanted to stay within the federation of Yugoslavia. Franjo Tudjman cleansed the Krajina Serbs from their ancesterol homes while the remnants of the JNA pulled out.

However, the Krajina Serbs did not negotiate an autonomous status which was offered to them by Croatia. The leadership of Babich and Martic can be blamed for stubborness to accept an agreememnt which on paper would have provided protection and autonomy within a Croatian state which was a foregone conclusion led by early recognition of the Vatican and Germany.