ida: you must have read the SRS party pamphlets about the war in Kosovo, as you are not aware of the facts which not even the state of Serbia is hiding. The killed and transported corpses of Albanians from Kosovo to Serbia were not KLA soldiers, as they clearly were of different ages and sex. You are lucky to not have seen videos and footages from those graves, then. But please do not ironize, or ridicule the real situation. These stories are just another fact why Kosovo should NEVER again have any ties to Serbia. regards,
Never heard the name of one woman or child in these alleged graves in Serbia. Seems to me they are recycled KLA bodies (or parts of bodies).
They were discovered after the puppet government overthrew Milosevic and about the very day he was transfered to the Hague.
I think the current government simply accepted body parts dug up by the UN of those killed during the war (in battle) and then said voila here are the graves.
Never was there any video footage or pictoral footage of the graves. Nor is there a full list of names, but those I've seen are all military-aged men.
There's also little mentioned about the Roma killed in Kosovo by the Albanians. The Roma have claimed over 800 had been killed by 2001. Some of these have Albanian names.
Roma have also stated their dead killed by the KLA have been put on lists by Albanians and claimed to be Albanians killed by Serbs.
In any event the number killed is many times less than the propaganda.
Even added the entire missing to the dead found, it is less than 5,000 total for all ethnic groups, for a time period from 1998-2002.
ftm:
Well, for the sake of discussion, I'll assume your questions are not rhetorical. Serbia may not be run in a very manner, but few places are. But Serbia cannot be accused of not being peaceful toward its neighbors. I would even say that Belgrade is peaceful with respect to its dealings with Pristina. It simply doesn't agree with prevalent thought in Pristina.
It is not clear whether war criminals are being protected by the Belgrade regime, and indeed there is significant evidence that courts in Serbia, which I otherwise have little respect for, are prosecuting its own war crime suspects. This already places Serbia above average (in ex-yuogo space) when it comes to reconciling with the past human rights violations. As far as recognizing genocide, it is important for all parties in conflict to recognize all violations of human rights and war crimes. One can hardly blame any party to the conflict for not taking the rap while others are not brought before justice. The investigstions system needs to be made more transparent, so that all parties at least have a chance to believe that grievance on all sides are bing addressed. Naturally, this will lead to one side or another, or another, or another, being found responsible for "more crime events" than others, but I contend that a)we should not prejudice which side that will turn out to be and b) we should not place too much importance on imbalance. All sane people know that war crimes are commited by all sides in armed conflict. The principle typically employed in prisoner exchanges should be applied, "all for all". This is a tough priciple to introduce out of the blue, but it has been part of a code within some armed services for quite some time. It's a shame it may be outdated, but applying such a principle to casualites of war would incite the parties in conflict to cause fewer civilian casualties, knowing that otherwise they would simply have more to account for later. A can't speak to the issue of mines. Sorry. They are nasty cowardly buggers that should be outlawed without exception. As for not cooperating with governments, people tend to copperate with governments they have themsleves put in power. so who can really blame Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo for having serious reservations about how business is conducted there. After all, K-Albanians are not satisfied with how UNMIK is running things and nobody is denying them the right to protest peacefully against it. As far as promises the K-Albanians would live freely an peacefully in a Kosova within Serbia, well, everyone has the right to disagree or agree. One should perhaps look to evidence, where possible, to gain insight. On the surface, for example, it seems that at least some people of all ethnicities are satisfied with how things are run in Presevo and Bujanovac. I'm no expert, but I believe the example is worth taking into consideration. I'm unaware of any such examples in Kosovo, but perhaps you can educate me on this. Regards.
According to Kostunica today, Srbija is a democratic, peaceful country.
Well, can somebody explain how is it possible that Srbija hides so many war criminals within their borders, does not recognize genocide, does not tell where are the bodies of thousands of albanians, bosnians and croats, does not cooperate to remove the mine fields in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia, still urges people in Bosnia and Kosovo to not cooperate with their governments and does all of the other things a democratic country should not do?
And than he has the guts to tell the albanians in Kosovo that they will live peacefully and free in democratic Srbija?
Mr. Kostunica, start firstly with recognising the genocide, finding the faith of missing persons - albanians, serbs, and others, start delivering the mine field maps and than start thinking about everything you are doing wrong. Start treating neightbours like neightbours, start learning what a democracy means.
Perhaps than you will find out how great the peace is, learn that living in peace means all together living in peace, not only serbs in Srbija.
As I mentioned in a previous posting: How can there be peace and cooperation between Pristina and Belgrade if the war crimes issue is not resolved? And how can the war crimes issue be resolved if decision on the status issue alienates Belgrade and Pristina even further? Quite literally, keeping history buried doesn't help.
Here we are with Serbia openly talking about mass graves, yet they are not responsible for genoicide. I find that to be funny. The people of Kosova deserve their freedom, and most historical people say that the Albanians are actually the originial inhabitants of Kosovo, Albania, Parts of Greece, and half of Macedonia, its a shame how they were divided as a nation in to four different countries, and then oppressed for so long. Long live KOSOVA!!!!
Here we are with Serbia openly talking about mass graves, yet they are not responsible for genoicide. I find that to be funny. The people of Kosova deserve their freedom, and most historical people say that the Albanians are actually the originial inhabitants of Kosovo, Albania, Parts of Greece, and half of Macedonia, its a shame how they were divided as a nation in to four different countries, and then oppressed for so long. Long live KOSOVA!!!!
As I mentioned in a previous posting: How can there be peace and cooperation between Pristina and Belgrade if the war crimes issue is not resolved? And how can the war crimes issue be resolved if decision on the status issue alienates Belgrade and Pristina even further? Quite literally, keeping history buried doesn't help.
According to Kostunica today, Srbija is a democratic, peaceful country.
Well, can somebody explain how is it possible that Srbija hides so many war criminals within their borders, does not recognize genocide, does not tell where are the bodies of thousands of albanians, bosnians and croats, does not cooperate to remove the mine fields in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia, still urges people in Bosnia and Kosovo to not cooperate with their governments and does all of the other things a democratic country should not do?
And than he has the guts to tell the albanians in Kosovo that they will live peacefully and free in democratic Srbija?
Mr. Kostunica, start firstly with recognising the genocide, finding the faith of missing persons - albanians, serbs, and others, start delivering the mine field maps and than start thinking about everything you are doing wrong. Start treating neightbours like neightbours, start learning what a democracy means.
Perhaps than you will find out how great the peace is, learn that living in peace means all together living in peace, not only serbs in Srbija.
Never heard the name of one woman or child in these alleged graves in Serbia. Seems to me they are recycled KLA bodies (or parts of bodies).
They were discovered after the puppet government overthrew Milosevic and about the very day he was transfered to the Hague.
I think the current government simply accepted body parts dug up by the UN of those killed during the war (in battle) and then said voila here are the graves.
Never was there any video footage or pictoral footage of the graves. Nor is there a full list of names, but those I've seen are all military-aged men.
There's also little mentioned about the Roma killed in Kosovo by the Albanians. The Roma have claimed over 800 had been killed by 2001. Some of these have Albanian names.
Roma have also stated their dead killed by the KLA have been put on lists by Albanians and claimed to be Albanians killed by Serbs.
In any event the number killed is many times less than the propaganda.
Even added the entire missing to the dead found, it is less than 5,000 total for all ethnic groups, for a time period from 1998-2002.
ftm:
Well, for the sake of discussion, I'll assume your questions are not rhetorical. Serbia may not be run in a very manner, but few places are. But Serbia cannot be accused of not being peaceful toward its neighbors. I would even say that Belgrade is peaceful with respect to its dealings with Pristina. It simply doesn't agree with prevalent thought in Pristina.
It is not clear whether war criminals are being protected by the Belgrade regime, and indeed there is significant evidence that courts in Serbia, which I otherwise have little respect for, are prosecuting its own war crime suspects. This already places Serbia above average (in ex-yuogo space) when it comes to reconciling with the past human rights violations. As far as recognizing genocide, it is important for all parties in conflict to recognize all violations of human rights and war crimes. One can hardly blame any party to the conflict for not taking the rap while others are not brought before justice. The investigstions system needs to be made more transparent, so that all parties at least have a chance to believe that grievance on all sides are bing addressed. Naturally, this will lead to one side or another, or another, or another, being found responsible for "more crime events" than others, but I contend that a)we should not prejudice which side that will turn out to be and b) we should not place too much importance on imbalance. All sane people know that war crimes are commited by all sides in armed conflict. The principle typically employed in prisoner exchanges should be applied, "all for all". This is a tough priciple to introduce out of the blue, but it has been part of a code within some armed services for quite some time. It's a shame it may be outdated, but applying such a principle to casualites of war would incite the parties in conflict to cause fewer civilian casualties, knowing that otherwise they would simply have more to account for later. A can't speak to the issue of mines. Sorry. They are nasty cowardly buggers that should be outlawed without exception. As for not cooperating with governments, people tend to copperate with governments they have themsleves put in power. so who can really blame Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo for having serious reservations about how business is conducted there. After all, K-Albanians are not satisfied with how UNMIK is running things and nobody is denying them the right to protest peacefully against it. As far as promises the K-Albanians would live freely an peacefully in a Kosova within Serbia, well, everyone has the right to disagree or agree. One should perhaps look to evidence, where possible, to gain insight. On the surface, for example, it seems that at least some people of all ethnicities are satisfied with how things are run in Presevo and Bujanovac. I'm no expert, but I believe the example is worth taking into consideration. I'm unaware of any such examples in Kosovo, but perhaps you can educate me on this. Regards.
ida: you must have read the SRS party pamphlets about the war in Kosovo, as you are not aware of the facts which not even the state of Serbia is hiding. The killed and transported corpses of Albanians from Kosovo to Serbia were not KLA soldiers, as they clearly were of different ages and sex. You are lucky to not have seen videos and footages from those graves, then. But please do not ironize, or ridicule the real situation. These stories are just another fact why Kosovo should NEVER again have any ties to Serbia. regards,
Here we are with Serbia openly talking about mass graves, yet they are not responsible for genoicide. I find that to be funny. The people of Kosova deserve their freedom, and most historical people say that the Albanians are actually the originial inhabitants of Kosovo, Albania, Parts of Greece, and half of Macedonia, its a shame how they were divided as a nation in to four different countries, and then oppressed for so long. Long live KOSOVA!!!!
As I mentioned in a previous posting: How can there be peace and cooperation between Pristina and Belgrade if the war crimes issue is not resolved? And how can the war crimes issue be resolved if decision on the status issue alienates Belgrade and Pristina even further? Quite literally, keeping history buried doesn't help.
According to Kostunica today, Srbija is a democratic, peaceful country.
Well, can somebody explain how is it possible that Srbija hides so many war criminals within their borders, does not recognize genocide, does not tell where are the bodies of thousands of albanians, bosnians and croats, does not cooperate to remove the mine fields in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia, still urges people in Bosnia and Kosovo to not cooperate with their governments and does all of the other things a democratic country should not do?
And than he has the guts to tell the albanians in Kosovo that they will live peacefully and free in democratic Srbija?
Mr. Kostunica, start firstly with recognising the genocide, finding the faith of missing persons - albanians, serbs, and others, start delivering the mine field maps and than start thinking about everything you are doing wrong. Start treating neightbours like neightbours, start learning what a democracy means.
Perhaps than you will find out how great the peace is, learn that living in peace means all together living in peace, not only serbs in Srbija.
Never heard the name of one woman or child in these alleged graves in Serbia. Seems to me they are recycled KLA bodies (or parts of bodies).
They were discovered after the puppet government overthrew Milosevic and about the very day he was transfered to the Hague.
I think the current government simply accepted body parts dug up by the UN of those killed during the war (in battle) and then said voila here are the graves.
Never was there any video footage or pictoral footage of the graves. Nor is there a full list of names, but those I've seen are all military-aged men.
There's also little mentioned about the Roma killed in Kosovo by the Albanians. The Roma have claimed over 800 had been killed by 2001. Some of these have Albanian names.
Roma have also stated their dead killed by the KLA have been put on lists by Albanians and claimed to be Albanians killed by Serbs.
In any event the number killed is many times less than the propaganda.
Even added the entire missing to the dead found, it is less than 5,000 total for all ethnic groups, for a time period from 1998-2002.
ftm:
Well, for the sake of discussion, I'll assume your questions are not rhetorical. Serbia may not be run in a very manner, but few places are. But Serbia cannot be accused of not being peaceful toward its neighbors. I would even say that Belgrade is peaceful with respect to its dealings with Pristina. It simply doesn't agree with prevalent thought in Pristina.
It is not clear whether war criminals are being protected by the Belgrade regime, and indeed there is significant evidence that courts in Serbia, which I otherwise have little respect for, are prosecuting its own war crime suspects. This already places Serbia above average (in ex-yuogo space) when it comes to reconciling with the past human rights violations. As far as recognizing genocide, it is important for all parties in conflict to recognize all violations of human rights and war crimes. One can hardly blame any party to the conflict for not taking the rap while others are not brought before justice. The investigstions system needs to be made more transparent, so that all parties at least have a chance to believe that grievance on all sides are bing addressed. Naturally, this will lead to one side or another, or another, or another, being found responsible for "more crime events" than others, but I contend that a)we should not prejudice which side that will turn out to be and b) we should not place too much importance on imbalance. All sane people know that war crimes are commited by all sides in armed conflict. The principle typically employed in prisoner exchanges should be applied, "all for all". This is a tough priciple to introduce out of the blue, but it has been part of a code within some armed services for quite some time. It's a shame it may be outdated, but applying such a principle to casualites of war would incite the parties in conflict to cause fewer civilian casualties, knowing that otherwise they would simply have more to account for later. A can't speak to the issue of mines. Sorry. They are nasty cowardly buggers that should be outlawed without exception. As for not cooperating with governments, people tend to copperate with governments they have themsleves put in power. so who can really blame Serbs in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo for having serious reservations about how business is conducted there. After all, K-Albanians are not satisfied with how UNMIK is running things and nobody is denying them the right to protest peacefully against it. As far as promises the K-Albanians would live freely an peacefully in a Kosova within Serbia, well, everyone has the right to disagree or agree. One should perhaps look to evidence, where possible, to gain insight. On the surface, for example, it seems that at least some people of all ethnicities are satisfied with how things are run in Presevo and Bujanovac. I'm no expert, but I believe the example is worth taking into consideration. I'm unaware of any such examples in Kosovo, but perhaps you can educate me on this. Regards.
ida: you must have read the SRS party pamphlets about the war in Kosovo, as you are not aware of the facts which not even the state of Serbia is hiding. The killed and transported corpses of Albanians from Kosovo to Serbia were not KLA soldiers, as they clearly were of different ages and sex. You are lucky to not have seen videos and footages from those graves, then. But please do not ironize, or ridicule the real situation. These stories are just another fact why Kosovo should NEVER again have any ties to Serbia. regards,
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