"Serbia unlikely to influence Kosovo settlement"

They are not so optimists as it looks. Now, they see what's happening. Too late, unfortunately. If Kosova's Independence doesn't pass on UNSC, the only losers will be serbs who live in Kosova.

Judah "Should the UN SC fail to adopt the resolution, Kosovo would proclaim independence followed by the recognition of such an act by the U.S and Great Britain in the first place"

- yes right and so the US & UK are willing to blow their last ounce of international credibility for an ILLEGAL recognition of a 2nd Albanian state on Serbian territory?

Does he really believe that the US & UK are willing for Sui Generis to be thrown away to open pandora's box?

Has he not thought the consequences through?

Russia would love that - they could do the same for Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Trans Dniester and in any of the other former USSR repiblics it wishes - Ukraine has a substantial Russian minority in the east - one cannot tell where this will lead to in time but the US & UK will be to blame.

Russia would be happy as it would meet it's interest in being able to apply the US & UK precedent and it would be the fault of the US & UK. In the UK the Scots will have even more support for independence seeing as the UK fully promotes the ILLEGAL creation of another state - the Scots cause will be in this case all the more certain - no more UK with a UN seat. Beyond which this could be applied to any ethnic group who are a majority in any region of England (seeing as UK dissolves into it's nation states Scotland, England, Wales & N.Ireland).

For the EU this is the worst case scenario the ethnic-Albaniasn have already stated that they mean war - Northern Kosovo & Metohija would succecced immediatly and in time it may not be just at the Ibar but could be much further south. Serbia will utilise its UN seat to demonstrate that it will not accept its inviobility bringing a resolution to the UNSC that if action is not taken it can if this is VETO then Serbia will be able to declare this as an act of war in the UN on it's internationally recognised territory and could theoretically send in it's troops since 1244 allows it to protect it's international borders. NATO troops will be preoccupied in protecting the non-Albanian minorities and will have to send in huge numbers of troops just when they are required in Afghanistan. The EU will not be able to take over UNMIK administration and there will be a total vacuum of organisation, justice, policing if not complete anarchy as people reaslise that the future has just been swept way completly. Bosnia would collapse as the Republika Srpska declared the same who cares if the US & UK don't recognise in the first instance - I am sure the Croats will jump at the chance of reformulating Herceg-Bosna.

The consequences are endless I really don't think the US & UK would want all this laid down soley on their ILLEGAL actions and bypassing the UN again - look at where they took us in Iraq!!! This can only be a bluff and I am certain the chess master Putin is not bluffing and will see these scenario's are not in the first instance in the US, UK or EU's interest what so ever. The US & UK will not do anthing ILLEGAL just when they need help in getting out of Iraq and bolstering their efforts in Afganistan.

Beyond that is this the future that the ethnic-Albanians want? An Illegal, unrecognised, partitioned Southern Kosovo & Metohija that will be completly abandoned of any UN or EU funding - no trade, no investment, no economy,no protection internationally, no future what so ever?

Blag is on a break but I am sure he won't mind me using his words;

Show me the LEGAL MECHANISM and it will be MESSY.


I'll add my own word to such a scenario as recognition;

BLUFF.


“The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff.” Ambrose Bierce

"Serbs and other minorities in Kosovo could remain unshielded, without the EU mission set up in the province or the international high representative appointed to Kosovo"

is that a naive try to blackmail the Serbs? :)

à la " if you do not accept KiM independence, your poeple will be handed over to the mob"???

Mr.Judah...

for how dumb are you taking the readers of your lines?
the Serbs ( are the majority withing Serbia, by the way ) and the several minorities in KiM will be shielded or there will be someone who will come to defend them. it´s that simple.
writing those threats is a rather impotent try to reach political goals, and in no way fits to someone who wants to be taken serious.

what is really important is, how Russia and China will react within the UNSC.
all other scenarios are only wishful thinking, indeed.

an unilateral move by the Albanians would only serve american interests, but would lead the Albanians into a messy situation.

saying that, would have been an info worth reading...but blackmailing. no, I´m afraid that´s just worthless.

I would like to thank B92 for its neutrality...

Great news for the citizens of Kosova!

“Should the UN SC fail to adopt the resolution, Kosovo would proclaim independence followed by the recognition of such an act by the U.S and Great Britain in the first place. Ahtisaari’s plan would thus sink into oblivion, and Serbs and other minorities in Kosovo could remain unshielded, without the EU..."

Judah 'knows' does he? He is just making a lot of assumptions. There are many ways this can play out. So what is the reason for this comment? Is it because he is an 'expert', or is just blatant propaganda.

Sad, very sad indeed and very unprofessional, but this is the Balkans, where foreign opinion is allowed to pass for fact.

Things have been terrific for Serbia under nationalism. From being the heart of the most modern Eastern European state of Yugoslavia in '88 to now being behind Romania, Bulgaria and even Albania.
Keep up the good work Serbia! You are your own worst enemy.

OK. There will be no one in Serbia to sign Kosovo off although it is taken by NATO occupation back in 1999.
Albanians can proclaim independence, Europe and USA can recognize it, whatever, but it will be only matter of how long will USA and NATO be willing to stay there military and guard it's "independence". It may take decade or two so no rush for Serbia to go and shoot it self in the foot like it was a case during Milosevic.
If the Serbs are killed on Kosovo and if the Serbian churches, centuries old , are flattened it would be a shame on EU ( not USA cause they do not know about shame and have no any tradition that goes back so they believe, like Milosevic did, that "they can build better and OLDER (churches and) cities".
There is nothing we Serbs can do any more at this present time. Dear EU I wish you good luck with Albanians and their representatives on Kosovo. You are going to need it!

No one cares about Serbia and if anyone thinks international community will hand back Kosovo to Serbia (ie. the country that wanted to wipe them out) then that would be a very big immoral act. What credibility would West have then.

I think peoples extent of precedentss arguement is amazing. all of a sudden, just because of kosovo and serbia, people all over the world will announce independence? seriously! I dont see the scots or the ossetians having foreign armies move in and practising the crimes that serbia did in kosovo. There is no other precedent as such (otherwise the east timor independence would have caused the same precedent, but it didnt). every case is always jusdged on their own.

Daniel,

do you actually know what you are talking about???

just to inform you: there was no foreign army invading KiM, since the serbian army did not have to invade. KiM IS Serbia. what is wrong with you?

don´t you read books?

TO Princip and Jovan

Please take your time and count to ten without showing your compulsive hatred towards the others and give a rational answer on the Kosovo issue! What is your prediction on Kosovo what is really going to happen with Kosovo? Again be rational please keep in mind that I appreciate the fact that you might not like the status outcome! Just feed me in with your output...thanks guys have a good one....

Jovan
yet again you blame daniel for telling the truth, of course evryone reads books and stories, farytales, but reality to your books is that the books you are reading are written up on stories and not truth.
just look at the B92 head line in the past few days, all you can read are messiges from your leadership starting to face the serbian nation with the reality check, this is not made up, this is a serbian source right here on b92,so dont bother to comment back and blame me and put some dodgy link like you ,blag and Princip always does..
the era of your lives lived up on liese has died in 1999, now the sooner you addapt and accept Kosova is not part of YU or Serbia anymore the better is going to be for everyone.
gd day

some of the comments i read here are very funny.
one of them says, quote" if US and GB recognizes the independence of Kosova, Serbia would declare war"
will show me what kind of war? same as 1999 nato bombing or massacring their own serbs for the sake of myths.
As a Kosovar Albanian i know all the balkan wars happened because of Serbia's ambitions to rule the Balkans but i truly feel sorry for all the serbian people who have been brainwashed, cheated by the political dictatorship in Serbia for all these years.
its 12:45, Kosova is waiting its future, bright future hopefully, may god save serbia from its own destruction,

princip, you seem unsettled!!!!?? not happy Jan! well like i said russia is was given a blank sheet and write a wish list by the US, they r desperate to join the IMF n world bank and other organizations and flex real muscle on the international arena, its pretty simple to see where the leverage is, dont worry about the UK, the british have been doin this for centuries, all parties win with the british. the serbians are dated with there thoughts and behaviour towards there predicament. had the serbs cared enough 7 yrs ago and reconciled and sympathised with the Kosovo albanians kosovo would have remained within serbia and montenegro then serbia. It takes one smart person TITO to create one idiot to destroy and a hundred intellectuals to work it out hahahah, thats funny.
you will see i am right. maybe if you all went to church and really understand the 7 heavenly virtues and 7 deadly sins, it all begins with forgivness, which has yet to be seen by any of the serbian people

I wonder to which extent we are all brainwashed and when steps will be taken toward ending it. Today, for example, I attended a scholarly presentation on the prospects of democratization in the Balkans delivered at a very well known and respected university in the US by a professor at the University of Pristina. The professor's arguments were not among the most convincing, but I have learned not to extensively scrutinize much of what is put forth at these events. However, one claim I could not dismiss was that in Serbia, someone with command responsibility for "war crimes , Mr. Milosevic, was replaced by someone who had committed them, Mr Kostunica". Since my own imagination could not stretch far enough to encompass such a notion, I began to feel sorry for the professor's students in Pristina. My question is: How troubling must it be to know (or to be told) that the leader of an adjacent jurisdiction (country if you prefer)is wanted for war crimes allegedly committed against your own people? Thanks. amerikanac.

I'm reading all those comments, and I'm wondering, it is that reason or emotions speaking. I have some questions for some of you:
Since when Kosova was Serbia?
How do you define "2'nd Albanin State in Serbia's Territory"?
Since when, we are your citizens (I mean serbian citizens)?
You did not lived in Kosova before 1999, and don't know what really hapennded there. You know only what RTS served you, and also Millosheviq's propaganda said. Sllavs came in Ballkans, and found Albanians there. If I come in your yard, with a lot of armed men, and build a home there, will it be my yard later, b/c "my" home is there?
And, those churches, which you do mention a lot, many of them used to be catholic churches. Serbs destroyed them and builded on their basement this churches which are now, or just modified them little, to look as orthodox churches.
One chinese proverb says: " Be aware from person who read only one book". So folks, read, read and read again, then write something. If you check after that what you wrote now, you will feel embarrased by yourself.

They are not so optimists as it looks. Now, they see what's happening. Too late, unfortunately. If Kosova's Independence doesn't pass on UNSC, the only losers will be serbs who live in Kosova.

Judah "Should the UN SC fail to adopt the resolution, Kosovo would proclaim independence followed by the recognition of such an act by the U.S and Great Britain in the first place"

- yes right and so the US & UK are willing to blow their last ounce of international credibility for an ILLEGAL recognition of a 2nd Albanian state on Serbian territory?

Does he really believe that the US & UK are willing for Sui Generis to be thrown away to open pandora's box?

Has he not thought the consequences through?

Russia would love that - they could do the same for Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Trans Dniester and in any of the other former USSR repiblics it wishes - Ukraine has a substantial Russian minority in the east - one cannot tell where this will lead to in time but the US & UK will be to blame.

Russia would be happy as it would meet it's interest in being able to apply the US & UK precedent and it would be the fault of the US & UK. In the UK the Scots will have even more support for independence seeing as the UK fully promotes the ILLEGAL creation of another state - the Scots cause will be in this case all the more certain - no more UK with a UN seat. Beyond which this could be applied to any ethnic group who are a majority in any region of England (seeing as UK dissolves into it's nation states Scotland, England, Wales & N.Ireland).

For the EU this is the worst case scenario the ethnic-Albaniasn have already stated that they mean war - Northern Kosovo & Metohija would succecced immediatly and in time it may not be just at the Ibar but could be much further south. Serbia will utilise its UN seat to demonstrate that it will not accept its inviobility bringing a resolution to the UNSC that if action is not taken it can if this is VETO then Serbia will be able to declare this as an act of war in the UN on it's internationally recognised territory and could theoretically send in it's troops since 1244 allows it to protect it's international borders. NATO troops will be preoccupied in protecting the non-Albanian minorities and will have to send in huge numbers of troops just when they are required in Afghanistan. The EU will not be able to take over UNMIK administration and there will be a total vacuum of organisation, justice, policing if not complete anarchy as people reaslise that the future has just been swept way completly. Bosnia would collapse as the Republika Srpska declared the same who cares if the US & UK don't recognise in the first instance - I am sure the Croats will jump at the chance of reformulating Herceg-Bosna.

The consequences are endless I really don't think the US & UK would want all this laid down soley on their ILLEGAL actions and bypassing the UN again - look at where they took us in Iraq!!! This can only be a bluff and I am certain the chess master Putin is not bluffing and will see these scenario's are not in the first instance in the US, UK or EU's interest what so ever. The US & UK will not do anthing ILLEGAL just when they need help in getting out of Iraq and bolstering their efforts in Afganistan.

Beyond that is this the future that the ethnic-Albanians want? An Illegal, unrecognised, partitioned Southern Kosovo & Metohija that will be completly abandoned of any UN or EU funding - no trade, no investment, no economy,no protection internationally, no future what so ever?

Blag is on a break but I am sure he won't mind me using his words;

Show me the LEGAL MECHANISM and it will be MESSY.


I'll add my own word to such a scenario as recognition;

BLUFF.


“The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff.” Ambrose Bierce

"Serbs and other minorities in Kosovo could remain unshielded, without the EU mission set up in the province or the international high representative appointed to Kosovo"

is that a naive try to blackmail the Serbs? :)

à la " if you do not accept KiM independence, your poeple will be handed over to the mob"???

Mr.Judah...

for how dumb are you taking the readers of your lines?
the Serbs ( are the majority withing Serbia, by the way ) and the several minorities in KiM will be shielded or there will be someone who will come to defend them. it´s that simple.
writing those threats is a rather impotent try to reach political goals, and in no way fits to someone who wants to be taken serious.

what is really important is, how Russia and China will react within the UNSC.
all other scenarios are only wishful thinking, indeed.

an unilateral move by the Albanians would only serve american interests, but would lead the Albanians into a messy situation.

saying that, would have been an info worth reading...but blackmailing. no, I´m afraid that´s just worthless.

I would like to thank B92 for its neutrality...

Great news for the citizens of Kosova!

“Should the UN SC fail to adopt the resolution, Kosovo would proclaim independence followed by the recognition of such an act by the U.S and Great Britain in the first place. Ahtisaari’s plan would thus sink into oblivion, and Serbs and other minorities in Kosovo could remain unshielded, without the EU..."

Judah 'knows' does he? He is just making a lot of assumptions. There are many ways this can play out. So what is the reason for this comment? Is it because he is an 'expert', or is just blatant propaganda.

Sad, very sad indeed and very unprofessional, but this is the Balkans, where foreign opinion is allowed to pass for fact.

Things have been terrific for Serbia under nationalism. From being the heart of the most modern Eastern European state of Yugoslavia in '88 to now being behind Romania, Bulgaria and even Albania.
Keep up the good work Serbia! You are your own worst enemy.

OK. There will be no one in Serbia to sign Kosovo off although it is taken by NATO occupation back in 1999.
Albanians can proclaim independence, Europe and USA can recognize it, whatever, but it will be only matter of how long will USA and NATO be willing to stay there military and guard it's "independence". It may take decade or two so no rush for Serbia to go and shoot it self in the foot like it was a case during Milosevic.
If the Serbs are killed on Kosovo and if the Serbian churches, centuries old , are flattened it would be a shame on EU ( not USA cause they do not know about shame and have no any tradition that goes back so they believe, like Milosevic did, that "they can build better and OLDER (churches and) cities".
There is nothing we Serbs can do any more at this present time. Dear EU I wish you good luck with Albanians and their representatives on Kosovo. You are going to need it!

No one cares about Serbia and if anyone thinks international community will hand back Kosovo to Serbia (ie. the country that wanted to wipe them out) then that would be a very big immoral act. What credibility would West have then.

I think peoples extent of precedentss arguement is amazing. all of a sudden, just because of kosovo and serbia, people all over the world will announce independence? seriously! I dont see the scots or the ossetians having foreign armies move in and practising the crimes that serbia did in kosovo. There is no other precedent as such (otherwise the east timor independence would have caused the same precedent, but it didnt). every case is always jusdged on their own.

Daniel,

do you actually know what you are talking about???

just to inform you: there was no foreign army invading KiM, since the serbian army did not have to invade. KiM IS Serbia. what is wrong with you?

don´t you read books?

TO Princip and Jovan

Please take your time and count to ten without showing your compulsive hatred towards the others and give a rational answer on the Kosovo issue! What is your prediction on Kosovo what is really going to happen with Kosovo? Again be rational please keep in mind that I appreciate the fact that you might not like the status outcome! Just feed me in with your output...thanks guys have a good one....

Jovan
yet again you blame daniel for telling the truth, of course evryone reads books and stories, farytales, but reality to your books is that the books you are reading are written up on stories and not truth.
just look at the B92 head line in the past few days, all you can read are messiges from your leadership starting to face the serbian nation with the reality check, this is not made up, this is a serbian source right here on b92,so dont bother to comment back and blame me and put some dodgy link like you ,blag and Princip always does..
the era of your lives lived up on liese has died in 1999, now the sooner you addapt and accept Kosova is not part of YU or Serbia anymore the better is going to be for everyone.
gd day

some of the comments i read here are very funny.
one of them says, quote" if US and GB recognizes the independence of Kosova, Serbia would declare war"
will show me what kind of war? same as 1999 nato bombing or massacring their own serbs for the sake of myths.
As a Kosovar Albanian i know all the balkan wars happened because of Serbia's ambitions to rule the Balkans but i truly feel sorry for all the serbian people who have been brainwashed, cheated by the political dictatorship in Serbia for all these years.
its 12:45, Kosova is waiting its future, bright future hopefully, may god save serbia from its own destruction,

princip, you seem unsettled!!!!?? not happy Jan! well like i said russia is was given a blank sheet and write a wish list by the US, they r desperate to join the IMF n world bank and other organizations and flex real muscle on the international arena, its pretty simple to see where the leverage is, dont worry about the UK, the british have been doin this for centuries, all parties win with the british. the serbians are dated with there thoughts and behaviour towards there predicament. had the serbs cared enough 7 yrs ago and reconciled and sympathised with the Kosovo albanians kosovo would have remained within serbia and montenegro then serbia. It takes one smart person TITO to create one idiot to destroy and a hundred intellectuals to work it out hahahah, thats funny.
you will see i am right. maybe if you all went to church and really understand the 7 heavenly virtues and 7 deadly sins, it all begins with forgivness, which has yet to be seen by any of the serbian people

I wonder to which extent we are all brainwashed and when steps will be taken toward ending it. Today, for example, I attended a scholarly presentation on the prospects of democratization in the Balkans delivered at a very well known and respected university in the US by a professor at the University of Pristina. The professor's arguments were not among the most convincing, but I have learned not to extensively scrutinize much of what is put forth at these events. However, one claim I could not dismiss was that in Serbia, someone with command responsibility for "war crimes , Mr. Milosevic, was replaced by someone who had committed them, Mr Kostunica". Since my own imagination could not stretch far enough to encompass such a notion, I began to feel sorry for the professor's students in Pristina. My question is: How troubling must it be to know (or to be told) that the leader of an adjacent jurisdiction (country if you prefer)is wanted for war crimes allegedly committed against your own people? Thanks. amerikanac.

I'm reading all those comments, and I'm wondering, it is that reason or emotions speaking. I have some questions for some of you:
Since when Kosova was Serbia?
How do you define "2'nd Albanin State in Serbia's Territory"?
Since when, we are your citizens (I mean serbian citizens)?
You did not lived in Kosova before 1999, and don't know what really hapennded there. You know only what RTS served you, and also Millosheviq's propaganda said. Sllavs came in Ballkans, and found Albanians there. If I come in your yard, with a lot of armed men, and build a home there, will it be my yard later, b/c "my" home is there?
And, those churches, which you do mention a lot, many of them used to be catholic churches. Serbs destroyed them and builded on their basement this churches which are now, or just modified them little, to look as orthodox churches.
One chinese proverb says: " Be aware from person who read only one book". So folks, read, read and read again, then write something. If you check after that what you wrote now, you will feel embarrased by yourself.