Croatian PM: Charges against Serbia still stand

Does anyone care anymore really that Hungry was a puppet state? Bulgaria? No. Same with Croatia. However should it be re-visited, ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light.

In any case, Serbia was last to inflict Nazi-like fascism in europe so thats what will be most remembered.So i doubt anyone will be listening to serbs preaching about anti-fascism or peace or freedom.

Then we can charge them for operation Oluja and Genocide in Jasenovac

opps - the cat is out of the bag! Someone is clearly telling porkies or else no-one told Croatian PM Sanader. Either way it is incredible to think that such high level legal discussions have taken place without the highest level of political consent.

jojo,

As much as I agree with you on Jasenovac - the ICJ would have no jurisdiction on filing a suit against the UN recognised Republic of Croatia (1992- to date) for the crimes that the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) 1941-45 commited in the Croatian Holocaust.

The best way forward is the truth and recognition for all those who were slaughtered and brutalised by the most appaling state system ever known to humankind that even hardened SS commanders were shocked by the barbarity of the Croatian holocaust.

"The Serbs have become slaughterhouse material from the total of two million Orthodox population, almost 600,000 were murdered. [35] The Simon Wiesenthal Center has reached the same number for Serbs, 30,000 for Jews (75-80%), and 29,000 for Gypsies (97%). Encyclopedia of the Holocaust states that over half a million [Serbs] were murdered, about a quarter of a million were expelled from the country, and another quarter of a million were forced to convert to Catholicism. One way or another about one half of all Serbs in the NDH were subjected to the Ustasha dictum of kill a third, expel a third, convert a third. [36]"

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic00/NewsST042100.html

In fact this lawsuit should go before the ICJ. This is the only way to make world know of Croatian Nazi past and Croatian barbarity against the Serbia not only during WWII but also during Croatian nazi type "home-land war" of 1190’s - Operation Storm, ethnic cleansing and slaughter of Serbs from 1992-1995.
I am stunned that the Serbian government could have any talk with Croatia on this matter. In fact any goods from Croatia and any business with Croatia should be breezed until Croatia allows Serbs from Krajina to go home, until Croatia pays war reparations to many Serb survivals of Croatian Genocide and until Croatia apologizes to Serbs for its nazi past.

Daniel,

I think it was America and the EU that last inflicted it. But you are right, why should anyone care. I mean the Serb-Croat war was like 15 years ago! God! Get past it. That is according to your logic.

This is interesting because Montenegro has acknowledged their crimes and has agreed to war reparations. Not full reparations because as they say they were "only following orders by Belgrade." This is a good arguement for Croatia.

Serbia cannot use the whole "civil war" arguement like they could in Bosnia. The JNA had an active presence in Croatia, they were "protecting serbs" by blowing-up cities such as Vukovar. You would think if Serbia was not found quilty in Bosnia, they would have no reason to worry about the Croatia case, but thats not true. They want to deal with this out of court, its not a sure win for them.

"However should it be re-visited, ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light.(daniel, Friday, 2 March, 2007, 16:58)"
As a member of the nobility who lost everything to the communists, no one would be happier then I for a reevaluation of the Cetnik's role in WWII. You seem to imply that Tito somehow wanted to minimalized the crimes of the Cetniks?!?!? I would argue that the opposite was the case. Tito clearly had strong reasons to demonize the Cetniks as much as possible, so any non-biased look into their role is sure to present them in a better light then Tito's very effective propaganda machine.
Please Daniel enlighten us on what the Cetniks were doing. Did they have a system of camps similar to Jasenovac? Did they have contests for the "King of the Cut Throats?" Were they forcibly converting Croatians to Orthodoxy? Did they slaughter the adult members of the population and then raise their children as Serbs? Did the Cetniks carry out a long series of terrorist attacks against Western targets for decades after the end of the War?
The fact remains that the Ustasha dream of a ethnically clean Croatia was finally realized after Operation Storm.
Should the Serbs return? I actually advise my family not to go back. Leave it be, Croatia "solve" their Serbian problem, it was horrible, but in reality, its probably the only long term solution that would work in Croatia. The people in power like Tudjman do not seem any different to me then their Ustasha counterparts.
Daniel, I'm curious though, how do you justify Croatian crimes against the Bosniaks? Like in Mostar? Were they trying to kill your people? Did you feel the need to "liberate" Mostar as you did in Krajina? At least Serbia didn't turn on our Allies. We were honest about what our goals were. Tudjman had the exact same plans for Bosnia as Milosevic and worked hand in hand with him in that. Tudjman is just as liable as Milosevic for the evil that occurred in the 90's. At least Serbia does not name bridges and such after Milosevic, while Croatia glorifies the crimes of Tudjman. If Tudjman were alive today, it is without a doubt that he would be rotting in a cell in the Hague.

"ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light."


King Peter II Karadjeordevic was in exile in London in an apartment declared to be Yugoslav land during WWII and the Nazi reig. King Peter II was accompanied by the representative from Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia under the constitution and kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Colonel Dragolub Mihailovic, was the leader of the Royal Resistance movement representing all the peoples of Yugoslavia, Serbs, Croat and Slovenes. He led the first guirella movement against the Nazi's and made the front cover of TIME in 1942. He is credited with saving over 500 US Airmen who were shot down over Yugoslavia during WWII.

He was brutally murdered by Tito and his Communist leadership. Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbevovic are products of Tito's Communist dictatorship.

Where is the right for Croatia to even think about any lawsuits against Serbia? Do you know the percentage of Serbs in Croatia right now and what it was before 1991? They are the onew that did clear ethnic cleansing, because not just that Serbs had to leave their homes in Croatia, Croatia even took whole Krajina that is now just a horror movie. What about Serbian children who still cannot sleep because of what had happened to them during the war in Krajina? Nobody is mentioning Jasenovac (prison for Serbs) either?!? What about those crimes? How come the law is not the same for all people? Who is asking me how was my childhood?

The Serbs should be not only pay for the mass slaughter of Croats & Bosniaks during the 90-95 war but also pay for massacre of Croats & Slovenes at Blieburg Austria. Jews who were imprisoned and killed by Gen. Nedic's forces should be paid componsation and also to apoligise for their wrong doing during their fascist regime in 1941. What the Serbs did to Vukovar is an absolute disgracve regarded by many world leaders as the worst destruction ever encounted by a force 100 times stronger then the defending army who only had at the time a number of hunting rifles and bow and arrows.

I'm proud of the Montenegrins! They show a tremendous amount of guts by reaching out to the Croats. Serbia needs to do the same. Oluja? that would have never happend if Milosevic didn't agree to it. You know that! We need to find someone like Zoran Dindjic to lead them through this mess. We have no friends anymore! Russia? Only when it is convenient for them. China, same. UK? No way. This nightmare has got to end. Serbia needs to calmy wake up, and peacefully move on. And bringing up memories of WWII in this context is not helping... we can't justify our crimes by drawing attention to the crimes of past... that promotes an endless cycle of butchery which precisely what Europe is trying to avoid. If we would have just addressed these issues constructively, things would have probably turned out differently. Remember, most of those guys that promoted a separate Croatia were former Partisans. The Slovenes were the first to leave. And now Montenegro. Kosovo is pushing to leave. What does that tell us? Am I the only one who sees the pattern here? It seems like they didn't leave Yugoslavia. In reality, my friends, Yugoslavia left us.

"However should it be re-visited, ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light.(daniel, Friday, 2 March, 2007, 16:58)"
As a member of the nobility who lost everything to the communists, no one would be happier then I for a reevaluation of the Cetnik's role in WWII. You seem to imply that Tito somehow wanted to minimalized the crimes of the Cetniks?!?!? I would argue that the opposite was the case. Tito clearly had strong reasons to demonize the Cetniks as much as possible, so any non-biased look into their role is sure to present them in a better light then Tito's very effective propaganda machine.
Please Daniel enlighten us on what the Cetniks were doing. Did they have a system of camps similar to Jasenovac? Did they have contests for the "King of the Cut Throats?" Were they forcibly converting Croatians to Orthodoxy? Did they slaughter the adult members of the population and then raise their children as Serbs? Did the Cetniks carry out a long series of terrorist attacks against Western targets for decades after the end of the War?
The fact remains that the Ustasha dream of a ethnically clean Croatia was finally realized after Operation Storm.
Should the Serbs return? I actually advise my family not to go back. Leave it be, Croatia "solve" their Serbian problem, it was horrible, but in reality, its probably the only long term solution that would work in Croatia. The people in power like Tudjman do not seem any different to me then their Ustasha counterparts.
Daniel, I'm curious though, how do you justify Croatian crimes against the Bosniaks? Like in Mostar? Were they trying to kill your people? Did you feel the need to "liberate" Mostar as you did in Krajina? At least Serbia didn't turn on our Allies. We were honest about what our goals were. Tudjman had the exact same plans for Bosnia as Milosevic and worked hand in hand with him in that. Tudjman is just as liable as Milosevic for the evil that occurred in the 90's. At least Serbia does not name bridges and such after Milosevic, while Croatia glorifies the crimes of Tudjman. If Tudjman were alive today, it is without a doubt that he would be rotting in a cell in the Hague.

Then we can charge them for operation Oluja and Genocide in Jasenovac

opps - the cat is out of the bag! Someone is clearly telling porkies or else no-one told Croatian PM Sanader. Either way it is incredible to think that such high level legal discussions have taken place without the highest level of political consent.

jojo,

As much as I agree with you on Jasenovac - the ICJ would have no jurisdiction on filing a suit against the UN recognised Republic of Croatia (1992- to date) for the crimes that the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) 1941-45 commited in the Croatian Holocaust.

The best way forward is the truth and recognition for all those who were slaughtered and brutalised by the most appaling state system ever known to humankind that even hardened SS commanders were shocked by the barbarity of the Croatian holocaust.

"The Serbs have become slaughterhouse material from the total of two million Orthodox population, almost 600,000 were murdered. [35] The Simon Wiesenthal Center has reached the same number for Serbs, 30,000 for Jews (75-80%), and 29,000 for Gypsies (97%). Encyclopedia of the Holocaust states that over half a million [Serbs] were murdered, about a quarter of a million were expelled from the country, and another quarter of a million were forced to convert to Catholicism. One way or another about one half of all Serbs in the NDH were subjected to the Ustasha dictum of kill a third, expel a third, convert a third. [36]"

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic00/NewsST042100.html

In fact this lawsuit should go before the ICJ. This is the only way to make world know of Croatian Nazi past and Croatian barbarity against the Serbia not only during WWII but also during Croatian nazi type "home-land war" of 1190’s - Operation Storm, ethnic cleansing and slaughter of Serbs from 1992-1995.
I am stunned that the Serbian government could have any talk with Croatia on this matter. In fact any goods from Croatia and any business with Croatia should be breezed until Croatia allows Serbs from Krajina to go home, until Croatia pays war reparations to many Serb survivals of Croatian Genocide and until Croatia apologizes to Serbs for its nazi past.

Does anyone care anymore really that Hungry was a puppet state? Bulgaria? No. Same with Croatia. However should it be re-visited, ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light.

In any case, Serbia was last to inflict Nazi-like fascism in europe so thats what will be most remembered.So i doubt anyone will be listening to serbs preaching about anti-fascism or peace or freedom.

Daniel,

I think it was America and the EU that last inflicted it. But you are right, why should anyone care. I mean the Serb-Croat war was like 15 years ago! God! Get past it. That is according to your logic.

This is interesting because Montenegro has acknowledged their crimes and has agreed to war reparations. Not full reparations because as they say they were "only following orders by Belgrade." This is a good arguement for Croatia.

Serbia cannot use the whole "civil war" arguement like they could in Bosnia. The JNA had an active presence in Croatia, they were "protecting serbs" by blowing-up cities such as Vukovar. You would think if Serbia was not found quilty in Bosnia, they would have no reason to worry about the Croatia case, but thats not true. They want to deal with this out of court, its not a sure win for them.

"ill be happy as behaviour of cetniks in second half of ww2 in particular will be brought to light."


King Peter II Karadjeordevic was in exile in London in an apartment declared to be Yugoslav land during WWII and the Nazi reig. King Peter II was accompanied by the representative from Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia under the constitution and kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Colonel Dragolub Mihailovic, was the leader of the Royal Resistance movement representing all the peoples of Yugoslavia, Serbs, Croat and Slovenes. He led the first guirella movement against the Nazi's and made the front cover of TIME in 1942. He is credited with saving over 500 US Airmen who were shot down over Yugoslavia during WWII.

He was brutally murdered by Tito and his Communist leadership. Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbevovic are products of Tito's Communist dictatorship.

Where is the right for Croatia to even think about any lawsuits against Serbia? Do you know the percentage of Serbs in Croatia right now and what it was before 1991? They are the onew that did clear ethnic cleansing, because not just that Serbs had to leave their homes in Croatia, Croatia even took whole Krajina that is now just a horror movie. What about Serbian children who still cannot sleep because of what had happened to them during the war in Krajina? Nobody is mentioning Jasenovac (prison for Serbs) either?!? What about those crimes? How come the law is not the same for all people? Who is asking me how was my childhood?

The Serbs should be not only pay for the mass slaughter of Croats & Bosniaks during the 90-95 war but also pay for massacre of Croats & Slovenes at Blieburg Austria. Jews who were imprisoned and killed by Gen. Nedic's forces should be paid componsation and also to apoligise for their wrong doing during their fascist regime in 1941. What the Serbs did to Vukovar is an absolute disgracve regarded by many world leaders as the worst destruction ever encounted by a force 100 times stronger then the defending army who only had at the time a number of hunting rifles and bow and arrows.

I'm proud of the Montenegrins! They show a tremendous amount of guts by reaching out to the Croats. Serbia needs to do the same. Oluja? that would have never happend if Milosevic didn't agree to it. You know that! We need to find someone like Zoran Dindjic to lead them through this mess. We have no friends anymore! Russia? Only when it is convenient for them. China, same. UK? No way. This nightmare has got to end. Serbia needs to calmy wake up, and peacefully move on. And bringing up memories of WWII in this context is not helping... we can't justify our crimes by drawing attention to the crimes of past... that promotes an endless cycle of butchery which precisely what Europe is trying to avoid. If we would have just addressed these issues constructively, things would have probably turned out differently. Remember, most of those guys that promoted a separate Croatia were former Partisans. The Slovenes were the first to leave. And now Montenegro. Kosovo is pushing to leave. What does that tell us? Am I the only one who sees the pattern here? It seems like they didn't leave Yugoslavia. In reality, my friends, Yugoslavia left us.