Ceku: Proposal paves way for independence

The only path to reconciliation starts with you, Agim behind bars. I find this apalling that this guy calls out anyone. He is the biggest criminal still in a position of power, and the West should be ashamed of this.

The biggest criminals are Karadzic and Mladic, and they are also free, as Ceku. My conclusion is simple: if Mladic had been put under arrest and send to The Hague, a long time ago, Ceku would be there also. But the Serb politicians decided to ignore completely the UN's and ICTY's demands, instead of recognizing what had happened, and opted to keep Serbia in misery and poverty.

Bad choice!

Milosevic couldnt be found guilty of genocide, and neither could Serbia! Yet, this "man" is guilty of cleansing Croatia of Serbians and the west turns the other way...

I am proud that Agim Ceku is the prime minister of the state of Kosova. He is a great leader, both militarily (drove out Serb occupiers from Croatia and Kosova), as well as politically (works hard for independence). To the hypocrites who claim he is a war criminal, take a look in the mirror...you are still hiding Mladic and Karadzic.

John, Sasa, or whatever your name is, please show some respect for hundreds of thousands of victims caused by the serbian actions. I can't belief how hypocrite one can be to say that Serbia wasn't behind the wars in the former Yugoslavia.
I am a victim of those wars and I know who killed my uncle, burned my house and deported me to Montenegro.
It was Serbian Army together with Serbian Police and many other paramilitary groups (e.g. Munja, Franki, etc, etc.)

to John, I just don't understand how you don't know the truth of who was to blame of genocide in Bosnia, as in my country Kosova even kids of 9 to 12 years old know who is to be blamed.
And have you ever though why the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova happend when Millosheviq was in power, have you?

The path to reconciliation starts with me getting a Serb wife. But alas, it is not meant to be cuz I am too muslim, too mormon, too ...Albanian

I agree. Even though I have expected all those war-profiters to speak up after that ICG-ruling, I was suprised how shameless some of them are acting.

what´s best is that he even dares to rise some allegations...he, who is known to be a war criminal...how bizarre!

Well, if Serbs should pay for the so called past wrongs, then so should the Albanians for years of discrimination against non muslims during Ottoman rule, and for atrocities comitted during the Balkan wars, world war I and II, and after world war war II until today by Albanians.

Furthermore for those that claim that 10 000 Albanians got murdered during the Kosovo war, please provide your evidence. For a long time we heard about 200 000 dead in Bosnia, though that figure now is down to officially 97 000

Please lets not extort the truth in order to further ones goals.

Does any Albanians have any figures in regars to killed KLA fighters during the Kosovo war? or did no KLA fighters die..

If you we follow the Bosnian factor, the amount of Albanians killed would be around 5000, with 3000 of them KLA soldiers...

Hardly a reason to tear a democratic country apart by facists means....

Of course Jon.
Agim Ceku fought against Yugoslav forces it is different to fight against solders in compare with serbs who killed innocent people in Srebrenica, Krusha e Madhe, Racak, etc.
In contrary Agim Ceku is a ballkan hero because he was the most successful warrior in defending this part of the world from Miloshevic hegemony.

Good point John. This guy have a lot of nerve to declare this afer what he did in Croatia and kosovo.

John, why should west be ashamed of, the Kosovo PM Agim Ceku, has showed a great leadership in Kosovo especially with the returns and reconciliation. It is the Serbs in Kosovo who are boycotting the institutions and the world knows all that.
Say that only if you have any fact against him, do not come up with fictional stories…
One more thing man like A.Ceku, and R. Haradinaj do not run away from justice. That’s why WEST likes them.

Everybody keeps saying Ceku is a crimininal. Why? just because he fought against serbs?

It is just some serb propaganda. I haven't seen anyboy in this forum coming up with real undisputed facts (not from some serb) that prove that Ceku is a crimininal.

And Jovan don't post some link to some serbian website full of propaganda.

MKD Lion - dead people don't lie. The evidence is the bodies, the graves and the missing persons (probably dead). So come to Kosovo and count them.

We have all seen undisputed pictures of dead children and women killed by serbs. Or maybe it was the KLA soldiers with instructions from CIA, that decided to kill their own children so they could blame the serbs?!!

Shukri gashi,

Racak was fabricated, thats someting nobody is seriously deniying today, except those who are trying to spread anti-serbian propaganda...

so, nobody will take you serious if you keep repeating lies...

you said it´s a difference between fighting against soldiers and killing innocent children.
you are quite right.
and just one question: wasn´t it Albanians who shot with automatic weapons at serbian children bathing in a river, killing two of them???

don´t you feel ashamed of writing lines like yours, when it is just the Albanians themselves who are killing children?

Shame on you Serbs who are calling Mr. Ceku a criminal, look on the mirrow! You should learn something from him. He has done is duty while he served in the army, and he is doing damn good work now as Kosovo's PM. Thumbs up for you Mr. Ceku!

You people crack me up! Evidence is what you ask for? Why not ask the Canadian peacekeepers in the Medak pocket on what they saw Agim do to innocent civilians. The West will not allow these soldiers to testify as it implictes their misdeeds in the Balkans. I agree, let all the accused war criminals from the Balkans get their due process, including Mladic, Thaci, Ceku, and Karadzic. But, if the verdict to the Mass Murderer Oric is any indication of justice, then it's worthless for any Serb to go there. The exact reason that Ramush is there, because he will get off free and easy. So, it's easy for him to be brave and go to the Hague because he already has a deal in place. Just watch and see.

I will continue believing that Agim deserves to be in a blue-collar prison and to me is a dispicable human being. But, what do you Albanians care what I think. Just like I don't care about what you think about Mladic, Karadzic, or even Slobo for that matter. We are both obstinate and believe that God is on our side. Hence, we should not be forced to live together, and the borders should be drawn up so that we don't ever have to again. Just my op.

One more thing man like A.Ceku, and R. Haradinaj do not run away from justice. That’s why WEST likes them.
(Ivan Gregory, Thursday, 1 March, 2007, 10:20)


Of course the West likes them, they were bankrolled by the US Government.

Albanians are constantly talking about Haradinaj and Ceku as hero´s...

they are just ignoring that even albanian sources do not share this romantic view...

http://kosovo.birn.eu.com/en/1/51/1770/

since all the witnesses are being killed one by one, I can only shake my head, when those albanian posters here are accusing the Serbs of cowardice, they stay very quite about the cowardice within their hero´s ranks...

you´ve done a good job, birn-guys.

Ever heard of Command Responsibility? You know the doctrine of hierarchical accountability in cases of war crimes?

Gotovina is at the Hague, after his wonderful Spanish Vacation. Why not Ceku as well? Crimes happened on his watch, he should step up and take responsibility if he wants to be a leader of both Kosovars AND Serbs. At least Tadic showed respect to the victims of Srebrenica by attending their memorial and proposing drafts to the Serbian government apologizing for that dark chapter in our history.

Regardless of his innocence or not, just the mere suspicion of his involvement in the crimes of Operation Storm or the retalitory attacks against the Serbian population of Kosovo after the NATO bombing is enough for us Serbs to seriously question his commitment to multiculturalism. If the Albanian population in Kosovo is serious about re-intergrating the Serbian population into the Kosovar culture, I suggest you do not elect leaders with tainted hands.

Then again, with the abandonment of the “Standards before Status” doctrine, who really cares if the Serbs feel safe in Kosovo? One way to ensure peace is to finish the job of ethnic cleansing of Kosovo followed up by the complete destruction of our Serbian Heritage.

Personally, with all the bad things that seem to happen to Serbs when Ceku is around, I’m highly suspicious of his good nature. Is this merely coincidence?

Jovan if you are refering to the murder of children in Gorazhdevac, you are wrong and I would like you to give us facts and please if you have any shred of evidence who did the killing you know where to report this. I have worked on this particular case and the evidence tells us something else and the trail leads someplace else. No K-Albanian is implicated in this horrible murder. Former Police Commissioner Mr. Feller knows the truth about this case.

Milosevic couldnt be found guilty of genocide, and neither could Serbia! Yet, this "man" is guilty of cleansing Croatia of Serbians and the west turns the other way...
(Obilic, Wednesday, 28 February, 2007, 20:35)

He could not be found guilty in an obvious show trial primarily bankrolled by the US but who have years's of back payments to the United Nations.

The Hague Tribunal does not even have enough balls to convict him in Absentia.

The Communists destroyed Yugoslavia and Milosevic was a product of that regime and criminal to the people of Serbia and Yugoslavia.

However, he is far from a war criminal and not even close to a nationalist.

If anyone has a shred of doubt, read the transcripts of his trial available to all on the ICTY website.

F.Pasque,

if you "have worked on that particular case"...you did a very bad job, indeed.

but, nevertheless, that´s not the point here.
you seem to be someone who doesn´t know that much, since this children-shooting was aired on several channels, described in many newspapers, and you dare to say that "signs lead to another place"???
so, you want to sell us here that Serbs are shooting on their own children? I am sorry, but you are just about to disqualify yourself.

The only path to reconciliation starts with you, Agim behind bars. I find this apalling that this guy calls out anyone. He is the biggest criminal still in a position of power, and the West should be ashamed of this.

The biggest criminals are Karadzic and Mladic, and they are also free, as Ceku. My conclusion is simple: if Mladic had been put under arrest and send to The Hague, a long time ago, Ceku would be there also. But the Serb politicians decided to ignore completely the UN's and ICTY's demands, instead of recognizing what had happened, and opted to keep Serbia in misery and poverty.

Bad choice!

Milosevic couldnt be found guilty of genocide, and neither could Serbia! Yet, this "man" is guilty of cleansing Croatia of Serbians and the west turns the other way...

I am proud that Agim Ceku is the prime minister of the state of Kosova. He is a great leader, both militarily (drove out Serb occupiers from Croatia and Kosova), as well as politically (works hard for independence). To the hypocrites who claim he is a war criminal, take a look in the mirror...you are still hiding Mladic and Karadzic.

John, Sasa, or whatever your name is, please show some respect for hundreds of thousands of victims caused by the serbian actions. I can't belief how hypocrite one can be to say that Serbia wasn't behind the wars in the former Yugoslavia.
I am a victim of those wars and I know who killed my uncle, burned my house and deported me to Montenegro.
It was Serbian Army together with Serbian Police and many other paramilitary groups (e.g. Munja, Franki, etc, etc.)

to John, I just don't understand how you don't know the truth of who was to blame of genocide in Bosnia, as in my country Kosova even kids of 9 to 12 years old know who is to be blamed.
And have you ever though why the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova happend when Millosheviq was in power, have you?

The path to reconciliation starts with me getting a Serb wife. But alas, it is not meant to be cuz I am too muslim, too mormon, too ...Albanian

I agree. Even though I have expected all those war-profiters to speak up after that ICG-ruling, I was suprised how shameless some of them are acting.

what´s best is that he even dares to rise some allegations...he, who is known to be a war criminal...how bizarre!

Well, if Serbs should pay for the so called past wrongs, then so should the Albanians for years of discrimination against non muslims during Ottoman rule, and for atrocities comitted during the Balkan wars, world war I and II, and after world war war II until today by Albanians.

Furthermore for those that claim that 10 000 Albanians got murdered during the Kosovo war, please provide your evidence. For a long time we heard about 200 000 dead in Bosnia, though that figure now is down to officially 97 000

Please lets not extort the truth in order to further ones goals.

Does any Albanians have any figures in regars to killed KLA fighters during the Kosovo war? or did no KLA fighters die..

If you we follow the Bosnian factor, the amount of Albanians killed would be around 5000, with 3000 of them KLA soldiers...

Hardly a reason to tear a democratic country apart by facists means....

Of course Jon.
Agim Ceku fought against Yugoslav forces it is different to fight against solders in compare with serbs who killed innocent people in Srebrenica, Krusha e Madhe, Racak, etc.
In contrary Agim Ceku is a ballkan hero because he was the most successful warrior in defending this part of the world from Miloshevic hegemony.

Good point John. This guy have a lot of nerve to declare this afer what he did in Croatia and kosovo.

John, why should west be ashamed of, the Kosovo PM Agim Ceku, has showed a great leadership in Kosovo especially with the returns and reconciliation. It is the Serbs in Kosovo who are boycotting the institutions and the world knows all that.
Say that only if you have any fact against him, do not come up with fictional stories…
One more thing man like A.Ceku, and R. Haradinaj do not run away from justice. That’s why WEST likes them.

Everybody keeps saying Ceku is a crimininal. Why? just because he fought against serbs?

It is just some serb propaganda. I haven't seen anyboy in this forum coming up with real undisputed facts (not from some serb) that prove that Ceku is a crimininal.

And Jovan don't post some link to some serbian website full of propaganda.

MKD Lion - dead people don't lie. The evidence is the bodies, the graves and the missing persons (probably dead). So come to Kosovo and count them.

We have all seen undisputed pictures of dead children and women killed by serbs. Or maybe it was the KLA soldiers with instructions from CIA, that decided to kill their own children so they could blame the serbs?!!

Shukri gashi,

Racak was fabricated, thats someting nobody is seriously deniying today, except those who are trying to spread anti-serbian propaganda...

so, nobody will take you serious if you keep repeating lies...

you said it´s a difference between fighting against soldiers and killing innocent children.
you are quite right.
and just one question: wasn´t it Albanians who shot with automatic weapons at serbian children bathing in a river, killing two of them???

don´t you feel ashamed of writing lines like yours, when it is just the Albanians themselves who are killing children?

Shame on you Serbs who are calling Mr. Ceku a criminal, look on the mirrow! You should learn something from him. He has done is duty while he served in the army, and he is doing damn good work now as Kosovo's PM. Thumbs up for you Mr. Ceku!

You people crack me up! Evidence is what you ask for? Why not ask the Canadian peacekeepers in the Medak pocket on what they saw Agim do to innocent civilians. The West will not allow these soldiers to testify as it implictes their misdeeds in the Balkans. I agree, let all the accused war criminals from the Balkans get their due process, including Mladic, Thaci, Ceku, and Karadzic. But, if the verdict to the Mass Murderer Oric is any indication of justice, then it's worthless for any Serb to go there. The exact reason that Ramush is there, because he will get off free and easy. So, it's easy for him to be brave and go to the Hague because he already has a deal in place. Just watch and see.

I will continue believing that Agim deserves to be in a blue-collar prison and to me is a dispicable human being. But, what do you Albanians care what I think. Just like I don't care about what you think about Mladic, Karadzic, or even Slobo for that matter. We are both obstinate and believe that God is on our side. Hence, we should not be forced to live together, and the borders should be drawn up so that we don't ever have to again. Just my op.

One more thing man like A.Ceku, and R. Haradinaj do not run away from justice. That’s why WEST likes them.
(Ivan Gregory, Thursday, 1 March, 2007, 10:20)


Of course the West likes them, they were bankrolled by the US Government.

Albanians are constantly talking about Haradinaj and Ceku as hero´s...

they are just ignoring that even albanian sources do not share this romantic view...

http://kosovo.birn.eu.com/en/1/51/1770/

since all the witnesses are being killed one by one, I can only shake my head, when those albanian posters here are accusing the Serbs of cowardice, they stay very quite about the cowardice within their hero´s ranks...

you´ve done a good job, birn-guys.

Ever heard of Command Responsibility? You know the doctrine of hierarchical accountability in cases of war crimes?

Gotovina is at the Hague, after his wonderful Spanish Vacation. Why not Ceku as well? Crimes happened on his watch, he should step up and take responsibility if he wants to be a leader of both Kosovars AND Serbs. At least Tadic showed respect to the victims of Srebrenica by attending their memorial and proposing drafts to the Serbian government apologizing for that dark chapter in our history.

Regardless of his innocence or not, just the mere suspicion of his involvement in the crimes of Operation Storm or the retalitory attacks against the Serbian population of Kosovo after the NATO bombing is enough for us Serbs to seriously question his commitment to multiculturalism. If the Albanian population in Kosovo is serious about re-intergrating the Serbian population into the Kosovar culture, I suggest you do not elect leaders with tainted hands.

Then again, with the abandonment of the “Standards before Status” doctrine, who really cares if the Serbs feel safe in Kosovo? One way to ensure peace is to finish the job of ethnic cleansing of Kosovo followed up by the complete destruction of our Serbian Heritage.

Personally, with all the bad things that seem to happen to Serbs when Ceku is around, I’m highly suspicious of his good nature. Is this merely coincidence?

Jovan if you are refering to the murder of children in Gorazhdevac, you are wrong and I would like you to give us facts and please if you have any shred of evidence who did the killing you know where to report this. I have worked on this particular case and the evidence tells us something else and the trail leads someplace else. No K-Albanian is implicated in this horrible murder. Former Police Commissioner Mr. Feller knows the truth about this case.

Milosevic couldnt be found guilty of genocide, and neither could Serbia! Yet, this "man" is guilty of cleansing Croatia of Serbians and the west turns the other way...
(Obilic, Wednesday, 28 February, 2007, 20:35)

He could not be found guilty in an obvious show trial primarily bankrolled by the US but who have years's of back payments to the United Nations.

The Hague Tribunal does not even have enough balls to convict him in Absentia.

The Communists destroyed Yugoslavia and Milosevic was a product of that regime and criminal to the people of Serbia and Yugoslavia.

However, he is far from a war criminal and not even close to a nationalist.

If anyone has a shred of doubt, read the transcripts of his trial available to all on the ICTY website.

F.Pasque,

if you "have worked on that particular case"...you did a very bad job, indeed.

but, nevertheless, that´s not the point here.
you seem to be someone who doesn´t know that much, since this children-shooting was aired on several channels, described in many newspapers, and you dare to say that "signs lead to another place"???
so, you want to sell us here that Serbs are shooting on their own children? I am sorry, but you are just about to disqualify yourself.