“Croatia should drop charges”

Serbia should have a countersuit on behalf of the Serb refugees for property loss and deprivation for almost 1 1/2 decades, looting and destruction of Serbian homes, churches, ethnic cleansing.

Census results showing a drop of the Serb population from a prewar 12.2% to 4.5% shows clear ethnic cleansing.

Transcripts of Tudjman have him clearly calling for the genocide of Serbs, i.e. their destruction and making them practically vanish from Croatia.

Physical disability, torture, sodomy and mutilation of Serbs and Montenegrins in prison camps such as Lora, and using medical evidence and autopsy reports to prove torture and not injury due to battle.

Ida, I completly agree and I guess this is one of the best methods in ensuring that the real truth over events come out and the western media lies and deception is finally shown for what it is. I believe this is why some (US & UK) were in such a rush to go to the UNSC regarding Kosovo & Metohija - it WAS the last chance before the real truth became evident.

Thats a great statistic but did you bother to research the croatian population in Krajina pre-war and just before Oluja? I doubt you did and thats why noone considers the fate of Krajina serbs seriously.
Oh and did you know the serbs are in coalition with the current Tudjman's HDZ party?

Serbia cant countersuit because croatian army wasnt physically nor spirituallyu in serbia. Serb aka JNA was in Croatia though and hence why Serbia will eventually pay compensation to Croatia.

This article has nothing to do with KOSOVA ut rather about CROATIA and serbia. You are one of the kind, but you are wasting your time with your postings.

The government of Serbia wont pay a single penny Daniel. The JNA was the army of a federal state now dead. Whether dominated by Serbs or not is a moot point as the JNA represented other states and not just Serbia. Perhaps Kuwait should persue the new government in Iraq for compensation for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990?

The international courts will rule that Serbia 2007 bears no responsibility for the Federal soveriegn state of Jugoslavia 1990-1995.

Serb political parties entering coalitions with HDZ only shows that Serbs are prepared to forgive (yet again) the crimes of their neighbours... as they did in 1945.

Daniel claiming the JNA was a "Serb" army is pointless as that notion has been proved incorrect many times. Also the FRY didn't exist until late April 1992 by which time the war in Croatia was over. It didn't start again until 1993 (Medak) and then 1995 (Flash and Storm). Logic seems to dictate that the Bosnia judgement ends any realistic probability that Croatia could win the case.

Daniel wrote:
"I doubt you did and thats why noone considers the fate of Krajina serbs seriously.
Oh and did you know the serbs are in coalition with the current Tudjman's HDZ party?"

Well Daniel, what are the stats??
You see, Croatia didn't take the Krajina Serbs seriously. That's what got you INTO the mess..

Tudjman's dead, the HDZ is a bit more mature..
You've obviously never met a Serb from the Krajina..
Brilliant strategy as far as Croatia is concerned. Allow only elders to return, and within a generation, 600 years of Serb history will be forgotten..
But don't worry, you're Serbfrei now..

It is quite ironic that Croatia has decided to jump on the bandwagon to sue Serbia. The Krajina Serbs should immediately file a class action suit for crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing against the state of Croatia. Unfortunately, the serbs are not as well organized as their counterparts.

I just wanted to ask: Are you for real!? Which planet You live on!? Someone said that JNA wasn't Serb's army. No? Was it perhaps Croatian or Slovenian or Macedonian...? I know, it was New Zealand's Army! Wake up and think again. Or maybe next time You'll recommend Germany to countersuit Jews and Western Allies! Unbelievable. And EU still dreams Serbia can become a normal country.

"Or maybe next time You'll recommend Germany to countersuit Jews and Western Allies! Unbelievable. And EU still dreams Serbia can become a normal country.
(toni, Wednesday, 28 February, 2007, 16:26)"

Toni,

Croatia ethnically cleansed Krajina nearly completely, this was done with the guidance and backing of the Croatian government (unlike Srebrenica), clearly the Croatian government is responsible for those crimes that occurred there. Croatia also attacked Bosnia and completely destroyed Mostar. Croatia is equally as guilty as Serbia for the crimes that happened. The only difference is Serbia has started the apology and reconciliation process, while Croatia still celebrates their worst crimes of the war (Operation Storm) as a National Holiday.

Please explain to me why the complete ethnic cleansing of the Serbian population in Croatia is celebrated as a National Holiday? Can you imagine the outrage if Serbia did the same with Srebrenica?

Matthew, you cannot compare what happened in Srebrenica and Operation Oluja, where a few Serbs were killed.

Operation Oluja marks the victory of Croats for years of ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture. The Croats have the right to remember this DAY as a day of deliverance from serbian oppression.

You guys have to decide, is it Serbia legal inherritor of Ex-Yugoslavia or not?
You cannot play it both ways. When it comes to the UN resolution 1244 you say that you are. When it comes to paying for your destructive and inhuman acts, you are not.

Ida, you are talking of a camp were the Serbs were abused! Have you read what happened in Omarska, Keraterm, Tornopolje, Brcko, Bistrica or Lamovita; Marica or Gradiska....

Could you explain why Tudjman has 'called for the genocide of Serbs, i.e. their destruction and making them practically vanish from Croatia.' ?? How come the Serbs are hated to the point that another nation wants them to persih in a genocide? This I cannot understand.

Matthew wrote:
"Croatia ethnically cleansed Krajina nearly completely, this was done with the guidance and backing of the Croatian government".

Yes, interestingly enough i've also heard Dick Cheney on separate interviews comment on the same issue. He actually SIDED with their plight.

As far as JNA goes, nationalism and symbolism was quashed throughout their tenure in Croatia. There were numbers of Croats, Macedonians, and yes, even Albanians who still served the JNA throughout this conflict..In fact, some of the GENERALS weren't even Serbs..There WAS a political corectness involved..
Croats on this board tend to mix up JNA mandate, with nationalism. In fact, there was much internal strife as to HOW the JNA should react to all of this..
Only when they pulled out of Bosnia much later, did it ever mutate into a group of different Serbian divisions and brigades..Even then, it was just old leftovers, and nothing all encompassing.

As far as people like daniel, toni, and to some extent Victor and Sidi are concerned, listen up..... and listen carefully...

DO NOT HIDE BEHIND THE SKIRT OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY TO HIDE YOUR OWN CRIMES AND POINT THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY ELSE'S.
Serbia doesn't have the luxury of that situation, so it will definately pay the full price of her actions, as it already is finding out.

Wrong is wrong and you've gotten away with murder, and your forefathers got away with murder. For you to point your finger and blame the Serbs for the same thing that American foreign policy allowed YOU to do is wrong.

For the Croats:

You can't even come to terms with Jasenovac!!!
For as long as the Croatian nation is concerned, you can blame the Serbs and deflect your OWN shame, but as long as that is being done, you will always carry the stigma of Nazi collaborators and facsists..
Everytime a sugar packet company, or hooligans at soccer games get shown doing something nostalgic, your country will pay the price of that stigma..

Hopefully one day, there will be a true reconcilliation, but with some posters on this board, i can't see how...

Hermon, Serbia is the legal successor to the union of Serbia & Montenegro (2003-2006) which was previously called the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or FRY (1992-2003). However it is not the legal successor state to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) (i.e. the six Republics) which existed from 1945-1992. Therefore the UNSC resolution 1244 which was passed in 1999 applies to the present day Serbia.

Toni, the Jugoslavenska narodna armija (Yugoslav People's Army) or JNA was the army of the SFRY and not an army of Serbs or Serbia.

Someone said that JNA wasn't Serb's army. No? Was it perhaps Croatian or Slovenian or Macedonian...? IFebruary, 2007, 16:26)

The Yugoslav civil war began in 1999 in Slovenia, later in Croatia and Bosnia Herzegovina.

The Vice President of the Yugoslav Federation was Ante Markovic, the President was Stipe Mesic, both of Croatian origin. The General of the Army was half Croatian, Slovenian, General Kadijevic. The successor General of the JNA was General Abdic, of mixed Serbian and Croatian descent.

Prices Serbs have paid...
800,000 Serbians, Jews and Roma civilians cleansed in concentration camps run by Muslims and Croatians.
These are words of genocide my friends.

They have thousands of miles of water which they got as a present form the Nazis and they want an additional kilometer from Slovenia.

This Croatian suit is a joke in itself. I think they are afraid that their crime of Operation Storm has went unpunished. We can forgive, but we can't forget. One day, if justice allows, the Serbs will get their homes and property back in Krajina and only then can we talk about making amends.

To Matthew and Pijetro: I'm sorry, but I still feel like I'm on some other planet. Let's straight some things out. "Krajina" has never been a state. "Krajina" is a just a small region of Republic of Croatia, and has been for a millenium or even longer. "Krajina" in the 90's was pure terrorist form in which a century old dream of a "Great Serbia" was put into effect. Croatia celebrates the Operation Storm because we'd finally got a chance to live as a normal European country, when one can come to the other part of his country without beeing afraid to be killed on a trip. "Krajina" - and all of you know that very well - divided Croatia in two parts! North and south. What happened to the centre of a country? Cats ate it?
So, please have courtesy to admit that any other country in the world would do the same - free roads and cities of criminals that occupied one's country "with a little help from their friends" like Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic. For example, did You know that Ratko Mladic, who's hands were bloody in Srebrenica, attacked Croatia before Srebrenica as well. But no, there was no plan for a Great Serbia. Is it a joke? If it is, it's a bad one. Because hundreds of thousands of people got killed at the end of the 20th century. And why? Because of the "comedians" such as Milosevic. Normal Serbs should hate him and Seselj and Karadzic and Mladic and every other chetnik....! They gave us all misery and pain. Instead of living in peace, we must spend our time on commenting their attrocities and fascist crimes. Let them burn in hell with Hitler, Stalin and others!

Let's straight some things out. "Krajina" has never been a state. "Krajina" is a just a small region of Republic of Croatia,

Krajina had greater powers than Croatia during the Austro-Hungarian empire and complete freedom as the South Yugoslav popululation was used as a shield against the Ottoman Empire. Croatia was under the governship of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Croatia was given a country until 1941 when the Nazi's seized power and allowed the Nazi Ustasha supported Ante Pavelic power.

Krajina may never have been a true state , niether was Croatia until the Vatican and Germany made sure it was a state during the civil war in Yugoslavia. The war was started becuase Croatia was run by a right wing fascist, Franjo Tudjman.

Don't forget to include Ante Pavelic and Franjo Tudjman to your list of those burning in hell because they have blood in there hands.

Toni wrote :
"To Matthew and Pijetro: I'm sorry, but I still feel like I'm on some other planet. Let's straight some things out."

Toni, this argument about "other planets" i see is methodically used in these forums.

Those "aliens" using the above
argument, base it, mainly on the factor of majority,
e.g. USA says A, UK says A, Spain says A, albania tries to immitate this A, Muslim/Catholic South Slavs says A, so that by (your) Definition A should be more correct/powerful/meaningful than B.

Well unfortunately the "TRUTH"
does not understand a thing about sneaky politics, and strategies.

Truth is truth my friend and some day she will shine.

(But by that day, you will be hiding behind Serbs again, in this next future Panslavism movement that may come).

(The question is if Serbs will believe you then....) ;-)

The person who put together the Bosnian lawsuit offered the legal papers for free to Croatia for her to file against Serbia -- Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Frances Boyle.

From 1991 to 1993, Boyle was a legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and threatened to sue Amnesty International for bias in its coverage of abuses against Palestinians’ human rights. Boyle is currently attorney of record for the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, was and advisor to Izetbegovic and was made an honorary citizen of Bosnia in 1993. Boyle currently has petitioned the UN to set up an International Criminal Tribunal to try President Bush & his administration for "war crimes" -- ala the one against Yugoslavia. (A quick interent search will verify all of this re Boyle.)

Makes me sick that an American university professor could stir up a politcal firestorm in the Balkans!

Mel: boyle stirred up a firestorm because she failed..miserably..the Bosnian state..they should revoke her citizenship and sue her for any monies she may have taken.. It's up to Bosnians now to sue serbia on individual bases...they'll each gain far more than any state vs state suit..

First and foremost, I am honored to be lumped together with Pijetro, I respect his views very much indeed.

To Mr. “I’m only for the Victims” Victor,

“you cannot compare what happened in Srebrenica and Operation Oluja, where a few Serbs were killed.”

First off Victor, I was speaking about State responsibility for crimes committed against their populations, that the Croatian government can not get off the hook as far as planning goes. However, will the US be held accountable for the crimes committed against Serbs for the very same reasons Serbia was for their role in Bosnia? The US certainly helped and advised the Croatians in a similar fashion that Serbia did. The US illegally smuggled weapons and arms to the Croatians as well as training. In addition, the US helped actually plan Operation Storm, something you can not say about Serbia and Srebrenica.

However, if you want to compare the two, Srebrenica was the single worst act of slaughter, murder and death in Bosnia. This has been determined to amount to Genocide.

Operation Storm on the other hand has the distinction of being the most severe act of Ethnic Cleansing of the recent Balkan conflicts. Hundreds of thousands of Serbs and finally achieving the dreams of the Ustashe for a Serbian free Croatia.

You claim to care for the victims of the war, yet you constantly blame all Serbs equally for the fate that befell them.

My wife was 16 years old when Operation Storm happened. She’s just a sweet innocent villager, who likes to write poetry. She was “Kuma” at her Bosniak friend’s wedding from her village. She and her family are absolutely the nicest and kindest and most caring people you will ever meet in your life. Her family were brutally slaughtered in WWII. I went with her Grandfather to Jasenovac for the first time in decades, if ever. These poor innocent farmers suffered terribly. She still has nightmares about what happened. She talks in her sleep, all I know is it must have been terrible.

Yet you constantly make statements like

“Serbs cannot accuse the Croats for what happened in the Krajina…”

“Operation Oluja marks the victory of Croats for years of ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture. The Croats have the right to remember this DAY as a day of deliverance from serbian oppression.”

“How come the Serbs are hated to the point that another nation wants them to persih in a genocide?”

“For what reasons? Is it because it is too difficult to live with the Serbs?”

“we all know that Croats do not want to live with Serbs; and the 70 000 Serbs who left knew this also. And I say they took the best decision.”

“If the Serbs were afraid to live under Croat and Bosnian rules, they only had to live the country.”

“What did the Serbs expect? You cannot make an omelet without breaking the eggs.”

“Too bad that Milosevic did not evacuate his citizens before the arrival of the Croat Army. He is responsible for the death of the civilians who were killed.”

You act like it all happened in a vacuum. That Serbs for no reason just went all crazy berserk and bloodthirsty.

I have a question for the Pro-Croatian people here, what did you think the Serbian response would be when you elected a madman like Tudjman? Or when you started using the Ustasha flag and currency, or created paramilitary groups calling themselves the Ustashe? Or when you started removing Serbians from their positions of employment based on ethnicity. To us Serbs, that’s like an open declaration of Genocide.

Keep in mind the UN opposed your independence because no one thought you would respect the Human Rights of the Serbian people. Why is it that your two WWII Allies, Germany and the Vatican were the first to recognize your independence? Not one of you seems to feel any sort of remorse for the crimes that happened in WWII, which led directly to Operation Storm. To us, it seems your plans finally materialized in 1995. You are now nearly completely free of Serbs. Does that make you feel proud? To have an ethnically homogenous state?

In addition, I would kindly like an explanation for what happened in Mostar. The Bosniaks were your allies. Why did you turn on them?

Now, I’m sure you would all love to portray me as some Croat hater, but unfortunately that is not true in the least. I judge individuals on their own merits. My best friend in Bosnia was a great Croat kid who’s family left for the states when he was 7 because of the war. When I met him he was 17 living in Bosnia and very unhappy about it. His family wanted him to stay in Bosnia and go into the army. I GAVE him $900 so he could buy a plane ticket to the US when he turned 18. I’m happy to report that he’s doing well in college and has a good job as a manager at UPS. He still sends me a birthday present every year, and we talk on the phone often.

Serbia should have a countersuit on behalf of the Serb refugees for property loss and deprivation for almost 1 1/2 decades, looting and destruction of Serbian homes, churches, ethnic cleansing.

Census results showing a drop of the Serb population from a prewar 12.2% to 4.5% shows clear ethnic cleansing.

Transcripts of Tudjman have him clearly calling for the genocide of Serbs, i.e. their destruction and making them practically vanish from Croatia.

Physical disability, torture, sodomy and mutilation of Serbs and Montenegrins in prison camps such as Lora, and using medical evidence and autopsy reports to prove torture and not injury due to battle.

Ida, I completly agree and I guess this is one of the best methods in ensuring that the real truth over events come out and the western media lies and deception is finally shown for what it is. I believe this is why some (US & UK) were in such a rush to go to the UNSC regarding Kosovo & Metohija - it WAS the last chance before the real truth became evident.

Thats a great statistic but did you bother to research the croatian population in Krajina pre-war and just before Oluja? I doubt you did and thats why noone considers the fate of Krajina serbs seriously.
Oh and did you know the serbs are in coalition with the current Tudjman's HDZ party?

Serbia cant countersuit because croatian army wasnt physically nor spirituallyu in serbia. Serb aka JNA was in Croatia though and hence why Serbia will eventually pay compensation to Croatia.

This article has nothing to do with KOSOVA ut rather about CROATIA and serbia. You are one of the kind, but you are wasting your time with your postings.

The government of Serbia wont pay a single penny Daniel. The JNA was the army of a federal state now dead. Whether dominated by Serbs or not is a moot point as the JNA represented other states and not just Serbia. Perhaps Kuwait should persue the new government in Iraq for compensation for Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990?

The international courts will rule that Serbia 2007 bears no responsibility for the Federal soveriegn state of Jugoslavia 1990-1995.

Serb political parties entering coalitions with HDZ only shows that Serbs are prepared to forgive (yet again) the crimes of their neighbours... as they did in 1945.

Daniel claiming the JNA was a "Serb" army is pointless as that notion has been proved incorrect many times. Also the FRY didn't exist until late April 1992 by which time the war in Croatia was over. It didn't start again until 1993 (Medak) and then 1995 (Flash and Storm). Logic seems to dictate that the Bosnia judgement ends any realistic probability that Croatia could win the case.

Daniel wrote:
"I doubt you did and thats why noone considers the fate of Krajina serbs seriously.
Oh and did you know the serbs are in coalition with the current Tudjman's HDZ party?"

Well Daniel, what are the stats??
You see, Croatia didn't take the Krajina Serbs seriously. That's what got you INTO the mess..

Tudjman's dead, the HDZ is a bit more mature..
You've obviously never met a Serb from the Krajina..
Brilliant strategy as far as Croatia is concerned. Allow only elders to return, and within a generation, 600 years of Serb history will be forgotten..
But don't worry, you're Serbfrei now..

It is quite ironic that Croatia has decided to jump on the bandwagon to sue Serbia. The Krajina Serbs should immediately file a class action suit for crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing against the state of Croatia. Unfortunately, the serbs are not as well organized as their counterparts.

I just wanted to ask: Are you for real!? Which planet You live on!? Someone said that JNA wasn't Serb's army. No? Was it perhaps Croatian or Slovenian or Macedonian...? I know, it was New Zealand's Army! Wake up and think again. Or maybe next time You'll recommend Germany to countersuit Jews and Western Allies! Unbelievable. And EU still dreams Serbia can become a normal country.

"Or maybe next time You'll recommend Germany to countersuit Jews and Western Allies! Unbelievable. And EU still dreams Serbia can become a normal country.
(toni, Wednesday, 28 February, 2007, 16:26)"

Toni,

Croatia ethnically cleansed Krajina nearly completely, this was done with the guidance and backing of the Croatian government (unlike Srebrenica), clearly the Croatian government is responsible for those crimes that occurred there. Croatia also attacked Bosnia and completely destroyed Mostar. Croatia is equally as guilty as Serbia for the crimes that happened. The only difference is Serbia has started the apology and reconciliation process, while Croatia still celebrates their worst crimes of the war (Operation Storm) as a National Holiday.

Please explain to me why the complete ethnic cleansing of the Serbian population in Croatia is celebrated as a National Holiday? Can you imagine the outrage if Serbia did the same with Srebrenica?

Matthew, you cannot compare what happened in Srebrenica and Operation Oluja, where a few Serbs were killed.

Operation Oluja marks the victory of Croats for years of ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture. The Croats have the right to remember this DAY as a day of deliverance from serbian oppression.

You guys have to decide, is it Serbia legal inherritor of Ex-Yugoslavia or not?
You cannot play it both ways. When it comes to the UN resolution 1244 you say that you are. When it comes to paying for your destructive and inhuman acts, you are not.

Ida, you are talking of a camp were the Serbs were abused! Have you read what happened in Omarska, Keraterm, Tornopolje, Brcko, Bistrica or Lamovita; Marica or Gradiska....

Could you explain why Tudjman has 'called for the genocide of Serbs, i.e. their destruction and making them practically vanish from Croatia.' ?? How come the Serbs are hated to the point that another nation wants them to persih in a genocide? This I cannot understand.

Matthew wrote:
"Croatia ethnically cleansed Krajina nearly completely, this was done with the guidance and backing of the Croatian government".

Yes, interestingly enough i've also heard Dick Cheney on separate interviews comment on the same issue. He actually SIDED with their plight.

As far as JNA goes, nationalism and symbolism was quashed throughout their tenure in Croatia. There were numbers of Croats, Macedonians, and yes, even Albanians who still served the JNA throughout this conflict..In fact, some of the GENERALS weren't even Serbs..There WAS a political corectness involved..
Croats on this board tend to mix up JNA mandate, with nationalism. In fact, there was much internal strife as to HOW the JNA should react to all of this..
Only when they pulled out of Bosnia much later, did it ever mutate into a group of different Serbian divisions and brigades..Even then, it was just old leftovers, and nothing all encompassing.

As far as people like daniel, toni, and to some extent Victor and Sidi are concerned, listen up..... and listen carefully...

DO NOT HIDE BEHIND THE SKIRT OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY TO HIDE YOUR OWN CRIMES AND POINT THE FINGER AT SOMEBODY ELSE'S.
Serbia doesn't have the luxury of that situation, so it will definately pay the full price of her actions, as it already is finding out.

Wrong is wrong and you've gotten away with murder, and your forefathers got away with murder. For you to point your finger and blame the Serbs for the same thing that American foreign policy allowed YOU to do is wrong.

For the Croats:

You can't even come to terms with Jasenovac!!!
For as long as the Croatian nation is concerned, you can blame the Serbs and deflect your OWN shame, but as long as that is being done, you will always carry the stigma of Nazi collaborators and facsists..
Everytime a sugar packet company, or hooligans at soccer games get shown doing something nostalgic, your country will pay the price of that stigma..

Hopefully one day, there will be a true reconcilliation, but with some posters on this board, i can't see how...

Hermon, Serbia is the legal successor to the union of Serbia & Montenegro (2003-2006) which was previously called the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or FRY (1992-2003). However it is not the legal successor state to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) (i.e. the six Republics) which existed from 1945-1992. Therefore the UNSC resolution 1244 which was passed in 1999 applies to the present day Serbia.

Toni, the Jugoslavenska narodna armija (Yugoslav People's Army) or JNA was the army of the SFRY and not an army of Serbs or Serbia.

Someone said that JNA wasn't Serb's army. No? Was it perhaps Croatian or Slovenian or Macedonian...? IFebruary, 2007, 16:26)

The Yugoslav civil war began in 1999 in Slovenia, later in Croatia and Bosnia Herzegovina.

The Vice President of the Yugoslav Federation was Ante Markovic, the President was Stipe Mesic, both of Croatian origin. The General of the Army was half Croatian, Slovenian, General Kadijevic. The successor General of the JNA was General Abdic, of mixed Serbian and Croatian descent.

Prices Serbs have paid...
800,000 Serbians, Jews and Roma civilians cleansed in concentration camps run by Muslims and Croatians.
These are words of genocide my friends.

They have thousands of miles of water which they got as a present form the Nazis and they want an additional kilometer from Slovenia.

This Croatian suit is a joke in itself. I think they are afraid that their crime of Operation Storm has went unpunished. We can forgive, but we can't forget. One day, if justice allows, the Serbs will get their homes and property back in Krajina and only then can we talk about making amends.

To Matthew and Pijetro: I'm sorry, but I still feel like I'm on some other planet. Let's straight some things out. "Krajina" has never been a state. "Krajina" is a just a small region of Republic of Croatia, and has been for a millenium or even longer. "Krajina" in the 90's was pure terrorist form in which a century old dream of a "Great Serbia" was put into effect. Croatia celebrates the Operation Storm because we'd finally got a chance to live as a normal European country, when one can come to the other part of his country without beeing afraid to be killed on a trip. "Krajina" - and all of you know that very well - divided Croatia in two parts! North and south. What happened to the centre of a country? Cats ate it?
So, please have courtesy to admit that any other country in the world would do the same - free roads and cities of criminals that occupied one's country "with a little help from their friends" like Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic. For example, did You know that Ratko Mladic, who's hands were bloody in Srebrenica, attacked Croatia before Srebrenica as well. But no, there was no plan for a Great Serbia. Is it a joke? If it is, it's a bad one. Because hundreds of thousands of people got killed at the end of the 20th century. And why? Because of the "comedians" such as Milosevic. Normal Serbs should hate him and Seselj and Karadzic and Mladic and every other chetnik....! They gave us all misery and pain. Instead of living in peace, we must spend our time on commenting their attrocities and fascist crimes. Let them burn in hell with Hitler, Stalin and others!

Let's straight some things out. "Krajina" has never been a state. "Krajina" is a just a small region of Republic of Croatia,

Krajina had greater powers than Croatia during the Austro-Hungarian empire and complete freedom as the South Yugoslav popululation was used as a shield against the Ottoman Empire. Croatia was under the governship of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Croatia was given a country until 1941 when the Nazi's seized power and allowed the Nazi Ustasha supported Ante Pavelic power.

Krajina may never have been a true state , niether was Croatia until the Vatican and Germany made sure it was a state during the civil war in Yugoslavia. The war was started becuase Croatia was run by a right wing fascist, Franjo Tudjman.

Don't forget to include Ante Pavelic and Franjo Tudjman to your list of those burning in hell because they have blood in there hands.

Toni wrote :
"To Matthew and Pijetro: I'm sorry, but I still feel like I'm on some other planet. Let's straight some things out."

Toni, this argument about "other planets" i see is methodically used in these forums.

Those "aliens" using the above
argument, base it, mainly on the factor of majority,
e.g. USA says A, UK says A, Spain says A, albania tries to immitate this A, Muslim/Catholic South Slavs says A, so that by (your) Definition A should be more correct/powerful/meaningful than B.

Well unfortunately the "TRUTH"
does not understand a thing about sneaky politics, and strategies.

Truth is truth my friend and some day she will shine.

(But by that day, you will be hiding behind Serbs again, in this next future Panslavism movement that may come).

(The question is if Serbs will believe you then....) ;-)

The person who put together the Bosnian lawsuit offered the legal papers for free to Croatia for her to file against Serbia -- Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Frances Boyle.

From 1991 to 1993, Boyle was a legal advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and threatened to sue Amnesty International for bias in its coverage of abuses against Palestinians’ human rights. Boyle is currently attorney of record for the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, was and advisor to Izetbegovic and was made an honorary citizen of Bosnia in 1993. Boyle currently has petitioned the UN to set up an International Criminal Tribunal to try President Bush & his administration for "war crimes" -- ala the one against Yugoslavia. (A quick interent search will verify all of this re Boyle.)

Makes me sick that an American university professor could stir up a politcal firestorm in the Balkans!

Mel: boyle stirred up a firestorm because she failed..miserably..the Bosnian state..they should revoke her citizenship and sue her for any monies she may have taken.. It's up to Bosnians now to sue serbia on individual bases...they'll each gain far more than any state vs state suit..

First and foremost, I am honored to be lumped together with Pijetro, I respect his views very much indeed.

To Mr. “I’m only for the Victims” Victor,

“you cannot compare what happened in Srebrenica and Operation Oluja, where a few Serbs were killed.”

First off Victor, I was speaking about State responsibility for crimes committed against their populations, that the Croatian government can not get off the hook as far as planning goes. However, will the US be held accountable for the crimes committed against Serbs for the very same reasons Serbia was for their role in Bosnia? The US certainly helped and advised the Croatians in a similar fashion that Serbia did. The US illegally smuggled weapons and arms to the Croatians as well as training. In addition, the US helped actually plan Operation Storm, something you can not say about Serbia and Srebrenica.

However, if you want to compare the two, Srebrenica was the single worst act of slaughter, murder and death in Bosnia. This has been determined to amount to Genocide.

Operation Storm on the other hand has the distinction of being the most severe act of Ethnic Cleansing of the recent Balkan conflicts. Hundreds of thousands of Serbs and finally achieving the dreams of the Ustashe for a Serbian free Croatia.

You claim to care for the victims of the war, yet you constantly blame all Serbs equally for the fate that befell them.

My wife was 16 years old when Operation Storm happened. She’s just a sweet innocent villager, who likes to write poetry. She was “Kuma” at her Bosniak friend’s wedding from her village. She and her family are absolutely the nicest and kindest and most caring people you will ever meet in your life. Her family were brutally slaughtered in WWII. I went with her Grandfather to Jasenovac for the first time in decades, if ever. These poor innocent farmers suffered terribly. She still has nightmares about what happened. She talks in her sleep, all I know is it must have been terrible.

Yet you constantly make statements like

“Serbs cannot accuse the Croats for what happened in the Krajina…”

“Operation Oluja marks the victory of Croats for years of ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture. The Croats have the right to remember this DAY as a day of deliverance from serbian oppression.”

“How come the Serbs are hated to the point that another nation wants them to persih in a genocide?”

“For what reasons? Is it because it is too difficult to live with the Serbs?”

“we all know that Croats do not want to live with Serbs; and the 70 000 Serbs who left knew this also. And I say they took the best decision.”

“If the Serbs were afraid to live under Croat and Bosnian rules, they only had to live the country.”

“What did the Serbs expect? You cannot make an omelet without breaking the eggs.”

“Too bad that Milosevic did not evacuate his citizens before the arrival of the Croat Army. He is responsible for the death of the civilians who were killed.”

You act like it all happened in a vacuum. That Serbs for no reason just went all crazy berserk and bloodthirsty.

I have a question for the Pro-Croatian people here, what did you think the Serbian response would be when you elected a madman like Tudjman? Or when you started using the Ustasha flag and currency, or created paramilitary groups calling themselves the Ustashe? Or when you started removing Serbians from their positions of employment based on ethnicity. To us Serbs, that’s like an open declaration of Genocide.

Keep in mind the UN opposed your independence because no one thought you would respect the Human Rights of the Serbian people. Why is it that your two WWII Allies, Germany and the Vatican were the first to recognize your independence? Not one of you seems to feel any sort of remorse for the crimes that happened in WWII, which led directly to Operation Storm. To us, it seems your plans finally materialized in 1995. You are now nearly completely free of Serbs. Does that make you feel proud? To have an ethnically homogenous state?

In addition, I would kindly like an explanation for what happened in Mostar. The Bosniaks were your allies. Why did you turn on them?

Now, I’m sure you would all love to portray me as some Croat hater, but unfortunately that is not true in the least. I judge individuals on their own merits. My best friend in Bosnia was a great Croat kid who’s family left for the states when he was 7 because of the war. When I met him he was 17 living in Bosnia and very unhappy about it. His family wanted him to stay in Bosnia and go into the army. I GAVE him $900 so he could buy a plane ticket to the US when he turned 18. I’m happy to report that he’s doing well in college and has a good job as a manager at UPS. He still sends me a birthday present every year, and we talk on the phone often.