Russian media: Lavrov talks veto

wrong.

he completely misses the point. He just doesn't get it. Russia is not supporting Serbia b/c it's being friendly (Russia will do what's good for Russia).

Russia is supporting Serbia because it is flexing its muscles. It is re-establishing itself on the world stage. It is picking a fight with a bleeding Washington after being humiliated by Washington - an out-of-control superpower for 15 years.

Some very serious American newspapers have already drawn attention to the heightened Cold War era rhetoric which spilled over this weekend.

Serbia was smart enough to read the signs last year and is piggybacking the K issue on the Russian strategy (and Moscow is obliging). both of our people's are are caught in a super-power showdown. Do not be naïve.

I don't know what will happen... but make no mistake... the era of hyper-super power has officially ended. It is OVER and wshington will CONFORM to it (and i say it's about time).

Do you not find it strange that neither George Bush, nor Dick Cheney, nor Condoleeza Rice, have spoken out about K while Putin, Ivanov, and Lavrov continue to speak all kinds of trash-talk?

the usa is in real deep sh*t. real deep. the govt is split. iraq burns. iran continues its way. and yesterday bush acknowledges a risk of losing afghanistan. man oh man. what a mess.

This is the main problem with this region: people see and hear only what they want to see and hear. Ceku is pinning all his hopes and successes on two factors completely out of his hands: unwavering US support and a faltering Russia before the end. If Russia doesn't veto the resolution it will be because the status solution will already be compromised and altered by the time it reaches the UN for a vote. Conversely, Belgrade IS putting all its hopes on a potential Russian/Chinese block, and in the end, both Belgrade and Pristina are placing the future of their own destinies in the hands of outside players, but are stubborn enough to think their respective outside supporters will continue their support.

If Ceku were more mature, he'd realize the potential Russian block and do all he could to avert such a move. Instead of sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the signs from Moscow, hoping Uncle Sam will come to their rescue, it would look better if he and his government were to offer clear compromises to the other side. In this way, he'd be seen more as a leader, and less of a client partner to larger interests.

... the same reason that Russia is not working for Serbia, but for it´s own interest.. is on the "other side" the Albanians will have to realize that the US are not their "friend" but only following their own interests in that region.

but, as far as it looks, the americans are loosing the grip...since their problems are getting bigger in other parts of the world...

and Russia´s influence in the balkans is greater than seven years ago. remember russian investors in Montenegro, freetrade-treaty with Serbia ( located right in the middle of the CEFTA-region ) ...

let´s see what future brings...

you´re right Mike!

Ceku is all but a leader, unfortunately moderate Albanians have ( at the moment ) no chance to play a role in K-albanian affairs, since they live under the constant threat of criminal violence if they put the current leaders into doubt...

sooner or later, the Albanians will choose better leaders ( without dirty hands, covered by blood and drugs )

Serbia may be pinning its hopes on a Russia/China veto but what has serbia to lose. The west made their decision on status before bombing in 1999. The longer the status is delayed the more it goes against the albanians. Russia knows that simply delaying it causes further problems with the impaitient albanians and more troops will need to be committed. America has no allies that have a substantial amount of troops. All european countries have made cuts in defence. The longer this drags on the more desparate the west becomes and are more likely to pay more in return to russia for a compromise.

Should the EU recognize the independence of TransDniester and Republica Srbska in return for Russia recognizing Kosovo?Food for thought for the EU intelectuals.Neither the Romanians in Moldova nor the Muslims in Bosnia can interfere with these scenarios if the big powers decide yes.It is really the FEAR of Albanian violence that is pushing many for an accelerated solution to Kosovo's final status but the Romanians and Bosniacs are much easier to pacify considering the fact that TransDniester and RS are both de facto independent already.

Jovan,
You dont have to worry about Albanian leaders. K-Albanians are happy with thier President and their P-minister. You have plenty to worry about your Serbian leadership who just keeps messing up.

@Hermon:

well written Hermon, unfortunately your approach is either naive or malevolent, either way you´re not helping ordinary Albanians to improve their daily life.


it´s a known and undisputed fact ( I won´t provide the links here, since I did it yesterday in a previous comment ) that the K-albanian so called "leadership" is simply a bunch of criminals.

you are refusing to see the truth, I understand that very well.

but you don´t have to tell me " don´t worry"

...since I do not worry at all.

it´s the Albanians who should be worried, but they are not capable to see that they are misguided by ordinary criminals, looking up to them as hero´s.

and you seem to think that too, since you are posting a statement so ignorant to facts, like I haven´t seen it for a while...

just check the links I have provided. you´ll be quite dissappointed, I guess.

Political play by Russia, they will play hard to get until they will give up in the end and recognize Kosovo. It is in their interest to do so...

Flexing the muscles against who? US and EU the largest wealthiest and strongest bodies in the world. You must be very naive to believe that. In the end Russia will cooperate with both EU and US and recognize the will of the majority for they are the real stability factor.

All I read from Serbs is: Albanians with dirty hands,
Albanians with bloody hands, Albanians with drugs, Albanians with crime, Albanians with organised crime, like Kosovo is hell and Serbia is paradise. Such prejudices of Serb people have gave strong argument to the western world that Kosovo will not go back at pre 1999 era.
Check Serbian parliament and see who has dirty hands (white shirt with Sesel picture), Milosevic's party, Kostunica's party.
God when this will end (Nebeski narod)

I also believe Russia would like flex their muscle in Europe a bit, in my opinion it’s not just a message to Washington. They are essentially trying to reestablish a sphere of influence in a part of Europe. Its quite possible that the bizarre almost Cold War-ish assassination of Litvinenko in London was a message that the Kremlin has returned to old school tactics of diplomacy. It will be interesting to see how the EU reacts to Russia insistence on meddling in European affairs. Will they welcome Russia as a European power in their own right and use them as a balance to the power of the US. Have relations between the US and France/Germany deteriorated enough for Russia to hold some sway?

RE: Russia on the World Stage

Putin's approval rating is over 70% in Russia, Bush is sitting at 24% in the US. Bush is ignoring Congress and sending more troops to Iraq against the wishes of the American public.

That should give you an idea of where the American public stands on Bush and current US foreign policy. Kosovo is just a blip in the eye of the American public, Europe and Russia will decide the status of Kosovo.

Albanians i am afraid that i have to inform you that Russia from 1999. is gone forever and Russia in 2007 is full with money,so they don't need any loans,credits etc.etc.West doesn't have anything to give them that can "buy" them.They de facto alredy control Ossetia,Abkhazia etc. so West can't give them something they already have.As Putin said last week in Munich "i'm afraid that i have to inform our Western partners that weak,humiliated,poor Russia doesn't exist anymore".Good luck!

betabe:

first of all you should just start to read properly, that you would not write those mistakes.

1. "All I read of Serbs is"
for your information:
that is what I, personally, have written, so don´t mix my personal opinion
( in the end, I was only posting what the german intelligence, BND is stating, buth that´s something you don´t care, right? )
up with the whole serbian nation.

2. instead of deliberately misinterpreting my comment, you should finally start thinking of your own future, whether you really want to be ruled by criminals ( and I repeat it again, it´s the Germans, who see Ceku and his "leadership" as blood-handed criminals )

3.
do you really cannot understand that I wrote Ceku and his leadership ( and not "the Albanians"? what must be written in order to make you get it?

please, do us all a favour, and stop spreading this rather naive kind of propaganda.

I think that the only reason that Russia says it is reluctant to use the veto is because they have calculated that the Albanians probably will, and they probaly want the Albanians to reject the compromise the Serbs have been offering them and that is enshined in the Serbian Constitution.

I believe that most people, even unbiased people belive that the Russians strongly desire to use the veto because it is necessary for them. The Russians think that after the veto that the most likely situation is for the Albanians to declare independence, and then the Anglo- Saxons will be put ON THE SPOT. Thats right the Anglo-Saxons will be damned if they do and damned if they do not recognise Kosovo's independence and most people know it.

If the Anglo-Saxons and all the puppets they can find recognise Kosovo" independence, then all those regions that want to join up with Russia will declare independence, and Russia and other counties will accept their declaration of independence. Those regions will just follow the Albanians tactics and join up with Russia. Russia will honestly be able to say to Serbia that they did all they could for them and this is true, and Serbia may become a Russian Colony.

Russia has a lot to gain by the veto, and if they can get people to think that they will not veto, then the Albanians will not want to compromise which is what UN SC 1244 says they should do.

The reason that this status talks has been delayed has not been for the benefit of the Serbs, and if "status" was not just a fancy and deceitful word that means independence, then automony would be just fine as final status if any kind of final status is what is wanted. People can call it final status, but it just might even be temporary status, and if Serbia did become a Russian Colony, then perhaps the Russians woyld want THEIR province of Kosovo.

wrong.

he completely misses the point. He just doesn't get it. Russia is not supporting Serbia b/c it's being friendly (Russia will do what's good for Russia).

Russia is supporting Serbia because it is flexing its muscles. It is re-establishing itself on the world stage. It is picking a fight with a bleeding Washington after being humiliated by Washington - an out-of-control superpower for 15 years.

Some very serious American newspapers have already drawn attention to the heightened Cold War era rhetoric which spilled over this weekend.

Serbia was smart enough to read the signs last year and is piggybacking the K issue on the Russian strategy (and Moscow is obliging). both of our people's are are caught in a super-power showdown. Do not be naïve.

I don't know what will happen... but make no mistake... the era of hyper-super power has officially ended. It is OVER and wshington will CONFORM to it (and i say it's about time).

Do you not find it strange that neither George Bush, nor Dick Cheney, nor Condoleeza Rice, have spoken out about K while Putin, Ivanov, and Lavrov continue to speak all kinds of trash-talk?

the usa is in real deep sh*t. real deep. the govt is split. iraq burns. iran continues its way. and yesterday bush acknowledges a risk of losing afghanistan. man oh man. what a mess.

This is the main problem with this region: people see and hear only what they want to see and hear. Ceku is pinning all his hopes and successes on two factors completely out of his hands: unwavering US support and a faltering Russia before the end. If Russia doesn't veto the resolution it will be because the status solution will already be compromised and altered by the time it reaches the UN for a vote. Conversely, Belgrade IS putting all its hopes on a potential Russian/Chinese block, and in the end, both Belgrade and Pristina are placing the future of their own destinies in the hands of outside players, but are stubborn enough to think their respective outside supporters will continue their support.

If Ceku were more mature, he'd realize the potential Russian block and do all he could to avert such a move. Instead of sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the signs from Moscow, hoping Uncle Sam will come to their rescue, it would look better if he and his government were to offer clear compromises to the other side. In this way, he'd be seen more as a leader, and less of a client partner to larger interests.

... the same reason that Russia is not working for Serbia, but for it´s own interest.. is on the "other side" the Albanians will have to realize that the US are not their "friend" but only following their own interests in that region.

but, as far as it looks, the americans are loosing the grip...since their problems are getting bigger in other parts of the world...

and Russia´s influence in the balkans is greater than seven years ago. remember russian investors in Montenegro, freetrade-treaty with Serbia ( located right in the middle of the CEFTA-region ) ...

let´s see what future brings...

you´re right Mike!

Ceku is all but a leader, unfortunately moderate Albanians have ( at the moment ) no chance to play a role in K-albanian affairs, since they live under the constant threat of criminal violence if they put the current leaders into doubt...

sooner or later, the Albanians will choose better leaders ( without dirty hands, covered by blood and drugs )

Serbia may be pinning its hopes on a Russia/China veto but what has serbia to lose. The west made their decision on status before bombing in 1999. The longer the status is delayed the more it goes against the albanians. Russia knows that simply delaying it causes further problems with the impaitient albanians and more troops will need to be committed. America has no allies that have a substantial amount of troops. All european countries have made cuts in defence. The longer this drags on the more desparate the west becomes and are more likely to pay more in return to russia for a compromise.

Should the EU recognize the independence of TransDniester and Republica Srbska in return for Russia recognizing Kosovo?Food for thought for the EU intelectuals.Neither the Romanians in Moldova nor the Muslims in Bosnia can interfere with these scenarios if the big powers decide yes.It is really the FEAR of Albanian violence that is pushing many for an accelerated solution to Kosovo's final status but the Romanians and Bosniacs are much easier to pacify considering the fact that TransDniester and RS are both de facto independent already.

Jovan,
You dont have to worry about Albanian leaders. K-Albanians are happy with thier President and their P-minister. You have plenty to worry about your Serbian leadership who just keeps messing up.

@Hermon:

well written Hermon, unfortunately your approach is either naive or malevolent, either way you´re not helping ordinary Albanians to improve their daily life.


it´s a known and undisputed fact ( I won´t provide the links here, since I did it yesterday in a previous comment ) that the K-albanian so called "leadership" is simply a bunch of criminals.

you are refusing to see the truth, I understand that very well.

but you don´t have to tell me " don´t worry"

...since I do not worry at all.

it´s the Albanians who should be worried, but they are not capable to see that they are misguided by ordinary criminals, looking up to them as hero´s.

and you seem to think that too, since you are posting a statement so ignorant to facts, like I haven´t seen it for a while...

just check the links I have provided. you´ll be quite dissappointed, I guess.

Political play by Russia, they will play hard to get until they will give up in the end and recognize Kosovo. It is in their interest to do so...

Flexing the muscles against who? US and EU the largest wealthiest and strongest bodies in the world. You must be very naive to believe that. In the end Russia will cooperate with both EU and US and recognize the will of the majority for they are the real stability factor.

All I read from Serbs is: Albanians with dirty hands,
Albanians with bloody hands, Albanians with drugs, Albanians with crime, Albanians with organised crime, like Kosovo is hell and Serbia is paradise. Such prejudices of Serb people have gave strong argument to the western world that Kosovo will not go back at pre 1999 era.
Check Serbian parliament and see who has dirty hands (white shirt with Sesel picture), Milosevic's party, Kostunica's party.
God when this will end (Nebeski narod)

I also believe Russia would like flex their muscle in Europe a bit, in my opinion it’s not just a message to Washington. They are essentially trying to reestablish a sphere of influence in a part of Europe. Its quite possible that the bizarre almost Cold War-ish assassination of Litvinenko in London was a message that the Kremlin has returned to old school tactics of diplomacy. It will be interesting to see how the EU reacts to Russia insistence on meddling in European affairs. Will they welcome Russia as a European power in their own right and use them as a balance to the power of the US. Have relations between the US and France/Germany deteriorated enough for Russia to hold some sway?

RE: Russia on the World Stage

Putin's approval rating is over 70% in Russia, Bush is sitting at 24% in the US. Bush is ignoring Congress and sending more troops to Iraq against the wishes of the American public.

That should give you an idea of where the American public stands on Bush and current US foreign policy. Kosovo is just a blip in the eye of the American public, Europe and Russia will decide the status of Kosovo.

Albanians i am afraid that i have to inform you that Russia from 1999. is gone forever and Russia in 2007 is full with money,so they don't need any loans,credits etc.etc.West doesn't have anything to give them that can "buy" them.They de facto alredy control Ossetia,Abkhazia etc. so West can't give them something they already have.As Putin said last week in Munich "i'm afraid that i have to inform our Western partners that weak,humiliated,poor Russia doesn't exist anymore".Good luck!

betabe:

first of all you should just start to read properly, that you would not write those mistakes.

1. "All I read of Serbs is"
for your information:
that is what I, personally, have written, so don´t mix my personal opinion
( in the end, I was only posting what the german intelligence, BND is stating, buth that´s something you don´t care, right? )
up with the whole serbian nation.

2. instead of deliberately misinterpreting my comment, you should finally start thinking of your own future, whether you really want to be ruled by criminals ( and I repeat it again, it´s the Germans, who see Ceku and his "leadership" as blood-handed criminals )

3.
do you really cannot understand that I wrote Ceku and his leadership ( and not "the Albanians"? what must be written in order to make you get it?

please, do us all a favour, and stop spreading this rather naive kind of propaganda.

I think that the only reason that Russia says it is reluctant to use the veto is because they have calculated that the Albanians probably will, and they probaly want the Albanians to reject the compromise the Serbs have been offering them and that is enshined in the Serbian Constitution.

I believe that most people, even unbiased people belive that the Russians strongly desire to use the veto because it is necessary for them. The Russians think that after the veto that the most likely situation is for the Albanians to declare independence, and then the Anglo- Saxons will be put ON THE SPOT. Thats right the Anglo-Saxons will be damned if they do and damned if they do not recognise Kosovo's independence and most people know it.

If the Anglo-Saxons and all the puppets they can find recognise Kosovo" independence, then all those regions that want to join up with Russia will declare independence, and Russia and other counties will accept their declaration of independence. Those regions will just follow the Albanians tactics and join up with Russia. Russia will honestly be able to say to Serbia that they did all they could for them and this is true, and Serbia may become a Russian Colony.

Russia has a lot to gain by the veto, and if they can get people to think that they will not veto, then the Albanians will not want to compromise which is what UN SC 1244 says they should do.

The reason that this status talks has been delayed has not been for the benefit of the Serbs, and if "status" was not just a fancy and deceitful word that means independence, then automony would be just fine as final status if any kind of final status is what is wanted. People can call it final status, but it just might even be temporary status, and if Serbia did become a Russian Colony, then perhaps the Russians woyld want THEIR province of Kosovo.