“Serbia prone to repeat mistakes”

I just wanted to comment in general to all the topics that were posted before this one. Let me ask a simple question: Let's say for example United States of America is made up of 50 states. Each one has its own laws and rights but they all must comply with the federal government out of Washington DC. WHAT IF Florida or California, which is mostly populated with hispanics or latinos decide to break away from the United States of America and become independent. Latinos, Hispanics, and Blacks have been disciminated against and killed for decades and lets not talk what WHITE AMERICANS did to Black people and Native Indians; killed millions of them all together. What would now USA do if that would become an issue and HISPANICS wanted INDEPENDENCE. Should USA give to them.

Western confusion, Daniel Fried said serbia will be in isolation if it doesnt recognise kosovo independance and the EU says that serbia joining the EU has no connection to Kosovo but only to the hague. Who runs the EU, Europeans or Americans? Serbia must look east and not west.

It is all well and good saying Milošević should have signed up at Rambouillet. What he would have signed was a proposal and not an agreement in any real sense of the word. The contents of the text had not been negotiated between the two sides.

The "agreement" had the following amendment - "Three years after the entry into force of this Agreement, an international meeting shall be convened to determine a mechanism for a final settlement for Kosovo, on the basis of the will of the people, opinions of relevant authorities, each Party's efforts regarding the implementation of this Agreement, and the Helsinki Final Act, and to undertake a comprehensive assessment of the implementation of this Agreement and to consider proposals by any Party for additional measures." This along with a letter from the US to the Albanians confirming that Kosovo could hold a referendum on independence after three years meant that signing the agreement would have been more than likely signing Kosovo away.

Also Annex B would have allowed NATO to go anywhere it wanted to in the FRY. And also the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between
States and International Organizations or between
International Organizations
(1986) states the following:

A treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the
principles of international law embodied in the Chatter of the United Nations.

Essentially it was this threat of force that meant that any agreement would have been illegal in any case under international law. Especially as Rambouillet was a NATO and not UN led set of talks.

Mark,

You would rather look to Russia and China than Europe and America?

Do you realise that the entire Russian state is run by criminals and mafiosi, who get rich from exporting oil, gas and electricity while the majority of the population suffers? A Russia with countless internal problems and territorial disputes?

Or China, one of the major human rights violators in the entire world. Do the Serbs really want to ally themselves with a communist country?

Or perhaps you are going to look to Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.

What are your reasoning for looking east?

In retrospect perhaps...And if we all had a crystal ball in front of us, things would be a lot different..
But one thing Petrovic forgets, is that Milosevic was backed into a corner with terms that were unnacceptable for ANY state.
Rambouillet was a precursor for independence, not a negotiating platform for better self rule...

As far as current politics go, i think that it will take a generation to get the cancer (Milosevic) that has enveloped the nation out of her brain..But nonetheless, she is on the road to recovery politically..

We tend to forget how backwards things were yesteryear..

Remember political assasinations, mob mentality, media control?? So in that regards Mr. Petrovic, Serbian politics can look back occassionaly, but move forward more oft. I truly don't think the people would accept anything else...

I agree with the author that the world sent messages to appeal to Serbia’s common sense, and Serbia refused to listen. I also agree that Serbia will repeat and repeat again the same mistakes... because the Serbs don't want to ADMIT that their GOV. was wrong then and still is wrong. Serbia and the Serbs have to comply with EU if they want to be considered as partners. As simple as this.

Depends on what you see as the mistake;

Not signing upto everything that is against all of your principles

or

standing by your principles but ensuring you had a tight reign on all military forces and an excellent PR team.

Nick

i am not saying for serbs to go live in Russia or china and dont forget india but to deal with them economically as the west is begging to do with china. Explain to me about human rights and multiculturalism. In the flood disasters of new orleans, the queing system was whites first and blacks last. That showed a disgraceful face to america where blacks have been treated as second class citizens in various (i.e not all) places in america. In Britain race riots took place in Bradford, Birmingham, Oldham and Blackburn etc, In France race riots took place in paris as a result of the treament of non french citizens as second class and not forgetting the rise of nazis and skinheads in germany and many east european nations, with immigrants killed by home made explosives like turks in germany.Russia provides oil subsidies which accounts for a lot to a poor serbia whereas the west has caused 30 billion dollars of damage unlawfully in the name of human rights and only repaid less than 5 billion yet daily attacks and misuse of serb human rights takes place under the noses of nato troops.The potential market for russia china and india is a population greater than 2 billion which is more than double europe and america. Serbs used to build power stations in arab and african countries, the west is fully developed with its own companies so it would make far more economic sense to enter devloping markets than those already developed. Do you know nick that the one country that is propping the american dollar is China, everyone else has invested in the Euro, and are you also telling me that Ford, General Motors and VW will not sell motors to china because they are communist and have a human rights issue. In the future china will be the largest economy and the strongest nation. Empires collapse due to lack of money, thats how the Roman empire collapsed and the british and soviet empires. America is overstretching itself in lost making policies whereas china has remained interested in just china.

If human rights pillars are what Serbs should be emulating, then I agree that they should look no further than the USA and its unethical-covert methods to nation-building, rigging of elections, utilization of drugs for financing black ops around the world and doping its own youth.

Kow-tow to the West that bombed Serbia illegally? Enter the EU, and submit sovereignty??? Sounds like a very sane objective for peoples that have no affinity with their own culture. One problem with the Serbs, though; they love being Serbian and such tacit requirements are not feasible for their proud and intransigent nation.

He has a point. Like now, in Rambuillet Serb negotiating team refused to even bother negotiating. It went there with a bunch of colaboracionist nobodies from Kosovo and spent nights singing on the piano they requested from the hosts. Ms. Albright needed to move on, meaning at least one signature, and Thaqi accepted this only after a promise of referendum was given to him and he was assured ActOrd was on the way.

That's the truth free of leftist propaganda. Serbia didn't even try, just like now.

"I agree with the author that the world sent messages to appeal to Serbia’s common sense, and Serbia refused to listen. I also agree that Serbia will repeat and repeat again the same mistakes... because the Serbs don't want to ADMIT that their GOV. was wrong then and still is wrong. Serbia and the Serbs have to comply with EU if they want to be considered as partners. As simple as this.
(Victor, 13 February 2007, 16:18)"
I think everyone here can agree that the policies of Milosevic were very wrong. His economic policies destroyed the savings and lives of many Serbs as well as the suffering he caused everyone else in the region. Keep in mind he had a very willing partner in Tudjman, who was just as evil as Milosevic. Milosevic is not as revered in Serbia as Tudjman is in Croatia. So who is it that really should be condemning the nationalistic policies of their government during the 90's? Serbia is by far and above the other criminals in the region in accepting our role in the crimes committed against innocent civilians. Tudjman went so far as to claim that no holocaust of the Serbs even occurred during WWII!
However, as stated above, Rambouillet contained provisions that no sovereign country could agree to, the occupation of all of FRY by NATO troops. The US put that in there knowing full well no independent country could accept that. The author is badly mistaken if he thinks accepting that document would have served Serbia's interests better. Kosovo would have gotten independence a while ago, and I bet Serbia would still be occupied by NATO troops, and who knows, maybe they'd be dismissing Serbian politicians they don't agree with like they are constantly doing in Bosnia (Which is still the farthest away from joining the EU). Is that the type of democracy the West wants for the world? You can have democracy as long as you elect politicians that agree with us? Otherwise we will brand them "Undemocratic" and get rid of them. One look at Palestine clearly exposes how "Western Democracy" works in the world.
While I agree Serbia has to comply with the EU if we'd want to join it, but as I've said many times, why would we want second class status in the EU? We should wait until the EU stabilizes and we are guaranteed full and equal rights with all the other states in the EU. The EU is bloated and unstable and starting to bicker amongst themselves. They can't even agree with each other anymore or muster the votes to pass anything. I'm willing to bet they will restrict voting rights for future members in addition to the already strict working and regulatory conditions. All joining the EU will do at this time is give unequal footing to those countries in a better position to economically dominate those countries with a less developed economy. Capital will just flow out of Serbia as a result. We need to learn to stand on our own two feet first. Then we will be welcomed as an asset in the EU. All we need for now is a relaxation of the Visa requirements. Our people need to travel and work abroad to learn Western values and capitalistic competition first. Only then, when we can compete in a somewhat equal basis, will joining the EU grant us any benefits. Right now, the EU is basically the United States of Germany. Wars in this day and age in Western societies are fought economically, and it surprises me greatly that people assume that Serbia would want to be economically conquered and welcome it. The people in Serbia who support the EU just want jobs, money and freedom and don’t realize what the negative consequences could be. They are tired and just want to be welcomed back into the family of Europe, and who can blame them? However, this is NOT the way to build a stable and prosperous future for Serbia. We need to learn to compete first. If only more of us in the Diaspora actually invested in Serbia, or at the very least vacationed there on a regular basis. We have the most to teach the Serbian people about western standards of service and how capitalism works. Even the little things help. For example, I always tip waiters in Serbia, I know its not common practice there, but I also think that if the waiter believes a foreigner will tip them if they provide good service, then service will improve there (I leave American pocket change if service is bad, I know they can't exchange it, hee hee). It has to start at the grassroots level. It can not be imposed on a society that is not ready for it. We are still behind Croatia and Slovenia in these aspects, Croatia seems incredibly Western to me in comparison to Serbia, and their tourist industry is well developed. Just try booking a flight on JAT, its an experience no Westerner should miss! Vacation in Croatia and Montenegro, the difference is astounding.
Moderate Serbs like me hate the destruction that Milosevic brought, however, that does not mean that I support the EU or the West. A balanced approached between East and West is Serbia's destiny. It’s the natural geographical, historical, and spiritual path we've always followed. One foot in the West and one in the East. This reaped its greatest rewards under Tito, a master of playing East off West and vice versa.

I m glad that someone in serbia thinks different about Kosove, i dont think that matter if Serbia should go west or east but i think people in Serbia should start thinking forward and not past, beacuse past is dark and Mark, you doesn`t have to go back what germany did or whatever other nations did, Mark I was born 1981 in Kosove and i belive than you know what we been through for last 25 years, and everyone in Ballakn knows why and what happened in Ex Yougosllavia, so i think is time for Serbia to apologize for what Millosheviq regime`s did, is only way that people in ballkan can live in peace, because we didn`t start and if someone is guilty for decomposition of Yougosllavia is Millosheviq and people who followed him, i dont wanna go deeper but i think after all whats happened and after all other countrys disengagement from Yougosllavia even Montenegro is time for Serbia to disengagement from Milloseviq regime and from the dark past, you need revolution, you have to accept that you lost Kosovo if not you are in trouble because when you are gonna notice that maybe is gonna be late and you are gonna start fightin each other so is better now, i hope than one day we are gonna live in peace like a good neighbour.

to the albanian poster who claimed "kosova" to be the "real" name.. :

buddy, just in case you didn´t realize it yet, you live on serbian soil, so don´t mix up your personal wishes with reality...

it is Kosovo i Metohija.

it´s never too late to learn!


in regard to the article:

it´s interesting how even on B92 some are spreading some scearing scenarios about "the republic of Šumadija" and other nonsense.
the intent behind this is very obvious.
and I am very certain, quite the opposite will happen.

and to the "kosovar": we will live in neighborhood and prosperity, of course, but it will be a neighbourhood within Serbia.

If a person is honest and decent he will be prone to repeat his true nature. Equally, if a person is dishonest and corrupt he will be prone to repeat his true nature.

Serbia has been accused of many bad things in the past like being undemocratic, and not obeying the Rule of Law. Now that Serbia is democratic and wants to follow the Constitution that was passed by a majority of voters, and Serbia wants to follow the UN Charter, UN SC Resolution 1244, and International Law, then to some people this is bad also.

In other words, to some people it does not matter what Serbia does, because they will always portray it in a bad light. When these twisted reasonings have failed, they will revert to their tired old sayings and falsely accuse Serbia of not cooperating with the Hague, even though they have no proof of this.

I believe that the most likely scenario is that if Mladic were alive he would definitely have called many EU newspapers by now and proved that he was not in Serbia and that Serbia can do nothing to capture him, because I believe that Mladic loves Serbia.

This is why I believe that Mladic has been cremated by a few people in the EU and NATO, and most of the EU and NATO do not realise this yet. I have heard it said that Mladic was a traitor who was working for the EU and NATO for a large Secret Swiss Bank Account in a different name, but I am sceptical of this. I have heard The Hague really does not want Mladic, but only wants some convenient lie against Serbia. Why have the Americans not been able to find Osama Bin Laden, and no sane or impartial person could say that the Americans are sheltering him.

I can not speak for others, but if I were in this position, then I would stand firm for the UN Charter, International Law, Democracy, Fairness, Jusice, the Constituion, and a multi ethic and multi religious Europe. Yes, a principled stand is bound to upset the unprincipled, but the alternative is to join the unprincipled in their unprincipled actions. If some believe that having principles is a mistake, then that is their problem, and lets remember that we need to examine who is paying certain people to say certain things, because he who pays the piper calls the tune. Even though there are different opinions among the people of Serbia, I believe that Serbia will stand up for principles.

Jovan, for me Kosova is not a wish is reality since 1999, for you could be wish" kosovo i metohija" but never reality because 95% of people there are Albanian, and this is exactly what i am talking about you are still living in this dangerous mythology, than Kosova is soil or whatever, if Kosova is soil for someone is for people who live there, but you still cant acccept it, Can you? I m not saying what i wish or i m not being "nationalist" like you are trying to be, i m trying to explain the reality, and wake up Dud because if my president or goverment would do to serbian people, what millosheviq did first i would apologize you and after i would talk to you, but you cant, and i dont get it how can you live like this, is not year 1912 is not communism anymore is time for people to choose how they wanna live, and Kosovar people now are smarter than before and they have a good conection with world, and you know what you should say thanks too, because we kicked millosheviq ass, and gave you chance for a new life and reality, but you still live in fear,depresion and conspiracy you still live with Mlladiq picture in your pocket and i will tell you what! better through now this picture if you wanna a better life, because it doesnt matter if you accept Kosova or not we are going forward and nothing is gonna stop us because we paid the price of your nationalism and we fought Millosheviq regime and kicked them of, so now is your time to fight with your new regime because now you dont have us to fight for you.

It is an interesting point of view that Serbia should turn East rather than West. The problem is, Serbia has already moved firmly towards the West. A look at trade flows shows a clear picture: 53% of Serbian exports are going to the EU and only a meagre 7% to the CIS. The Fare East is not even mentioned in the statistics. At the same 49% of all Serbia imports come from EU. It is true, Serbia is depending on Russian oil imports, but do you really want to turn into a new Belarus or do you want to modernize your economy and be able to pay your bills at some point? In addition, where do you think is all the money which is now flowing into Serbia coming from, and which helps finance Serbia's trade deficit and the national investment plan of the government? Yes, mostly from Western Europe. And do you know why? Because the West believes that Serbia is the natural leader of the Western Balkans. It has good infrastructure, market size, trained people, and inherited good institutions and administration from the former Yugoslavia. All things, which need to be build from scratch in neighbouring countries. Serbia has a head start and that is why foreign companies invest money in Serbia, together with the firm believe that at some point Serbia will join EU. If you now seriously want to turn East and give all this up you will be destined for poverty, or does Serbia has enough natural resources to be of interest for China?

Western confusion, Daniel Fried said serbia will be in isolation if it doesnt recognise kosovo independance and the EU says that serbia joining the EU has no connection to Kosovo but only to the hague. Who runs the EU, Europeans or Americans? Serbia must look east and not west.

It is all well and good saying Milošević should have signed up at Rambouillet. What he would have signed was a proposal and not an agreement in any real sense of the word. The contents of the text had not been negotiated between the two sides.

The "agreement" had the following amendment - "Three years after the entry into force of this Agreement, an international meeting shall be convened to determine a mechanism for a final settlement for Kosovo, on the basis of the will of the people, opinions of relevant authorities, each Party's efforts regarding the implementation of this Agreement, and the Helsinki Final Act, and to undertake a comprehensive assessment of the implementation of this Agreement and to consider proposals by any Party for additional measures." This along with a letter from the US to the Albanians confirming that Kosovo could hold a referendum on independence after three years meant that signing the agreement would have been more than likely signing Kosovo away.

Also Annex B would have allowed NATO to go anywhere it wanted to in the FRY. And also the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between
States and International Organizations or between
International Organizations
(1986) states the following:

A treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the
principles of international law embodied in the Chatter of the United Nations.

Essentially it was this threat of force that meant that any agreement would have been illegal in any case under international law. Especially as Rambouillet was a NATO and not UN led set of talks.

Mark,

You would rather look to Russia and China than Europe and America?

Do you realise that the entire Russian state is run by criminals and mafiosi, who get rich from exporting oil, gas and electricity while the majority of the population suffers? A Russia with countless internal problems and territorial disputes?

Or China, one of the major human rights violators in the entire world. Do the Serbs really want to ally themselves with a communist country?

Or perhaps you are going to look to Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.

What are your reasoning for looking east?

In retrospect perhaps...And if we all had a crystal ball in front of us, things would be a lot different..
But one thing Petrovic forgets, is that Milosevic was backed into a corner with terms that were unnacceptable for ANY state.
Rambouillet was a precursor for independence, not a negotiating platform for better self rule...

As far as current politics go, i think that it will take a generation to get the cancer (Milosevic) that has enveloped the nation out of her brain..But nonetheless, she is on the road to recovery politically..

We tend to forget how backwards things were yesteryear..

Remember political assasinations, mob mentality, media control?? So in that regards Mr. Petrovic, Serbian politics can look back occassionaly, but move forward more oft. I truly don't think the people would accept anything else...

I agree with the author that the world sent messages to appeal to Serbia’s common sense, and Serbia refused to listen. I also agree that Serbia will repeat and repeat again the same mistakes... because the Serbs don't want to ADMIT that their GOV. was wrong then and still is wrong. Serbia and the Serbs have to comply with EU if they want to be considered as partners. As simple as this.

Depends on what you see as the mistake;

Not signing upto everything that is against all of your principles

or

standing by your principles but ensuring you had a tight reign on all military forces and an excellent PR team.

Nick

i am not saying for serbs to go live in Russia or china and dont forget india but to deal with them economically as the west is begging to do with china. Explain to me about human rights and multiculturalism. In the flood disasters of new orleans, the queing system was whites first and blacks last. That showed a disgraceful face to america where blacks have been treated as second class citizens in various (i.e not all) places in america. In Britain race riots took place in Bradford, Birmingham, Oldham and Blackburn etc, In France race riots took place in paris as a result of the treament of non french citizens as second class and not forgetting the rise of nazis and skinheads in germany and many east european nations, with immigrants killed by home made explosives like turks in germany.Russia provides oil subsidies which accounts for a lot to a poor serbia whereas the west has caused 30 billion dollars of damage unlawfully in the name of human rights and only repaid less than 5 billion yet daily attacks and misuse of serb human rights takes place under the noses of nato troops.The potential market for russia china and india is a population greater than 2 billion which is more than double europe and america. Serbs used to build power stations in arab and african countries, the west is fully developed with its own companies so it would make far more economic sense to enter devloping markets than those already developed. Do you know nick that the one country that is propping the american dollar is China, everyone else has invested in the Euro, and are you also telling me that Ford, General Motors and VW will not sell motors to china because they are communist and have a human rights issue. In the future china will be the largest economy and the strongest nation. Empires collapse due to lack of money, thats how the Roman empire collapsed and the british and soviet empires. America is overstretching itself in lost making policies whereas china has remained interested in just china.

If human rights pillars are what Serbs should be emulating, then I agree that they should look no further than the USA and its unethical-covert methods to nation-building, rigging of elections, utilization of drugs for financing black ops around the world and doping its own youth.

Kow-tow to the West that bombed Serbia illegally? Enter the EU, and submit sovereignty??? Sounds like a very sane objective for peoples that have no affinity with their own culture. One problem with the Serbs, though; they love being Serbian and such tacit requirements are not feasible for their proud and intransigent nation.

He has a point. Like now, in Rambuillet Serb negotiating team refused to even bother negotiating. It went there with a bunch of colaboracionist nobodies from Kosovo and spent nights singing on the piano they requested from the hosts. Ms. Albright needed to move on, meaning at least one signature, and Thaqi accepted this only after a promise of referendum was given to him and he was assured ActOrd was on the way.

That's the truth free of leftist propaganda. Serbia didn't even try, just like now.

"I agree with the author that the world sent messages to appeal to Serbia’s common sense, and Serbia refused to listen. I also agree that Serbia will repeat and repeat again the same mistakes... because the Serbs don't want to ADMIT that their GOV. was wrong then and still is wrong. Serbia and the Serbs have to comply with EU if they want to be considered as partners. As simple as this.
(Victor, 13 February 2007, 16:18)"
I think everyone here can agree that the policies of Milosevic were very wrong. His economic policies destroyed the savings and lives of many Serbs as well as the suffering he caused everyone else in the region. Keep in mind he had a very willing partner in Tudjman, who was just as evil as Milosevic. Milosevic is not as revered in Serbia as Tudjman is in Croatia. So who is it that really should be condemning the nationalistic policies of their government during the 90's? Serbia is by far and above the other criminals in the region in accepting our role in the crimes committed against innocent civilians. Tudjman went so far as to claim that no holocaust of the Serbs even occurred during WWII!
However, as stated above, Rambouillet contained provisions that no sovereign country could agree to, the occupation of all of FRY by NATO troops. The US put that in there knowing full well no independent country could accept that. The author is badly mistaken if he thinks accepting that document would have served Serbia's interests better. Kosovo would have gotten independence a while ago, and I bet Serbia would still be occupied by NATO troops, and who knows, maybe they'd be dismissing Serbian politicians they don't agree with like they are constantly doing in Bosnia (Which is still the farthest away from joining the EU). Is that the type of democracy the West wants for the world? You can have democracy as long as you elect politicians that agree with us? Otherwise we will brand them "Undemocratic" and get rid of them. One look at Palestine clearly exposes how "Western Democracy" works in the world.
While I agree Serbia has to comply with the EU if we'd want to join it, but as I've said many times, why would we want second class status in the EU? We should wait until the EU stabilizes and we are guaranteed full and equal rights with all the other states in the EU. The EU is bloated and unstable and starting to bicker amongst themselves. They can't even agree with each other anymore or muster the votes to pass anything. I'm willing to bet they will restrict voting rights for future members in addition to the already strict working and regulatory conditions. All joining the EU will do at this time is give unequal footing to those countries in a better position to economically dominate those countries with a less developed economy. Capital will just flow out of Serbia as a result. We need to learn to stand on our own two feet first. Then we will be welcomed as an asset in the EU. All we need for now is a relaxation of the Visa requirements. Our people need to travel and work abroad to learn Western values and capitalistic competition first. Only then, when we can compete in a somewhat equal basis, will joining the EU grant us any benefits. Right now, the EU is basically the United States of Germany. Wars in this day and age in Western societies are fought economically, and it surprises me greatly that people assume that Serbia would want to be economically conquered and welcome it. The people in Serbia who support the EU just want jobs, money and freedom and don’t realize what the negative consequences could be. They are tired and just want to be welcomed back into the family of Europe, and who can blame them? However, this is NOT the way to build a stable and prosperous future for Serbia. We need to learn to compete first. If only more of us in the Diaspora actually invested in Serbia, or at the very least vacationed there on a regular basis. We have the most to teach the Serbian people about western standards of service and how capitalism works. Even the little things help. For example, I always tip waiters in Serbia, I know its not common practice there, but I also think that if the waiter believes a foreigner will tip them if they provide good service, then service will improve there (I leave American pocket change if service is bad, I know they can't exchange it, hee hee). It has to start at the grassroots level. It can not be imposed on a society that is not ready for it. We are still behind Croatia and Slovenia in these aspects, Croatia seems incredibly Western to me in comparison to Serbia, and their tourist industry is well developed. Just try booking a flight on JAT, its an experience no Westerner should miss! Vacation in Croatia and Montenegro, the difference is astounding.
Moderate Serbs like me hate the destruction that Milosevic brought, however, that does not mean that I support the EU or the West. A balanced approached between East and West is Serbia's destiny. It’s the natural geographical, historical, and spiritual path we've always followed. One foot in the West and one in the East. This reaped its greatest rewards under Tito, a master of playing East off West and vice versa.

I m glad that someone in serbia thinks different about Kosove, i dont think that matter if Serbia should go west or east but i think people in Serbia should start thinking forward and not past, beacuse past is dark and Mark, you doesn`t have to go back what germany did or whatever other nations did, Mark I was born 1981 in Kosove and i belive than you know what we been through for last 25 years, and everyone in Ballakn knows why and what happened in Ex Yougosllavia, so i think is time for Serbia to apologize for what Millosheviq regime`s did, is only way that people in ballkan can live in peace, because we didn`t start and if someone is guilty for decomposition of Yougosllavia is Millosheviq and people who followed him, i dont wanna go deeper but i think after all whats happened and after all other countrys disengagement from Yougosllavia even Montenegro is time for Serbia to disengagement from Milloseviq regime and from the dark past, you need revolution, you have to accept that you lost Kosovo if not you are in trouble because when you are gonna notice that maybe is gonna be late and you are gonna start fightin each other so is better now, i hope than one day we are gonna live in peace like a good neighbour.

to the albanian poster who claimed "kosova" to be the "real" name.. :

buddy, just in case you didn´t realize it yet, you live on serbian soil, so don´t mix up your personal wishes with reality...

it is Kosovo i Metohija.

it´s never too late to learn!


in regard to the article:

it´s interesting how even on B92 some are spreading some scearing scenarios about "the republic of Šumadija" and other nonsense.
the intent behind this is very obvious.
and I am very certain, quite the opposite will happen.

and to the "kosovar": we will live in neighborhood and prosperity, of course, but it will be a neighbourhood within Serbia.

If a person is honest and decent he will be prone to repeat his true nature. Equally, if a person is dishonest and corrupt he will be prone to repeat his true nature.

Serbia has been accused of many bad things in the past like being undemocratic, and not obeying the Rule of Law. Now that Serbia is democratic and wants to follow the Constitution that was passed by a majority of voters, and Serbia wants to follow the UN Charter, UN SC Resolution 1244, and International Law, then to some people this is bad also.

In other words, to some people it does not matter what Serbia does, because they will always portray it in a bad light. When these twisted reasonings have failed, they will revert to their tired old sayings and falsely accuse Serbia of not cooperating with the Hague, even though they have no proof of this.

I believe that the most likely scenario is that if Mladic were alive he would definitely have called many EU newspapers by now and proved that he was not in Serbia and that Serbia can do nothing to capture him, because I believe that Mladic loves Serbia.

This is why I believe that Mladic has been cremated by a few people in the EU and NATO, and most of the EU and NATO do not realise this yet. I have heard it said that Mladic was a traitor who was working for the EU and NATO for a large Secret Swiss Bank Account in a different name, but I am sceptical of this. I have heard The Hague really does not want Mladic, but only wants some convenient lie against Serbia. Why have the Americans not been able to find Osama Bin Laden, and no sane or impartial person could say that the Americans are sheltering him.

I can not speak for others, but if I were in this position, then I would stand firm for the UN Charter, International Law, Democracy, Fairness, Jusice, the Constituion, and a multi ethic and multi religious Europe. Yes, a principled stand is bound to upset the unprincipled, but the alternative is to join the unprincipled in their unprincipled actions. If some believe that having principles is a mistake, then that is their problem, and lets remember that we need to examine who is paying certain people to say certain things, because he who pays the piper calls the tune. Even though there are different opinions among the people of Serbia, I believe that Serbia will stand up for principles.

Jovan, for me Kosova is not a wish is reality since 1999, for you could be wish" kosovo i metohija" but never reality because 95% of people there are Albanian, and this is exactly what i am talking about you are still living in this dangerous mythology, than Kosova is soil or whatever, if Kosova is soil for someone is for people who live there, but you still cant acccept it, Can you? I m not saying what i wish or i m not being "nationalist" like you are trying to be, i m trying to explain the reality, and wake up Dud because if my president or goverment would do to serbian people, what millosheviq did first i would apologize you and after i would talk to you, but you cant, and i dont get it how can you live like this, is not year 1912 is not communism anymore is time for people to choose how they wanna live, and Kosovar people now are smarter than before and they have a good conection with world, and you know what you should say thanks too, because we kicked millosheviq ass, and gave you chance for a new life and reality, but you still live in fear,depresion and conspiracy you still live with Mlladiq picture in your pocket and i will tell you what! better through now this picture if you wanna a better life, because it doesnt matter if you accept Kosova or not we are going forward and nothing is gonna stop us because we paid the price of your nationalism and we fought Millosheviq regime and kicked them of, so now is your time to fight with your new regime because now you dont have us to fight for you.

It is an interesting point of view that Serbia should turn East rather than West. The problem is, Serbia has already moved firmly towards the West. A look at trade flows shows a clear picture: 53% of Serbian exports are going to the EU and only a meagre 7% to the CIS. The Fare East is not even mentioned in the statistics. At the same 49% of all Serbia imports come from EU. It is true, Serbia is depending on Russian oil imports, but do you really want to turn into a new Belarus or do you want to modernize your economy and be able to pay your bills at some point? In addition, where do you think is all the money which is now flowing into Serbia coming from, and which helps finance Serbia's trade deficit and the national investment plan of the government? Yes, mostly from Western Europe. And do you know why? Because the West believes that Serbia is the natural leader of the Western Balkans. It has good infrastructure, market size, trained people, and inherited good institutions and administration from the former Yugoslavia. All things, which need to be build from scratch in neighbouring countries. Serbia has a head start and that is why foreign companies invest money in Serbia, together with the firm believe that at some point Serbia will join EU. If you now seriously want to turn East and give all this up you will be destined for poverty, or does Serbia has enough natural resources to be of interest for China?

I just wanted to comment in general to all the topics that were posted before this one. Let me ask a simple question: Let's say for example United States of America is made up of 50 states. Each one has its own laws and rights but they all must comply with the federal government out of Washington DC. WHAT IF Florida or California, which is mostly populated with hispanics or latinos decide to break away from the United States of America and become independent. Latinos, Hispanics, and Blacks have been disciminated against and killed for decades and lets not talk what WHITE AMERICANS did to Black people and Native Indians; killed millions of them all together. What would now USA do if that would become an issue and HISPANICS wanted INDEPENDENCE. Should USA give to them.