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Saturday, 10.02.2007.

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“Red line that cannot be crossed”

Serbia’s European future is not conditioned by acceptance of Ahtisaari’s plan or Kosovo’s independence, Vuk Jeremić says.

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kreshnik

pre 17 godina

What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"?
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The mere fact that Telenor has already agreed to invest that kind of dough makes Kosovo's independence more likely.

Capital has decided that Kosovo is independent, and that Serbia does not need it.

Simple.

sreten

pre 17 godina

Well said, Blag. I would only disagree with one thing. EU may not be Serbia's future, nor Serbia's best interest. As time goes by, ties with Russia gaining on importance. Energy, surging economy, markets hungry for goods...

blag

pre 17 godina

DANIEL FRIED'S COMMENTS YESTERDAY IN RESPONSE OF A QUESTION

(pls note the very weak legal standing he bases his "opinions" on and note the very real hypocrisy in his statements. note the injustice in his words).

if he thinks this will ead to alsting peace he is f*ck*ng out of his mind)

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Question: I am from Politika daily, Belgrade. It's nice to meet you.

Several days ago the New York Times published opinion of Timothy William Waters who says that changing the borders, reducing the partition we are
undertaking could make full, fair independence possible.

Assistant Secretary Fried: You mean partition.

Question: Reducing the partition of Serbia. It's not the partition of
Kosovo; it's reducing partition of Serbia. What do you think about the new
terminology and is it possible to separate some parts of Kosovo and to make
that plan possible?

Assistant Secretary Fried: The Contact Group has already said that partition of Kosovo is not a good idea. I wish, speaking personally, I wish that the civil wars that tore old Yugoslavia apart had never occurred. I remember old
Yugoslavia. It was a pretty decent country in my memory. It was torn apart by nationalism. I wish it weren't so, but it is so and we can't get it back.
So we're left with the situation we're left with.
So far the breakup of former Yugoslavia has left the old constituent elements, borders, unchanged. That is Bosnia-Herzegovina has the same borders it had during Yugoslav times internally.

Question: But not Serbia.

Assistant Secretary Fried: Right.

blag

pre 17 godina

Let's deconstruct what's coming out of Brussels these days:

PART ONE: "Be Constructive. Negotiate..."
This is "code." it really means: "sign the papers & give us the cover we need to make this legal." at this late hr they still ask BG to sign. The language acknowledges lack of a legal mechanism & that it prefers to do "messy" independence (which tim judah now calls: "nightmare scenario"). "Messy" means prolonged legal challenge, diplomatic/ economic isolation, partition of K; and "end game" in BiH.
think it through.... if K will be independent & nothing can stop that.... what does serbia gain by signing the paper? Answer? Nothing. You may say: "well, you will receive all the benefits in the proposal". Answer: BG will receive the benefits in the proposal whether it signs or not. After all, what will brussels do? Not protect churches? Not gaurantee human rights? Not permit BG to give free $$ to serbs? These are not "gifts" but human rights... BG doesn't need to negotiate for this. Now is not the time to go wobbly. At the end of the day.... They need someone to sign and avoid the messy way. They will NOT upset the world order for K.

PART TWO: "... A European future awaits Serbia if you agree"
A threat wrapped in a bogus concept. A euro future already awaits Serbia. europe is serbia and serbia is europe. All CEFTA countries (Bulgaria & Romania too) need a healthy Serbia to evolve. There will be no bombing. No sanctions. No isolation. The economic cat is out of the bag. Large tenders await '07 privatizations. The same diplomats who threaten have corps who seek access. at the end of the day, greek euros are just as good as brit euros. Diplomats cannot stop money from seeking return. Nor can they sanction again. What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"? These are empty threats.

CONCLUSION: Don't Believe a Word they Say!
It is probable that K will receive some level of "incomplete sovreignty" that may or may not lead to independence.... or it may declare indep outright & get recognition from powerful and impt states. S should hold out for more concessions... or it should seek very, very serious compensation (I speak of RS). But it should never ever be complicit in its own rape and sign a document at gun point (which only provides legal cover to the rapist). it shoul dbe prepred to make things messy.

at the end of the day S is K's neighbor... not Wash DC.
at the end of the day, K must live with its antagonistic neighbor. it needs cordial relations not S. no one will bomb serbia for not being nicey-nice to the child of this rape.

blag

pre 17 godina

Let's deconstruct what's coming out of Brussels these days:

PART ONE: "Be Constructive. Negotiate..."
This is "code." it really means: "sign the papers & give us the cover we need to make this legal." at this late hr they still ask BG to sign. The language acknowledges lack of a legal mechanism & that it prefers to do "messy" independence (which tim judah now calls: "nightmare scenario"). "Messy" means prolonged legal challenge, diplomatic/ economic isolation, partition of K; and "end game" in BiH.
think it through.... if K will be independent & nothing can stop that.... what does serbia gain by signing the paper? Answer? Nothing. You may say: "well, you will receive all the benefits in the proposal". Answer: BG will receive the benefits in the proposal whether it signs or not. After all, what will brussels do? Not protect churches? Not gaurantee human rights? Not permit BG to give free $$ to serbs? These are not "gifts" but human rights... BG doesn't need to negotiate for this. Now is not the time to go wobbly. At the end of the day.... They need someone to sign and avoid the messy way. They will NOT upset the world order for K.

PART TWO: "... A European future awaits Serbia if you agree"
A threat wrapped in a bogus concept. A euro future already awaits Serbia. europe is serbia and serbia is europe. All CEFTA countries (Bulgaria & Romania too) need a healthy Serbia to evolve. There will be no bombing. No sanctions. No isolation. The economic cat is out of the bag. Large tenders await '07 privatizations. The same diplomats who threaten have corps who seek access. at the end of the day, greek euros are just as good as brit euros. Diplomats cannot stop money from seeking return. Nor can they sanction again. What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"? These are empty threats.

CONCLUSION: Don't Believe a Word they Say!
It is probable that K will receive some level of "incomplete sovreignty" that may or may not lead to independence.... or it may declare indep outright & get recognition from powerful and impt states. S should hold out for more concessions... or it should seek very, very serious compensation (I speak of RS). But it should never ever be complicit in its own rape and sign a document at gun point (which only provides legal cover to the rapist). it shoul dbe prepred to make things messy.

at the end of the day S is K's neighbor... not Wash DC.
at the end of the day, K must live with its antagonistic neighbor. it needs cordial relations not S. no one will bomb serbia for not being nicey-nice to the child of this rape.

blag

pre 17 godina

DANIEL FRIED'S COMMENTS YESTERDAY IN RESPONSE OF A QUESTION

(pls note the very weak legal standing he bases his "opinions" on and note the very real hypocrisy in his statements. note the injustice in his words).

if he thinks this will ead to alsting peace he is f*ck*ng out of his mind)

=======================

Question: I am from Politika daily, Belgrade. It's nice to meet you.

Several days ago the New York Times published opinion of Timothy William Waters who says that changing the borders, reducing the partition we are
undertaking could make full, fair independence possible.

Assistant Secretary Fried: You mean partition.

Question: Reducing the partition of Serbia. It's not the partition of
Kosovo; it's reducing partition of Serbia. What do you think about the new
terminology and is it possible to separate some parts of Kosovo and to make
that plan possible?

Assistant Secretary Fried: The Contact Group has already said that partition of Kosovo is not a good idea. I wish, speaking personally, I wish that the civil wars that tore old Yugoslavia apart had never occurred. I remember old
Yugoslavia. It was a pretty decent country in my memory. It was torn apart by nationalism. I wish it weren't so, but it is so and we can't get it back.
So we're left with the situation we're left with.
So far the breakup of former Yugoslavia has left the old constituent elements, borders, unchanged. That is Bosnia-Herzegovina has the same borders it had during Yugoslav times internally.

Question: But not Serbia.

Assistant Secretary Fried: Right.

sreten

pre 17 godina

Well said, Blag. I would only disagree with one thing. EU may not be Serbia's future, nor Serbia's best interest. As time goes by, ties with Russia gaining on importance. Energy, surging economy, markets hungry for goods...

kreshnik

pre 17 godina

What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"?
-----------------------------

The mere fact that Telenor has already agreed to invest that kind of dough makes Kosovo's independence more likely.

Capital has decided that Kosovo is independent, and that Serbia does not need it.

Simple.

blag

pre 17 godina

Let's deconstruct what's coming out of Brussels these days:

PART ONE: "Be Constructive. Negotiate..."
This is "code." it really means: "sign the papers & give us the cover we need to make this legal." at this late hr they still ask BG to sign. The language acknowledges lack of a legal mechanism & that it prefers to do "messy" independence (which tim judah now calls: "nightmare scenario"). "Messy" means prolonged legal challenge, diplomatic/ economic isolation, partition of K; and "end game" in BiH.
think it through.... if K will be independent & nothing can stop that.... what does serbia gain by signing the paper? Answer? Nothing. You may say: "well, you will receive all the benefits in the proposal". Answer: BG will receive the benefits in the proposal whether it signs or not. After all, what will brussels do? Not protect churches? Not gaurantee human rights? Not permit BG to give free $$ to serbs? These are not "gifts" but human rights... BG doesn't need to negotiate for this. Now is not the time to go wobbly. At the end of the day.... They need someone to sign and avoid the messy way. They will NOT upset the world order for K.

PART TWO: "... A European future awaits Serbia if you agree"
A threat wrapped in a bogus concept. A euro future already awaits Serbia. europe is serbia and serbia is europe. All CEFTA countries (Bulgaria & Romania too) need a healthy Serbia to evolve. There will be no bombing. No sanctions. No isolation. The economic cat is out of the bag. Large tenders await '07 privatizations. The same diplomats who threaten have corps who seek access. at the end of the day, greek euros are just as good as brit euros. Diplomats cannot stop money from seeking return. Nor can they sanction again. What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"? These are empty threats.

CONCLUSION: Don't Believe a Word they Say!
It is probable that K will receive some level of "incomplete sovreignty" that may or may not lead to independence.... or it may declare indep outright & get recognition from powerful and impt states. S should hold out for more concessions... or it should seek very, very serious compensation (I speak of RS). But it should never ever be complicit in its own rape and sign a document at gun point (which only provides legal cover to the rapist). it shoul dbe prepred to make things messy.

at the end of the day S is K's neighbor... not Wash DC.
at the end of the day, K must live with its antagonistic neighbor. it needs cordial relations not S. no one will bomb serbia for not being nicey-nice to the child of this rape.

blag

pre 17 godina

DANIEL FRIED'S COMMENTS YESTERDAY IN RESPONSE OF A QUESTION

(pls note the very weak legal standing he bases his "opinions" on and note the very real hypocrisy in his statements. note the injustice in his words).

if he thinks this will ead to alsting peace he is f*ck*ng out of his mind)

=======================

Question: I am from Politika daily, Belgrade. It's nice to meet you.

Several days ago the New York Times published opinion of Timothy William Waters who says that changing the borders, reducing the partition we are
undertaking could make full, fair independence possible.

Assistant Secretary Fried: You mean partition.

Question: Reducing the partition of Serbia. It's not the partition of
Kosovo; it's reducing partition of Serbia. What do you think about the new
terminology and is it possible to separate some parts of Kosovo and to make
that plan possible?

Assistant Secretary Fried: The Contact Group has already said that partition of Kosovo is not a good idea. I wish, speaking personally, I wish that the civil wars that tore old Yugoslavia apart had never occurred. I remember old
Yugoslavia. It was a pretty decent country in my memory. It was torn apart by nationalism. I wish it weren't so, but it is so and we can't get it back.
So we're left with the situation we're left with.
So far the breakup of former Yugoslavia has left the old constituent elements, borders, unchanged. That is Bosnia-Herzegovina has the same borders it had during Yugoslav times internally.

Question: But not Serbia.

Assistant Secretary Fried: Right.

sreten

pre 17 godina

Well said, Blag. I would only disagree with one thing. EU may not be Serbia's future, nor Serbia's best interest. As time goes by, ties with Russia gaining on importance. Energy, surging economy, markets hungry for goods...

kreshnik

pre 17 godina

What will they say to norway's telenor who just paid $1.7B euros to S.... "ummm.... Sorry, but we're putting sanctions into place... sorry you spent all that money"?
-----------------------------

The mere fact that Telenor has already agreed to invest that kind of dough makes Kosovo's independence more likely.

Capital has decided that Kosovo is independent, and that Serbia does not need it.

Simple.