“No one to meet Ahtisaari”

well, guys, I don't see any reason why not to meet Ahtisari, when, according to the Serbia's constitution, the current president and promeminister is to "act" the roles until the new government is elected. The serbias political leaders intention is, just to postpone the status developments, and as even if they succeed, this will not change the course anyway, so why trying to pospone...???!!!

i fully agree on that. so what's the rush? my albanian friends would again claim this as delaying tactics i'm sure. we are not in the wild wild west.

It is in both, Kosova's and Serbia's interest to solve the issue ASAP, so we could move ahead, to make the brighter future for our children (to get them out of the Slobos, Seselj's etc etc.. darknes).

Serbia needs a real govenment to negotiate and deal with the people's reaction not a lame duck old government.

Facts: Kosovo is Serbian. The Serbian nation has always included Kosovo. Kosovo is the heart that beats at the centre of the Serb psyche. The recent meddling by Martti Ahtissaari with his absurd plan for independence not only defies logic, its acceptance by five of the six members of the Group of Contact (also G8 members) must have Mussolini and Hitler laughing in their graves, for this was their plan for a Greater Albania. History yet again proves Albania wrong and Serbia right.

The United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy...five nations whose colonialist history and practices of slavery speak for themselves, think it is a good idea to contravene what history has been trying to prevent in the Balkans for centuries, namely the creation of a Greater Albania, by giving the nod to the Finnish UN special envoy to the Balkans, Martti Ahtissaari and his plan to gradually create an independent Kosovo.

“Gradual and unconditional” independence for Kosovo, ripping the heart out of Serbia, a meddlesome and intrusive, unwelcome and unasked-for act of blatant arrogance from non-Balkan peoples. What business is it of theirs? What business is it of Finland, England, America, Germany, France or Italy to deliberate what is or is not Serbian territory, to carve off the historic berth, the birthplace of Serbia, and grant it independence just because 90 per cent of its inhabitants are Kosovar Albanians?

It is like Marseilles being occupied by North Africans, who push out the French and declare it as an Algerian enclave. It is like Leicester in England having a population of 90% ethnic Bengalis, who install a Koranic state and impose sharia law on Mrs. Bridges, Mr. Smith and the spinster, Miss Jones, the only three English people left. It is like a German city with a 90 per cent ethnic Turkish population seceeding from the Bundesrepublik and forming a separate Free Turkish State. Then the UNO backs them up, draws lines on maps and declares “This territory is not yours, it is theirs”, rather like historically the same nations carved up huge swathes of territory overseas and said “This is ours, and that is yours”.

The only country standing up for the rule of law, right and reason, as usual, is the Russian Federation, which refuses to allow any settlement which would be humiliating for Serbia and wishes to postpone any UN decision until a Serbian government can be formed (after elections) to deliberate on the issue. After all, it is the soul of their nation that Ahtissaari wants to rip out. Mussolini and Hitler must be laughing in their graves, for it was they who in 1941 integrated Kosovo into Greater Albania as tens of thousands of Serbs were forced out of their homes.

The Albanian government has claimed at various times that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians, the original inhabitants of this region, and that therefore they have a right to this Province of Serbia.

However, for anyone who bothers to do any research, it would appear evident that the Albanians have got their history in a twist. However much one adulterates the word “Illyria”, one does not get anywhere as near to “Albania” as the “Albani”, a tribe which had lived on the Caspian Sea and which many centuries after the Illyrians had been conquered by the Romans, moved westwards into their mountainous refuge, where these tribes remained as the “Shqiperi” or “eagle people”. Polybius (200 – 118 BC) writes that the Albani and Illyrians spoke two distinct languages and needed interpreters to understand each other. Indeed, it was under the Ottoman domination of the Balkans that the Albanians settled definitively in the area which is Albania today.

It was the Serbian army, led by prince Lazar, aided to some extent by Bosnians and Albanians, which fought the heroic battle of Kosovo Polje (Blackbird Field) on 28th June 1389, gaining an honourable draw against the might of the Ottoman Turks, but being so weakened that by 1459, all of Serbia had been occupied. However, Kosovo Polye stood firm in the hearts and minds of generations of Serbs for hundreds of years as their rallying cry.

If these imperialist nations which want to give Kosovo to those who invaded it over centuries thought of a battle which rallied the national spirit, for Serbia this would be Kosovo Polye, near Pristina.

Giving Kosovo to the Albanians by making it an independent state is paramount to giving the thumbs-up to the Fascist practices of the Albanians during the Second World War, when they sided with Hitler. It is to condone acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves, the KLA, against fellow Albanians and Serbs alike. It is to create an Albanian question in the Balkans, because after Kosovo will come Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro. Perhaps these nations should decide what happens on their frontiers and not Washington, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome and Helsinki and perhaps these countries should, for once, get off their high horse of arrogance and listen to Vladimir Putin.

First, I am appalled that B92 will let someone post here such a racist article by Pravda.

Second, Oliver Ivanović seems to be the smartest guy in all this crazyness.

Third, we need to move on ASAP with the independence.

Fourth, then we can sign a free trade agreement.

"PRAVDA" pretty much hit the nail on the head! That pretty much somes up what the truth of the matter is! What a shameful move on the part of the west to endorse the Albanian government in Kosovo. Serbs need to fight for Kosovo by all means necessary!!!

sebastian,

i am ashamed for you. this post is absolutely LOADED with albanian racist, bigoted, and generally untrue and skewed propaganda. a serb states his point of view, and he becomes the one who is racist. what makes you so special that a double standard can apply to you?

sebastian,
How was what PRAVDA wrote racist? You have no idea what racism is if you clam that as it. I have read a lot about the Balkans and what PRAVDA wrote seems pretty solid. The here say that Albanians post on this site and write in the media should be deemed as racist and condemed by the world however it is not because of your lobby powers. If you are going to claim something as racist please back it up. I am glad that someone as intelectual as PRAVDA as finally written a post. A reality check for the world: Albanians have always sided with the worlds superpower no matter if it is right or wrong. Today they are no different as they depend on the superpowers to steal land from a soverign state.

PRAVDA

"However, for anyone who bothers to do any research, it would appear evident that the Albanians have got their history in a twist. However much one adulterates the word “Illyria”, one does not get anywhere as near to “Albania” as the “Albani”, a tribe which had lived on the Caspian Sea and which many centuries after the Illyrians had been conquered by the Romans, moved westwards into their mountainous refuge, where these tribes remained as the “Shqiperi” or “eagle people”. Polybius (200 – 118 BC) writes that the Albani and Illyrians spoke two distinct languages and needed interpreters to understand each other" - Even if thats true, which is highly unlikely, it still means that albanians where there before the serbs came, so either way, albanians where there first. Not that it should matter anyway.

First, I am appalled that B92 will let someone post here such a racist article by Pravda.(sebastian, 29 January 2007, 17:36)

I believe PRAVDA speaks the TRUTH.

Sebastian,
Dont worry, PRAVDA is another desperate nationalst that has not come to his/her senses yet.
Dont worry, they will wake up soon

PRAVDA could not have written it better.

He speaks the truth.

No racist remarks what so ever in this one.

Only the truth was written.

Hermon

How so? It seems that you have no constructive argument to make...
Maybe its Albanian who need to wake up and realize that two nations with the same people can't exist Albania-Albanians Kosovo-Albanians

Serbians have made a better argument than Albanians. Where are they Albanians proof to this land of Kosovo? I talked with many professors of mine at Nagoya City University, and they have all given me their view of this matter. The Albanian inhabitation of this land have migrated north in several stages, One during the Ottoman occupation of Serbia, in return to their loyalty and conversion Kosovo was given as a gift to Albanians, and Two through Yugoslavian leader Marshal Tito who gave considerable rights to these people and forcefully moved the once Serbian majority of this province.

This matter must be resolved yes, but not in the manner that it is likely going to be...

The genocide case against Serbia is a laughing stoke, Look at my nation, the only nation to have nuclear bomb dropped on us, has Japan received any apology? were was the Hague in 1945? when will the US answer for this genocide? No.....they wont

Serbian forces had a legitimate excuse to be sent in, the violent out break prior to any media coverage of this matter, which was horribly one sided. the KLA a terrorist group funded by the Albanian government and there large drug connections the largest in the world began attacks on Police officers and Serbian civilians in the province, I ask the Albanian here to stop being ignorant and ask (Why did they Serbs send in the army?) maybe instead of accusing Serbia of 10 000 death largely exaggerated and foreplay when put next to Japans death in WW2 or even todays Iraq 30 000 + how many of those people picked up a gun which as largely available or was the KLA death toll even separated from the civilian death tole, how many of those refuges even confirmed at aide agencies working their, that they are still alive?

And I ask how "Other" nations could respond to this very difficult situation? Spain is nearly paralyzed with a group 3 times smaller than KLA and they do not even have a loud majority in favor of their effort, Russia is has a almost identical situation such as Serbia apart from the fact that Chechen's do not have their own country to begin with, and does the international community say anything about Russia bad handling of that? With out a doubt 10x worse than that of Serbia? No, thanks in part of their nuclear arsenal.

Regards

hopefully I wont be labeled a Nationalist due to my support for Serbia :)

Konichiwa Serbia.

It's symptomatic how some characters here still live in the old Serb myths like the famous: “Kosovo is the heart that beats at the centre of the Serb psyche”
Pravda, the fact is:
1. Kosovo is ruled by Serb kings (who killed even their own sons or fathers to get to the throne) around 200 years! Check your history book and use a calculator if you don’t believe! But the same Kosovo is ruled by ottomans around 500 years! And they have build hundreds of temples, schools, bridges, baths etc etc. So logically Turks have more historical & moral rights to claim Kosovo as “a heart that beats whatever.... “
2. While the theory that Albanians came from Caspian is a total nonsense (anybody speaks Albanian or a similar language there or anywhere else on this planet?) even bigger nonsense is to compare the emigrant’s communities in Europe with Albanian population in Kosovo. That’s even rude. It could be made up only by a nationalist mind grown up with Cosic’s & Milosevic’s myths and nonsense that have exactly brought Serbia were it is now.

Pravda- Dont tell me that TEUTA and Agron Bardyllis (Bardhyl)are slavic names please... focus on todays problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teuta

Branco Covic,

My dear friend, you unwittingly "hit the nail on its head". Serbia is most definitely in the "Wild Wild West" of Europe as most Europeans would agree!

In fact, most of Europe is embarrassed for Serbia for constantly making lame excuses in order to stall talks with Ahtisaari. I hope you realize these infantile tactics are only adding to Serbia's lack of credibility.

PRAVDA,
Before you attempt to "cut and paste" articles from previous comments on B 92, you should, at least, try to disguise your plagiarism to avoid embarrassment.

"The Albanian government has claimed at various times that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians, PRAVDA.."

Get off it...it was your own serbian scholar Stipcevic who called it the Illyrian Albanian Continuity...in his famous paper given at your Belgrade U. Pravda..don't make a fool of yourself when you don't know what you talk about here. The Serbs are already embarrassed of their govt's performance in the last two decades, you don't have to pour salt on the serbian wound in their soul.

To Pavda:
Please tell us, who did the serbs find in Kosova when they came from Carpathian region west of today’s Ukraine in the 6, 7 and 8th century?, by which people was Kosova inhabited?
As far as the Kosovo Polje battle was a battle of coalition forces to stop the Ottoman Empire for going further to Europe, therefore making it Serbian battle it’s absurd.
When talking about the Kosovo Polje battle serbs seem to forget to mention the Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs Austrians, and others that participated in that battle against the Turks. Going it alone at that time would have been suicidal for the Serbs, that is why the argument that others participated is logical, hey all had a common interest to repel the Ottoman Empire from advancing further up north.
But what else is new?, Serbs always did try to falsify history, or make it their own.
Not that it matters much, but you Mr. Paravda are making some false claims.
Anyway this has nothing to do with Kosova Independence which is around the corner, and you can not change anything about it, even if you stand on your head and turn blue.
Kosova will be Independent whether you like or despise it, and that is a fact.
Get over it, and live with it but based on your comment I seriously doubt it.
Peace for all of us.

As Serbs and Albanians continue here their very fruitful chat about their memories from Caspian Sea and Carpathian region, I toss in a question of today's activities:
Should we understand that the sentence "the sole state body entitled to run foreign policy" (describing Serbia's government) points that Serbia's state organs consider Kosovo question being "foreign policy"?

So at this moment Serbia is left without any leadership to govern. If no one has amandate to receive the package from Ahtisari, imagen if serbia is attacked from hostile country, there will be no one to give the order to protect the country. WOW, what a joke. This are stoling tactics , which everyone even children know about it. Koshtunica, Tadiq and Drashkoviq have guts and face the reality.

You know what? Case in point: alban's post above. It's absolutely laughable how these people are trying to distort history. Actually, the word 'distort' is probably very forgiving in this case.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway. It's only the few commentators that post here (including myself) that actually read any of these comments. Any of you really think that political leaders and diplomats are reading this?

Those who want to fight just start it and see the results.
Just that his nickname is PRAVDA does not mean that he is right.

Assuming as some would like to assume that Albanians are from Caspic Sea, then according to that "assumption" Albanians have still right over Kosova taking into account the origin of Serbs.
Roll your ball on which ever side you want, its always same, it's a ball of spheric from. In other words Albanians writte comments in this webpage from Pristina, Prizren, Peja, Gjakova, wereas Serbs from Belgrade, Nis and that wont change in next infinite years.

So logically Turks have more historical & moral rights to claim Kosovo as “a heart that beats whatever.... “
(Alban, 29 January 2007, 23:46)

So how does Albania de facto have more rights to the land of Kosovo?

This is the time that the Illyria attachment is made given that Albania has never existed as a sovereign state for thirteen centuries.

well, guys, I don't see any reason why not to meet Ahtisari, when, according to the Serbia's constitution, the current president and promeminister is to "act" the roles until the new government is elected. The serbias political leaders intention is, just to postpone the status developments, and as even if they succeed, this will not change the course anyway, so why trying to pospone...???!!!

i fully agree on that. so what's the rush? my albanian friends would again claim this as delaying tactics i'm sure. we are not in the wild wild west.

It is in both, Kosova's and Serbia's interest to solve the issue ASAP, so we could move ahead, to make the brighter future for our children (to get them out of the Slobos, Seselj's etc etc.. darknes).

Serbia needs a real govenment to negotiate and deal with the people's reaction not a lame duck old government.

Facts: Kosovo is Serbian. The Serbian nation has always included Kosovo. Kosovo is the heart that beats at the centre of the Serb psyche. The recent meddling by Martti Ahtissaari with his absurd plan for independence not only defies logic, its acceptance by five of the six members of the Group of Contact (also G8 members) must have Mussolini and Hitler laughing in their graves, for this was their plan for a Greater Albania. History yet again proves Albania wrong and Serbia right.

The United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy...five nations whose colonialist history and practices of slavery speak for themselves, think it is a good idea to contravene what history has been trying to prevent in the Balkans for centuries, namely the creation of a Greater Albania, by giving the nod to the Finnish UN special envoy to the Balkans, Martti Ahtissaari and his plan to gradually create an independent Kosovo.

“Gradual and unconditional” independence for Kosovo, ripping the heart out of Serbia, a meddlesome and intrusive, unwelcome and unasked-for act of blatant arrogance from non-Balkan peoples. What business is it of theirs? What business is it of Finland, England, America, Germany, France or Italy to deliberate what is or is not Serbian territory, to carve off the historic berth, the birthplace of Serbia, and grant it independence just because 90 per cent of its inhabitants are Kosovar Albanians?

It is like Marseilles being occupied by North Africans, who push out the French and declare it as an Algerian enclave. It is like Leicester in England having a population of 90% ethnic Bengalis, who install a Koranic state and impose sharia law on Mrs. Bridges, Mr. Smith and the spinster, Miss Jones, the only three English people left. It is like a German city with a 90 per cent ethnic Turkish population seceeding from the Bundesrepublik and forming a separate Free Turkish State. Then the UNO backs them up, draws lines on maps and declares “This territory is not yours, it is theirs”, rather like historically the same nations carved up huge swathes of territory overseas and said “This is ours, and that is yours”.

The only country standing up for the rule of law, right and reason, as usual, is the Russian Federation, which refuses to allow any settlement which would be humiliating for Serbia and wishes to postpone any UN decision until a Serbian government can be formed (after elections) to deliberate on the issue. After all, it is the soul of their nation that Ahtissaari wants to rip out. Mussolini and Hitler must be laughing in their graves, for it was they who in 1941 integrated Kosovo into Greater Albania as tens of thousands of Serbs were forced out of their homes.

The Albanian government has claimed at various times that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians, the original inhabitants of this region, and that therefore they have a right to this Province of Serbia.

However, for anyone who bothers to do any research, it would appear evident that the Albanians have got their history in a twist. However much one adulterates the word “Illyria”, one does not get anywhere as near to “Albania” as the “Albani”, a tribe which had lived on the Caspian Sea and which many centuries after the Illyrians had been conquered by the Romans, moved westwards into their mountainous refuge, where these tribes remained as the “Shqiperi” or “eagle people”. Polybius (200 – 118 BC) writes that the Albani and Illyrians spoke two distinct languages and needed interpreters to understand each other. Indeed, it was under the Ottoman domination of the Balkans that the Albanians settled definitively in the area which is Albania today.

It was the Serbian army, led by prince Lazar, aided to some extent by Bosnians and Albanians, which fought the heroic battle of Kosovo Polje (Blackbird Field) on 28th June 1389, gaining an honourable draw against the might of the Ottoman Turks, but being so weakened that by 1459, all of Serbia had been occupied. However, Kosovo Polye stood firm in the hearts and minds of generations of Serbs for hundreds of years as their rallying cry.

If these imperialist nations which want to give Kosovo to those who invaded it over centuries thought of a battle which rallied the national spirit, for Serbia this would be Kosovo Polye, near Pristina.

Giving Kosovo to the Albanians by making it an independent state is paramount to giving the thumbs-up to the Fascist practices of the Albanians during the Second World War, when they sided with Hitler. It is to condone acts of terrorism perpetrated by the Ushtria Clirimtare e Kosoves, the KLA, against fellow Albanians and Serbs alike. It is to create an Albanian question in the Balkans, because after Kosovo will come Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro. Perhaps these nations should decide what happens on their frontiers and not Washington, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome and Helsinki and perhaps these countries should, for once, get off their high horse of arrogance and listen to Vladimir Putin.

First, I am appalled that B92 will let someone post here such a racist article by Pravda.

Second, Oliver Ivanović seems to be the smartest guy in all this crazyness.

Third, we need to move on ASAP with the independence.

Fourth, then we can sign a free trade agreement.

"PRAVDA" pretty much hit the nail on the head! That pretty much somes up what the truth of the matter is! What a shameful move on the part of the west to endorse the Albanian government in Kosovo. Serbs need to fight for Kosovo by all means necessary!!!

sebastian,

i am ashamed for you. this post is absolutely LOADED with albanian racist, bigoted, and generally untrue and skewed propaganda. a serb states his point of view, and he becomes the one who is racist. what makes you so special that a double standard can apply to you?

sebastian,
How was what PRAVDA wrote racist? You have no idea what racism is if you clam that as it. I have read a lot about the Balkans and what PRAVDA wrote seems pretty solid. The here say that Albanians post on this site and write in the media should be deemed as racist and condemed by the world however it is not because of your lobby powers. If you are going to claim something as racist please back it up. I am glad that someone as intelectual as PRAVDA as finally written a post. A reality check for the world: Albanians have always sided with the worlds superpower no matter if it is right or wrong. Today they are no different as they depend on the superpowers to steal land from a soverign state.

PRAVDA

"However, for anyone who bothers to do any research, it would appear evident that the Albanians have got their history in a twist. However much one adulterates the word “Illyria”, one does not get anywhere as near to “Albania” as the “Albani”, a tribe which had lived on the Caspian Sea and which many centuries after the Illyrians had been conquered by the Romans, moved westwards into their mountainous refuge, where these tribes remained as the “Shqiperi” or “eagle people”. Polybius (200 – 118 BC) writes that the Albani and Illyrians spoke two distinct languages and needed interpreters to understand each other" - Even if thats true, which is highly unlikely, it still means that albanians where there before the serbs came, so either way, albanians where there first. Not that it should matter anyway.

First, I am appalled that B92 will let someone post here such a racist article by Pravda.(sebastian, 29 January 2007, 17:36)

I believe PRAVDA speaks the TRUTH.

Sebastian,
Dont worry, PRAVDA is another desperate nationalst that has not come to his/her senses yet.
Dont worry, they will wake up soon

PRAVDA could not have written it better.

He speaks the truth.

No racist remarks what so ever in this one.

Only the truth was written.

Hermon

How so? It seems that you have no constructive argument to make...
Maybe its Albanian who need to wake up and realize that two nations with the same people can't exist Albania-Albanians Kosovo-Albanians

Serbians have made a better argument than Albanians. Where are they Albanians proof to this land of Kosovo? I talked with many professors of mine at Nagoya City University, and they have all given me their view of this matter. The Albanian inhabitation of this land have migrated north in several stages, One during the Ottoman occupation of Serbia, in return to their loyalty and conversion Kosovo was given as a gift to Albanians, and Two through Yugoslavian leader Marshal Tito who gave considerable rights to these people and forcefully moved the once Serbian majority of this province.

This matter must be resolved yes, but not in the manner that it is likely going to be...

The genocide case against Serbia is a laughing stoke, Look at my nation, the only nation to have nuclear bomb dropped on us, has Japan received any apology? were was the Hague in 1945? when will the US answer for this genocide? No.....they wont

Serbian forces had a legitimate excuse to be sent in, the violent out break prior to any media coverage of this matter, which was horribly one sided. the KLA a terrorist group funded by the Albanian government and there large drug connections the largest in the world began attacks on Police officers and Serbian civilians in the province, I ask the Albanian here to stop being ignorant and ask (Why did they Serbs send in the army?) maybe instead of accusing Serbia of 10 000 death largely exaggerated and foreplay when put next to Japans death in WW2 or even todays Iraq 30 000 + how many of those people picked up a gun which as largely available or was the KLA death toll even separated from the civilian death tole, how many of those refuges even confirmed at aide agencies working their, that they are still alive?

And I ask how "Other" nations could respond to this very difficult situation? Spain is nearly paralyzed with a group 3 times smaller than KLA and they do not even have a loud majority in favor of their effort, Russia is has a almost identical situation such as Serbia apart from the fact that Chechen's do not have their own country to begin with, and does the international community say anything about Russia bad handling of that? With out a doubt 10x worse than that of Serbia? No, thanks in part of their nuclear arsenal.

Regards

hopefully I wont be labeled a Nationalist due to my support for Serbia :)

Konichiwa Serbia.

It's symptomatic how some characters here still live in the old Serb myths like the famous: “Kosovo is the heart that beats at the centre of the Serb psyche”
Pravda, the fact is:
1. Kosovo is ruled by Serb kings (who killed even their own sons or fathers to get to the throne) around 200 years! Check your history book and use a calculator if you don’t believe! But the same Kosovo is ruled by ottomans around 500 years! And they have build hundreds of temples, schools, bridges, baths etc etc. So logically Turks have more historical & moral rights to claim Kosovo as “a heart that beats whatever.... “
2. While the theory that Albanians came from Caspian is a total nonsense (anybody speaks Albanian or a similar language there or anywhere else on this planet?) even bigger nonsense is to compare the emigrant’s communities in Europe with Albanian population in Kosovo. That’s even rude. It could be made up only by a nationalist mind grown up with Cosic’s & Milosevic’s myths and nonsense that have exactly brought Serbia were it is now.

Pravda- Dont tell me that TEUTA and Agron Bardyllis (Bardhyl)are slavic names please... focus on todays problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teuta

Branco Covic,

My dear friend, you unwittingly "hit the nail on its head". Serbia is most definitely in the "Wild Wild West" of Europe as most Europeans would agree!

In fact, most of Europe is embarrassed for Serbia for constantly making lame excuses in order to stall talks with Ahtisaari. I hope you realize these infantile tactics are only adding to Serbia's lack of credibility.

PRAVDA,
Before you attempt to "cut and paste" articles from previous comments on B 92, you should, at least, try to disguise your plagiarism to avoid embarrassment.

"The Albanian government has claimed at various times that the Albanians are the descendants of the Illyrians, PRAVDA.."

Get off it...it was your own serbian scholar Stipcevic who called it the Illyrian Albanian Continuity...in his famous paper given at your Belgrade U. Pravda..don't make a fool of yourself when you don't know what you talk about here. The Serbs are already embarrassed of their govt's performance in the last two decades, you don't have to pour salt on the serbian wound in their soul.

To Pavda:
Please tell us, who did the serbs find in Kosova when they came from Carpathian region west of today’s Ukraine in the 6, 7 and 8th century?, by which people was Kosova inhabited?
As far as the Kosovo Polje battle was a battle of coalition forces to stop the Ottoman Empire for going further to Europe, therefore making it Serbian battle it’s absurd.
When talking about the Kosovo Polje battle serbs seem to forget to mention the Albanians, Hungarians, Vlachs Austrians, and others that participated in that battle against the Turks. Going it alone at that time would have been suicidal for the Serbs, that is why the argument that others participated is logical, hey all had a common interest to repel the Ottoman Empire from advancing further up north.
But what else is new?, Serbs always did try to falsify history, or make it their own.
Not that it matters much, but you Mr. Paravda are making some false claims.
Anyway this has nothing to do with Kosova Independence which is around the corner, and you can not change anything about it, even if you stand on your head and turn blue.
Kosova will be Independent whether you like or despise it, and that is a fact.
Get over it, and live with it but based on your comment I seriously doubt it.
Peace for all of us.

As Serbs and Albanians continue here their very fruitful chat about their memories from Caspian Sea and Carpathian region, I toss in a question of today's activities:
Should we understand that the sentence "the sole state body entitled to run foreign policy" (describing Serbia's government) points that Serbia's state organs consider Kosovo question being "foreign policy"?

So at this moment Serbia is left without any leadership to govern. If no one has amandate to receive the package from Ahtisari, imagen if serbia is attacked from hostile country, there will be no one to give the order to protect the country. WOW, what a joke. This are stoling tactics , which everyone even children know about it. Koshtunica, Tadiq and Drashkoviq have guts and face the reality.

You know what? Case in point: alban's post above. It's absolutely laughable how these people are trying to distort history. Actually, the word 'distort' is probably very forgiving in this case.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway. It's only the few commentators that post here (including myself) that actually read any of these comments. Any of you really think that political leaders and diplomats are reading this?

Those who want to fight just start it and see the results.
Just that his nickname is PRAVDA does not mean that he is right.

Assuming as some would like to assume that Albanians are from Caspic Sea, then according to that "assumption" Albanians have still right over Kosova taking into account the origin of Serbs.
Roll your ball on which ever side you want, its always same, it's a ball of spheric from. In other words Albanians writte comments in this webpage from Pristina, Prizren, Peja, Gjakova, wereas Serbs from Belgrade, Nis and that wont change in next infinite years.

So logically Turks have more historical & moral rights to claim Kosovo as “a heart that beats whatever.... “
(Alban, 29 January 2007, 23:46)

So how does Albania de facto have more rights to the land of Kosovo?

This is the time that the Illyria attachment is made given that Albania has never existed as a sovereign state for thirteen centuries.