All the six Serbs accused by the Hague Tribunal are innocent. This was all Albanian fabrication. If you don't believe me, you can check the report of the Serb forensic doctors on www.serbia-do-tokija.com
French media are known for their anti American agenda. Since Kosovo was supported by America they wrote (as that did during Iraq War) pro-Serbian propaganda.
The Washington Post:
“The attack on this Kosovo village that led to the killing of 45 ethnic Albanian civilians 12 days ago came at the orders of senior officials of the Serb-led Belgrade government who then orchestrated a coverup following an international outcry, according to telephone intercepts by Western governments.”
Again please point out where I used the word "tampered"?What I am quoting from is the evidence presented at the Milosevic trial, which doesn't exactly fall into a conspiracy theory category.
"10,000" Albanian dead is a guess and never an established figure.
According to the indictment the youngest was 13 and the oldest 70. The KLA were known to have fighters within that age range.
Where I come from doesn't matter does it?
I think you have look at the quality of the comments on here to see how is being objective, subjective, emotional and just plain silly.
Perhaps the most incitful information about Racak came from the French TV personal who were there on the day.
Just look at the range of the age of those who were killed in Recak. What do you call an 11 years old boy or 83 year old man? Those members of masacred families who were lucky to survive are still living in Recak. For you who dare to say the masacre was fabricated, go there, ask questions, talk to people and see for yourself...so painful to read some of your comments. I pitty the future of Serbia if it's to be built with people like you.
would've spoken different if you were actualy living and seeing with your own eyes, but i guess you are reading some conspiracy theory, as i am doing just now for the 11th of septembr, for 7of july bombings in london seem to be a lot of contradiction but no one seems to be as cold harted as the serbs and u philip where ever your from, to justify massacares as 'tampered'
hope the moderater is honest and publishes this coment!! as it seems whatever suits him now and again!
Secondly Ranta (not a pathologist) had no evidence other than her first impression that the dead were civilians. Actual autopsy findings showed that all apart from one were killed from long range, most had been handling firearms and many were known KLA members. They all wore several layers of clothes, idential belts and combat boots. After the Serbian forensic expert Slavisa Dobricanin had testified at the Milosevic trial Ranta wasn't recalled to rebut what he had said as she couldn't.
You cannot really claim I a not telling the truth without actually demonstrating it. At the end of the day actual evidence at the ICTY is going to be of more value than an article on kosovanow blogspot.
Next thing we hear is that Albanians leaded by Rugova started all the wars in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova/o or was it that Serbia hmmm...and nobody died either
????
I guess you failed to include the first paragragh of what the BBC report said back in 1999.
"A final report by forensic experts into the killing of 40 Kosovo Albanians in the village of Racak has failed to rule on whether they were massacred by Serb police
"
Did you really think that such a comment would go by without research?
???? - realise that I live in the UK and I am very, very, very aware of all BBC reporting on former Yugoslav events in recent history and currently - maybe you might guess who my employer actually is - but you can only assume!!!
A german OSCE-observer talks about it and how he helped bringing the dead fighters together to an assembly point for further examination.
there was no massacre in Racak, that´s a fact.
check for yourself, there is even a video, also with Albanians speaking in albanian language how there were no concentration camps etc.
it´s a documentary made by the german tv-channel NDR/WDR for the magizine " Monitor"
title " it started with a lie"
Ida,
You are writting something what Milosevic's lawyer said, but if you were in Reçak and see the reality I'm sure that you would not try to use those words to protect Serbian criminals.
I was in Reçak and also I did an interview with Sadik Mujota's family, you can find that interview in German, Spanish, English, Albanin and Bosnian, aslo the second interview together with Enesa Puric(Bosnian journalist) I did with some survivers of that massacre.
It is very hard to explain how serbian army and police did such a crimes against humanity, Reçak is just one example that was used as an argument to bomb sebian forces but there were many other massacres.
Maybe your generation is still sick from Milosevicomania, but next generation will blame on you for not opposing the crimes against humanity.
I wrote my first and last name in order to make you understand that I don't have to hide anything and oppenly tell you that you should support Kosova's indipendece because your people tryes to get intefrated in civilized world.
Qazim Doda
Your explanation Ida contains everything but truth.
Ranta is an expert. She was not allowed to enter Kosovo because the Serbs wanted to hide what they had done. They did something similar in Srebrenica and would they not be capable of doing it in Kosovo
Sorry to say but your comments remind me of David Irving describing Auschwitz as "a Disneyland".
Stop denying something independent EU experts have documented. Those killed were civilians.
Of course Rugova was protected by MUP and the Serbian military. The UCK and KLA were eliminating any oppostion to there brand of extremism which included Rugova at the time who were willing to negotiate with the Serbian Government.
Rugova had every reason to fear for his life from the UCK who had killed various other moderate Kosovo Albanian leaders.
You seem extremely proficent in the subject matter. Perhaps you should consider testifying at the Hague on behalf of those six angels accused of war crimes. I am sure they are innocent and you will be able to prove it with your strong, evidence based, and fully documented theory.
Philip Davis you are not telling the truth about Racak.
Helen Ranta told ICTY that all the victims were civilians and that what Serbs did in Racak was "a crime against humanity".
BBC:
Dr Helena Ranta, the forensic expert who led a team carrying out post mortems on the bodies, called the Racak deaths a "crime against humanity".
Dr Ranta said there were no signs that the victims were anything other than unarmed civilians and that they were most likely shot where they were found.
Philip/Ida
Quick reality check for you:
Here is a link of Helena's interview with regard to Racak. Remember she was brought in by Millo and Co. in order to dispute what Walker had said:
One should point out that the KLA took full control of Racak after the fighting and the Serb police left on Friday afternoon January 15.
And that the media and OSCE investigators did not report or see any bodies that afternoon and evening.
Only on Saturday, at mid-morning, were there suddenly bodies, including one with its head cut off.
Seems to KLA did a lot of arranging bodies on the scene. They brought in their dead fighters and other they killed and placed the bodies in a ditch - not far from their trenches.
One should know that Racak was a KLA base.
Some of the dead were brought in from other towns where there'd been fighting - those weren't even Racak residents.
Racak was staged and the KLA had 17 hours since the Serb police left to move, shuffle and mutilate the bodies.
What's more the media and investigators were found to tamper with the bodies by putting those white caps on them.
It was discovered during the trial that some photos showed no caps, then others did. And it was admitted that this was done.
One can see that the caps were very clean and new looking, despite the faces often being very dirty.
Tampering with crime evidence shows people trying to make fighters look like civilians.
Everyone here can see your racism and antagonism against Albanians. J.Ham you continue to write Albanians and Kosovo with small letter (Albanians, kosovo) while when you mention Serbs and Serbia you use capital letter. Since you do not like Albanians it is better to leave Kosovo and settle in Belgrade or help Karadzic translate his books to English.
After repeating the same mistakes you have lost credibility totally.
If the Serbs can do this as people have said why not the albanians? Sidi, when they announce the results of the proposal i am sure you will be commenting up a storm claiming political tampering or something. That is the main reason why kosovo is in the situation it is in blame everyone for every problem and not look at yourself in the mirror.
If the Serbs can do this as people have said why not the albanians? Sidi, when they announce the results of the proposal i am sure you will be commenting up a storm claiming political tampering or something. That is the main reason why kosovo is in the situation it is in blame everyone for every problem and not look at yourself in the mirror.
Everyone here can see your racism and antagonism against Albanians. J.Ham you continue to write Albanians and Kosovo with small letter (Albanians, kosovo) while when you mention Serbs and Serbia you use capital letter. Since you do not like Albanians it is better to leave Kosovo and settle in Belgrade or help Karadzic translate his books to English.
After repeating the same mistakes you have lost credibility totally.
One should point out that the KLA took full control of Racak after the fighting and the Serb police left on Friday afternoon January 15.
And that the media and OSCE investigators did not report or see any bodies that afternoon and evening.
Only on Saturday, at mid-morning, were there suddenly bodies, including one with its head cut off.
Seems to KLA did a lot of arranging bodies on the scene. They brought in their dead fighters and other they killed and placed the bodies in a ditch - not far from their trenches.
One should know that Racak was a KLA base.
Some of the dead were brought in from other towns where there'd been fighting - those weren't even Racak residents.
Racak was staged and the KLA had 17 hours since the Serb police left to move, shuffle and mutilate the bodies.
What's more the media and investigators were found to tamper with the bodies by putting those white caps on them.
It was discovered during the trial that some photos showed no caps, then others did. And it was admitted that this was done.
One can see that the caps were very clean and new looking, despite the faces often being very dirty.
Tampering with crime evidence shows people trying to make fighters look like civilians.
Philip Davis you are not telling the truth about Racak.
Helen Ranta told ICTY that all the victims were civilians and that what Serbs did in Racak was "a crime against humanity".
BBC:
Dr Helena Ranta, the forensic expert who led a team carrying out post mortems on the bodies, called the Racak deaths a "crime against humanity".
Dr Ranta said there were no signs that the victims were anything other than unarmed civilians and that they were most likely shot where they were found.
Philip/Ida
Quick reality check for you:
Here is a link of Helena's interview with regard to Racak. Remember she was brought in by Millo and Co. in order to dispute what Walker had said:
Of course Rugova was protected by MUP and the Serbian military. The UCK and KLA were eliminating any oppostion to there brand of extremism which included Rugova at the time who were willing to negotiate with the Serbian Government.
Rugova had every reason to fear for his life from the UCK who had killed various other moderate Kosovo Albanian leaders.
Your explanation Ida contains everything but truth.
Ranta is an expert. She was not allowed to enter Kosovo because the Serbs wanted to hide what they had done. They did something similar in Srebrenica and would they not be capable of doing it in Kosovo
Sorry to say but your comments remind me of David Irving describing Auschwitz as "a Disneyland".
Stop denying something independent EU experts have documented. Those killed were civilians.
You seem extremely proficent in the subject matter. Perhaps you should consider testifying at the Hague on behalf of those six angels accused of war crimes. I am sure they are innocent and you will be able to prove it with your strong, evidence based, and fully documented theory.
Ida,
You are writting something what Milosevic's lawyer said, but if you were in Reçak and see the reality I'm sure that you would not try to use those words to protect Serbian criminals.
I was in Reçak and also I did an interview with Sadik Mujota's family, you can find that interview in German, Spanish, English, Albanin and Bosnian, aslo the second interview together with Enesa Puric(Bosnian journalist) I did with some survivers of that massacre.
It is very hard to explain how serbian army and police did such a crimes against humanity, Reçak is just one example that was used as an argument to bomb sebian forces but there were many other massacres.
Maybe your generation is still sick from Milosevicomania, but next generation will blame on you for not opposing the crimes against humanity.
I wrote my first and last name in order to make you understand that I don't have to hide anything and oppenly tell you that you should support Kosova's indipendece because your people tryes to get intefrated in civilized world.
Qazim Doda
????
I guess you failed to include the first paragragh of what the BBC report said back in 1999.
"A final report by forensic experts into the killing of 40 Kosovo Albanians in the village of Racak has failed to rule on whether they were massacred by Serb police
"
Did you really think that such a comment would go by without research?
???? - realise that I live in the UK and I am very, very, very aware of all BBC reporting on former Yugoslav events in recent history and currently - maybe you might guess who my employer actually is - but you can only assume!!!
A german OSCE-observer talks about it and how he helped bringing the dead fighters together to an assembly point for further examination.
there was no massacre in Racak, that´s a fact.
check for yourself, there is even a video, also with Albanians speaking in albanian language how there were no concentration camps etc.
it´s a documentary made by the german tv-channel NDR/WDR for the magizine " Monitor"
title " it started with a lie"
Next thing we hear is that Albanians leaded by Rugova started all the wars in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova/o or was it that Serbia hmmm...and nobody died either
Secondly Ranta (not a pathologist) had no evidence other than her first impression that the dead were civilians. Actual autopsy findings showed that all apart from one were killed from long range, most had been handling firearms and many were known KLA members. They all wore several layers of clothes, idential belts and combat boots. After the Serbian forensic expert Slavisa Dobricanin had testified at the Milosevic trial Ranta wasn't recalled to rebut what he had said as she couldn't.
You cannot really claim I a not telling the truth without actually demonstrating it. At the end of the day actual evidence at the ICTY is going to be of more value than an article on kosovanow blogspot.
would've spoken different if you were actualy living and seeing with your own eyes, but i guess you are reading some conspiracy theory, as i am doing just now for the 11th of septembr, for 7of july bombings in london seem to be a lot of contradiction but no one seems to be as cold harted as the serbs and u philip where ever your from, to justify massacares as 'tampered'
hope the moderater is honest and publishes this coment!! as it seems whatever suits him now and again!
Just look at the range of the age of those who were killed in Recak. What do you call an 11 years old boy or 83 year old man? Those members of masacred families who were lucky to survive are still living in Recak. For you who dare to say the masacre was fabricated, go there, ask questions, talk to people and see for yourself...so painful to read some of your comments. I pitty the future of Serbia if it's to be built with people like you.
Again please point out where I used the word "tampered"?What I am quoting from is the evidence presented at the Milosevic trial, which doesn't exactly fall into a conspiracy theory category.
"10,000" Albanian dead is a guess and never an established figure.
According to the indictment the youngest was 13 and the oldest 70. The KLA were known to have fighters within that age range.
Where I come from doesn't matter does it?
I think you have look at the quality of the comments on here to see how is being objective, subjective, emotional and just plain silly.
Perhaps the most incitful information about Racak came from the French TV personal who were there on the day.
French media are known for their anti American agenda. Since Kosovo was supported by America they wrote (as that did during Iraq War) pro-Serbian propaganda.
The Washington Post:
“The attack on this Kosovo village that led to the killing of 45 ethnic Albanian civilians 12 days ago came at the orders of senior officials of the Serb-led Belgrade government who then orchestrated a coverup following an international outcry, according to telephone intercepts by Western governments.”
All the six Serbs accused by the Hague Tribunal are innocent. This was all Albanian fabrication. If you don't believe me, you can check the report of the Serb forensic doctors on www.serbia-do-tokija.com
If the Serbs can do this as people have said why not the albanians? Sidi, when they announce the results of the proposal i am sure you will be commenting up a storm claiming political tampering or something. That is the main reason why kosovo is in the situation it is in blame everyone for every problem and not look at yourself in the mirror.
Everyone here can see your racism and antagonism against Albanians. J.Ham you continue to write Albanians and Kosovo with small letter (Albanians, kosovo) while when you mention Serbs and Serbia you use capital letter. Since you do not like Albanians it is better to leave Kosovo and settle in Belgrade or help Karadzic translate his books to English.
After repeating the same mistakes you have lost credibility totally.
One should point out that the KLA took full control of Racak after the fighting and the Serb police left on Friday afternoon January 15.
And that the media and OSCE investigators did not report or see any bodies that afternoon and evening.
Only on Saturday, at mid-morning, were there suddenly bodies, including one with its head cut off.
Seems to KLA did a lot of arranging bodies on the scene. They brought in their dead fighters and other they killed and placed the bodies in a ditch - not far from their trenches.
One should know that Racak was a KLA base.
Some of the dead were brought in from other towns where there'd been fighting - those weren't even Racak residents.
Racak was staged and the KLA had 17 hours since the Serb police left to move, shuffle and mutilate the bodies.
What's more the media and investigators were found to tamper with the bodies by putting those white caps on them.
It was discovered during the trial that some photos showed no caps, then others did. And it was admitted that this was done.
One can see that the caps were very clean and new looking, despite the faces often being very dirty.
Tampering with crime evidence shows people trying to make fighters look like civilians.
Philip Davis you are not telling the truth about Racak.
Helen Ranta told ICTY that all the victims were civilians and that what Serbs did in Racak was "a crime against humanity".
BBC:
Dr Helena Ranta, the forensic expert who led a team carrying out post mortems on the bodies, called the Racak deaths a "crime against humanity".
Dr Ranta said there were no signs that the victims were anything other than unarmed civilians and that they were most likely shot where they were found.
Philip/Ida
Quick reality check for you:
Here is a link of Helena's interview with regard to Racak. Remember she was brought in by Millo and Co. in order to dispute what Walker had said:
Of course Rugova was protected by MUP and the Serbian military. The UCK and KLA were eliminating any oppostion to there brand of extremism which included Rugova at the time who were willing to negotiate with the Serbian Government.
Rugova had every reason to fear for his life from the UCK who had killed various other moderate Kosovo Albanian leaders.
Your explanation Ida contains everything but truth.
Ranta is an expert. She was not allowed to enter Kosovo because the Serbs wanted to hide what they had done. They did something similar in Srebrenica and would they not be capable of doing it in Kosovo
Sorry to say but your comments remind me of David Irving describing Auschwitz as "a Disneyland".
Stop denying something independent EU experts have documented. Those killed were civilians.
You seem extremely proficent in the subject matter. Perhaps you should consider testifying at the Hague on behalf of those six angels accused of war crimes. I am sure they are innocent and you will be able to prove it with your strong, evidence based, and fully documented theory.
Ida,
You are writting something what Milosevic's lawyer said, but if you were in Reçak and see the reality I'm sure that you would not try to use those words to protect Serbian criminals.
I was in Reçak and also I did an interview with Sadik Mujota's family, you can find that interview in German, Spanish, English, Albanin and Bosnian, aslo the second interview together with Enesa Puric(Bosnian journalist) I did with some survivers of that massacre.
It is very hard to explain how serbian army and police did such a crimes against humanity, Reçak is just one example that was used as an argument to bomb sebian forces but there were many other massacres.
Maybe your generation is still sick from Milosevicomania, but next generation will blame on you for not opposing the crimes against humanity.
I wrote my first and last name in order to make you understand that I don't have to hide anything and oppenly tell you that you should support Kosova's indipendece because your people tryes to get intefrated in civilized world.
Qazim Doda
????
I guess you failed to include the first paragragh of what the BBC report said back in 1999.
"A final report by forensic experts into the killing of 40 Kosovo Albanians in the village of Racak has failed to rule on whether they were massacred by Serb police
"
Did you really think that such a comment would go by without research?
???? - realise that I live in the UK and I am very, very, very aware of all BBC reporting on former Yugoslav events in recent history and currently - maybe you might guess who my employer actually is - but you can only assume!!!
A german OSCE-observer talks about it and how he helped bringing the dead fighters together to an assembly point for further examination.
there was no massacre in Racak, that´s a fact.
check for yourself, there is even a video, also with Albanians speaking in albanian language how there were no concentration camps etc.
it´s a documentary made by the german tv-channel NDR/WDR for the magizine " Monitor"
title " it started with a lie"
Next thing we hear is that Albanians leaded by Rugova started all the wars in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova/o or was it that Serbia hmmm...and nobody died either
Secondly Ranta (not a pathologist) had no evidence other than her first impression that the dead were civilians. Actual autopsy findings showed that all apart from one were killed from long range, most had been handling firearms and many were known KLA members. They all wore several layers of clothes, idential belts and combat boots. After the Serbian forensic expert Slavisa Dobricanin had testified at the Milosevic trial Ranta wasn't recalled to rebut what he had said as she couldn't.
You cannot really claim I a not telling the truth without actually demonstrating it. At the end of the day actual evidence at the ICTY is going to be of more value than an article on kosovanow blogspot.
would've spoken different if you were actualy living and seeing with your own eyes, but i guess you are reading some conspiracy theory, as i am doing just now for the 11th of septembr, for 7of july bombings in london seem to be a lot of contradiction but no one seems to be as cold harted as the serbs and u philip where ever your from, to justify massacares as 'tampered'
hope the moderater is honest and publishes this coment!! as it seems whatever suits him now and again!
Just look at the range of the age of those who were killed in Recak. What do you call an 11 years old boy or 83 year old man? Those members of masacred families who were lucky to survive are still living in Recak. For you who dare to say the masacre was fabricated, go there, ask questions, talk to people and see for yourself...so painful to read some of your comments. I pitty the future of Serbia if it's to be built with people like you.
Again please point out where I used the word "tampered"?What I am quoting from is the evidence presented at the Milosevic trial, which doesn't exactly fall into a conspiracy theory category.
"10,000" Albanian dead is a guess and never an established figure.
According to the indictment the youngest was 13 and the oldest 70. The KLA were known to have fighters within that age range.
Where I come from doesn't matter does it?
I think you have look at the quality of the comments on here to see how is being objective, subjective, emotional and just plain silly.
Perhaps the most incitful information about Racak came from the French TV personal who were there on the day.
French media are known for their anti American agenda. Since Kosovo was supported by America they wrote (as that did during Iraq War) pro-Serbian propaganda.
The Washington Post:
“The attack on this Kosovo village that led to the killing of 45 ethnic Albanian civilians 12 days ago came at the orders of senior officials of the Serb-led Belgrade government who then orchestrated a coverup following an international outcry, according to telephone intercepts by Western governments.”
All the six Serbs accused by the Hague Tribunal are innocent. This was all Albanian fabrication. If you don't believe me, you can check the report of the Serb forensic doctors on www.serbia-do-tokija.com
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