Lavrov: Solution cannot be imposed

Absolutly right Russia does work in its best interest. The problem the US and Athisarri have though, is that any solution that allows Russia to apply this to anywhere else it wishes will be vetoed by China who have been little considered by the US and have stated that it would not pass such a resolution.

Equally when the US open the pandora's box of self-determination where will that leave the Northern Portion of Kosovo & Metohija that would be welcome to apply the same standard. Denying the uniqueness of KiM solution creates all of the problems that the UN wanted to contain. Beyond Kosovo & Metohija Republika Srpska will immediately declare self determination. While we are at who else in Europe, Asia, Africa, N & S America.

What a solution - a UN of 1000 nations - I doubt it very much!!!

“The Kosovo Albanians’ strongest card is to call on a people’s right to self-determination, as given in the UN Charter. Whereas Belgrade insists on the respecting the international law. Such law depends on international relations and thus can be subject to change”, Đurđević concludes."

Self-determination unfortunately cuts both ways. The Serbs in North Kosovo will then claim the right to self-determination too ie. the right to decide to remain with Serbia. Srpska will claim the right to secede on that basis too. So will Taiwan, Kurdistan, North Cyprus, American Indians, Basque, Catalonians, Quebec, Aceh, Northern Ireland, etc etc. Soon the world will have over 1,000 nations.

I don't think serbs feom north will claim self-determination, because they can't go anywhere with it.
1000 nations? so be it. i don't see what's wrong with that.

lowe, princip

what you have to understand here we have borders and those borders have been there since the existence of albanians and serbians. in that reagion, not only to say serbians have made up their stance by making up their history to please their propaganda but also to belive in somthing that is not real. same as Karadic, Mladic , milosevic is serbian National Heroes, where every one in the world knows they are cowards and mass murders.
now that tells you a lot how your history is written, upon lies ,lies ,lies ,lies...im sure in a decade all the future generation are going to read is how brave these man were for fitghing the enemy, in reality fitghing women and children...
breath my friends, i mean real deep and you'll breath the reality on the ground in Kosova and that is a free country that is just now....
hope this time B92 posts my coments and the truth dosnt hurt to much of moderators feelings...
regards

"I don't think serbs feom north will claim self-determination, because they can't go anywhere with it.
1000 nations? so be it. i don't see what's wrong with that.
(fatos, 16 January 2007, 14:23)"

On the contrary, I think the Serbs in the north will be strongly tempted to do just that for obvious reasons: real fear of the Albanians and economic discrimination. Remaining part of Serbia will enable these Serbs to remain the ethnic majority. I always suspect that partition will ultimately happen, however much the West publicly loaths it.

Sure 1000 nations is fine if you can get used to the idea. We can start by breaking up the USA into 50 independent states. And throw in a few more for the black Americans, Hispanics and American Indians. I know very many countries won't be sorry to see that happen!

it´s important to keep kosovo on paper part of serbia.

defacto it won´t change much imediatly, but in the short run the "kosovars" will get poorer, the western occupiers will lose more money (becouse of overstretching their terror-forces all over the world) and will have have to think about all of their lost wars (balkan, irak, afghanistan).

kosovo can be liberated without force

http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2007/January_16/1.html >>>read this and you will find why russia is reluctant so with spain and greece. the more the merrier, that's how it will be. more chaotic??? maybe. remember with few countries in EU the constition was rejected.

Serbs of northern Kosova to be separated? As what? As an indipendent country or to join Serbia?
Who has an answer for that?

to ????:

1. kindly stop misquoting me

2. kindly refrain from saying that i seek to ethnically cleanse kosovo of albanians... or otherwise defaming me.

all my comments list legitimate political strategies serbia may pursue. some are obvious and some long shots. many of your allies on this site realize these comments for what they are and do not label them anti-albanian or racist. neither should you. it is only natural that i will argue these political points forcefully.

we should not be afraid of the comments of others, but rather be open to the vigorous exchange of competing ideas which help us understand the place of our peoples in the world and in this matter.

i find these forums very useful... especially when i exchange ideas (sometimes vigorously) with albanian people born and raised in kosovo who overwhelmingly only seek the best life they can get for themselves and their people.

cheers!

Creating a new country of "Kosovo" will open up a Pandora's box of problems for the Western world that is not worth the price. The West intervened to stop human rights violations against Albanians, not to support a violent secessionist movement by Albanians who are doing far worse to their Serb residents than was done to them. One Albanian state in Europe is enough!

Blag you seem like a reasonable person which rarely can be found in your side, please tell us here FOR WHAT YOU STAND FOR besides that you get paid for monitoring these comments.
I am all for exchanging ideas
I am sorry I haven’t read your previous comments
Please do proceed

The pain will never go away;
The wound will never heal.
The evil that was done to you
Is now your eyes, your heart.
The black will never turn to gray;
The blood will not congeal.
The violence is never through;
The past does not depart.

Time will merely make you whole,
Consuming what you are:
Part sufferer, part comforter,
Part victim, part new song;

Part mother of an angry soul,
Part child of despair,
Part witness and part conqueror
Of all that did you wrong.

RE: What is real

In 1982, the communist TITO purged over 400 Kosovoar Albanian leaders becuase they wanted republic status which they have never recieved, even in 1974 where only autonomous status was granted under the republic of Serbia.

We talk about how Milosevic was a war criminal protecting the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia and later Serbia-Montenegro, TITO is still considered a hero and the individual who gave the Albanian leaders wide ranging powers and drove the economy of Kosovo under the ground.

French-Canadians known as Quebecois have the right of secession from Canada but they have never garnered a majority vote in the province in favor of independence.Mexicans in Texas understand they would be much worse off if Texas was a part of Mexico.One look at Mexico's system and you would understand why.Of course it is hypocritical to say that Albanians have the right of self-determination but the other people do not and any European diplomat who claims this with a straight face is a liar.Serbia needs to develop its economy to such a high standard that when the EU pushes for Kosovo to become fully independent a few years in the future then Serbia will be in a position to support Republika Srpska's declaration of independence.There will not be any war following Kosovo's eventual status and there will not be any war following Republika Srbska's declaration either.The will to fight will be overshadowed by the will to make money.As far as a UN of 1000 nations I think it will be probably 100 more in addition to the present 192 which I might add were born out of blood in a majority of the cases.Everybody stay calm and give up the rhetoric of hate and violence regardless of status proposals and eventual outcome.The EU is the only one in a position to pour in the billions of euros that it will take to raise Kosovo to European standards and from what I have seen believe me it will be a LONG LONG process.

what double standards and what hypocrisy by the english.

Q: do the proponents of kosovo independence on this website support scotland's independence?

Q: can someone tell me if pristina supports scotland's independence?

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Blair warns against Scottish independence

LONDON (AFP) - Prime Minister Tony Blair has warned against any bid to break Britain apart, saying it would be "a crazy" step 300 years after Scotland and England united.

Read full story below:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070116/wl_uk_afp/britainpolitics_070116191050

Compromise between Beograd and Pristina = Victory for the people of Kosovo, Serbia, and Balkans

to blag and other serbs/you want to keep kosova in serbia? What for? Cultural heritage? oh oh § when have you been ,you serbs from serbia last time to see your cultural heraitage? Most of you have never put a feet in kosova and no nothing about how we lived there!
what do you want is still to have yours serbs in kosovo in danger? to have your army there ,because in fact you still hope that you will reconquest kosovo! how funny! for 1000 years of your efforts to get rid of the albanain ,you have just made one thing possible/you have just convinced the albanain to become stonger and stronger!
and believe me,compared to what you will have tomorrow,if you "keep" kosovo in serbia,the past years will look a tea party!
Do you know that their is a more nationalist group of albanain who say"let's be patient and stay some years more in serbia,then we could have presheva and much more,even convince sandjakli in serbia to join us in a large kosova!
and you know that you will not get rid of us for years,as you have not been for century!
we are patient,we can afford us to be patient because an albanian never turns serb!you will at the end lose much more tomorrow than today!
Remember just that :who whose able in western countries to say where is kosova before your actions?
Now every body knows,and every body knows you as a criminel nation!Great victory indeed for you ,isn't it and great defeat for us?!
No guy ,just the contrary!

If Serbia is REAL,it would mean Kosovo is integral part of Serbia...what is there to question?...now if you are not prepared to persue your principles it is you guilt and mistake...do not invent excuses: politicians are "dancers" to their own interests - the people, only the people decide, but, there we are...back again to education...

It is not up to Tony Blair nor any commentator on this site to decide for the Scottish people whether or not to declare independence.They will decide that for themselves very soon and I do not think the English will attack Scotland if a majority of Scottish people vote for independence.The relationship between the English and Scottish is a long and entangled one indeed.As an example, Sean Connery and his Scotland Forever tattoo on his arm with him being a leader in the Scottish independence movement, nonetheless accepted a KNIGHTHOOD from the Queen of ENGLAND.People in democratic societies(Quebec/Canada,Scotland/UK)do not talk of using force to preserve a union.And before anybody incites the Civil War in the US to prevent the South from seceding please try to remember that was in the 1860's and not 2007.Kosovo in 2007 must be viewed in the context of a European perspective and as such the EU is the only one in a position to keep both sides content or at least not so agitated that they resort to violence which is NOT going to promote their agenda in anybody's eyes.As the EU takes over I implore both sides to scream as loud as possible for more MONEY and more MONEY!!!!!!!!

Lili, what in all of God's name are you talking about? I couldn't understand a word of your broken-English at all. Is there an argument to your chest-thumping balcony-speech?

lili...

a few day ago, you were telling us, kosovo is named after "yogurt"... that alone, was strange enough not to mention that it was complete rubbish.
but with that agitation, "serbs are a criminal nation" you have just disqualifie yourself.
who will take you for serious now?

TO BLAG.I am a british rezident and live in Glasgow Scotland. I know well what Blair said. One thing for you to know.300 year union England with Scotland was voted by both their parlaments at the time, England did not invade Scotland the same as serbs did from 1878 to 1913 to the Albanian lands from presheva to ulqin tryin to create the great serbia. On the other side Albanians never wished to live in the same state with serbs same as Scots and English have done. in the paper today it said 57% of English want to let Scotland become independent. BUT the important thing that you should know is that if Scotish people vote for Scotland to become independent this may 2007 England will not stop them.Will serbs do the same with the Albanians? OH i forgot accordin to you we dont have a Choice Albanians are not allowed to vote.It is really sad if all the serbs would think like you!Hope they dont and look forwards instead of backwards like you do. Thanks

Russia is playing its game again. Nothing new!
Russia knows that Kosovo can be a good deal for something it needs from the West. Don't forget the treaty to get into the World Trade Org. after so many years.
To all Serbs who will read my comment: I still don't get it how you think Serbia will keep a nation by force against its will, especially after the war-after 10,000 Albanian civilians were killed by Serbia's military. Kosovo is gone for Serbia. It's over. Don't live with the past anymore-it's time to seek for a better future. Your country is one of the most isolated and the poorest in Europe. Think about building your lives and simply let Albanians alone. In fact, try to make peace with them and see if there is any cooperation in building both countries.
How about a small challenge for all you: apologize to all Albanians in this blog for what happened 8 years ago and ask them to make peace with them and see if there is something both of you could do to make Kosovo and Serbia a better place to live. You may be surprised by answers you will get.

konstantin gregovic: "In 1982, the communist TITO purged over 400 Kosovoar Albanian leaders becuase they wanted republic status ... "

Tito died in 1980. Those leaders were purged by the Serbian Communist Party, headed by Ivan Stambolic, who was the mentor of Slobodan Milosevic. Milosevic was of course the most evil, but the persecution of albanians started before him and continued after him with Kostunica who's just as ultra-nationalistic. Kostunica has knowledge of more than 1500 albanians that went missing during the war, they are either still in prison in Serbia, or were killed by the serbian forces or ended up in some factory as industrial fuel. In any case for withholding this information to their families, Kostunica is just as criminal as Milosevic.

Lili,

If you think Albanians will take over the whole Balkans, you better hope the Ottoman empire comes to help. I think your have been reading too many books written by Albanians again.

Dona,

since you live in Glasgow you will be very aware that the Scottish Nationalist Party will get at least 35% of the vote on current predictions. Making them the largest single party in the Scottish parliment. The fact that Blair uses his political position to hinder the independence of a Scottish nation that existed for many centuries before the union (of 1707) with England, has a clearly defined border for 300 years but, at the same time promotes the Independence of ethnic-Albanians within 15% of the state territory of Serbia. To create a state (Kosovo, Kosova or Dardania - what ever it might be called) that never existed ever in any historical log as a nation state, its ethnic-Albanians are Albanians so no national identity belong to a neighbouring state is a bit hypocritical to say the least don't you believe? That is why there will never be 2 Albania's!

I think it was this hypocrisy that Blag was illuminating to. That the so-called promoter of ethnic-Albanians in 99 in fact maybe re-thinking his stance given that such a stance only fuels division in the UK itself! Like Blair said recently to the ethnic minorities living in the UK "conform to it" - I think this is a message that was specifically aimed to the Muslims community. As I am sure you are aware of the 7th July 2005 Bombs were perpetarted by a group of British born muslims and currently there is a serious case in the courts of a further 6 failed suicide bombers of muslim background who attemped to cause a massacre on the 21st of July 2005. I don't think Blair or Brown (possible PM following Blair) would like to see Scotland seperate from the UK as they have said that it might cause even greater fragmentation and the term used is "Balkanisation".

I think my English is better than some here who claim to be from the UK.

I want to point out that Serbia was given Kosovo by the winning side because the Ottoman Empire was on the losing side as was Albania. Dona must be listening to the Albanian rhetoric in her conclusion that Kosovo was invaded by the Serbs. It was the Ottomans who invaded Serbia and fought the Serbs in the Battle for Kosovo.

If you would like your UK to be broken up, then let it be. But don't impose your standards on Serbia.

Blair was talking about imigrants not ethnic minorities when he said 'conform to it'. Albania and Albanians that live in Kosova ara making a compromise by not presin to unite "for the time being". So independent Kosova is the last compromise Albanians will make.As for Bair yes he wants to keep britain united but at least people here have a choise and nobody here is going to send tanks agains their wishes. Eric yes serbia was on the wining side but that does give them the right to get what dont belong to them! Serbs held Kosova put together for 250 years the turks for 450 years and if i was a outsider i would say the turks have a better claim to Kosova than serbs;And i suggest that if yous want peace in balkans you should ask the Albanians what they want; Nobody asked them in 1912 when Albanian state was createt when half its lands and people where left outside it present borders. And about the battle in 1389 there where just as many serbs fighting on the Turkish side as where fighting agains them along with Albanians Bosnians hungarians that serbs never mention.This is a fact; thanks.

Teuta, 17 January 2007, 07:18)
Milosevic is not a Criminal

Point taken, Stambolic was the head of the Serbian Communist Party, a rotating Presidency was put in place in Yugoslavia which included the republics of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Bosnia. You notice Vojvodina or Kosovo did not have a rotating seat in the presidency, they were constituent to Serbia.

Milosevic was not convicted in the former Yugoslava and not at the Hague Tribunal , even in Absentia. Milosevic is no more a war criminal than Hacim Thaci, Agim Ceku, Adam Jesheri, Haradnai....

Rugova in fairness started a peaceful seperation campaign and even Milosevic gave him full respect by protecting him during the NATO bombing from the KLA and UCK who wanted to execute him.

Princip

"(Kosovo, Kosova or Dardania - what ever it might be called)at the same time promotes the Independence of ethnic-Albanians within 15% of the state territory of Serbia"

One thing you (serbs) allways forget when you make these kind of comparisons is that none of these countries you mention (U.K, USA, Spain etc.) didn't treat their citizens the way Serbia treated albanians.
Just like Polt said "Kosovo issue has become one of a kind".


"that never existed ever in any historical log as a nation state"

Neither did Israel nor BIH.

Dona - Blair was very specific and I think you know for instance there have been 600,000 immigrants from Poland and has been anything but positive about the benefir of immigration to the UK economy. I think you know Blair was being a great deal more specific or need I remind you of the fact that 7th July 2005 suicide bombs were commited by British Born Muslims! So guess who he was directing the message to? I guess Serbian born ethnic-Albanians in Kosovo & Metohija arn't able to understand the same message?

Beck028

you comment is laughable were it not for the thought that you genuenly belived it to be so. If this is he standard of education that is offered for ethnic-Albanians then it clarifys some of the inept accounts of history. Clearly historical education is not a forte!

I think you will find the Isrealites have a long historical foundation and association with the lands that form Isreal now. Bosnia was a medieval Kingdom, which relates to Hercegovina which relates to a state from a document sent to Friedrich III on January 20, 1448, Bosnian duke Stjepan Vukčić Kosača called himself Herzog (duke) of Saint Sava, lord of Hum and Primorje, great duke of the Bosnian kingdom (Herzog means duke in German) and so the lands he controlled became (much later) known as Herzog's lands or Herzegovina.

USA did not treat its citizens the way Serbia did - Maybe you would like to ask the last Mohican? UK - look at the history of the clearances. Just one or two points and if you did a little research you would find many more but, maybe you don't understand the word research if this is your account of history.

Princip by tryin to conect what Blair said with what is going on in Kosova it shows to me that you need a reality check! 95% of people that live in Kosova are Albanian; and all of them would exept anything BUT Serbian rule again in any form; I will let you come up with a formula that works; I suggest agree to their wish and have them as good neighbours instead.

Absolutly right Russia does work in its best interest. The problem the US and Athisarri have though, is that any solution that allows Russia to apply this to anywhere else it wishes will be vetoed by China who have been little considered by the US and have stated that it would not pass such a resolution.

Equally when the US open the pandora's box of self-determination where will that leave the Northern Portion of Kosovo & Metohija that would be welcome to apply the same standard. Denying the uniqueness of KiM solution creates all of the problems that the UN wanted to contain. Beyond Kosovo & Metohija Republika Srpska will immediately declare self determination. While we are at who else in Europe, Asia, Africa, N & S America.

What a solution - a UN of 1000 nations - I doubt it very much!!!

“The Kosovo Albanians’ strongest card is to call on a people’s right to self-determination, as given in the UN Charter. Whereas Belgrade insists on the respecting the international law. Such law depends on international relations and thus can be subject to change”, Đurđević concludes."

Self-determination unfortunately cuts both ways. The Serbs in North Kosovo will then claim the right to self-determination too ie. the right to decide to remain with Serbia. Srpska will claim the right to secede on that basis too. So will Taiwan, Kurdistan, North Cyprus, American Indians, Basque, Catalonians, Quebec, Aceh, Northern Ireland, etc etc. Soon the world will have over 1,000 nations.

I don't think serbs feom north will claim self-determination, because they can't go anywhere with it.
1000 nations? so be it. i don't see what's wrong with that.

lowe, princip

what you have to understand here we have borders and those borders have been there since the existence of albanians and serbians. in that reagion, not only to say serbians have made up their stance by making up their history to please their propaganda but also to belive in somthing that is not real. same as Karadic, Mladic , milosevic is serbian National Heroes, where every one in the world knows they are cowards and mass murders.
now that tells you a lot how your history is written, upon lies ,lies ,lies ,lies...im sure in a decade all the future generation are going to read is how brave these man were for fitghing the enemy, in reality fitghing women and children...
breath my friends, i mean real deep and you'll breath the reality on the ground in Kosova and that is a free country that is just now....
hope this time B92 posts my coments and the truth dosnt hurt to much of moderators feelings...
regards

"I don't think serbs feom north will claim self-determination, because they can't go anywhere with it.
1000 nations? so be it. i don't see what's wrong with that.
(fatos, 16 January 2007, 14:23)"

On the contrary, I think the Serbs in the north will be strongly tempted to do just that for obvious reasons: real fear of the Albanians and economic discrimination. Remaining part of Serbia will enable these Serbs to remain the ethnic majority. I always suspect that partition will ultimately happen, however much the West publicly loaths it.

Sure 1000 nations is fine if you can get used to the idea. We can start by breaking up the USA into 50 independent states. And throw in a few more for the black Americans, Hispanics and American Indians. I know very many countries won't be sorry to see that happen!

it´s important to keep kosovo on paper part of serbia.

defacto it won´t change much imediatly, but in the short run the "kosovars" will get poorer, the western occupiers will lose more money (becouse of overstretching their terror-forces all over the world) and will have have to think about all of their lost wars (balkan, irak, afghanistan).

kosovo can be liberated without force

http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2007/January_16/1.html >>>read this and you will find why russia is reluctant so with spain and greece. the more the merrier, that's how it will be. more chaotic??? maybe. remember with few countries in EU the constition was rejected.

Serbs of northern Kosova to be separated? As what? As an indipendent country or to join Serbia?
Who has an answer for that?

to ????:

1. kindly stop misquoting me

2. kindly refrain from saying that i seek to ethnically cleanse kosovo of albanians... or otherwise defaming me.

all my comments list legitimate political strategies serbia may pursue. some are obvious and some long shots. many of your allies on this site realize these comments for what they are and do not label them anti-albanian or racist. neither should you. it is only natural that i will argue these political points forcefully.

we should not be afraid of the comments of others, but rather be open to the vigorous exchange of competing ideas which help us understand the place of our peoples in the world and in this matter.

i find these forums very useful... especially when i exchange ideas (sometimes vigorously) with albanian people born and raised in kosovo who overwhelmingly only seek the best life they can get for themselves and their people.

cheers!

Creating a new country of "Kosovo" will open up a Pandora's box of problems for the Western world that is not worth the price. The West intervened to stop human rights violations against Albanians, not to support a violent secessionist movement by Albanians who are doing far worse to their Serb residents than was done to them. One Albanian state in Europe is enough!

Blag you seem like a reasonable person which rarely can be found in your side, please tell us here FOR WHAT YOU STAND FOR besides that you get paid for monitoring these comments.
I am all for exchanging ideas
I am sorry I haven’t read your previous comments
Please do proceed

The pain will never go away;
The wound will never heal.
The evil that was done to you
Is now your eyes, your heart.
The black will never turn to gray;
The blood will not congeal.
The violence is never through;
The past does not depart.

Time will merely make you whole,
Consuming what you are:
Part sufferer, part comforter,
Part victim, part new song;

Part mother of an angry soul,
Part child of despair,
Part witness and part conqueror
Of all that did you wrong.

RE: What is real

In 1982, the communist TITO purged over 400 Kosovoar Albanian leaders becuase they wanted republic status which they have never recieved, even in 1974 where only autonomous status was granted under the republic of Serbia.

We talk about how Milosevic was a war criminal protecting the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia and later Serbia-Montenegro, TITO is still considered a hero and the individual who gave the Albanian leaders wide ranging powers and drove the economy of Kosovo under the ground.

French-Canadians known as Quebecois have the right of secession from Canada but they have never garnered a majority vote in the province in favor of independence.Mexicans in Texas understand they would be much worse off if Texas was a part of Mexico.One look at Mexico's system and you would understand why.Of course it is hypocritical to say that Albanians have the right of self-determination but the other people do not and any European diplomat who claims this with a straight face is a liar.Serbia needs to develop its economy to such a high standard that when the EU pushes for Kosovo to become fully independent a few years in the future then Serbia will be in a position to support Republika Srpska's declaration of independence.There will not be any war following Kosovo's eventual status and there will not be any war following Republika Srbska's declaration either.The will to fight will be overshadowed by the will to make money.As far as a UN of 1000 nations I think it will be probably 100 more in addition to the present 192 which I might add were born out of blood in a majority of the cases.Everybody stay calm and give up the rhetoric of hate and violence regardless of status proposals and eventual outcome.The EU is the only one in a position to pour in the billions of euros that it will take to raise Kosovo to European standards and from what I have seen believe me it will be a LONG LONG process.

what double standards and what hypocrisy by the english.

Q: do the proponents of kosovo independence on this website support scotland's independence?

Q: can someone tell me if pristina supports scotland's independence?

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Blair warns against Scottish independence

LONDON (AFP) - Prime Minister Tony Blair has warned against any bid to break Britain apart, saying it would be "a crazy" step 300 years after Scotland and England united.

Read full story below:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070116/wl_uk_afp/britainpolitics_070116191050

Compromise between Beograd and Pristina = Victory for the people of Kosovo, Serbia, and Balkans

to blag and other serbs/you want to keep kosova in serbia? What for? Cultural heritage? oh oh § when have you been ,you serbs from serbia last time to see your cultural heraitage? Most of you have never put a feet in kosova and no nothing about how we lived there!
what do you want is still to have yours serbs in kosovo in danger? to have your army there ,because in fact you still hope that you will reconquest kosovo! how funny! for 1000 years of your efforts to get rid of the albanain ,you have just made one thing possible/you have just convinced the albanain to become stonger and stronger!
and believe me,compared to what you will have tomorrow,if you "keep" kosovo in serbia,the past years will look a tea party!
Do you know that their is a more nationalist group of albanain who say"let's be patient and stay some years more in serbia,then we could have presheva and much more,even convince sandjakli in serbia to join us in a large kosova!
and you know that you will not get rid of us for years,as you have not been for century!
we are patient,we can afford us to be patient because an albanian never turns serb!you will at the end lose much more tomorrow than today!
Remember just that :who whose able in western countries to say where is kosova before your actions?
Now every body knows,and every body knows you as a criminel nation!Great victory indeed for you ,isn't it and great defeat for us?!
No guy ,just the contrary!

If Serbia is REAL,it would mean Kosovo is integral part of Serbia...what is there to question?...now if you are not prepared to persue your principles it is you guilt and mistake...do not invent excuses: politicians are "dancers" to their own interests - the people, only the people decide, but, there we are...back again to education...

It is not up to Tony Blair nor any commentator on this site to decide for the Scottish people whether or not to declare independence.They will decide that for themselves very soon and I do not think the English will attack Scotland if a majority of Scottish people vote for independence.The relationship between the English and Scottish is a long and entangled one indeed.As an example, Sean Connery and his Scotland Forever tattoo on his arm with him being a leader in the Scottish independence movement, nonetheless accepted a KNIGHTHOOD from the Queen of ENGLAND.People in democratic societies(Quebec/Canada,Scotland/UK)do not talk of using force to preserve a union.And before anybody incites the Civil War in the US to prevent the South from seceding please try to remember that was in the 1860's and not 2007.Kosovo in 2007 must be viewed in the context of a European perspective and as such the EU is the only one in a position to keep both sides content or at least not so agitated that they resort to violence which is NOT going to promote their agenda in anybody's eyes.As the EU takes over I implore both sides to scream as loud as possible for more MONEY and more MONEY!!!!!!!!

Lili, what in all of God's name are you talking about? I couldn't understand a word of your broken-English at all. Is there an argument to your chest-thumping balcony-speech?

lili...

a few day ago, you were telling us, kosovo is named after "yogurt"... that alone, was strange enough not to mention that it was complete rubbish.
but with that agitation, "serbs are a criminal nation" you have just disqualifie yourself.
who will take you for serious now?

TO BLAG.I am a british rezident and live in Glasgow Scotland. I know well what Blair said. One thing for you to know.300 year union England with Scotland was voted by both their parlaments at the time, England did not invade Scotland the same as serbs did from 1878 to 1913 to the Albanian lands from presheva to ulqin tryin to create the great serbia. On the other side Albanians never wished to live in the same state with serbs same as Scots and English have done. in the paper today it said 57% of English want to let Scotland become independent. BUT the important thing that you should know is that if Scotish people vote for Scotland to become independent this may 2007 England will not stop them.Will serbs do the same with the Albanians? OH i forgot accordin to you we dont have a Choice Albanians are not allowed to vote.It is really sad if all the serbs would think like you!Hope they dont and look forwards instead of backwards like you do. Thanks

Russia is playing its game again. Nothing new!
Russia knows that Kosovo can be a good deal for something it needs from the West. Don't forget the treaty to get into the World Trade Org. after so many years.
To all Serbs who will read my comment: I still don't get it how you think Serbia will keep a nation by force against its will, especially after the war-after 10,000 Albanian civilians were killed by Serbia's military. Kosovo is gone for Serbia. It's over. Don't live with the past anymore-it's time to seek for a better future. Your country is one of the most isolated and the poorest in Europe. Think about building your lives and simply let Albanians alone. In fact, try to make peace with them and see if there is any cooperation in building both countries.
How about a small challenge for all you: apologize to all Albanians in this blog for what happened 8 years ago and ask them to make peace with them and see if there is something both of you could do to make Kosovo and Serbia a better place to live. You may be surprised by answers you will get.

konstantin gregovic: "In 1982, the communist TITO purged over 400 Kosovoar Albanian leaders becuase they wanted republic status ... "

Tito died in 1980. Those leaders were purged by the Serbian Communist Party, headed by Ivan Stambolic, who was the mentor of Slobodan Milosevic. Milosevic was of course the most evil, but the persecution of albanians started before him and continued after him with Kostunica who's just as ultra-nationalistic. Kostunica has knowledge of more than 1500 albanians that went missing during the war, they are either still in prison in Serbia, or were killed by the serbian forces or ended up in some factory as industrial fuel. In any case for withholding this information to their families, Kostunica is just as criminal as Milosevic.

Lili,

If you think Albanians will take over the whole Balkans, you better hope the Ottoman empire comes to help. I think your have been reading too many books written by Albanians again.

Dona,

since you live in Glasgow you will be very aware that the Scottish Nationalist Party will get at least 35% of the vote on current predictions. Making them the largest single party in the Scottish parliment. The fact that Blair uses his political position to hinder the independence of a Scottish nation that existed for many centuries before the union (of 1707) with England, has a clearly defined border for 300 years but, at the same time promotes the Independence of ethnic-Albanians within 15% of the state territory of Serbia. To create a state (Kosovo, Kosova or Dardania - what ever it might be called) that never existed ever in any historical log as a nation state, its ethnic-Albanians are Albanians so no national identity belong to a neighbouring state is a bit hypocritical to say the least don't you believe? That is why there will never be 2 Albania's!

I think it was this hypocrisy that Blag was illuminating to. That the so-called promoter of ethnic-Albanians in 99 in fact maybe re-thinking his stance given that such a stance only fuels division in the UK itself! Like Blair said recently to the ethnic minorities living in the UK "conform to it" - I think this is a message that was specifically aimed to the Muslims community. As I am sure you are aware of the 7th July 2005 Bombs were perpetarted by a group of British born muslims and currently there is a serious case in the courts of a further 6 failed suicide bombers of muslim background who attemped to cause a massacre on the 21st of July 2005. I don't think Blair or Brown (possible PM following Blair) would like to see Scotland seperate from the UK as they have said that it might cause even greater fragmentation and the term used is "Balkanisation".

I think my English is better than some here who claim to be from the UK.

I want to point out that Serbia was given Kosovo by the winning side because the Ottoman Empire was on the losing side as was Albania. Dona must be listening to the Albanian rhetoric in her conclusion that Kosovo was invaded by the Serbs. It was the Ottomans who invaded Serbia and fought the Serbs in the Battle for Kosovo.

If you would like your UK to be broken up, then let it be. But don't impose your standards on Serbia.

Blair was talking about imigrants not ethnic minorities when he said 'conform to it'. Albania and Albanians that live in Kosova ara making a compromise by not presin to unite "for the time being". So independent Kosova is the last compromise Albanians will make.As for Bair yes he wants to keep britain united but at least people here have a choise and nobody here is going to send tanks agains their wishes. Eric yes serbia was on the wining side but that does give them the right to get what dont belong to them! Serbs held Kosova put together for 250 years the turks for 450 years and if i was a outsider i would say the turks have a better claim to Kosova than serbs;And i suggest that if yous want peace in balkans you should ask the Albanians what they want; Nobody asked them in 1912 when Albanian state was createt when half its lands and people where left outside it present borders. And about the battle in 1389 there where just as many serbs fighting on the Turkish side as where fighting agains them along with Albanians Bosnians hungarians that serbs never mention.This is a fact; thanks.

Teuta, 17 January 2007, 07:18)
Milosevic is not a Criminal

Point taken, Stambolic was the head of the Serbian Communist Party, a rotating Presidency was put in place in Yugoslavia which included the republics of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro and Bosnia. You notice Vojvodina or Kosovo did not have a rotating seat in the presidency, they were constituent to Serbia.

Milosevic was not convicted in the former Yugoslava and not at the Hague Tribunal , even in Absentia. Milosevic is no more a war criminal than Hacim Thaci, Agim Ceku, Adam Jesheri, Haradnai....

Rugova in fairness started a peaceful seperation campaign and even Milosevic gave him full respect by protecting him during the NATO bombing from the KLA and UCK who wanted to execute him.

Princip

"(Kosovo, Kosova or Dardania - what ever it might be called)at the same time promotes the Independence of ethnic-Albanians within 15% of the state territory of Serbia"

One thing you (serbs) allways forget when you make these kind of comparisons is that none of these countries you mention (U.K, USA, Spain etc.) didn't treat their citizens the way Serbia treated albanians.
Just like Polt said "Kosovo issue has become one of a kind".


"that never existed ever in any historical log as a nation state"

Neither did Israel nor BIH.

Dona - Blair was very specific and I think you know for instance there have been 600,000 immigrants from Poland and has been anything but positive about the benefir of immigration to the UK economy. I think you know Blair was being a great deal more specific or need I remind you of the fact that 7th July 2005 suicide bombs were commited by British Born Muslims! So guess who he was directing the message to? I guess Serbian born ethnic-Albanians in Kosovo & Metohija arn't able to understand the same message?

Beck028

you comment is laughable were it not for the thought that you genuenly belived it to be so. If this is he standard of education that is offered for ethnic-Albanians then it clarifys some of the inept accounts of history. Clearly historical education is not a forte!

I think you will find the Isrealites have a long historical foundation and association with the lands that form Isreal now. Bosnia was a medieval Kingdom, which relates to Hercegovina which relates to a state from a document sent to Friedrich III on January 20, 1448, Bosnian duke Stjepan Vukčić Kosača called himself Herzog (duke) of Saint Sava, lord of Hum and Primorje, great duke of the Bosnian kingdom (Herzog means duke in German) and so the lands he controlled became (much later) known as Herzog's lands or Herzegovina.

USA did not treat its citizens the way Serbia did - Maybe you would like to ask the last Mohican? UK - look at the history of the clearances. Just one or two points and if you did a little research you would find many more but, maybe you don't understand the word research if this is your account of history.

Princip by tryin to conect what Blair said with what is going on in Kosova it shows to me that you need a reality check! 95% of people that live in Kosova are Albanian; and all of them would exept anything BUT Serbian rule again in any form; I will let you come up with a formula that works; I suggest agree to their wish and have them as good neighbours instead.