Kosovo status proposal timing

The best thing Serbian politicians can do is to stop with propaganda and tell their citizens that it is impossible for Serbia to control Kosovo if they want to be a democratic state. I understand that they are doing this because of the elections but even though it is very hard for me to see the benefits of anti- Albanian hate speech promoted by high ranked Serbian politicians.

Why do we have to do anything? If Kosovo is NOT Serbian why are you asking of us to give it up and "accept reality"? What does it matter to you what the Serbs think? You do what you have to do and we do not have to play with you. Lets see what is left of international law once a chunk of territory is taken away from the democratic country - by force and ethnic cleansing of 200 000 Serbs from Kosovo.
Bottom line we do not need to do anything to make it easier for you to get what you want.
So - NO!


BTW just as you claim that Milosevic lost right to Kosovo in 1999, so did Albanians after NATO troops went in and in march of 2004. So we are at the same spot. As for revenge attacks - how far back in history do you want to go?

Hey NAMCOR compering what Miloshevic did to Albanians during his era and March riots on 2004 is way out of line, and as far as going back to history who did what to who is very easy. but for you it will be hard to cimprehand because you read the same history that you wrotte yourself.

Almost every family in Serbia lost someone in Kosovo. My godfather had 4 of his brothers killed by balists in wwII. And Namcor is right - ethnic cleansing of 2/3 of Serbian population from Kosovo (systematically done) killing 2000 (systematically done) that started in June 1999 and continues even today is EQUAL to what Milosevic did , when you compare numbers to total population of Serbs or Albanians. Who and why destroyed 160 Serbian churches in Kosovo including Bogorodica Ljevska and Devic monastery? Who and why destroyed our graveyards. Remind me again why is Haradinaj charged by ICTY? Not because of his cuteness that is for sure!

Namcor, first of all you can't compare the crimes of Milloseviç to those of March 2004 due to the simple sheer scale of things. All innocent deaths are horrible, but the Serbs committed tens of thousands more. Second, in march 2004 there were more Albanian deaths than Serbian deaths. Again all regrettable but don't try to make it look like both sides have committed the same amount of attrocity. There is just no comparison.

hey AC,

why don't you give us a valid source of the "tens of thousands of killed Albanians". And I mean any a international objective source.
Until then, you Albanians keep crying of having been molested by the Serbian authorities for decades, even though Serbs gave you such a broad autonomy.
March 2004 showed what kind of democratic state would Kosovo-Metohija be, were discrimination and the apartheid imposed on Serbs exceeded even Hitler.

If I kill two people, and someone else kills one, then I am twice as bad as the other person. What if the one that I killed was fat so he weighed the same as the other 2. Maybe we should measure it by live weight. Or maybe by the importance of the people that were killed. So for example it would be less of a crime to kill a strret bum than a hard working man. Now we have a problem, how to measure who killed more. I hope you can recognize sarcasm in these words.

Cvijus,
what are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Milosevic and his annihilation of Kosmet autonomy, wich had been the first step of the Balkn wars in the last 16 years?

Massimo, as I remember, the Yugoslav Constitution '74 allowed Serbia to suspend the autonomy out of reasons of public safety. Now, we all remember how the Albanian police and mobs behaved ever since '81, and especially the Martinovic case. I also remember WWII stories with greater Albania and Albanian chauvinism, as well as the (in)famous SS Skanderbeg division.

Cvijus,
I am quite sure that you do not consider the Yugoslav Constitution of 1974 a democratic one since it is the Constituition of a totalitarian regime.
That said we cannot justify the Milosevic politics towards the Kosovar population by citing the WWII and the SS Skanderbeg Albanian division.

Massimo, under the same totalitarian regime the Albanians from Kosovo have got their independence, for which you are crying of being stolen. So make up your mind.

Its funny to hear Serbs complaining about being persecuted.
History is funny!!!!

Hermon, even funnier to hear Albanians to pretend being angels and poor buggers that everybody was bullying them without having done anything. Get real.

Cvijus,
never heard that tito granted independence to Kosovo.Thanks for the revelation. That means, Serbia occupied an independent country in 1989

Civijus,
I think you you should get real and finally understand that what was given to you unfairly from Mama-Russia, its time to give it back.

Does anybody here have a problem with Kosovo being a EU protectorate for the next 50 years?The euro as the offical currency-English as the official language in adddition to Albanian and Serbian-EU,Serbian or Albanian passports to be chosen by each individual based on personal preference-All property privatized seeing as how capital seeks the highest rate of return regardless of a regions ethnic composition and third party policing(in other words non-Serb or Albanian officers having power of investigation and arrest)I propose this as the best plan for the FUTURE for those of us who are not interested in harking to the past and who did what and when to who's goat.

Keep up the comments Cvijus. Roll on 2007 - looks like the principled Serbian stance is rattling the ethnic Albanians more and more each day as they realise they have been sold down the river by the US. Looks more like it each day that there will never be 2 Albania's so do as you wish but the reality is that Serbia has made it's principled stance clear and Russia will veto unless it can be allowed to be applied to their own advantage for Abkhasia, TransDneister and South Ossetia but if this was applicable and Kosovo & Metohija was a precedent setting solution then China would veto! So realise the reality and accept the best solution and one that can be win-win and start to accept your ethnic Albanian Status in Serbia and work with Serbia to make it better for all the people of Serbia.

genc, read some history, Tito gave autonomy, not independence, there's a difference.
Hemon, ok, we'll give it back to the Ottoman Empire. Don't forget, it was not only Russia that gave us Kosmet, more or less entire Europe :P

Cvijus: " Yugoslav Constitution '74 allowed Serbia to suspend the autonomy out of reasons of public safety."
Albanians want independence for the same reasons " Public Safety for Albanians"
As far as the number of 200000 serbs that left Kosova it is just too round of a number to play with, in reality it is way off the mark.

Even if Kosovo do not get independence the Serbs will never rule Kosovo again. That’s what international community has decided.

Cheers Princip.
Albion, was Djordje Martinovic also a matter of public safety? Or maybe the progrom of Serbs ever since '81? Were all these facts matters of Albanian public safety, or maybe of Albanian chauvinism?
As for the number of the Serbian refugees, that number is not as round as the number of dead Albanians. And as an irony, now the Albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija has increased!!!

The 1974 constitution gave Kosovo broad autonomy with quasi republican rights. The republican status was not awarded simply due to Serbian nationalism and the repercussions it could have on Yugoslavia.

There are several differences between the 1999 expulsion of Albanians from Kosovo and the post-war expulsion of Serbs, some of which are:

1) Sheer scale (as mentioned by AC),

2) State sponsored terrorism and murder (it was the Serb state that expelled us, while there were some individual Albanians that may have intimidated the Serbs to leave Kosovo after the war), for those of you that don’t know, there is a huge difference (legally) between the terrorist actions of a state and those of certain individuals.

3) Most Albanian families were expelled forcibly from their homes by Serbian army and police units, while most Serbs after the war left due to “fear of retribution” and perhaps that fear of retribution derives from the fact that most Serb families had at least one man serving in the MUP forces, this is an undeniable matter of fact.

4) While the Albanians left because they were forced to, a good percentage of Serbs also left due to unfavorable economical conditions. Before the war they were privileged in all areas of life, so its only natural that they should leave due to those privileges being removed.

In conclusion, the Kosovo Albanians will not accept anything less than independence, and by that I mean absolutely nothing. It was one term “Republic” that caused us this much pain and suffering. Had that term been included in the 74 constitution we would not be talking to you right now and would be on our way to joining the European Union.

Therefore our answer is NO. Independence and nothing else.

Cvijus,
read your own words: "Massimo, under the same totalitarian regime the Albanians from Kosovo have got their independence". You were referring to the same totalitarin regime of 1974, isn't it?

???? said: "even if there is no independence, serbs will never rule again"

you are right and wrong at the same time. they ( serbian authorities ) won´t interfere in the daily life of the albanians in kosovo. that´s why the will get a broad autonomy, european standards etc.
at the same time, some questions of regional (serbian and albanian) importance they will decide together with the albanians. that will be the result of a broad autonomy within the serbian state.

I still don´t get, what there is a problem about broad autonomy, unless some of those commenting here are just hiding their greater-albania-ideology behind cruel stories of the Milosevic-Serbia...

so, ????, you´re not wrong if you say that albanians in kosovo will rule themselves.
but there won´t be independence.
I think it´s the best solution possible at the moment.

The best thing Serbian politicians can do is to stop with propaganda and tell their citizens that it is impossible for Serbia to control Kosovo if they want to be a democratic state. I understand that they are doing this because of the elections but even though it is very hard for me to see the benefits of anti- Albanian hate speech promoted by high ranked Serbian politicians.

Why do we have to do anything? If Kosovo is NOT Serbian why are you asking of us to give it up and "accept reality"? What does it matter to you what the Serbs think? You do what you have to do and we do not have to play with you. Lets see what is left of international law once a chunk of territory is taken away from the democratic country - by force and ethnic cleansing of 200 000 Serbs from Kosovo.
Bottom line we do not need to do anything to make it easier for you to get what you want.
So - NO!


BTW just as you claim that Milosevic lost right to Kosovo in 1999, so did Albanians after NATO troops went in and in march of 2004. So we are at the same spot. As for revenge attacks - how far back in history do you want to go?

Hey NAMCOR compering what Miloshevic did to Albanians during his era and March riots on 2004 is way out of line, and as far as going back to history who did what to who is very easy. but for you it will be hard to cimprehand because you read the same history that you wrotte yourself.

Almost every family in Serbia lost someone in Kosovo. My godfather had 4 of his brothers killed by balists in wwII. And Namcor is right - ethnic cleansing of 2/3 of Serbian population from Kosovo (systematically done) killing 2000 (systematically done) that started in June 1999 and continues even today is EQUAL to what Milosevic did , when you compare numbers to total population of Serbs or Albanians. Who and why destroyed 160 Serbian churches in Kosovo including Bogorodica Ljevska and Devic monastery? Who and why destroyed our graveyards. Remind me again why is Haradinaj charged by ICTY? Not because of his cuteness that is for sure!

Namcor, first of all you can't compare the crimes of Milloseviç to those of March 2004 due to the simple sheer scale of things. All innocent deaths are horrible, but the Serbs committed tens of thousands more. Second, in march 2004 there were more Albanian deaths than Serbian deaths. Again all regrettable but don't try to make it look like both sides have committed the same amount of attrocity. There is just no comparison.

hey AC,

why don't you give us a valid source of the "tens of thousands of killed Albanians". And I mean any a international objective source.
Until then, you Albanians keep crying of having been molested by the Serbian authorities for decades, even though Serbs gave you such a broad autonomy.
March 2004 showed what kind of democratic state would Kosovo-Metohija be, were discrimination and the apartheid imposed on Serbs exceeded even Hitler.

If I kill two people, and someone else kills one, then I am twice as bad as the other person. What if the one that I killed was fat so he weighed the same as the other 2. Maybe we should measure it by live weight. Or maybe by the importance of the people that were killed. So for example it would be less of a crime to kill a strret bum than a hard working man. Now we have a problem, how to measure who killed more. I hope you can recognize sarcasm in these words.

Cvijus,
what are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Milosevic and his annihilation of Kosmet autonomy, wich had been the first step of the Balkn wars in the last 16 years?

Massimo, as I remember, the Yugoslav Constitution '74 allowed Serbia to suspend the autonomy out of reasons of public safety. Now, we all remember how the Albanian police and mobs behaved ever since '81, and especially the Martinovic case. I also remember WWII stories with greater Albania and Albanian chauvinism, as well as the (in)famous SS Skanderbeg division.

Cvijus,
I am quite sure that you do not consider the Yugoslav Constitution of 1974 a democratic one since it is the Constituition of a totalitarian regime.
That said we cannot justify the Milosevic politics towards the Kosovar population by citing the WWII and the SS Skanderbeg Albanian division.

Massimo, under the same totalitarian regime the Albanians from Kosovo have got their independence, for which you are crying of being stolen. So make up your mind.

Its funny to hear Serbs complaining about being persecuted.
History is funny!!!!

Hermon, even funnier to hear Albanians to pretend being angels and poor buggers that everybody was bullying them without having done anything. Get real.

Cvijus,
never heard that tito granted independence to Kosovo.Thanks for the revelation. That means, Serbia occupied an independent country in 1989

Civijus,
I think you you should get real and finally understand that what was given to you unfairly from Mama-Russia, its time to give it back.

Does anybody here have a problem with Kosovo being a EU protectorate for the next 50 years?The euro as the offical currency-English as the official language in adddition to Albanian and Serbian-EU,Serbian or Albanian passports to be chosen by each individual based on personal preference-All property privatized seeing as how capital seeks the highest rate of return regardless of a regions ethnic composition and third party policing(in other words non-Serb or Albanian officers having power of investigation and arrest)I propose this as the best plan for the FUTURE for those of us who are not interested in harking to the past and who did what and when to who's goat.

Keep up the comments Cvijus. Roll on 2007 - looks like the principled Serbian stance is rattling the ethnic Albanians more and more each day as they realise they have been sold down the river by the US. Looks more like it each day that there will never be 2 Albania's so do as you wish but the reality is that Serbia has made it's principled stance clear and Russia will veto unless it can be allowed to be applied to their own advantage for Abkhasia, TransDneister and South Ossetia but if this was applicable and Kosovo & Metohija was a precedent setting solution then China would veto! So realise the reality and accept the best solution and one that can be win-win and start to accept your ethnic Albanian Status in Serbia and work with Serbia to make it better for all the people of Serbia.

genc, read some history, Tito gave autonomy, not independence, there's a difference.
Hemon, ok, we'll give it back to the Ottoman Empire. Don't forget, it was not only Russia that gave us Kosmet, more or less entire Europe :P

Cvijus: " Yugoslav Constitution '74 allowed Serbia to suspend the autonomy out of reasons of public safety."
Albanians want independence for the same reasons " Public Safety for Albanians"
As far as the number of 200000 serbs that left Kosova it is just too round of a number to play with, in reality it is way off the mark.

Even if Kosovo do not get independence the Serbs will never rule Kosovo again. That’s what international community has decided.

Cheers Princip.
Albion, was Djordje Martinovic also a matter of public safety? Or maybe the progrom of Serbs ever since '81? Were all these facts matters of Albanian public safety, or maybe of Albanian chauvinism?
As for the number of the Serbian refugees, that number is not as round as the number of dead Albanians. And as an irony, now the Albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija has increased!!!

The 1974 constitution gave Kosovo broad autonomy with quasi republican rights. The republican status was not awarded simply due to Serbian nationalism and the repercussions it could have on Yugoslavia.

There are several differences between the 1999 expulsion of Albanians from Kosovo and the post-war expulsion of Serbs, some of which are:

1) Sheer scale (as mentioned by AC),

2) State sponsored terrorism and murder (it was the Serb state that expelled us, while there were some individual Albanians that may have intimidated the Serbs to leave Kosovo after the war), for those of you that don’t know, there is a huge difference (legally) between the terrorist actions of a state and those of certain individuals.

3) Most Albanian families were expelled forcibly from their homes by Serbian army and police units, while most Serbs after the war left due to “fear of retribution” and perhaps that fear of retribution derives from the fact that most Serb families had at least one man serving in the MUP forces, this is an undeniable matter of fact.

4) While the Albanians left because they were forced to, a good percentage of Serbs also left due to unfavorable economical conditions. Before the war they were privileged in all areas of life, so its only natural that they should leave due to those privileges being removed.

In conclusion, the Kosovo Albanians will not accept anything less than independence, and by that I mean absolutely nothing. It was one term “Republic” that caused us this much pain and suffering. Had that term been included in the 74 constitution we would not be talking to you right now and would be on our way to joining the European Union.

Therefore our answer is NO. Independence and nothing else.

Cvijus,
read your own words: "Massimo, under the same totalitarian regime the Albanians from Kosovo have got their independence". You were referring to the same totalitarin regime of 1974, isn't it?

???? said: "even if there is no independence, serbs will never rule again"

you are right and wrong at the same time. they ( serbian authorities ) won´t interfere in the daily life of the albanians in kosovo. that´s why the will get a broad autonomy, european standards etc.
at the same time, some questions of regional (serbian and albanian) importance they will decide together with the albanians. that will be the result of a broad autonomy within the serbian state.

I still don´t get, what there is a problem about broad autonomy, unless some of those commenting here are just hiding their greater-albania-ideology behind cruel stories of the Milosevic-Serbia...

so, ????, you´re not wrong if you say that albanians in kosovo will rule themselves.
but there won´t be independence.
I think it´s the best solution possible at the moment.