To all of you that are dreaming for one more serb occupation of Kosova!
If you move to Kosova again count that you have to deal with an very fast rising army,well armed,young and wery well motivated,circumstances much better for weapon supplyings b/c we do not have to march through mountains and ambushes,we will get them from all 4 world sides even from serbia itself b/c you can bye everything for money, By the way the milosevics mashinery needed not a single month to totally occup. kosova but it did it for period from 1989 to 1999 (10 years) and it culdn't do it completely,one more beter condition is that now we are not surrounded with serb forces as we where,we can evacuate our families in safety within 1-2 hours and get back to fight.
femi, i also do not wish to see additional awars. but your comment is laughable. as brave as these guys are they had the greatest military the world has ever known bombing on their behalf.
if anyone is heroic its serbs who stoof up to the greatest military the world has ever known (knowing it could not win... but doing so out of principle) and caused it so much trouble that it had to bomb civilians in order to get serbs to the table. this great military machine never really won as was witnessed by the low serb military casualties, the big weapons pullout, a few planes, and 13 old bobmed out tanks left in the countryside.
no one has ever stood up to such a massive military with greater bravery while its civilians ridiculed that same military from the streets with target signs pasted to its heads
and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
I agree. That might happen in the early stages of Kosovo independence, but in the long run, it will be a fullblown Balkan State.
"No one is expecting a Ballkan Swiss within a few years!"
"Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again"
I have to agree with Sidi and his sympathetic comments made about Kosovar willingness to fight to the death for Kosova.
Albanian Heroism has always fascinated many scholars involve studding Balkan history, and the 1998-99, against the Serb army was one of the latest examples.
Kosovars were facing here the inherited Yugoslavian Military machine which to certain extend was superior not only to the Albanian Kosovars but also to the whole region.
The Young soldieries of the Kosova Liberation Army especially those based in North Western Kosova, in Koshare, fought against Serbs with an unprecedented bravery.
Due to the Yugoslav heavy machinery involvement it looked to many including myself as suicidal for these young Kosovar soldiers, poring into the front lines with only the basics of military training, and armed with hundreds of bullets and an AK47, as the only weapon that they had.
Almost all of them lacked the body armour and other protections.
Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again.
I will hope however such battles Europe will not witness again.
Oliver, if you think that Milosevic wanted to cleanse Albanians out of Kosovo or any non-Serbs out of any part of the former Yugoslavia then you obviously are merely regurgitating propaganda and not doing any real research. That statement of yours is completely bogus and comes only from either being misinformed or from your own bias. It was the Kosovo Albanians who wanted ethnic cleansing, which they have now achieved with the help of the West.
Daniel Serwer has tranformed the USIP in a - US taxpayer funded - institute for war mongering. In all his comments the world is divided in good and bad guys, with in between a few misguided guys who still have to see the light. Weighing and balancing of the interests of the parties involved seems absolutely impossible for him.
A classic quote from planet Zoltar and its fearless propaganda Minister Sidi... and I quote. "That just goes to show that we are ready to fight to the death for independence! We will never agree to live under Serbia as long as we are alive. And there are two million of us in Kosovo. No negotiations ." Let's just play with this quote for a moment...if you are willing to fight to the death, Serbs and Serbia obliged this very desire, and we went after your terrorist organization and all those supporting this illegal organization. HMMM... current examples: US hunting of the Taliban Regime and/or Osama's henchmen, or Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah. Unfortunately, you ran to NATO, Albania proper and Macedonia, leaving your population to receive the brunt of the hammer. If you are as a nation prepared for death why the whining and hysterical crying on International TV. Really, this doesn't demonstrate a committeemen to this bravado statement. This shortsighted statement underestimates the opposing force, Serbia and it's commitments to Kosovo and it's Serbian population. Albanians have demonstrated a Irresistible Force approach to this matter...Serbia as the Immovable Object.....
Surely, we cannot doom our two communities again to this fate of violence....I cannot believe that Albanian mothers wish to see their sons and daughters slaughtered for a cause which easily could be negotiated with some good will... All of our children are precious, and they hold the keys to the future. Let's provide hope, peace, and above all LOVE, for that is the ultimate gift we as parents can provide.
Oliver.
"I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it."
At this point, i think the Serbs are negotiating with whatever they can get, which is i'm assuming at least control over Serbian enclaves and monuments..
But yes, you're correct, why would a Serb, Hungarian, or Romanian from Vojvodina (for example), want to dish out their hard earned tax dollars to a welfare state of 1.8 million?? I certainly wouldn't want to..
As far as the article is concerned, can somebody clarify to me, HOW MUCH direct dialogue is there between both sides..
oliver: i am very much grounded in reality. you need to read the headlines a bit more - not me. this is realpolitik. this is what i want:
if kosovo is to get indep, then i want republika srpska to also get it (no one way streets... or indep for everyone except serbs b/c that is BULL).
if kosovo gets indep it needs to happen legally, not at the barrel of a gun or b/c a superpower 4,500 miles away says so b/c they want to extract themselves from a problem that they themselves created (b/c that is BULL)
if kosovo is to get indep it needs to prove that it will provide human rights to k serbs (who presently lack them while they live in apartheid-like ghettos reminiscent of south africa.. except they are worse)... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then it needs to prove that refugees can return to their homes without threat to life... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then i want assurances it will not export violent revolution to macedonia, serbia, and montenegro in the hopes of some greater albania that it can't defend itself nor provide for... b/c that is BULL.
the russian response is to the american "super-power out of control" mentality that washington dc stuffed down everyone's throats for 15 years. those days are over and they made the world a much more dangerous place.
It seems Realpolitik is coming out over one group's effort at self-determination. It's not surprising the most vocal EU members against Kosovo independence is Greece, Spain (Catalonia and Basque Country), Italy (Sardinia and even possibly Sicily) and Romania (Transylvania). Along with Russia (Chechnya) and China (Taiwan), which doesn't seem to care what Washington says anymore, the international playing field has gotten much more difficult - and crowded - since 1999. I think the US wants a quick solution simply so they can get out of the Balkans and redirect troops to the Middle East. Bottom line, the Kosovo issue is more than Albanian self-determination and Serbian historical pride. It's about granting sovereignty to a contested region of a country, and whether or not it will set a precedent for other troubled, or potentially troubled spots, around the globe. If Kosovo is granted some form of sovereignty, and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
4 months ago on this site (aug 15), this same man said: "Kosovo is already independent."
all along the kostunica govt called this a bluff (while westerners, the editors of this site, and other political players in serbia basically called him a "fool."
in a serious about face... the only people now needing to save face are western govts and their mothpieces (the ICG, holbrooke, serwer, burns, atasahari, et al). these guys promised what they could not deliver. This is really an embarrassing "back pedal."
the kostunica govt has done a fantastic job. it has a strategy and tactics to follow thru... .while the western plan was based on: bluff, bullying, and emotional appeal. anyone with an ounce of analysis could see it was a weak position. And now they have boxed themselves into a corner with only unilateral recognition of independence as an option (something that will mean certain partition, economic blockade, and the wholesale loss of potential investors).
the era of "out-of-control superpower" is ending (witness the weakness in iraq, kosovo, iran, south korea, latin america) as it presides over a divided government. it does not have the ability to unilaterally do anything and now must return to multi-lateralism (only after a period where their feet will rightfully be held to the fire). these are simply sophmoric mistakes.
the fact then and now still remains: there is no legal mechanism for transferring the province.
back to the negotiating table. i certainly hope that does not lead to an implosion within kosovo... but I think we will begin witnessing internecine violence in and around the province. the writers of the ICG report must have been very humbled (frankly, it couldn't have happened to nicer guys... after their incessant anti-serb chauvanism). They are the architects of this mess. They promised these people something they could not deliver, egged them on.... and now these people will pay for their mistakes while they sit in their diplomatic offices in london, brussels, washington, and new york and practice the subtler forms of joint criminal enterprises.
I have respect for all analysts, including Serwer, but Kosovo status is a very dynamic issue, and I guess he has forgot to update his knowledge for some weeks.
“Rome, 17 Nov. (AKI) - Italy's foreign minister Massimo D'Alema has said he supports in broad terms the solution that is being proposed for the final status of Serbia's breakaway Kosovo province. Speaking after a meeting in Rome with chief UN negotiator for Kosovo, Martti Ahtisaari, D'Alema said that dialogue was in general terms "heading towards a form of INDEPENDENCE with some limitations and with international guarantees." Eight rounds of UN-brokered talks on Kosovo yielded no results and Ahtisaari is expected to make a status proposal to the Security Council in the end of January.”
Italy supports an independent Kosovo, while Spain has not decided yet. But I do not think Spain cares about the Balkans.
blag you are dreaming I think. You do not see the world the way it is, but the way you want it to be.
When it comes to Russia, the west agrees that Russia is becoming more dictatorial for every day that passes. Do you think the West will let such a country decide Kosovo’s democratic future.
I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it.
I have respect for all analysts, including Serwer, but Kosovo status is a very dynamic issue, and I guess he has forgot to update his knowledge for some weeks.
“Rome, 17 Nov. (AKI) - Italy's foreign minister Massimo D'Alema has said he supports in broad terms the solution that is being proposed for the final status of Serbia's breakaway Kosovo province. Speaking after a meeting in Rome with chief UN negotiator for Kosovo, Martti Ahtisaari, D'Alema said that dialogue was in general terms "heading towards a form of INDEPENDENCE with some limitations and with international guarantees." Eight rounds of UN-brokered talks on Kosovo yielded no results and Ahtisaari is expected to make a status proposal to the Security Council in the end of January.”
Italy supports an independent Kosovo, while Spain has not decided yet. But I do not think Spain cares about the Balkans.
4 months ago on this site (aug 15), this same man said: "Kosovo is already independent."
all along the kostunica govt called this a bluff (while westerners, the editors of this site, and other political players in serbia basically called him a "fool."
in a serious about face... the only people now needing to save face are western govts and their mothpieces (the ICG, holbrooke, serwer, burns, atasahari, et al). these guys promised what they could not deliver. This is really an embarrassing "back pedal."
the kostunica govt has done a fantastic job. it has a strategy and tactics to follow thru... .while the western plan was based on: bluff, bullying, and emotional appeal. anyone with an ounce of analysis could see it was a weak position. And now they have boxed themselves into a corner with only unilateral recognition of independence as an option (something that will mean certain partition, economic blockade, and the wholesale loss of potential investors).
the era of "out-of-control superpower" is ending (witness the weakness in iraq, kosovo, iran, south korea, latin america) as it presides over a divided government. it does not have the ability to unilaterally do anything and now must return to multi-lateralism (only after a period where their feet will rightfully be held to the fire). these are simply sophmoric mistakes.
the fact then and now still remains: there is no legal mechanism for transferring the province.
back to the negotiating table. i certainly hope that does not lead to an implosion within kosovo... but I think we will begin witnessing internecine violence in and around the province. the writers of the ICG report must have been very humbled (frankly, it couldn't have happened to nicer guys... after their incessant anti-serb chauvanism). They are the architects of this mess. They promised these people something they could not deliver, egged them on.... and now these people will pay for their mistakes while they sit in their diplomatic offices in london, brussels, washington, and new york and practice the subtler forms of joint criminal enterprises.
blag you are dreaming I think. You do not see the world the way it is, but the way you want it to be.
When it comes to Russia, the west agrees that Russia is becoming more dictatorial for every day that passes. Do you think the West will let such a country decide Kosovo’s democratic future.
I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it.
It seems Realpolitik is coming out over one group's effort at self-determination. It's not surprising the most vocal EU members against Kosovo independence is Greece, Spain (Catalonia and Basque Country), Italy (Sardinia and even possibly Sicily) and Romania (Transylvania). Along with Russia (Chechnya) and China (Taiwan), which doesn't seem to care what Washington says anymore, the international playing field has gotten much more difficult - and crowded - since 1999. I think the US wants a quick solution simply so they can get out of the Balkans and redirect troops to the Middle East. Bottom line, the Kosovo issue is more than Albanian self-determination and Serbian historical pride. It's about granting sovereignty to a contested region of a country, and whether or not it will set a precedent for other troubled, or potentially troubled spots, around the globe. If Kosovo is granted some form of sovereignty, and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
oliver: i am very much grounded in reality. you need to read the headlines a bit more - not me. this is realpolitik. this is what i want:
if kosovo is to get indep, then i want republika srpska to also get it (no one way streets... or indep for everyone except serbs b/c that is BULL).
if kosovo gets indep it needs to happen legally, not at the barrel of a gun or b/c a superpower 4,500 miles away says so b/c they want to extract themselves from a problem that they themselves created (b/c that is BULL)
if kosovo is to get indep it needs to prove that it will provide human rights to k serbs (who presently lack them while they live in apartheid-like ghettos reminiscent of south africa.. except they are worse)... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then it needs to prove that refugees can return to their homes without threat to life... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then i want assurances it will not export violent revolution to macedonia, serbia, and montenegro in the hopes of some greater albania that it can't defend itself nor provide for... b/c that is BULL.
the russian response is to the american "super-power out of control" mentality that washington dc stuffed down everyone's throats for 15 years. those days are over and they made the world a much more dangerous place.
Oliver.
"I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it."
At this point, i think the Serbs are negotiating with whatever they can get, which is i'm assuming at least control over Serbian enclaves and monuments..
But yes, you're correct, why would a Serb, Hungarian, or Romanian from Vojvodina (for example), want to dish out their hard earned tax dollars to a welfare state of 1.8 million?? I certainly wouldn't want to..
As far as the article is concerned, can somebody clarify to me, HOW MUCH direct dialogue is there between both sides..
A classic quote from planet Zoltar and its fearless propaganda Minister Sidi... and I quote. "That just goes to show that we are ready to fight to the death for independence! We will never agree to live under Serbia as long as we are alive. And there are two million of us in Kosovo. No negotiations ." Let's just play with this quote for a moment...if you are willing to fight to the death, Serbs and Serbia obliged this very desire, and we went after your terrorist organization and all those supporting this illegal organization. HMMM... current examples: US hunting of the Taliban Regime and/or Osama's henchmen, or Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah. Unfortunately, you ran to NATO, Albania proper and Macedonia, leaving your population to receive the brunt of the hammer. If you are as a nation prepared for death why the whining and hysterical crying on International TV. Really, this doesn't demonstrate a committeemen to this bravado statement. This shortsighted statement underestimates the opposing force, Serbia and it's commitments to Kosovo and it's Serbian population. Albanians have demonstrated a Irresistible Force approach to this matter...Serbia as the Immovable Object.....
Surely, we cannot doom our two communities again to this fate of violence....I cannot believe that Albanian mothers wish to see their sons and daughters slaughtered for a cause which easily could be negotiated with some good will... All of our children are precious, and they hold the keys to the future. Let's provide hope, peace, and above all LOVE, for that is the ultimate gift we as parents can provide.
Daniel Serwer has tranformed the USIP in a - US taxpayer funded - institute for war mongering. In all his comments the world is divided in good and bad guys, with in between a few misguided guys who still have to see the light. Weighing and balancing of the interests of the parties involved seems absolutely impossible for him.
Oliver, if you think that Milosevic wanted to cleanse Albanians out of Kosovo or any non-Serbs out of any part of the former Yugoslavia then you obviously are merely regurgitating propaganda and not doing any real research. That statement of yours is completely bogus and comes only from either being misinformed or from your own bias. It was the Kosovo Albanians who wanted ethnic cleansing, which they have now achieved with the help of the West.
I have to agree with Sidi and his sympathetic comments made about Kosovar willingness to fight to the death for Kosova.
Albanian Heroism has always fascinated many scholars involve studding Balkan history, and the 1998-99, against the Serb army was one of the latest examples.
Kosovars were facing here the inherited Yugoslavian Military machine which to certain extend was superior not only to the Albanian Kosovars but also to the whole region.
The Young soldieries of the Kosova Liberation Army especially those based in North Western Kosova, in Koshare, fought against Serbs with an unprecedented bravery.
Due to the Yugoslav heavy machinery involvement it looked to many including myself as suicidal for these young Kosovar soldiers, poring into the front lines with only the basics of military training, and armed with hundreds of bullets and an AK47, as the only weapon that they had.
Almost all of them lacked the body armour and other protections.
Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again.
I will hope however such battles Europe will not witness again.
"Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again"
and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
I agree. That might happen in the early stages of Kosovo independence, but in the long run, it will be a fullblown Balkan State.
"No one is expecting a Ballkan Swiss within a few years!"
femi, i also do not wish to see additional awars. but your comment is laughable. as brave as these guys are they had the greatest military the world has ever known bombing on their behalf.
if anyone is heroic its serbs who stoof up to the greatest military the world has ever known (knowing it could not win... but doing so out of principle) and caused it so much trouble that it had to bomb civilians in order to get serbs to the table. this great military machine never really won as was witnessed by the low serb military casualties, the big weapons pullout, a few planes, and 13 old bobmed out tanks left in the countryside.
no one has ever stood up to such a massive military with greater bravery while its civilians ridiculed that same military from the streets with target signs pasted to its heads
To all of you that are dreaming for one more serb occupation of Kosova!
If you move to Kosova again count that you have to deal with an very fast rising army,well armed,young and wery well motivated,circumstances much better for weapon supplyings b/c we do not have to march through mountains and ambushes,we will get them from all 4 world sides even from serbia itself b/c you can bye everything for money, By the way the milosevics mashinery needed not a single month to totally occup. kosova but it did it for period from 1989 to 1999 (10 years) and it culdn't do it completely,one more beter condition is that now we are not surrounded with serb forces as we where,we can evacuate our families in safety within 1-2 hours and get back to fight.
I have respect for all analysts, including Serwer, but Kosovo status is a very dynamic issue, and I guess he has forgot to update his knowledge for some weeks.
“Rome, 17 Nov. (AKI) - Italy's foreign minister Massimo D'Alema has said he supports in broad terms the solution that is being proposed for the final status of Serbia's breakaway Kosovo province. Speaking after a meeting in Rome with chief UN negotiator for Kosovo, Martti Ahtisaari, D'Alema said that dialogue was in general terms "heading towards a form of INDEPENDENCE with some limitations and with international guarantees." Eight rounds of UN-brokered talks on Kosovo yielded no results and Ahtisaari is expected to make a status proposal to the Security Council in the end of January.”
Italy supports an independent Kosovo, while Spain has not decided yet. But I do not think Spain cares about the Balkans.
4 months ago on this site (aug 15), this same man said: "Kosovo is already independent."
all along the kostunica govt called this a bluff (while westerners, the editors of this site, and other political players in serbia basically called him a "fool."
in a serious about face... the only people now needing to save face are western govts and their mothpieces (the ICG, holbrooke, serwer, burns, atasahari, et al). these guys promised what they could not deliver. This is really an embarrassing "back pedal."
the kostunica govt has done a fantastic job. it has a strategy and tactics to follow thru... .while the western plan was based on: bluff, bullying, and emotional appeal. anyone with an ounce of analysis could see it was a weak position. And now they have boxed themselves into a corner with only unilateral recognition of independence as an option (something that will mean certain partition, economic blockade, and the wholesale loss of potential investors).
the era of "out-of-control superpower" is ending (witness the weakness in iraq, kosovo, iran, south korea, latin america) as it presides over a divided government. it does not have the ability to unilaterally do anything and now must return to multi-lateralism (only after a period where their feet will rightfully be held to the fire). these are simply sophmoric mistakes.
the fact then and now still remains: there is no legal mechanism for transferring the province.
back to the negotiating table. i certainly hope that does not lead to an implosion within kosovo... but I think we will begin witnessing internecine violence in and around the province. the writers of the ICG report must have been very humbled (frankly, it couldn't have happened to nicer guys... after their incessant anti-serb chauvanism). They are the architects of this mess. They promised these people something they could not deliver, egged them on.... and now these people will pay for their mistakes while they sit in their diplomatic offices in london, brussels, washington, and new york and practice the subtler forms of joint criminal enterprises.
blag you are dreaming I think. You do not see the world the way it is, but the way you want it to be.
When it comes to Russia, the west agrees that Russia is becoming more dictatorial for every day that passes. Do you think the West will let such a country decide Kosovo’s democratic future.
I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it.
It seems Realpolitik is coming out over one group's effort at self-determination. It's not surprising the most vocal EU members against Kosovo independence is Greece, Spain (Catalonia and Basque Country), Italy (Sardinia and even possibly Sicily) and Romania (Transylvania). Along with Russia (Chechnya) and China (Taiwan), which doesn't seem to care what Washington says anymore, the international playing field has gotten much more difficult - and crowded - since 1999. I think the US wants a quick solution simply so they can get out of the Balkans and redirect troops to the Middle East. Bottom line, the Kosovo issue is more than Albanian self-determination and Serbian historical pride. It's about granting sovereignty to a contested region of a country, and whether or not it will set a precedent for other troubled, or potentially troubled spots, around the globe. If Kosovo is granted some form of sovereignty, and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
oliver: i am very much grounded in reality. you need to read the headlines a bit more - not me. this is realpolitik. this is what i want:
if kosovo is to get indep, then i want republika srpska to also get it (no one way streets... or indep for everyone except serbs b/c that is BULL).
if kosovo gets indep it needs to happen legally, not at the barrel of a gun or b/c a superpower 4,500 miles away says so b/c they want to extract themselves from a problem that they themselves created (b/c that is BULL)
if kosovo is to get indep it needs to prove that it will provide human rights to k serbs (who presently lack them while they live in apartheid-like ghettos reminiscent of south africa.. except they are worse)... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then it needs to prove that refugees can return to their homes without threat to life... b/c that is BULL.
if kosovo is to get indep then i want assurances it will not export violent revolution to macedonia, serbia, and montenegro in the hopes of some greater albania that it can't defend itself nor provide for... b/c that is BULL.
the russian response is to the american "super-power out of control" mentality that washington dc stuffed down everyone's throats for 15 years. those days are over and they made the world a much more dangerous place.
Oliver.
"I will repeat once again: What are you Serbs going to do with a Kosovo that you can not control or govern? Your wet dream is to go back, and fulfil what Milosevic did not manage; ethnic cleansing of Albanians. But Europe and USA will not let you do it."
At this point, i think the Serbs are negotiating with whatever they can get, which is i'm assuming at least control over Serbian enclaves and monuments..
But yes, you're correct, why would a Serb, Hungarian, or Romanian from Vojvodina (for example), want to dish out their hard earned tax dollars to a welfare state of 1.8 million?? I certainly wouldn't want to..
As far as the article is concerned, can somebody clarify to me, HOW MUCH direct dialogue is there between both sides..
A classic quote from planet Zoltar and its fearless propaganda Minister Sidi... and I quote. "That just goes to show that we are ready to fight to the death for independence! We will never agree to live under Serbia as long as we are alive. And there are two million of us in Kosovo. No negotiations ." Let's just play with this quote for a moment...if you are willing to fight to the death, Serbs and Serbia obliged this very desire, and we went after your terrorist organization and all those supporting this illegal organization. HMMM... current examples: US hunting of the Taliban Regime and/or Osama's henchmen, or Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah. Unfortunately, you ran to NATO, Albania proper and Macedonia, leaving your population to receive the brunt of the hammer. If you are as a nation prepared for death why the whining and hysterical crying on International TV. Really, this doesn't demonstrate a committeemen to this bravado statement. This shortsighted statement underestimates the opposing force, Serbia and it's commitments to Kosovo and it's Serbian population. Albanians have demonstrated a Irresistible Force approach to this matter...Serbia as the Immovable Object.....
Surely, we cannot doom our two communities again to this fate of violence....I cannot believe that Albanian mothers wish to see their sons and daughters slaughtered for a cause which easily could be negotiated with some good will... All of our children are precious, and they hold the keys to the future. Let's provide hope, peace, and above all LOVE, for that is the ultimate gift we as parents can provide.
Daniel Serwer has tranformed the USIP in a - US taxpayer funded - institute for war mongering. In all his comments the world is divided in good and bad guys, with in between a few misguided guys who still have to see the light. Weighing and balancing of the interests of the parties involved seems absolutely impossible for him.
Oliver, if you think that Milosevic wanted to cleanse Albanians out of Kosovo or any non-Serbs out of any part of the former Yugoslavia then you obviously are merely regurgitating propaganda and not doing any real research. That statement of yours is completely bogus and comes only from either being misinformed or from your own bias. It was the Kosovo Albanians who wanted ethnic cleansing, which they have now achieved with the help of the West.
I have to agree with Sidi and his sympathetic comments made about Kosovar willingness to fight to the death for Kosova.
Albanian Heroism has always fascinated many scholars involve studding Balkan history, and the 1998-99, against the Serb army was one of the latest examples.
Kosovars were facing here the inherited Yugoslavian Military machine which to certain extend was superior not only to the Albanian Kosovars but also to the whole region.
The Young soldieries of the Kosova Liberation Army especially those based in North Western Kosova, in Koshare, fought against Serbs with an unprecedented bravery.
Due to the Yugoslav heavy machinery involvement it looked to many including myself as suicidal for these young Kosovar soldiers, poring into the front lines with only the basics of military training, and armed with hundreds of bullets and an AK47, as the only weapon that they had.
Almost all of them lacked the body armour and other protections.
Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again.
I will hope however such battles Europe will not witness again.
"Their hopes, their dreams, their enthusiasm, and their will to liberate their land was enormous, so mush so that I can say with certainty it will not be witnessed in our life time again"
and I certainly do not think it will go back to Belgrade, such sovereignty will come at a very steep price, with severe limitations on what Pristina can actually do in the world.
I agree. That might happen in the early stages of Kosovo independence, but in the long run, it will be a fullblown Balkan State.
"No one is expecting a Ballkan Swiss within a few years!"
femi, i also do not wish to see additional awars. but your comment is laughable. as brave as these guys are they had the greatest military the world has ever known bombing on their behalf.
if anyone is heroic its serbs who stoof up to the greatest military the world has ever known (knowing it could not win... but doing so out of principle) and caused it so much trouble that it had to bomb civilians in order to get serbs to the table. this great military machine never really won as was witnessed by the low serb military casualties, the big weapons pullout, a few planes, and 13 old bobmed out tanks left in the countryside.
no one has ever stood up to such a massive military with greater bravery while its civilians ridiculed that same military from the streets with target signs pasted to its heads
To all of you that are dreaming for one more serb occupation of Kosova!
If you move to Kosova again count that you have to deal with an very fast rising army,well armed,young and wery well motivated,circumstances much better for weapon supplyings b/c we do not have to march through mountains and ambushes,we will get them from all 4 world sides even from serbia itself b/c you can bye everything for money, By the way the milosevics mashinery needed not a single month to totally occup. kosova but it did it for period from 1989 to 1999 (10 years) and it culdn't do it completely,one more beter condition is that now we are not surrounded with serb forces as we where,we can evacuate our families in safety within 1-2 hours and get back to fight.
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