Seriously though, the people behind B92 risked their lives on an everyday basis to bring fair and balanced news to the Serbian people under the Milosevic regime.
I suggest anyone who makes comments like Valentino (and there are a few from time to time) read the book "Guerilla Radio" by Matthew Collin. If there are any heroes in the terrible tragedy of the 90's its B92. I highly recommend this book to everyone.
Also, just so its clear, B92 edits everyone's comments from time to time. I consider myself one of the more moderate people here, and my comments have been edited as well. So it happens to both sides.
Kreshnik, you are probably right in that this incident is nothing serious to worry about. However, if the roles were reversed I am sure it might be a little scary wondering where it might lead or what the intentions are. Things aren't exactly safe for Serbs in Kosovo at the moment, and we don't know when or if riots like what happened in 2004 might happen again. We're all very jumpy, but I think you're right, no one should jump to conclusions or act in haste, that might accidentally set off the region. We need to remain calm and hope for the best. I believe the majority of both Serbs and Albanians do not want a return to violence. However, you do have to understand how sensitive we are at the moment.
The good thing is many Albanians did condemn these actions as counter productive, and I will reach across the table and extend my hand in friendship to our Albanian brothers who want a peaceful co-existence for our two peoples. Independence or not, we are neighbors, and our future will always be intertwined regardless of the status of the national borders in the region.
Flamur, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER AS YOU HAVE HAD. Its terrible, and I as a Serb strongly condemn what happened to your family. I am glad you posted, and it gives me hope for a better future for the next generation.
I think his warning about a terrorist cell in Munich are very likely to be very real. I think this information should be passed to the authorities, and Flamur's identity protected. Considering many of the 9/11 terrorists operated out of Germany there probably exists training and recruiting operations there.
Oliver, I went and posted a short comment condemning what happened in the Nis prisons. I intended to do so earlier and in more detail, but got side tracked, thank you for the reminder.
What drives me crazy is that it's clear that most people posting here are snot-nosed teenagers who weren't old enough (or even born yet) to understand the situation and how it grew out of the 70's and 80's.
It's always propaganda when someone tries to give his side of the story. I think that everybody here is lying, more than less AND exaggerating, blowing out of proportion, denying, etc. etc. etc. BOTH ALBANIANS AND SERBIANS. Stop denying your history folks, and tell the truth. There's no way to reconcile otherwise. Independence alone won't do it.
If the serbs should leave kosovo, then the albanians should leave south serbian proper. This is for crimes of shooting civilians and police and disrespecting the laws of the state in which they live.
I am writing from Prishtina, but was born in Gjakova (South Western Kosova).
It is well known that toughest cyber-nationalists on all sides are actualy those that are furthest away from their country. The further from ballkan reality you get the more nationalistic you become.
Valentino, i dissagree with some aspects of you arguement. I believe we should always argue about peace, regardless of the past. We cannot simply take Kosova and transport it somwere else, it is essential for us to at least try to build a contructive relationship with the Serbs, or otherwise we will both become isolated from the world.
Kate, legally speaking Kosovo was under Serbian jurisdiction betwen 1989-1999. Before that under Yugoslavia and before that under the ottoman empire Thus, serbia's soverign borders you speak about were valid for only 10 years :)
No disrespect Flamur. That would be a terrible thing for anyone to go through. But there are people in Serbia outside of Kosovo, and non Albanians in Kosovo, who have lost their entire famillies as well. You may be totally genuine, but you may also be fabricating all of this - we can't know.
You say that all Kreshnik wants is for his children to grow up in peace, but he decided to live in Serbia and the peace must be within the sovereign boundaries of his adopted (or birth) country. I want to live in peace too, but I can't change the bundaries of my country to do that.
I know my history and your history quite well billy :) The reference to the 1945 rifle was merely an attempt by my part to explain how unserious these groups are. While in regards to albanian collaboration with the nazis, i only have one name for you General Dragoljub Mihailovich. If you know your own history you will know what i am talking about.
joe, Albania was an isolated county betwen 1945 and 1991, no one could get out. While in regards to population movements in Kosovo i have another name Vasa Čubrilović.
I am not going to argue about history anymore, its quite pointless, especially with Serbs.
Instead i want to give you a couple of questions you need to think about, and think well before you answer:
1. Do you realise that there is no living Albanian of any age, gender or religion that will live under Serbia again?
2. Do you realise that we would rather die than be humiliated again by some serbian armed serbian huligans?
3. Do you realise that by objecting to Kosovo's independence you are hurting your own country. NATO and the EU will never accept you, or you you wish to ally yourselves with the uzbeks and the kazaks instead?
4. And finally, how do you intend to govern Kosovo, if by any change the international community decided to leave it within Serbia. Administratively speaking how do you think Kosovo should be governed from now on (always taking into consideration that albanian population will not respect any decisions or laws from Belgrade)?
I live in upstate NY and occasionally we also set up check points and carry assault rifles. All of which is legal on private unpaved roads. Same holds true for K. If the road is on private property or communal property then village militias have the right to set up "welcoming squads."
Now no one has been hurt unlike in Serbia where Albanian prisoners are being tortured in Nis prisons. So stop your yappy yappy sqauking and get wit the P.
As far as I know the word “a terrorist organization” was for the first time used in Europe to describe the Serbian terror organization “The Black Hand” (Serbian: Crna Ruka) who killed Franz Ferdinand and started the First World War.
I hope that initiatives such as B92 will help Serbia to be more democratic and west- orientated.
I get upset when I read some of the comments of the Serbian propaganda soldiers.
Have you forgotten that the Northern part of the city of Mitrovica is controlled by the Serbian gang "BRIDGE WATCHERS".
The strategy The Serbian Propaganda Soldiers follow is: DO not discuss Serbian crimes, only the “crimes” others have done.
None of these reacted yesterday when B92 revealed that Albanian prisoners were abused and tortured by the Serbian police.
None of them reacted or condemned when 25 000 people protested in Belgrade in support of Seselj.
None of them condemned the recent anti- Semitic attacks on Serbia’s small Jewish minority.
As long as you in every single way defend the things Milosevic did, it will be difficult for the neighbours to take you seriously.
To you saying: Albanians/KLA started the war. I do totally disagree but let`s say yes they did. What about the war in Bosnia and Croatia? Since Serbia was involved in two wars before that it is also logical to put the blame on Serbia. Truth hurts but…
JOE ,
Is this history that you wrote down !?.Please don't make up things.
Here comes what i wrote cuple weeks a go , that there are so many Albanians that suffered during 1990,1999.and they can hardly wait for another war,giving Serbia a lecture that never had before.You guys are commenting from foreign countries ,I'm commenting from Gajkova,those armed people were nothing its a metter of police ,was disolved right away.Among Albanians there is no intention to indimidate anyone,but there is decision made ,Albanians will never ever again live under Belgrade rules.
Kreshnik is not speaking about peace. "Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?" Is this a peaceful statement or does this imply violence?
What is the 'Munich connection' you speak of??? I'm very sorry for your family. The number of people you lost is very large compared to the total number that are known to have died there.
It sure is to see some pure ignorance in here... from both my fellow Albanians, and the rest of you.
Kreshnik comes and speaks of peace, and wanting his children to grow up in peace, and you attack him.
It's quite obvious what Serbia is putting themselves into by denying Kosoves requests. It will be another war. This time genocide will happen on a much larger scale for the Albanian civilians. And this time Serbia will suffer much consequence within its own borders from extremist Albanians grouped near Munich.
All of my family in Kosove is dead, 48 family members... I no longer care. Good luck to you all.
True Albanians should protest this site. I was led to believe they were fair. But you can never expect fairness from any Serb. The editors of this site, censore, alter, or simply refuse to publish comments if they are harsh to Serbian site.
You all the Albanian frequent commentators, I am sure you think and believe you are discussing with posters from all over the world. Actually, you are talking to 2 or 3 propaganda agents of B92 sitting in their offices and waiting to counter, alter and throw your comments in the garbage.
They'll only publish your boring comments about history and origin, but anything else that hits the true substance of the matter, it will never make it to their board.
So, why waste time? You'll never convince Blag, Rod, Princip, Mike, Max, etc. They are just doing their jobs at B92, which is to sabotage Kosovo Independence while making you at the same time believe there is some democracy at B92.
Any Albanian who writes comments to this site, is actually doing a service to this site by giving them an excuse to call you Terrorists, Islamic fundamentalist, uncivilized, you name it.
"Only weak Albanians, would continue this argument that concluded in 1999."
Albanian: You seriously think that Kosovo can create an uncorrupt military when the rest of the state is infultrated. Moreover, you think you can create a military absent of ex-KLA influence? A Kosovo military would simply be a state mechanism of oppression or a of eventual coup. Until Kosovo can separate itself from corruption and ethnic strife a military would only exacerbate the problems existant in the region.
Well this act does not help the Kosova Albanian cause. These are ill-informed militants who probably think that Kosova is losing its bid on independence, when it is obviously not; independence is expected.
As a response to Mike who said that the Kosova government cannot secure the country - I agree.
That's the reason why Kosova needs a standing army, to deter such threats from Albanian militant groups, and Serbian ones alike. Remember, there have been Serbs in the north that have been armed and claim that they will 'fight' to remain with Serbia, whereas radical Serbian politicians (who happen to be popular nowadays) claim that they will not let Kosova go without a fight, specifically claiming military intervention.
Armed militia in Kosovo; shot prime ministers in Serbia...Guys what's the point of arguing about this. There are enough crazy people, criminals and thugs on both sides. I hope we are clear on that. And what's the point of arguing about the future status of Kosovo for that matter? Be patient and we will all find out pretty soon.
Kreshnik is talking about major suffering by albanians in kosovo. Yes, some people died in Kosovo in 1999, but it was instigated by actions (murders) of the KLA in 1997-1998. The tale of long-term albanian suffering, as you might be hinting at, doesn't hold water for several reasons. If life was so bad in Kosovo, why did so many people leave albania proper to emigrate there? If you look at the birth rate in kosovo, it is far exceeded by the actual population growth rate, due to people coming in from somewhere. By 1991 yugoslavia was already in a state of war. Yeah, life will be pretty bad when your country is at war with itself, and the food, fuel, power, etc. stops coming in from the outside.
You should read up on your history a bit. The Albanian Fascist Party was already in-fighting with the commies by 1945. Your '10 men with rifles' in 1939 was an army of thousands whose fundamental mission statement was to cleanse Kosovo of its Serb population.
These masked men are now trying to rid Kosovo of its last Serbs 'for good this time' as you put it.
Now, as far as the few non-serb non-albanian folks that happen to be left...given that most of them were chased out by the KLA...Don't you think that these poor individuals, after seeing these masked guerrilla-types with machine guns checking people out, might might be scared or terrorized into having a certain opinion about independence?
For the sake of us all try to change and be more resonable. We are all human and whether we like it or not we are always going to be neighbours, so why not be good neighbours. Me and my family suffered things you cant even imagine, but i understand now thats its pointless to hate the serbs, hatered only produces more hatered. I do not want my children to grow in a troubled place, and i can assure you that that is exactly what Serbia will be if it keeps Kosovo.
billy, 10 individuals with a 1945 rifle can hardly be classified as an organized attempt to do anything. Kosovo's independence is a foregone conclusion, whether Serbia likes it or not. "Non-Albanians" is not quite an accurate term, since all other minorities such as roma, turks, bosnians and croats support Independence. Quite frankly i dont understand why you want Kosovo, dont you understand that if you keep Kosovo, Serbia will be a troubled society plagued by war and unstability for all eternity? Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?
Hahaha, so I click on the link to the article, then click "Comments" to see how long it would take before one of our Albanian commentators blamed the armed gunmen on Serbs. The third comment! Not bad! Because after all, Albanians in Kosovo wouldn't hurt a fly - this MUST be SRS infiltrators. Why not take it one step further and include Greek and Russian paramilitaries too? If the Albanian authorities can't even secure the region they're working ever so hard to get from their own people, why are we even debating independent sovereignty?
It is unlikely that they will find any serbs on a random country road. They are probably looking to find people of albanian descent who don't agree with the local 'policies.' It is a well-documented fact that the KLA took out its own people if they didn't agree with their politics. This is a serious violation of human rights! And these folks complain about the serbs!
I don't fully understand Albi's reasoning. "that's why those masks are putting checkpoints." Why are these people wearing masks? What are they afraid of? If they are looking for 'destabilizing radicals' why would they need to hide their identity unless they were planning to commit some crime???
Albi, what kind of a statement is that? What evidence do you have of this? Are soldiers massing on the boarder??? Sounds to me like this is becoming an organized attempt to ethnically cleanse all remaining non-albanians from kosovo. Either that, or, we are seeing the blossoming of a fascist state.
albi, so, the masked thugs are looking for Serbs? So, you are saying that these bandits are looking to murder and cleanse Kosovo of its remaining serbs?
It's good to see that some of the people of kosovo find this to be wrong. It is the opinions of radicals like Albi here that makes the situation such a mess. It only takes a few people...
Seems Kosovians(as G.W.Bush called them once) are getting nervous.Yeah right,i guess millions of "radicals" in Serbia are arming these days and going to destabilize paradise on Earth called KosovA/Dardania/Iliria or whatever...i dunno what people in Serbia are doing but i am preparing for my ski holliday in Austria.Good luck almost independent KosovO/A,cause you gonna need it!
hardly a surprise. it's deja vu all over again. here come the acts of blackmail where K jumps up and down and carries on like spoiled children until it gets it's way. i suppose the next step is to buy some plane tickets to rambuillet and then bomb the russians for threatening world peace... and the serbs for not signing a piece of paper. sorry, but i don't think the world really gives a damn anymore. oh boy, what a friggin mess! this was predicted last week when i wrote that the K govt knows its being abandoned and has called on its KLA buddies to rebel... thereby making America and England the supporters of terrorists.
b/c there is strong evidence that serb radicals are trying to escalate the situation, and they are not affraid of umnik, but they are sacred of albanians who are lawless if they find somebody from serbia trying to destabilize kosovo that's why those masks are putting check points. and i dont think any radical will pay that price to go to kosovo.
WOW, how is this possible?!?Armed millitia and thugs blocking roads...i am shocked:-) I thought Kosovo is nice, calm, prosperous community, almost better then Switzerland...i am so dissapointed now!
WOW, how is this possible?!?Armed millitia and thugs blocking roads...i am shocked:-) I thought Kosovo is nice, calm, prosperous community, almost better then Switzerland...i am so dissapointed now!
b/c there is strong evidence that serb radicals are trying to escalate the situation, and they are not affraid of umnik, but they are sacred of albanians who are lawless if they find somebody from serbia trying to destabilize kosovo that's why those masks are putting check points. and i dont think any radical will pay that price to go to kosovo.
hardly a surprise. it's deja vu all over again. here come the acts of blackmail where K jumps up and down and carries on like spoiled children until it gets it's way. i suppose the next step is to buy some plane tickets to rambuillet and then bomb the russians for threatening world peace... and the serbs for not signing a piece of paper. sorry, but i don't think the world really gives a damn anymore. oh boy, what a friggin mess! this was predicted last week when i wrote that the K govt knows its being abandoned and has called on its KLA buddies to rebel... thereby making America and England the supporters of terrorists.
Seems Kosovians(as G.W.Bush called them once) are getting nervous.Yeah right,i guess millions of "radicals" in Serbia are arming these days and going to destabilize paradise on Earth called KosovA/Dardania/Iliria or whatever...i dunno what people in Serbia are doing but i am preparing for my ski holliday in Austria.Good luck almost independent KosovO/A,cause you gonna need it!
Albi, what kind of a statement is that? What evidence do you have of this? Are soldiers massing on the boarder??? Sounds to me like this is becoming an organized attempt to ethnically cleanse all remaining non-albanians from kosovo. Either that, or, we are seeing the blossoming of a fascist state.
albi, so, the masked thugs are looking for Serbs? So, you are saying that these bandits are looking to murder and cleanse Kosovo of its remaining serbs?
It is unlikely that they will find any serbs on a random country road. They are probably looking to find people of albanian descent who don't agree with the local 'policies.' It is a well-documented fact that the KLA took out its own people if they didn't agree with their politics. This is a serious violation of human rights! And these folks complain about the serbs!
I don't fully understand Albi's reasoning. "that's why those masks are putting checkpoints." Why are these people wearing masks? What are they afraid of? If they are looking for 'destabilizing radicals' why would they need to hide their identity unless they were planning to commit some crime???
It's good to see that some of the people of kosovo find this to be wrong. It is the opinions of radicals like Albi here that makes the situation such a mess. It only takes a few people...
billy, 10 individuals with a 1945 rifle can hardly be classified as an organized attempt to do anything. Kosovo's independence is a foregone conclusion, whether Serbia likes it or not. "Non-Albanians" is not quite an accurate term, since all other minorities such as roma, turks, bosnians and croats support Independence. Quite frankly i dont understand why you want Kosovo, dont you understand that if you keep Kosovo, Serbia will be a troubled society plagued by war and unstability for all eternity? Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?
Hahaha, so I click on the link to the article, then click "Comments" to see how long it would take before one of our Albanian commentators blamed the armed gunmen on Serbs. The third comment! Not bad! Because after all, Albanians in Kosovo wouldn't hurt a fly - this MUST be SRS infiltrators. Why not take it one step further and include Greek and Russian paramilitaries too? If the Albanian authorities can't even secure the region they're working ever so hard to get from their own people, why are we even debating independent sovereignty?
For the sake of us all try to change and be more resonable. We are all human and whether we like it or not we are always going to be neighbours, so why not be good neighbours. Me and my family suffered things you cant even imagine, but i understand now thats its pointless to hate the serbs, hatered only produces more hatered. I do not want my children to grow in a troubled place, and i can assure you that that is exactly what Serbia will be if it keeps Kosovo.
You should read up on your history a bit. The Albanian Fascist Party was already in-fighting with the commies by 1945. Your '10 men with rifles' in 1939 was an army of thousands whose fundamental mission statement was to cleanse Kosovo of its Serb population.
These masked men are now trying to rid Kosovo of its last Serbs 'for good this time' as you put it.
Now, as far as the few non-serb non-albanian folks that happen to be left...given that most of them were chased out by the KLA...Don't you think that these poor individuals, after seeing these masked guerrilla-types with machine guns checking people out, might might be scared or terrorized into having a certain opinion about independence?
Armed militia in Kosovo; shot prime ministers in Serbia...Guys what's the point of arguing about this. There are enough crazy people, criminals and thugs on both sides. I hope we are clear on that. And what's the point of arguing about the future status of Kosovo for that matter? Be patient and we will all find out pretty soon.
Well this act does not help the Kosova Albanian cause. These are ill-informed militants who probably think that Kosova is losing its bid on independence, when it is obviously not; independence is expected.
As a response to Mike who said that the Kosova government cannot secure the country - I agree.
That's the reason why Kosova needs a standing army, to deter such threats from Albanian militant groups, and Serbian ones alike. Remember, there have been Serbs in the north that have been armed and claim that they will 'fight' to remain with Serbia, whereas radical Serbian politicians (who happen to be popular nowadays) claim that they will not let Kosova go without a fight, specifically claiming military intervention.
Kreshnik is talking about major suffering by albanians in kosovo. Yes, some people died in Kosovo in 1999, but it was instigated by actions (murders) of the KLA in 1997-1998. The tale of long-term albanian suffering, as you might be hinting at, doesn't hold water for several reasons. If life was so bad in Kosovo, why did so many people leave albania proper to emigrate there? If you look at the birth rate in kosovo, it is far exceeded by the actual population growth rate, due to people coming in from somewhere. By 1991 yugoslavia was already in a state of war. Yeah, life will be pretty bad when your country is at war with itself, and the food, fuel, power, etc. stops coming in from the outside.
Albanian: You seriously think that Kosovo can create an uncorrupt military when the rest of the state is infultrated. Moreover, you think you can create a military absent of ex-KLA influence? A Kosovo military would simply be a state mechanism of oppression or a of eventual coup. Until Kosovo can separate itself from corruption and ethnic strife a military would only exacerbate the problems existant in the region.
It sure is to see some pure ignorance in here... from both my fellow Albanians, and the rest of you.
Kreshnik comes and speaks of peace, and wanting his children to grow up in peace, and you attack him.
It's quite obvious what Serbia is putting themselves into by denying Kosoves requests. It will be another war. This time genocide will happen on a much larger scale for the Albanian civilians. And this time Serbia will suffer much consequence within its own borders from extremist Albanians grouped near Munich.
All of my family in Kosove is dead, 48 family members... I no longer care. Good luck to you all.
True Albanians should protest this site. I was led to believe they were fair. But you can never expect fairness from any Serb. The editors of this site, censore, alter, or simply refuse to publish comments if they are harsh to Serbian site.
You all the Albanian frequent commentators, I am sure you think and believe you are discussing with posters from all over the world. Actually, you are talking to 2 or 3 propaganda agents of B92 sitting in their offices and waiting to counter, alter and throw your comments in the garbage.
They'll only publish your boring comments about history and origin, but anything else that hits the true substance of the matter, it will never make it to their board.
So, why waste time? You'll never convince Blag, Rod, Princip, Mike, Max, etc. They are just doing their jobs at B92, which is to sabotage Kosovo Independence while making you at the same time believe there is some democracy at B92.
Any Albanian who writes comments to this site, is actually doing a service to this site by giving them an excuse to call you Terrorists, Islamic fundamentalist, uncivilized, you name it.
"Only weak Albanians, would continue this argument that concluded in 1999."
Kreshnik is not speaking about peace. "Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?" Is this a peaceful statement or does this imply violence?
What is the 'Munich connection' you speak of??? I'm very sorry for your family. The number of people you lost is very large compared to the total number that are known to have died there.
JOE ,
Is this history that you wrote down !?.Please don't make up things.
Here comes what i wrote cuple weeks a go , that there are so many Albanians that suffered during 1990,1999.and they can hardly wait for another war,giving Serbia a lecture that never had before.You guys are commenting from foreign countries ,I'm commenting from Gajkova,those armed people were nothing its a metter of police ,was disolved right away.Among Albanians there is no intention to indimidate anyone,but there is decision made ,Albanians will never ever again live under Belgrade rules.
I get upset when I read some of the comments of the Serbian propaganda soldiers.
Have you forgotten that the Northern part of the city of Mitrovica is controlled by the Serbian gang "BRIDGE WATCHERS".
The strategy The Serbian Propaganda Soldiers follow is: DO not discuss Serbian crimes, only the “crimes” others have done.
None of these reacted yesterday when B92 revealed that Albanian prisoners were abused and tortured by the Serbian police.
None of them reacted or condemned when 25 000 people protested in Belgrade in support of Seselj.
None of them condemned the recent anti- Semitic attacks on Serbia’s small Jewish minority.
As long as you in every single way defend the things Milosevic did, it will be difficult for the neighbours to take you seriously.
To you saying: Albanians/KLA started the war. I do totally disagree but let`s say yes they did. What about the war in Bosnia and Croatia? Since Serbia was involved in two wars before that it is also logical to put the blame on Serbia. Truth hurts but…
As far as I know the word “a terrorist organization” was for the first time used in Europe to describe the Serbian terror organization “The Black Hand” (Serbian: Crna Ruka) who killed Franz Ferdinand and started the First World War.
I hope that initiatives such as B92 will help Serbia to be more democratic and west- orientated.
I live in upstate NY and occasionally we also set up check points and carry assault rifles. All of which is legal on private unpaved roads. Same holds true for K. If the road is on private property or communal property then village militias have the right to set up "welcoming squads."
Now no one has been hurt unlike in Serbia where Albanian prisoners are being tortured in Nis prisons. So stop your yappy yappy sqauking and get wit the P.
No disrespect Flamur. That would be a terrible thing for anyone to go through. But there are people in Serbia outside of Kosovo, and non Albanians in Kosovo, who have lost their entire famillies as well. You may be totally genuine, but you may also be fabricating all of this - we can't know.
You say that all Kreshnik wants is for his children to grow up in peace, but he decided to live in Serbia and the peace must be within the sovereign boundaries of his adopted (or birth) country. I want to live in peace too, but I can't change the bundaries of my country to do that.
I know my history and your history quite well billy :) The reference to the 1945 rifle was merely an attempt by my part to explain how unserious these groups are. While in regards to albanian collaboration with the nazis, i only have one name for you General Dragoljub Mihailovich. If you know your own history you will know what i am talking about.
joe, Albania was an isolated county betwen 1945 and 1991, no one could get out. While in regards to population movements in Kosovo i have another name Vasa Čubrilović.
I am not going to argue about history anymore, its quite pointless, especially with Serbs.
Instead i want to give you a couple of questions you need to think about, and think well before you answer:
1. Do you realise that there is no living Albanian of any age, gender or religion that will live under Serbia again?
2. Do you realise that we would rather die than be humiliated again by some serbian armed serbian huligans?
3. Do you realise that by objecting to Kosovo's independence you are hurting your own country. NATO and the EU will never accept you, or you you wish to ally yourselves with the uzbeks and the kazaks instead?
4. And finally, how do you intend to govern Kosovo, if by any change the international community decided to leave it within Serbia. Administratively speaking how do you think Kosovo should be governed from now on (always taking into consideration that albanian population will not respect any decisions or laws from Belgrade)?
I am writing from Prishtina, but was born in Gjakova (South Western Kosova).
It is well known that toughest cyber-nationalists on all sides are actualy those that are furthest away from their country. The further from ballkan reality you get the more nationalistic you become.
Valentino, i dissagree with some aspects of you arguement. I believe we should always argue about peace, regardless of the past. We cannot simply take Kosova and transport it somwere else, it is essential for us to at least try to build a contructive relationship with the Serbs, or otherwise we will both become isolated from the world.
Kate, legally speaking Kosovo was under Serbian jurisdiction betwen 1989-1999. Before that under Yugoslavia and before that under the ottoman empire Thus, serbia's soverign borders you speak about were valid for only 10 years :)
What drives me crazy is that it's clear that most people posting here are snot-nosed teenagers who weren't old enough (or even born yet) to understand the situation and how it grew out of the 70's and 80's.
It's always propaganda when someone tries to give his side of the story. I think that everybody here is lying, more than less AND exaggerating, blowing out of proportion, denying, etc. etc. etc. BOTH ALBANIANS AND SERBIANS. Stop denying your history folks, and tell the truth. There's no way to reconcile otherwise. Independence alone won't do it.
If the serbs should leave kosovo, then the albanians should leave south serbian proper. This is for crimes of shooting civilians and police and disrespecting the laws of the state in which they live.
Seriously though, the people behind B92 risked their lives on an everyday basis to bring fair and balanced news to the Serbian people under the Milosevic regime.
I suggest anyone who makes comments like Valentino (and there are a few from time to time) read the book "Guerilla Radio" by Matthew Collin. If there are any heroes in the terrible tragedy of the 90's its B92. I highly recommend this book to everyone.
Also, just so its clear, B92 edits everyone's comments from time to time. I consider myself one of the more moderate people here, and my comments have been edited as well. So it happens to both sides.
Kreshnik, you are probably right in that this incident is nothing serious to worry about. However, if the roles were reversed I am sure it might be a little scary wondering where it might lead or what the intentions are. Things aren't exactly safe for Serbs in Kosovo at the moment, and we don't know when or if riots like what happened in 2004 might happen again. We're all very jumpy, but I think you're right, no one should jump to conclusions or act in haste, that might accidentally set off the region. We need to remain calm and hope for the best. I believe the majority of both Serbs and Albanians do not want a return to violence. However, you do have to understand how sensitive we are at the moment.
The good thing is many Albanians did condemn these actions as counter productive, and I will reach across the table and extend my hand in friendship to our Albanian brothers who want a peaceful co-existence for our two peoples. Independence or not, we are neighbors, and our future will always be intertwined regardless of the status of the national borders in the region.
Flamur, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER AS YOU HAVE HAD. Its terrible, and I as a Serb strongly condemn what happened to your family. I am glad you posted, and it gives me hope for a better future for the next generation.
I think his warning about a terrorist cell in Munich are very likely to be very real. I think this information should be passed to the authorities, and Flamur's identity protected. Considering many of the 9/11 terrorists operated out of Germany there probably exists training and recruiting operations there.
Oliver, I went and posted a short comment condemning what happened in the Nis prisons. I intended to do so earlier and in more detail, but got side tracked, thank you for the reminder.
WOW, how is this possible?!?Armed millitia and thugs blocking roads...i am shocked:-) I thought Kosovo is nice, calm, prosperous community, almost better then Switzerland...i am so dissapointed now!
b/c there is strong evidence that serb radicals are trying to escalate the situation, and they are not affraid of umnik, but they are sacred of albanians who are lawless if they find somebody from serbia trying to destabilize kosovo that's why those masks are putting check points. and i dont think any radical will pay that price to go to kosovo.
hardly a surprise. it's deja vu all over again. here come the acts of blackmail where K jumps up and down and carries on like spoiled children until it gets it's way. i suppose the next step is to buy some plane tickets to rambuillet and then bomb the russians for threatening world peace... and the serbs for not signing a piece of paper. sorry, but i don't think the world really gives a damn anymore. oh boy, what a friggin mess! this was predicted last week when i wrote that the K govt knows its being abandoned and has called on its KLA buddies to rebel... thereby making America and England the supporters of terrorists.
Seems Kosovians(as G.W.Bush called them once) are getting nervous.Yeah right,i guess millions of "radicals" in Serbia are arming these days and going to destabilize paradise on Earth called KosovA/Dardania/Iliria or whatever...i dunno what people in Serbia are doing but i am preparing for my ski holliday in Austria.Good luck almost independent KosovO/A,cause you gonna need it!
Albi, what kind of a statement is that? What evidence do you have of this? Are soldiers massing on the boarder??? Sounds to me like this is becoming an organized attempt to ethnically cleanse all remaining non-albanians from kosovo. Either that, or, we are seeing the blossoming of a fascist state.
albi, so, the masked thugs are looking for Serbs? So, you are saying that these bandits are looking to murder and cleanse Kosovo of its remaining serbs?
It is unlikely that they will find any serbs on a random country road. They are probably looking to find people of albanian descent who don't agree with the local 'policies.' It is a well-documented fact that the KLA took out its own people if they didn't agree with their politics. This is a serious violation of human rights! And these folks complain about the serbs!
I don't fully understand Albi's reasoning. "that's why those masks are putting checkpoints." Why are these people wearing masks? What are they afraid of? If they are looking for 'destabilizing radicals' why would they need to hide their identity unless they were planning to commit some crime???
It's good to see that some of the people of kosovo find this to be wrong. It is the opinions of radicals like Albi here that makes the situation such a mess. It only takes a few people...
billy, 10 individuals with a 1945 rifle can hardly be classified as an organized attempt to do anything. Kosovo's independence is a foregone conclusion, whether Serbia likes it or not. "Non-Albanians" is not quite an accurate term, since all other minorities such as roma, turks, bosnians and croats support Independence. Quite frankly i dont understand why you want Kosovo, dont you understand that if you keep Kosovo, Serbia will be a troubled society plagued by war and unstability for all eternity? Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?
Hahaha, so I click on the link to the article, then click "Comments" to see how long it would take before one of our Albanian commentators blamed the armed gunmen on Serbs. The third comment! Not bad! Because after all, Albanians in Kosovo wouldn't hurt a fly - this MUST be SRS infiltrators. Why not take it one step further and include Greek and Russian paramilitaries too? If the Albanian authorities can't even secure the region they're working ever so hard to get from their own people, why are we even debating independent sovereignty?
For the sake of us all try to change and be more resonable. We are all human and whether we like it or not we are always going to be neighbours, so why not be good neighbours. Me and my family suffered things you cant even imagine, but i understand now thats its pointless to hate the serbs, hatered only produces more hatered. I do not want my children to grow in a troubled place, and i can assure you that that is exactly what Serbia will be if it keeps Kosovo.
You should read up on your history a bit. The Albanian Fascist Party was already in-fighting with the commies by 1945. Your '10 men with rifles' in 1939 was an army of thousands whose fundamental mission statement was to cleanse Kosovo of its Serb population.
These masked men are now trying to rid Kosovo of its last Serbs 'for good this time' as you put it.
Now, as far as the few non-serb non-albanian folks that happen to be left...given that most of them were chased out by the KLA...Don't you think that these poor individuals, after seeing these masked guerrilla-types with machine guns checking people out, might might be scared or terrorized into having a certain opinion about independence?
Armed militia in Kosovo; shot prime ministers in Serbia...Guys what's the point of arguing about this. There are enough crazy people, criminals and thugs on both sides. I hope we are clear on that. And what's the point of arguing about the future status of Kosovo for that matter? Be patient and we will all find out pretty soon.
Well this act does not help the Kosova Albanian cause. These are ill-informed militants who probably think that Kosova is losing its bid on independence, when it is obviously not; independence is expected.
As a response to Mike who said that the Kosova government cannot secure the country - I agree.
That's the reason why Kosova needs a standing army, to deter such threats from Albanian militant groups, and Serbian ones alike. Remember, there have been Serbs in the north that have been armed and claim that they will 'fight' to remain with Serbia, whereas radical Serbian politicians (who happen to be popular nowadays) claim that they will not let Kosova go without a fight, specifically claiming military intervention.
Kreshnik is talking about major suffering by albanians in kosovo. Yes, some people died in Kosovo in 1999, but it was instigated by actions (murders) of the KLA in 1997-1998. The tale of long-term albanian suffering, as you might be hinting at, doesn't hold water for several reasons. If life was so bad in Kosovo, why did so many people leave albania proper to emigrate there? If you look at the birth rate in kosovo, it is far exceeded by the actual population growth rate, due to people coming in from somewhere. By 1991 yugoslavia was already in a state of war. Yeah, life will be pretty bad when your country is at war with itself, and the food, fuel, power, etc. stops coming in from the outside.
Albanian: You seriously think that Kosovo can create an uncorrupt military when the rest of the state is infultrated. Moreover, you think you can create a military absent of ex-KLA influence? A Kosovo military would simply be a state mechanism of oppression or a of eventual coup. Until Kosovo can separate itself from corruption and ethnic strife a military would only exacerbate the problems existant in the region.
It sure is to see some pure ignorance in here... from both my fellow Albanians, and the rest of you.
Kreshnik comes and speaks of peace, and wanting his children to grow up in peace, and you attack him.
It's quite obvious what Serbia is putting themselves into by denying Kosoves requests. It will be another war. This time genocide will happen on a much larger scale for the Albanian civilians. And this time Serbia will suffer much consequence within its own borders from extremist Albanians grouped near Munich.
All of my family in Kosove is dead, 48 family members... I no longer care. Good luck to you all.
True Albanians should protest this site. I was led to believe they were fair. But you can never expect fairness from any Serb. The editors of this site, censore, alter, or simply refuse to publish comments if they are harsh to Serbian site.
You all the Albanian frequent commentators, I am sure you think and believe you are discussing with posters from all over the world. Actually, you are talking to 2 or 3 propaganda agents of B92 sitting in their offices and waiting to counter, alter and throw your comments in the garbage.
They'll only publish your boring comments about history and origin, but anything else that hits the true substance of the matter, it will never make it to their board.
So, why waste time? You'll never convince Blag, Rod, Princip, Mike, Max, etc. They are just doing their jobs at B92, which is to sabotage Kosovo Independence while making you at the same time believe there is some democracy at B92.
Any Albanian who writes comments to this site, is actually doing a service to this site by giving them an excuse to call you Terrorists, Islamic fundamentalist, uncivilized, you name it.
"Only weak Albanians, would continue this argument that concluded in 1999."
Kreshnik is not speaking about peace. "Or do you intend finish the albanians for good this time?" Is this a peaceful statement or does this imply violence?
What is the 'Munich connection' you speak of??? I'm very sorry for your family. The number of people you lost is very large compared to the total number that are known to have died there.
JOE ,
Is this history that you wrote down !?.Please don't make up things.
Here comes what i wrote cuple weeks a go , that there are so many Albanians that suffered during 1990,1999.and they can hardly wait for another war,giving Serbia a lecture that never had before.You guys are commenting from foreign countries ,I'm commenting from Gajkova,those armed people were nothing its a metter of police ,was disolved right away.Among Albanians there is no intention to indimidate anyone,but there is decision made ,Albanians will never ever again live under Belgrade rules.
I get upset when I read some of the comments of the Serbian propaganda soldiers.
Have you forgotten that the Northern part of the city of Mitrovica is controlled by the Serbian gang "BRIDGE WATCHERS".
The strategy The Serbian Propaganda Soldiers follow is: DO not discuss Serbian crimes, only the “crimes” others have done.
None of these reacted yesterday when B92 revealed that Albanian prisoners were abused and tortured by the Serbian police.
None of them reacted or condemned when 25 000 people protested in Belgrade in support of Seselj.
None of them condemned the recent anti- Semitic attacks on Serbia’s small Jewish minority.
As long as you in every single way defend the things Milosevic did, it will be difficult for the neighbours to take you seriously.
To you saying: Albanians/KLA started the war. I do totally disagree but let`s say yes they did. What about the war in Bosnia and Croatia? Since Serbia was involved in two wars before that it is also logical to put the blame on Serbia. Truth hurts but…
As far as I know the word “a terrorist organization” was for the first time used in Europe to describe the Serbian terror organization “The Black Hand” (Serbian: Crna Ruka) who killed Franz Ferdinand and started the First World War.
I hope that initiatives such as B92 will help Serbia to be more democratic and west- orientated.
I live in upstate NY and occasionally we also set up check points and carry assault rifles. All of which is legal on private unpaved roads. Same holds true for K. If the road is on private property or communal property then village militias have the right to set up "welcoming squads."
Now no one has been hurt unlike in Serbia where Albanian prisoners are being tortured in Nis prisons. So stop your yappy yappy sqauking and get wit the P.
No disrespect Flamur. That would be a terrible thing for anyone to go through. But there are people in Serbia outside of Kosovo, and non Albanians in Kosovo, who have lost their entire famillies as well. You may be totally genuine, but you may also be fabricating all of this - we can't know.
You say that all Kreshnik wants is for his children to grow up in peace, but he decided to live in Serbia and the peace must be within the sovereign boundaries of his adopted (or birth) country. I want to live in peace too, but I can't change the bundaries of my country to do that.
I know my history and your history quite well billy :) The reference to the 1945 rifle was merely an attempt by my part to explain how unserious these groups are. While in regards to albanian collaboration with the nazis, i only have one name for you General Dragoljub Mihailovich. If you know your own history you will know what i am talking about.
joe, Albania was an isolated county betwen 1945 and 1991, no one could get out. While in regards to population movements in Kosovo i have another name Vasa Čubrilović.
I am not going to argue about history anymore, its quite pointless, especially with Serbs.
Instead i want to give you a couple of questions you need to think about, and think well before you answer:
1. Do you realise that there is no living Albanian of any age, gender or religion that will live under Serbia again?
2. Do you realise that we would rather die than be humiliated again by some serbian armed serbian huligans?
3. Do you realise that by objecting to Kosovo's independence you are hurting your own country. NATO and the EU will never accept you, or you you wish to ally yourselves with the uzbeks and the kazaks instead?
4. And finally, how do you intend to govern Kosovo, if by any change the international community decided to leave it within Serbia. Administratively speaking how do you think Kosovo should be governed from now on (always taking into consideration that albanian population will not respect any decisions or laws from Belgrade)?
I am writing from Prishtina, but was born in Gjakova (South Western Kosova).
It is well known that toughest cyber-nationalists on all sides are actualy those that are furthest away from their country. The further from ballkan reality you get the more nationalistic you become.
Valentino, i dissagree with some aspects of you arguement. I believe we should always argue about peace, regardless of the past. We cannot simply take Kosova and transport it somwere else, it is essential for us to at least try to build a contructive relationship with the Serbs, or otherwise we will both become isolated from the world.
Kate, legally speaking Kosovo was under Serbian jurisdiction betwen 1989-1999. Before that under Yugoslavia and before that under the ottoman empire Thus, serbia's soverign borders you speak about were valid for only 10 years :)
What drives me crazy is that it's clear that most people posting here are snot-nosed teenagers who weren't old enough (or even born yet) to understand the situation and how it grew out of the 70's and 80's.
It's always propaganda when someone tries to give his side of the story. I think that everybody here is lying, more than less AND exaggerating, blowing out of proportion, denying, etc. etc. etc. BOTH ALBANIANS AND SERBIANS. Stop denying your history folks, and tell the truth. There's no way to reconcile otherwise. Independence alone won't do it.
If the serbs should leave kosovo, then the albanians should leave south serbian proper. This is for crimes of shooting civilians and police and disrespecting the laws of the state in which they live.
Seriously though, the people behind B92 risked their lives on an everyday basis to bring fair and balanced news to the Serbian people under the Milosevic regime.
I suggest anyone who makes comments like Valentino (and there are a few from time to time) read the book "Guerilla Radio" by Matthew Collin. If there are any heroes in the terrible tragedy of the 90's its B92. I highly recommend this book to everyone.
Also, just so its clear, B92 edits everyone's comments from time to time. I consider myself one of the more moderate people here, and my comments have been edited as well. So it happens to both sides.
Kreshnik, you are probably right in that this incident is nothing serious to worry about. However, if the roles were reversed I am sure it might be a little scary wondering where it might lead or what the intentions are. Things aren't exactly safe for Serbs in Kosovo at the moment, and we don't know when or if riots like what happened in 2004 might happen again. We're all very jumpy, but I think you're right, no one should jump to conclusions or act in haste, that might accidentally set off the region. We need to remain calm and hope for the best. I believe the majority of both Serbs and Albanians do not want a return to violence. However, you do have to understand how sensitive we are at the moment.
The good thing is many Albanians did condemn these actions as counter productive, and I will reach across the table and extend my hand in friendship to our Albanian brothers who want a peaceful co-existence for our two peoples. Independence or not, we are neighbors, and our future will always be intertwined regardless of the status of the national borders in the region.
Flamur, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER AS YOU HAVE HAD. Its terrible, and I as a Serb strongly condemn what happened to your family. I am glad you posted, and it gives me hope for a better future for the next generation.
I think his warning about a terrorist cell in Munich are very likely to be very real. I think this information should be passed to the authorities, and Flamur's identity protected. Considering many of the 9/11 terrorists operated out of Germany there probably exists training and recruiting operations there.
Oliver, I went and posted a short comment condemning what happened in the Nis prisons. I intended to do so earlier and in more detail, but got side tracked, thank you for the reminder.
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