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Thursday, 09.11.2006.

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Constitution has no effect on Kosovo

Albanian leaders in Kosovo stated that the Serbian Constitution and election will have no effect on the status question.

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Borci

pre 17 godina

Serbia doesn't need to even make an effort to divide the world diplomatically, the world is already divided between America(Albanian side) and Russia(Serbian side). Russia, a veto wielding member of the Security Council and the Contact Group, recognises automatically the Serbian constitution together with China, so America and the European Union cannot play the role of the big bully. Serbia's constitution in fact has a severe effect on Kosovo Albanians' chances of declaring independence in that International Law and State Sovereignty cannot be abstained from by any biased country. If Serbia's constitution isn't recognised then neither will Spain's by Basque, Andalooza or Catallonia and neither will Britain's by Wales and Scotland and neither will Georgia's by Abkhazia and Ossetia. You see denying the legitimacy of Serbia's constitution will have a domino like effect in the whole of Europe and the EU doesn't want this manifestation to eventuate and Russia is very well aware of this.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Directed at Mr Valentino
From your name I'm guessing you're Italian. Well if I may let me present before you a hypothetical Italian territorial crisis. Imagine if Sicily was to be overflooded with Albanian muslim refugees forty years ago and in 1974 the Italian government approved a constitution granting the Albanians in Sicily autonomy while ordinary Italians' cries are being ignored and pretty much today you have an Albanian majority in Sicily. Then one day like today I a Serb come on to this web and start bragging on senslessly and disheartedly not to mention discontemptly how Sicily, an Italian province must be independent from Italy and that You Know I'm Right(arrogantly saying to you) as you have done to me and every serb on this web even though at the end of the day you're not even Albanian. My question to you then, Mr Biased if I may call you, WHAT IS YOUR TRUE INTENTION AS TO THE ARTICLE you have written???.Think before you write Mr Biased Valentino, and think hard. Sicily was not a province of Italy as of yesterday nor was Kosovo a province of Serbia as of yesterday. And by the way read up on some history books before you start firing non-constructive criticism at us.
(Battle of Kosovo 1389 AD, research it)

Valentino,

pre 17 godina

Dear Mathew,

The resolution you mention, was signed by the butcher of Balkans (Milosevic). As far as I remember, Serbia used to be known as Jugoslavia then, and with exception of Russia and few other Slavic states, no one really puts any weight on that disastrous resolution. It rather hypocritical for Serbs to distance themselves from Milosevic when they are reminded of the atrocities and horrendous crimes committed, but love the submissive resolution he had signed. Let's be realistic, sir! Serbs can't have both! Milosevic was one man. Physically, he hasn't murdered anyone as far as I know. But he had a pre-meditated sick vision. And that vision was partially put into reality by his generals, political esbalishment, and majority of Serbs who in many ways supported his ethnic cleansing actions . So, with what authority does Kostunica and his cronies believe that an oppressed nation like Kosovars would go back to the autonomy that they've been rejecting since 1981.

Why? Just because they have written it in their constitution? As sad as it may seem, the road the Serbians have chosen, will unequivocally push them into writing many such constitutions.

You talk as if Kosovo minorities are the only ones who deserve more rights? What about the minorities in Serbia? All of them have boycotted the referendum on the new constitution. Albanians in Presevo valley constantly talk of oppression. The Serbian democracy hasn't brought anything new in their lives but more misery. I visited Southern Serbia through an international organization last year. Talked with local party leaders. Then, they were peacefully requesting from Serbian authorities to reduce the high number of gendarmes situated in the village of Miratovac, Osmolica and throughout Presevo valley. Almost a year has passed, and they are still making the same request.

So, Serbia should get for Serbs in Kosovo, exactly what it offers to Albanian and other minorities in Serbia.

Mr. Cheku's planned unilateral declaration of independence is the most powerful and convincing solution for Kosovo Albanians so far. Unilateral declaration of independence will simply give an end to Serbian dreadful propaganda which is intended for nothing more than to divide the international community and keep Kosovo unfunctional, of course with the aid of its indoctrinated Serbian minority in Kosovo and relentless hateful propaganda streaming from the orthodox denominations in Kosovo.

And finally, have you ever asked yourself it its human and civilized to forcefully keep 2 million citizens against their will. Many Serbs would assert... well we are protecting our borders, or integrity of our country that was internationally recognized since 1912. For your information, in 1912, UN didn't exist, nor many other agencies we see today. As unfortunate as it may seem, Serbian invasive rule over Kosovo has left nothing more then scars and bitterness for Albanian generations to come.

Imagine! Kosovo has been under Serbia since 1912. While Belgrade, Zagreb, Skopje, and many other cities have had their universities for over hundred years, only in 1974 Albanians get their first University, which unfortunately, closes 22 years later by Milosevic. And to make things a lot more humiliating for Albanians, he and his allegiant orthodox clergymen, built a church in the middle of the University. Ask yourself, what good have Albanians gotten for those 90 years of occupation!

Although you may not admit or accept my concepts because of your ethnic convictions, I am sure you know I am right!!!

"Make it happen, Mr. Cheku!"

Thank you B92,

Accepts any constructive criticism!

Valentino Sarazini,

John

pre 17 godina

Actually that resolution states that the status solution is an issue that will be solved by the international community and the sides involved. No guarantees there. That is why the Albanian side signed the Ramboulet agreement in the first place.

Matthew

pre 17 godina

Taking into account that the UN issued a resolution that guarantee's Serbia's territorial integrity, Serbia's constitution is merely recognizing the current official international policy towards Kosovo and Serbia. Nothing unusual there.

Let's start with the first D, Ahtisaari. A good negotiator should be unbiased. Ahtisaari has not made any effort to even appear impartial. He is clearly being one sided, that is completely true. I do agree that this discredits the entire process, but you can't blame Serbia for Ahtisaari taking sides, or pointing out that he is doing it. The Serbian government would be doing a great disservice to its people if it didn't stand up for them.

Second D. The longer the delay, the more likely international public opinion will think with their heads and not be prone to emotional issues in regards to the situation in the Balkans. People like to view situations in black or white, good or bad, and in the Balkans, its always shades of gray. Time should be taken in determining such emotional issues, a rush to judgment was the major contributing factor to the earlier wars of the 90's. Had the international community approached that situation with care and patience, its possible those wars could have been avoided, saving Europe hundreds of thousands of lives and ending a cycle of violence that has plagued the Balkans for far too long.

Third D, it is the Serbian governments job to try to "divide" the international community by convincing some members that independence is not the proper solution. I would expect the Serbian government to attempt to preserve Kosovo as part of Serbia, its their job to inform the international community of what Serbia's stance on the situation is. It sounds like they are complaining that some countries are listening to what the Serbian government has to say? Are they saying that Serbia shouldn't have the right to issue their opinions or seek support in the international community?

4th D, I would actually be very interested to know what sorts of actions the current Serbian government is doing to destabilize Kosovo? Personally, I believe that a lack of standards towards the protection of minorities in Kosovo is far more destabilizing in the long run then any current policies towards Kosovo. Kosovo can not be stable until either the rights of minorities are respected, or all minorities are ethnically cleansed. Let us work together to stop the cycle of violence once and for all.

Let us hope for a future where the Albanian and Serbian leaders can sit down and talk honestly and openly, without this kind of nationalistic nonsense. Does anyone really believe that the EU will be successful and stable with its future member states behaving in such a fashion? Unless a strong and lasting peace can be found in the Balkans, the Balkans will destroy any future the EU has. Both sides are acting like children at times, and it’s such a non-issue if both sides join the EU. Like it or not, you're all headed towards union in the EU anyway. Why destabilize your own future this way? Its just plain silly.

Christopher Fray

pre 17 godina

Serbia is shrowded in what Milosevic left behind: A legacy of indoctrination which has injected many Serbs with an ideology that is anti-Western and xenophopic, views Serbia as a victim and is largely based on a populist Kosovo-centric mythology. Kostunica's government is continuing this destructive indoctrination through widespread state propaganda, thus condemning future generations of younger Serbs to the same isolationism and confusion as their predecessors. A true pity the lack of vision that the Serb leadership portrays.

Christopher Fray

pre 17 godina

Serbia is shrowded in what Milosevic left behind: A legacy of indoctrination which has injected many Serbs with an ideology that is anti-Western and xenophopic, views Serbia as a victim and is largely based on a populist Kosovo-centric mythology. Kostunica's government is continuing this destructive indoctrination through widespread state propaganda, thus condemning future generations of younger Serbs to the same isolationism and confusion as their predecessors. A true pity the lack of vision that the Serb leadership portrays.

Matthew

pre 17 godina

Taking into account that the UN issued a resolution that guarantee's Serbia's territorial integrity, Serbia's constitution is merely recognizing the current official international policy towards Kosovo and Serbia. Nothing unusual there.

Let's start with the first D, Ahtisaari. A good negotiator should be unbiased. Ahtisaari has not made any effort to even appear impartial. He is clearly being one sided, that is completely true. I do agree that this discredits the entire process, but you can't blame Serbia for Ahtisaari taking sides, or pointing out that he is doing it. The Serbian government would be doing a great disservice to its people if it didn't stand up for them.

Second D. The longer the delay, the more likely international public opinion will think with their heads and not be prone to emotional issues in regards to the situation in the Balkans. People like to view situations in black or white, good or bad, and in the Balkans, its always shades of gray. Time should be taken in determining such emotional issues, a rush to judgment was the major contributing factor to the earlier wars of the 90's. Had the international community approached that situation with care and patience, its possible those wars could have been avoided, saving Europe hundreds of thousands of lives and ending a cycle of violence that has plagued the Balkans for far too long.

Third D, it is the Serbian governments job to try to "divide" the international community by convincing some members that independence is not the proper solution. I would expect the Serbian government to attempt to preserve Kosovo as part of Serbia, its their job to inform the international community of what Serbia's stance on the situation is. It sounds like they are complaining that some countries are listening to what the Serbian government has to say? Are they saying that Serbia shouldn't have the right to issue their opinions or seek support in the international community?

4th D, I would actually be very interested to know what sorts of actions the current Serbian government is doing to destabilize Kosovo? Personally, I believe that a lack of standards towards the protection of minorities in Kosovo is far more destabilizing in the long run then any current policies towards Kosovo. Kosovo can not be stable until either the rights of minorities are respected, or all minorities are ethnically cleansed. Let us work together to stop the cycle of violence once and for all.

Let us hope for a future where the Albanian and Serbian leaders can sit down and talk honestly and openly, without this kind of nationalistic nonsense. Does anyone really believe that the EU will be successful and stable with its future member states behaving in such a fashion? Unless a strong and lasting peace can be found in the Balkans, the Balkans will destroy any future the EU has. Both sides are acting like children at times, and it’s such a non-issue if both sides join the EU. Like it or not, you're all headed towards union in the EU anyway. Why destabilize your own future this way? Its just plain silly.

John

pre 17 godina

Actually that resolution states that the status solution is an issue that will be solved by the international community and the sides involved. No guarantees there. That is why the Albanian side signed the Ramboulet agreement in the first place.

Valentino,

pre 17 godina

Dear Mathew,

The resolution you mention, was signed by the butcher of Balkans (Milosevic). As far as I remember, Serbia used to be known as Jugoslavia then, and with exception of Russia and few other Slavic states, no one really puts any weight on that disastrous resolution. It rather hypocritical for Serbs to distance themselves from Milosevic when they are reminded of the atrocities and horrendous crimes committed, but love the submissive resolution he had signed. Let's be realistic, sir! Serbs can't have both! Milosevic was one man. Physically, he hasn't murdered anyone as far as I know. But he had a pre-meditated sick vision. And that vision was partially put into reality by his generals, political esbalishment, and majority of Serbs who in many ways supported his ethnic cleansing actions . So, with what authority does Kostunica and his cronies believe that an oppressed nation like Kosovars would go back to the autonomy that they've been rejecting since 1981.

Why? Just because they have written it in their constitution? As sad as it may seem, the road the Serbians have chosen, will unequivocally push them into writing many such constitutions.

You talk as if Kosovo minorities are the only ones who deserve more rights? What about the minorities in Serbia? All of them have boycotted the referendum on the new constitution. Albanians in Presevo valley constantly talk of oppression. The Serbian democracy hasn't brought anything new in their lives but more misery. I visited Southern Serbia through an international organization last year. Talked with local party leaders. Then, they were peacefully requesting from Serbian authorities to reduce the high number of gendarmes situated in the village of Miratovac, Osmolica and throughout Presevo valley. Almost a year has passed, and they are still making the same request.

So, Serbia should get for Serbs in Kosovo, exactly what it offers to Albanian and other minorities in Serbia.

Mr. Cheku's planned unilateral declaration of independence is the most powerful and convincing solution for Kosovo Albanians so far. Unilateral declaration of independence will simply give an end to Serbian dreadful propaganda which is intended for nothing more than to divide the international community and keep Kosovo unfunctional, of course with the aid of its indoctrinated Serbian minority in Kosovo and relentless hateful propaganda streaming from the orthodox denominations in Kosovo.

And finally, have you ever asked yourself it its human and civilized to forcefully keep 2 million citizens against their will. Many Serbs would assert... well we are protecting our borders, or integrity of our country that was internationally recognized since 1912. For your information, in 1912, UN didn't exist, nor many other agencies we see today. As unfortunate as it may seem, Serbian invasive rule over Kosovo has left nothing more then scars and bitterness for Albanian generations to come.

Imagine! Kosovo has been under Serbia since 1912. While Belgrade, Zagreb, Skopje, and many other cities have had their universities for over hundred years, only in 1974 Albanians get their first University, which unfortunately, closes 22 years later by Milosevic. And to make things a lot more humiliating for Albanians, he and his allegiant orthodox clergymen, built a church in the middle of the University. Ask yourself, what good have Albanians gotten for those 90 years of occupation!

Although you may not admit or accept my concepts because of your ethnic convictions, I am sure you know I am right!!!

"Make it happen, Mr. Cheku!"

Thank you B92,

Accepts any constructive criticism!

Valentino Sarazini,

Borci

pre 17 godina

Serbia doesn't need to even make an effort to divide the world diplomatically, the world is already divided between America(Albanian side) and Russia(Serbian side). Russia, a veto wielding member of the Security Council and the Contact Group, recognises automatically the Serbian constitution together with China, so America and the European Union cannot play the role of the big bully. Serbia's constitution in fact has a severe effect on Kosovo Albanians' chances of declaring independence in that International Law and State Sovereignty cannot be abstained from by any biased country. If Serbia's constitution isn't recognised then neither will Spain's by Basque, Andalooza or Catallonia and neither will Britain's by Wales and Scotland and neither will Georgia's by Abkhazia and Ossetia. You see denying the legitimacy of Serbia's constitution will have a domino like effect in the whole of Europe and the EU doesn't want this manifestation to eventuate and Russia is very well aware of this.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Directed at Mr Valentino
From your name I'm guessing you're Italian. Well if I may let me present before you a hypothetical Italian territorial crisis. Imagine if Sicily was to be overflooded with Albanian muslim refugees forty years ago and in 1974 the Italian government approved a constitution granting the Albanians in Sicily autonomy while ordinary Italians' cries are being ignored and pretty much today you have an Albanian majority in Sicily. Then one day like today I a Serb come on to this web and start bragging on senslessly and disheartedly not to mention discontemptly how Sicily, an Italian province must be independent from Italy and that You Know I'm Right(arrogantly saying to you) as you have done to me and every serb on this web even though at the end of the day you're not even Albanian. My question to you then, Mr Biased if I may call you, WHAT IS YOUR TRUE INTENTION AS TO THE ARTICLE you have written???.Think before you write Mr Biased Valentino, and think hard. Sicily was not a province of Italy as of yesterday nor was Kosovo a province of Serbia as of yesterday. And by the way read up on some history books before you start firing non-constructive criticism at us.
(Battle of Kosovo 1389 AD, research it)

Christopher Fray

pre 17 godina

Serbia is shrowded in what Milosevic left behind: A legacy of indoctrination which has injected many Serbs with an ideology that is anti-Western and xenophopic, views Serbia as a victim and is largely based on a populist Kosovo-centric mythology. Kostunica's government is continuing this destructive indoctrination through widespread state propaganda, thus condemning future generations of younger Serbs to the same isolationism and confusion as their predecessors. A true pity the lack of vision that the Serb leadership portrays.

Matthew

pre 17 godina

Taking into account that the UN issued a resolution that guarantee's Serbia's territorial integrity, Serbia's constitution is merely recognizing the current official international policy towards Kosovo and Serbia. Nothing unusual there.

Let's start with the first D, Ahtisaari. A good negotiator should be unbiased. Ahtisaari has not made any effort to even appear impartial. He is clearly being one sided, that is completely true. I do agree that this discredits the entire process, but you can't blame Serbia for Ahtisaari taking sides, or pointing out that he is doing it. The Serbian government would be doing a great disservice to its people if it didn't stand up for them.

Second D. The longer the delay, the more likely international public opinion will think with their heads and not be prone to emotional issues in regards to the situation in the Balkans. People like to view situations in black or white, good or bad, and in the Balkans, its always shades of gray. Time should be taken in determining such emotional issues, a rush to judgment was the major contributing factor to the earlier wars of the 90's. Had the international community approached that situation with care and patience, its possible those wars could have been avoided, saving Europe hundreds of thousands of lives and ending a cycle of violence that has plagued the Balkans for far too long.

Third D, it is the Serbian governments job to try to "divide" the international community by convincing some members that independence is not the proper solution. I would expect the Serbian government to attempt to preserve Kosovo as part of Serbia, its their job to inform the international community of what Serbia's stance on the situation is. It sounds like they are complaining that some countries are listening to what the Serbian government has to say? Are they saying that Serbia shouldn't have the right to issue their opinions or seek support in the international community?

4th D, I would actually be very interested to know what sorts of actions the current Serbian government is doing to destabilize Kosovo? Personally, I believe that a lack of standards towards the protection of minorities in Kosovo is far more destabilizing in the long run then any current policies towards Kosovo. Kosovo can not be stable until either the rights of minorities are respected, or all minorities are ethnically cleansed. Let us work together to stop the cycle of violence once and for all.

Let us hope for a future where the Albanian and Serbian leaders can sit down and talk honestly and openly, without this kind of nationalistic nonsense. Does anyone really believe that the EU will be successful and stable with its future member states behaving in such a fashion? Unless a strong and lasting peace can be found in the Balkans, the Balkans will destroy any future the EU has. Both sides are acting like children at times, and it’s such a non-issue if both sides join the EU. Like it or not, you're all headed towards union in the EU anyway. Why destabilize your own future this way? Its just plain silly.

John

pre 17 godina

Actually that resolution states that the status solution is an issue that will be solved by the international community and the sides involved. No guarantees there. That is why the Albanian side signed the Ramboulet agreement in the first place.

Valentino,

pre 17 godina

Dear Mathew,

The resolution you mention, was signed by the butcher of Balkans (Milosevic). As far as I remember, Serbia used to be known as Jugoslavia then, and with exception of Russia and few other Slavic states, no one really puts any weight on that disastrous resolution. It rather hypocritical for Serbs to distance themselves from Milosevic when they are reminded of the atrocities and horrendous crimes committed, but love the submissive resolution he had signed. Let's be realistic, sir! Serbs can't have both! Milosevic was one man. Physically, he hasn't murdered anyone as far as I know. But he had a pre-meditated sick vision. And that vision was partially put into reality by his generals, political esbalishment, and majority of Serbs who in many ways supported his ethnic cleansing actions . So, with what authority does Kostunica and his cronies believe that an oppressed nation like Kosovars would go back to the autonomy that they've been rejecting since 1981.

Why? Just because they have written it in their constitution? As sad as it may seem, the road the Serbians have chosen, will unequivocally push them into writing many such constitutions.

You talk as if Kosovo minorities are the only ones who deserve more rights? What about the minorities in Serbia? All of them have boycotted the referendum on the new constitution. Albanians in Presevo valley constantly talk of oppression. The Serbian democracy hasn't brought anything new in their lives but more misery. I visited Southern Serbia through an international organization last year. Talked with local party leaders. Then, they were peacefully requesting from Serbian authorities to reduce the high number of gendarmes situated in the village of Miratovac, Osmolica and throughout Presevo valley. Almost a year has passed, and they are still making the same request.

So, Serbia should get for Serbs in Kosovo, exactly what it offers to Albanian and other minorities in Serbia.

Mr. Cheku's planned unilateral declaration of independence is the most powerful and convincing solution for Kosovo Albanians so far. Unilateral declaration of independence will simply give an end to Serbian dreadful propaganda which is intended for nothing more than to divide the international community and keep Kosovo unfunctional, of course with the aid of its indoctrinated Serbian minority in Kosovo and relentless hateful propaganda streaming from the orthodox denominations in Kosovo.

And finally, have you ever asked yourself it its human and civilized to forcefully keep 2 million citizens against their will. Many Serbs would assert... well we are protecting our borders, or integrity of our country that was internationally recognized since 1912. For your information, in 1912, UN didn't exist, nor many other agencies we see today. As unfortunate as it may seem, Serbian invasive rule over Kosovo has left nothing more then scars and bitterness for Albanian generations to come.

Imagine! Kosovo has been under Serbia since 1912. While Belgrade, Zagreb, Skopje, and many other cities have had their universities for over hundred years, only in 1974 Albanians get their first University, which unfortunately, closes 22 years later by Milosevic. And to make things a lot more humiliating for Albanians, he and his allegiant orthodox clergymen, built a church in the middle of the University. Ask yourself, what good have Albanians gotten for those 90 years of occupation!

Although you may not admit or accept my concepts because of your ethnic convictions, I am sure you know I am right!!!

"Make it happen, Mr. Cheku!"

Thank you B92,

Accepts any constructive criticism!

Valentino Sarazini,

Borci

pre 17 godina

Serbia doesn't need to even make an effort to divide the world diplomatically, the world is already divided between America(Albanian side) and Russia(Serbian side). Russia, a veto wielding member of the Security Council and the Contact Group, recognises automatically the Serbian constitution together with China, so America and the European Union cannot play the role of the big bully. Serbia's constitution in fact has a severe effect on Kosovo Albanians' chances of declaring independence in that International Law and State Sovereignty cannot be abstained from by any biased country. If Serbia's constitution isn't recognised then neither will Spain's by Basque, Andalooza or Catallonia and neither will Britain's by Wales and Scotland and neither will Georgia's by Abkhazia and Ossetia. You see denying the legitimacy of Serbia's constitution will have a domino like effect in the whole of Europe and the EU doesn't want this manifestation to eventuate and Russia is very well aware of this.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Directed at Mr Valentino
From your name I'm guessing you're Italian. Well if I may let me present before you a hypothetical Italian territorial crisis. Imagine if Sicily was to be overflooded with Albanian muslim refugees forty years ago and in 1974 the Italian government approved a constitution granting the Albanians in Sicily autonomy while ordinary Italians' cries are being ignored and pretty much today you have an Albanian majority in Sicily. Then one day like today I a Serb come on to this web and start bragging on senslessly and disheartedly not to mention discontemptly how Sicily, an Italian province must be independent from Italy and that You Know I'm Right(arrogantly saying to you) as you have done to me and every serb on this web even though at the end of the day you're not even Albanian. My question to you then, Mr Biased if I may call you, WHAT IS YOUR TRUE INTENTION AS TO THE ARTICLE you have written???.Think before you write Mr Biased Valentino, and think hard. Sicily was not a province of Italy as of yesterday nor was Kosovo a province of Serbia as of yesterday. And by the way read up on some history books before you start firing non-constructive criticism at us.
(Battle of Kosovo 1389 AD, research it)