40

Monday, 06.11.2006.

13:33

Thaci: Kosovo already independent

Kosovo Democratic party leader Hashim Thaci said that Kosovo has already gained independence.

Izvor: Beta

Thaci: Kosovo already independent IMAGE SOURCE
IMAGE DESCRIPTION

40 Komentari

Sortiraj po:

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

To Brica, jimboa, Stephan. Please show us the source of your "documented link" of the KLA with Al-Qaida. I will bet its one of your Anti-American Left-wing Commi-Socialist website like the one reffereed to in the above article.
So let me get this straight..your analogy of the whole American support of the Kosovars and the KLA is that America doesn't want to anger Saudi Arabia and keep oil price down on behalf of American/KLA friendship or vice versa. Are you serious? Thats got to be the funnist thing I have heard in regards to American support of Kosovo.
If thats your argument then you should get a "Read between the lines lesson 101". If the USA says that the final status would have to be accepted by the majority. What do you think that means "Between The Lines"!
With that said, I close my argument cause frankly I don't have the time and interest to argue the Lost cause of the "Serbian Craddle" with you.

Borci

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hoxa and Sebastian,

Guys, please use your freedom of speech, but you cannot acuse us Serbs of Bias because we write what we think. We are an honest people and honest people like nothing better than hearin your researched arguments and in regards to racist comments I agree, they should not be posted.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Xhevat,
The so called Ironically named Kosovo Liberation Army has documented links with Al-Qaeda and the only reason America pulls wool over the eyes of the world on this fact is because it doesn't want to upset Saudi Arabia, and ultimately oil prices in America. Brainstorm this for a while and then you will gain the skill of reading between the lines.

jimboa

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate,

You are quoting Front Page Magazine??? It's like reading the onion (if you are familiar). Ok, well, here is an article from the same publication, but a newer article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15577

This article, since it is newer than yours, must displace the article you posted.

I would encourage the readers to go to the magazine's search page

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Search/advanced.asp

and type in some leaning key words, to see for themselves how credible this source really is. Nobody is innocent, or righteous, good, or even smells nice, except for the contributing authors. I would tend to agree with the magazine on this point, except when it comes to their contributing authors.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimboa,
I will try posting the artical "Serbia saddam Alliance one more time.

The Saddam-Serbia Alliance
By Stephen Schwartz
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 28, 2002

A new, but actually old, member of a broader axis of totalitarian evil has reemerged from the shadows. Post-Milosevic Yugoslavia has been caught shipping military equipment to Iraq in violation of international sanctions against Saddam Hussein. For some of us, the arrangement between Belgrade and Baghdad is old news. But it has its shocking aspect: this alliance between two forms of fascism was partly set up by a Communist remnant, the Yugoslav United Left (JUL), headed by Mira Markovic, Milosevic's wife. JUL has a representative, Borisa Vukovic, working in Baghdad as an adviser to Saddam's oldest son, Odai. However, the wheels were further greased - by blood, one might say - thanks to the JUL's fascist allies in the Serbian Radical Party (SRS). SRS members frequently travel to Iraq, just as Ramsey Clark and the puppets of the so-called International ANSWER have done.

The real shocker here will be known to few Americans. The Serbian Radical Party is the most extreme anti-Muslim party in Yugoslavia. Its creator, Vojislav Seselj, is a former Yugoslav dissident - once a poster boy for the human rights profession and a guest lecturer at a leading American university. Seselj, who was homosexually raped while imprisoned in Belgrade, was driven insane by that experience, and became the most violent of all the Serb throat-cutter politicians. Seselj and SRS are directly responsible for the martyrdom of thousands of Muslim children, women, old people, and other innocents in the Balkans. Seselj and SRS enjoy substantial support from Kosovo Serbs.

The first question for the U.S. "peace movement" is: How can Saddam posture as a defender of Islam when he maintains an alliance with the people responsible for the worst massacre of Muslims in recent times?

More important is the next question: how can the Wahhabi lobby in America - the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the American Muslim Council (AMC), the Muslim Political Action Council (MPAC), etc., under the phony banner of "peace," advocate for Saddam and his regime?

The Wahhabi lobby has endorsed "anti-war" demonstrations called by Ramsey Clark's Mickey Maoist cronies. International ANSWER is an ultra-Stalinist network that parallels the axis of terror, in serving as active propaganda agents for Serbia, Iraq, and North Korea, as well as Cuba, countries they repeatedly visit and acclaim.
Of course, Serbian fascism has its die-hard admirers in the U.S., disproportionately found among Stalinists and the kind of folks who write to certain knuckle-dragger websites with screen-names like "Honorary Serb." The JUL of Mira Markovic has inter-party relations with numerous Communist Parties around the world, and propaganda in its favor is frequently published in the People's Weekly World, the Communist equivalent of the Weekly World News. Since 9/11, blogs have been clogged with declamations by fake American patriots who believe Milosevic was a hero in the struggle against al-Qaida.

According to these boneheads, if you're not for Serbian Islamophobia, you're not a good American. The trash that cheers when Macedonian Slavs kill Albanians say that some day the Albanians will show their true colors and attack American troops in the Balkans. Those who believe in such fairytales have a long, long time to wait. Albanians love America and will never desert our cause; Albanians will, if possible, be the first to volunteer to fight against Saddam on the ground. Meanwhile, however, primitives whose hatred of Bill Clinton led them to praise Serbia's phony military prowess during the Kosovo intervention remain loyal to the Belgrade butcher. These witless web warriors continue to salivate at Milosevic's propaganda about his allegedly superior weapons technology, even as they claim to support action against Saddam.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimba,
The article was from 1999 when Serbian war machine was running rampid with blood to their elbows in kosovo.
I have read your above post clearly and you seem to use the old communist tricks. If they (911 terrorist) fought in Bosnia why would it mean that they supported Kosovo, The Kosovo and Bosnia conflicts were apples and oranges. We all Know (international) that!! So while Arabs had played a role in forming Mujahadeen brigades in Bosnia, This is Far from the case in Kosovo and with the KLA!! So DO NOT try linking the two! The relevant internaional community knows this. They also know there were a large number of catholic Albanian in the KLA as well, No religiuos ever issues existed with in the ranks of the KLA.

One more thing JimboA, You still have'nt sent us your "BBC" link on your "Documented" Kosovo/Madrid link...
Still waiting.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate:

Your article is irrelevant, as it discusses people who Milosevic funded. What year is this article from??? It's gotta be at least 10 years old.

This information, although probably accurate w.r.t. the laundering activities, was clearly used as a propaganda tool to turn public opinion in the UK against Milosevic. So, I fail to see how Milosevic's link to organized crime has anything to do with the Madrid bombings.

Thanks for the post Max.

Also, if you read my post a bit more carefully, you'll notice that I didn't say that the 9-11 bombers fought in Kosovo.

They were probably starting families in Bosna at that time.

Max

pre 17 godina

If i might add to Jimbo's comments, some of the explosives used in the Madrid bombings came directly from Kosovo

http://kosovonewsandviews.blogspot.com/2006/01/ignore-at-peril-growing-cauldron-of.html

Jer

pre 17 godina

KLA, Freedom Fighters? Sure I can see that but I really don't think is has the tame tone that was ment. Congo had freedom fighters, Nigeria too. By the way, Taliban. Yep they too catagorise themsleves the same as the KLA. ALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And as I said Serb are no MORE guilty when it comes to attrocities committed in former Jugoslavia. Everyone had their fair share murder. What encouraged half of attracities and seperations were trigger happy fractions supported illegally by other nations.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Jimbo,
Were in the world do you get your information from?? Please tell were have you read that 5 of the 911 bombers fought in kosovo, what a croack of nonsense.
PS.. also please provide the link to the "BBC" articles confirming you claim that Madrid bomobings connected to "albanian Drug Dealers" Because I couldn't find it, or was it your own BBC,AKA. TANJUG Propaganda.
This is what I found connected to Drug Gangs and Terror:

Serb gangs in UK fund terror
By Rajeev Syal and David Bamber

New Scotland Yard

Invincible sails in as UK doubles war effort
SERBIAN gangsters in Britain are involved in smuggling drugs and laundering money to fund militia groups in the Balkans, according to a Scotland Yard report.

The 30-page paper, seen by The Telegraph, says the security services have been monitoring the activities of a Balkan underworld in west London which is filtering money back to Yugoslavia for paramilitaries operating in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia.

The report, An Outline of the Threat and Impact by Organised and Enterprise Crime upon the UK, was written by intelligence officers within the Metropolitan Police and has been seen by operatives in the National Crime Intelligence Service and MI5.

It will intensify the calls for a clampdown on Serbian interests operating in the capital. The security services are already monitoring community groups in west London after a call to arms by Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbian president.

The report states that Serbian and Croatian gangs in Paddington and Shepherd's Bush are involved in importing drugs and "cleaning" drug money for other underworld gangs. Profits made by the gang are sent home to support militia groups which control "no-go" areas in Serbia and Croatia.

"Continuation of the spasmodic Serbian and Croatian skirmishing and the Bosnian civil war is in the interests of this grouping," states the report. "Their activities are on an international scale, with associates in Germany and the Low Countries."

The report says the gang aligns itself with the Serbian nationalist cause. "This group serves as an example of political terrorism. Whilst maintaining its ideological cause it is shading off into international organised criminal activity. The gangs are operating within the black markets of their homelands and transferring their practices to Britain."

A massive Serbian black market in weapons, petrol, cigarettes, alcohol and stolen cars has become the power base of Serbia's ruling class, according to economists. The tightening of sanctions since last year means that Yugoslavia has debts of £10 billion, and black marketeering with foreign neighbours including Italy and Russia has been encouraged by the government. Mr Milosevic is also believed to have close ties with Serbian gangsters.

The report was compiled during the Bosnian conflict, and is being used today as background by anti-terrorist officers monitoring the activity of Serbs. The activity of Serbs in the US has also come under scrutiny by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Drugs Enforcement Agency.

Over the past two weeks some Serbs have presented themselves in London and at the main ports, claiming to be fleeing conscription or deserting the army.

Some of these people are genuine, but immigration officials fear others may be attempting to enter the country for other, illegal purposes.

Xhevat

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Agim,

You are grossly mistaken. Milosevic may have been friends with Saddam, but not the Serbs. This relationship (zlobo + saddam) was a throwback to Tito's friendship with Saddam during the illegal commie administration. If you remember, Tito (who was not a serb) built Saddam's famous underground bunkers.

It is well documented that the flow of these terror individuals is through Bosnia (5 of the 11 9-11 bombers were veterans of the Bosnian war--clearly on the 'Bosniak' side) and Kosovo. Why doesn't the Kosovo administration do more to stop the transit of these people to europe and beyond? Maybe we should spend more time posting links to these articles on this website.

"Rest assured he was a friend of Serbia" is clearly an attempt at an early revisionism. Why would he be arrested and so efficiently extradited? What evidence do you have of this friendship? My evidence is that he was caught and extradited. What evidence do you have that he was sheltered by Belgrade?

Also, what would have been a better way for this Iraqi to get to Kosovo than the direct route? Was he supposed to go around at an expense of hundreds of miles of travel? Why wasn't he stopped at any other country? Is he also friends with other countries? Or is it that only this man's friends can arrest him?

It is also documented (BBC) that the Madrid bombing suspects had ties to kosovo albanian drug dealers.

Agim Elshani

pre 17 godina

Jimbo; You said that : "likely he was on his way to Kosova". If he was using forged Irak documents, rest assured that he friend of Serbia, because Serbia had close ties with Saddam Hysein.
Vic; Serbia overthrow Miloshevic, it is not true Serbia was pressured to arrrest him and hand it over to Hague. I am still waitting an appolegy and show remorse from serbia proper for the crimes they have committed since 1990 in all former Yug.
Republics.
KLA were freedom fighters no more no less.

Vic

pre 17 godina

It clearly shows that certain Albanians and KLA believe that all of the illegal and criminal things that Albanians did to the Serbs and Roma are not criminal. It shows these people are not capable of having remorse, where as when you make a mistake you admit it just as Serbs have done by overthrowing Milosevic. Most Albanians believe that they are completely innocent or at least they act like it, in unison. If Albanians do not admit that they have done wrong which it does not seem they will do since the govt of Kosovo is worse than that of Milosevic it will be hard for Kosovo to really protect minorities and integrate into EU which leads one to believe that this push for Kosovo independence is not a push for a better future but rather for the control of land and for the vision of Greater Albania.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dear Joe,

Here is a link to the article you describe:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4159946.stm

This terror suspect fled Madrid via train. With false documentation, he got as far as Serbia, but he was likely on his way to Kosovo. Cheers to the Serbian authorities for the capture that other countries didn't succeed in executing.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dearest Agnes,

Who told you that Tito was a hero to the Serbian people??? Yes, there were some commies (just like in Albania and elsewhere), but Serbs are generally [very fiercely] anti-communist. Tito was a hero to the commies, not to Serbs.

If Tito were such a hero, then why were all the places he re-named after himself changed back to their original names? Why were so many parodies (in the form of movies) made criticizing his legacy?

Please remember that he was a dictator who maintained power through the traditional strong-arm means (murders, abductions, torture, etc.). There was a significant brain-drain as people ran out of the country after he took power after WWII.

I just hope that his tomb will soon be disassembled and incinerated, but it does have some historical value.

Joe

pre 17 godina

Hey Stephan,
The KLA have not been around for Decades as you claim but (active) from 1997-1999. Where do you obtain your information from inregards to the KPC selling explosives for international terror?
The Serbian WIDEWEB!
Try CNN like this article for you...MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A Madrid train bombing suspect wanted on an international warrant since last year has been arrested in Serbia where he was carrying forged Iraqi documents, Spain's Interior Ministry said Wednesday.

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ Afrim Hoxha

According to Reporters Without Borders, Serbia's press freedom is ranked number 45 in the world, while Albania is all the way down at number 80. Food for thought!

Mick & Stephen

pre 17 godina

Noel and Sebastian - this is my last comment for my first time on blog sites. By jove its been interesting to read a variation of thoughts. Well, with regards to writing a book, I won't, at least not yet, but many are getting ready for publishing. If people need books to understand the present, then please read from all sides, no wonder this world is falling apart. If one can not see thru his/her eyes and analyse with the brain that allah or Jesus or Buddha etc, gave them, then I would suggest to live a little and stop counting on the grand Information and Media Operations of BBC and CNN, albeit, they are a good window of what their respective governments are cooking up.

Books are good, especially the historical ones, history provides a idea of what to expect from our leaders in the future, and helps a good analyst to write and provoke a thought or two. People from West to East rely on their Political leadership, who take on history as their platform, unfortunately, a great example being Tony Blair, they become overwhelmed with their status and claim God advises them. Well God ain’t here, he’s watching human beings carry on with destroying each other with their gracious “I want more attitude”. We live in a greedy and capitalistic society, some call it Democracy, I call it robbery. So, N & S please shed a thought for the hundreds of grass root communities of all ethnicities in Kosovo who were killed, raped and tortured by KLA, even after NATO/UN arrival for not joining the cause. Its not about Albanians in general, its about the sick cancerous administration that governs them.

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ louie
"Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?!"

The Serbian government is after a compromise, fully autonomy, everything up to, but not including autonomy.
Why don't the albanians consider the Serb population as "human beings". They're willing to give up everything, yet you can't move a budge from 'we want independence, OR ELSE!"

Agnes Bertrand

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hocha,

Afrim you did a good thing! You are absolutely right about so-called editors of B92. They tricked me as well into believing that here is the only place in Serbia where you'd find some form of democracy, or should I say a place to freely express one's opinion. I was wrong!!!!!! Democracy of expression in this site is only for those who relentlessly advance Anti-Albanian campaign. Any powerful argument that portrays the truth of Serbian instigated wars in Balkans, will simply be altered, censored or not be published at all.

Don't be fooled by Serbian "Democracy," Serbian people have never had in the past, nor will ever have the nature for democracy. If it weren't in the economic slump, do you really believe they would talk about EU? They would rather try to eradicate Albanian race from Balkans, assimilate Hungarians, and who knows else. Serbia is simply not made for EU. I assume EU countries know what a big headache would be to have Serbia as a member state. Like Russians, they'll never agree to anything. And if they do, It will be like Milosevic's capitulation!

Remember Tito! At the beginning of his campaign against Nazis, he used hit and run terroristic tactics. He had to in those circumstances, and was hero for Serbians until he died. KLA did the same against Milosevic's oppressive military machine, and I am sure some of them are considered heros for Albanian people. Why shouldn't they?

Cheers,

Agnes Bertrand,

jer

pre 17 godina

Yes, Serbs killed a lot of people, yes so did Albanians. Whether you concider Serbs going into a village killing out innocent Albanians genocide or killing Albanians who committed genocide to move into that particular village genocide. It's all pretty irrelevant because the answer is yes to both, it did happen. Bottom line is Kosovo has always been apart of Serbia (yes I know Albanians had there brief moments in the spotlight of independence in the last couple of CENTURIES) But as with any other country, GET OVER IT! A nation of people does not always constitute grounds to be called a country. If thats the case then Iraq needs to rethink their constitution because Sunnis, Shiites, and Curds apparenty deserve their own piece of the pie as well.

billy

pre 17 godina

Hey Afrim,

Can you please explain this to confused people?

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061106/NEWS99/61106006/1008/NEWS06

Many thanks.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

Well Stephen, I am sorry to say that you sound very much like the people whose comments I am appalled by. Why don't you ask yourself, why is it not hard to blame a Serb. Well because the Serbian government led a campaing of oppression and killing against ethnic Albanians, after it took away their autonomy. That is why Kosovo deserves to be independent. And not because of something Ceku, or Kostunica says.

louie

pre 17 godina

It's getting hotter in here.I can see Mancunian is back and is very upset.I think Mick had to many pints already before writing his comments.And I can't believe the hatred from serbian people or half serbian towards kosovan albanian people.Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?! And to Stephen if you know so much about Kosovo,why you don't write a book rather then wasting your talent in here.Cheers.

genc

pre 17 godina

every independence is ILLEGALLY FUNDED, as independence always means breaking the existing juridical state. Just read the history of your country to see how "legally" your land deemed every independence's bid of all your colonies at the beginning.
If Albanian has become a by-word for criminality in your country, this under no circumstances assumes that Albanians are worse than the others, that they don't deserve what others have achieved ecc. No one seems now to remember that i.e. "Italian" was much worse in Western Europe 30 years ago than "Albanian" is now. And who knows who’s next. And before expressing such assertions, think about what a by-word your country's name may be in many countries of this planet.

The KLA being denounced (even by USA in spring 1998)as terrorist was part of a vast intelligency game, which made Milosevic commit his worst error: start the ethnical cleansing on a large scale pretending to fight a UN-terrorist qualified group.

As for Mr. Thaci, the Hague Tribunal is the only competent to judge about it, you may like it or not.

Noel Blackstone

pre 17 godina

To Anthony and Mick,

Everytime i read any such comments as yours i wonder why i wast my time reading these profoundly unfounded comments.... your style of propaganda is deemed to fail as did Milosevic and Sadam. I am proud that British has saved the Kosovars and are still present in Kosovo. Further they are the leading force along with Americans to settle the Kosovo status. Kosovo is to become the newest State in EU, and we should help them building their future Democratic State. Serbia must change its behaiviour as for your behaiviour, Sebastian said it all. Noel Blackstone, England

Bekim

pre 17 godina

The reaction to Thaci's comments again show the deep differences in opinion between Albanians and Serbs. Thaci's comments are in line with the majority's opinion in Kosova and should not be of any suprise.
To Branco: the fact that Thaci's party did not win the elections does not at all mean that Thaci is hated by most Albanians. That is an illogical conclusion. Thaci and the institution he came from, the Kosovo Liberation Army, are very well respected by the majority of Albanians in Kosova. They played a major role in Kosova's liberation from Serbia and are therefore held in high regard. The fact that another party won the elections is a matter of practicality and a normal instance for any democratic state. It shows which party the majority thinks can better govern Kosova.

sebastian

pre 17 godina

I just want to say that I am appalled by the Anti-Albanian racism prevalent in many posts here. It is shameful.

You read posts from ordinary Serbs here that are pretty correct, and that makes you feel good. But on the other hand, you read posts from non-Serbs who sound worse than Radical party (SRS) hardliners, and it makes you think about the future of humanity. Shame shame!

Stephen

pre 17 godina

Sebastian, apart from the majority of Albanians in Kosovo, I do believe there are at least 20% of educated Albanians who want the current administration out, however that ain’t gonna happen thanks to your government and mine. Believe you me sunshine after being a part of the security services in Kosovo and long departed - which most locals don’t have the luxury of doing, you my friend need a good lesson in what is right and wrong. The K/Albanian administration know exactly what they have done wrong and knew very well of the actions of Islamic extremists when they (KPC) sold cemtex to blow up parts of London in July 2005, trapping my fellow countrymen like rats in a cage. Is this maybe a case of “the dog biting the hand that feeds it”. In 1878 the Turks did not provide, from 1944 the Italians and Germans did not provide, from Tito’s time he did not provide and now NATO/UN, will not provide. This is not anti Albanian, I’m well aware that K/Albanians thru the decades fleed to other countries, because they would not join the KLA or some serb committed a crime. Please, Radical!!!! Agim Ceku tells the UN, if you don’t give us what we want, violence will erupt??? Who’s radical…If you have not been part of the mission, please keep quiet! I have, therefore I will express my disgust. REMEMBER, It’s always easy to blame it on a serb.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 17 godina

I do not know how Serbs can mention the 2004 riots without mentioning the 1999 war at all. In 2004, not even 40 people died, while in 1999 more than 11000 died. Of course now some serbs will deny that there were not 11000 dead people in 1999 but since the dear EDITOR is a SERB, he will allow serbs to say that ALbanians are terrorists and so on and so on, but when I say something that was said by a SERB leader, he deletes it because thats where the root of the whole problem is. Someone would guess what that root of the whole problem is, and I will mention it Again but the SERB editor will again delete it, because it will hurt him since after all he is a serb also.
Dobrica Cosic, the serb leader once said "The lie is the trait of our patriotism.We lie creatively, imaginatively, inventively.” Therefore, Dobrica Cosic himself, the ex serb leader, member of the serb academy of science and arts explains how Serbs simply LIE, explains how serbs try to change the stories, how serbs try to trick everyone else, he is a serb and he explained it himself how the serb propaganda works. Cosic is not an albanian leader accusing the serbs, but Cosic was a president of Serbia and member of Science academy. therefore Dear Editor, you dont really have to erase it because its not an accusation from the albanians but it is something said by the serb side for the serb side.
I understand that the so called equal EDITOR of this site can delete my message and will probably do so,even that it is not right at all to delete it since it only TELLS THE TRUTH, it only tells what the Serb leader said, it only tells the root of the cause, but if the EDITOR can delete it from here, he certainly can not delete it anywhere else and the voice of the truth is being heard worldwide except in the "democratic" b92.
I thought that B92 was somehow democratic, but when I see that they let the serbs accuse the albanian side of terrorism and so on, and they delete my messages of saying something that is said by a serb leader and that is simply the truth, then i realized that even B92 is just another tool that can be explained through the words of Dobrica Cosic...
Dear MR. EDITOR, you can either post it or erase it, it was my last time to write in B92 comments, you can live without me and I can live without you.
After all, it is better for us to just ignore what some serbs have to say in these comments, because nobody wants to listen the same lies again and again. If these lies did not do any good for you the serbs, they will not do any good for us either,so why bother.
It was nice writing until now, but lately i have seen things that i wish were not true. I was happy to see some democracy in B92, but i was only tricked. I thought that the words of Cosic would not apply to B92 "equal" editors, but I think that they explain the best of you since you are trying to act like a democracy but in fact your just pretending to do so, you are just something that is explained by the words of President Cosic.
Thank you very much and wish you the best.

THanks.

branco covic

pre 17 godina

mr thaci is incoherrent. he is hated by most kosovo albanians. thats why his party lost in the elections. therefore his comments are immaterial

Mick

pre 17 godina

My dear, everything is material in this world today. With regards to HT, he is an expendable asset to WEU interests, however, such interests continue and he is a relevent player. Imagine him has a future PM of Kosovo, a provocative thought wouldn't you agree! Free yourself of Kosovo's future and watch the end of an old movie and the beginning of a new one...self determination movements from Britain to the edges of Post satelite soviet states. Is anybody good at dominoes...I'm off for a beer!

Mick

pre 17 godina

What ever your thoughts are around the globe, be assured of one thing, a new chapter has opened for the EU in the Balkans...this fact is not DE FACTO. If there are any good security analysts out there, do research into the past actions against authorities in Kosovo and you will get a glimpse of the future. My advice in order not to saturate your brains with information, just researh thru Tito's time up to Milosevic, regarding the experiences of the security forces in Kosovo. Then add western military training techniques and there you go. cheers ears! my apologies to the serbian people, from good British folk.

Mick

pre 17 godina

Well HT, you're right about no sequal to march 2004 events, but one thing is known, exaggerated or not, your wahabbist foot soldier friends and Albanian left overs (with Pecolli & Iranian funding) will commit to crimes against EU and other allied security forces, from which yourself, RH and AC will express extreme denial. The PISG has lost momentum…choose your future wisely!

Sidi

pre 17 godina

Thaci is talking about the DE FACTO situation in Kosovo. And he is absolutely right. Serbia has no de facto control of Kosovo in ANY WAY AT ALL. It does not affect it's economic/foreign/internal/customs or any other policy. All is controlled by the UNMIK. So from Serbia, Kosovo has indeed been independent since 1999. Now I know that does not sit very well with the Serbian readers in here, but it is the truth whether you like to admit it or not.

jeju

pre 17 godina

"“The Kosovo Liberation Amy was not a criminal organization, it did not commit any crimes, and there is no Kosovo Albanian who deserves to be in The Hague.” Thaci said, adding that the investigation the Hague Tribunal is conducting into crimes allegedly committed by Kosovo Albanians against Serb civilians represents a poor decision on the part of the court."

Talk about getting a reality check, what's this guy on?

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

I would also like to add that my comment has been heavily censured by the powers that be at B92.

I denouce Thaci as a liar and thug with blood on his hands.

Can a man who claims that the 2004 pogrom wasn't as racially motivated as was claimed really be expected to lead a country in Europe???

I stand by my comment. It is not rascist or ill informed. Thace is a liar and a thug.

Michael

pre 17 godina

All around the world, people have disputes with their neighbours. I really feel sorry for the Serbian people, they clearly have the most horrible neighbours imaginable.

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

The UN, in 1998, denounced the KLA as a terrorist organisation funded by drugs and prostitution.

If independence was gained in 1999 or is to be gained in the future it has been funded illegally. Scotland Yard will support my notion as Albanian gangs have gained contol of nearly every red light district in the UK. The word Albanian has become a by-word for crime and illegal activity in the UK.

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

The UN, in 1998, denounced the KLA as a terrorist organisation funded by drugs and prostitution.

If independence was gained in 1999 or is to be gained in the future it has been funded illegally. Scotland Yard will support my notion as Albanian gangs have gained contol of nearly every red light district in the UK. The word Albanian has become a by-word for crime and illegal activity in the UK.

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

I would also like to add that my comment has been heavily censured by the powers that be at B92.

I denouce Thaci as a liar and thug with blood on his hands.

Can a man who claims that the 2004 pogrom wasn't as racially motivated as was claimed really be expected to lead a country in Europe???

I stand by my comment. It is not rascist or ill informed. Thace is a liar and a thug.

Michael

pre 17 godina

All around the world, people have disputes with their neighbours. I really feel sorry for the Serbian people, they clearly have the most horrible neighbours imaginable.

jeju

pre 17 godina

"“The Kosovo Liberation Amy was not a criminal organization, it did not commit any crimes, and there is no Kosovo Albanian who deserves to be in The Hague.” Thaci said, adding that the investigation the Hague Tribunal is conducting into crimes allegedly committed by Kosovo Albanians against Serb civilians represents a poor decision on the part of the court."

Talk about getting a reality check, what's this guy on?

Mick

pre 17 godina

Well HT, you're right about no sequal to march 2004 events, but one thing is known, exaggerated or not, your wahabbist foot soldier friends and Albanian left overs (with Pecolli & Iranian funding) will commit to crimes against EU and other allied security forces, from which yourself, RH and AC will express extreme denial. The PISG has lost momentum…choose your future wisely!

Sidi

pre 17 godina

Thaci is talking about the DE FACTO situation in Kosovo. And he is absolutely right. Serbia has no de facto control of Kosovo in ANY WAY AT ALL. It does not affect it's economic/foreign/internal/customs or any other policy. All is controlled by the UNMIK. So from Serbia, Kosovo has indeed been independent since 1999. Now I know that does not sit very well with the Serbian readers in here, but it is the truth whether you like to admit it or not.

Mick

pre 17 godina

What ever your thoughts are around the globe, be assured of one thing, a new chapter has opened for the EU in the Balkans...this fact is not DE FACTO. If there are any good security analysts out there, do research into the past actions against authorities in Kosovo and you will get a glimpse of the future. My advice in order not to saturate your brains with information, just researh thru Tito's time up to Milosevic, regarding the experiences of the security forces in Kosovo. Then add western military training techniques and there you go. cheers ears! my apologies to the serbian people, from good British folk.

branco covic

pre 17 godina

mr thaci is incoherrent. he is hated by most kosovo albanians. thats why his party lost in the elections. therefore his comments are immaterial

Mick

pre 17 godina

My dear, everything is material in this world today. With regards to HT, he is an expendable asset to WEU interests, however, such interests continue and he is a relevent player. Imagine him has a future PM of Kosovo, a provocative thought wouldn't you agree! Free yourself of Kosovo's future and watch the end of an old movie and the beginning of a new one...self determination movements from Britain to the edges of Post satelite soviet states. Is anybody good at dominoes...I'm off for a beer!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 17 godina

I do not know how Serbs can mention the 2004 riots without mentioning the 1999 war at all. In 2004, not even 40 people died, while in 1999 more than 11000 died. Of course now some serbs will deny that there were not 11000 dead people in 1999 but since the dear EDITOR is a SERB, he will allow serbs to say that ALbanians are terrorists and so on and so on, but when I say something that was said by a SERB leader, he deletes it because thats where the root of the whole problem is. Someone would guess what that root of the whole problem is, and I will mention it Again but the SERB editor will again delete it, because it will hurt him since after all he is a serb also.
Dobrica Cosic, the serb leader once said "The lie is the trait of our patriotism.We lie creatively, imaginatively, inventively.” Therefore, Dobrica Cosic himself, the ex serb leader, member of the serb academy of science and arts explains how Serbs simply LIE, explains how serbs try to change the stories, how serbs try to trick everyone else, he is a serb and he explained it himself how the serb propaganda works. Cosic is not an albanian leader accusing the serbs, but Cosic was a president of Serbia and member of Science academy. therefore Dear Editor, you dont really have to erase it because its not an accusation from the albanians but it is something said by the serb side for the serb side.
I understand that the so called equal EDITOR of this site can delete my message and will probably do so,even that it is not right at all to delete it since it only TELLS THE TRUTH, it only tells what the Serb leader said, it only tells the root of the cause, but if the EDITOR can delete it from here, he certainly can not delete it anywhere else and the voice of the truth is being heard worldwide except in the "democratic" b92.
I thought that B92 was somehow democratic, but when I see that they let the serbs accuse the albanian side of terrorism and so on, and they delete my messages of saying something that is said by a serb leader and that is simply the truth, then i realized that even B92 is just another tool that can be explained through the words of Dobrica Cosic...
Dear MR. EDITOR, you can either post it or erase it, it was my last time to write in B92 comments, you can live without me and I can live without you.
After all, it is better for us to just ignore what some serbs have to say in these comments, because nobody wants to listen the same lies again and again. If these lies did not do any good for you the serbs, they will not do any good for us either,so why bother.
It was nice writing until now, but lately i have seen things that i wish were not true. I was happy to see some democracy in B92, but i was only tricked. I thought that the words of Cosic would not apply to B92 "equal" editors, but I think that they explain the best of you since you are trying to act like a democracy but in fact your just pretending to do so, you are just something that is explained by the words of President Cosic.
Thank you very much and wish you the best.

THanks.

sebastian

pre 17 godina

I just want to say that I am appalled by the Anti-Albanian racism prevalent in many posts here. It is shameful.

You read posts from ordinary Serbs here that are pretty correct, and that makes you feel good. But on the other hand, you read posts from non-Serbs who sound worse than Radical party (SRS) hardliners, and it makes you think about the future of humanity. Shame shame!

Stephen

pre 17 godina

Sebastian, apart from the majority of Albanians in Kosovo, I do believe there are at least 20% of educated Albanians who want the current administration out, however that ain’t gonna happen thanks to your government and mine. Believe you me sunshine after being a part of the security services in Kosovo and long departed - which most locals don’t have the luxury of doing, you my friend need a good lesson in what is right and wrong. The K/Albanian administration know exactly what they have done wrong and knew very well of the actions of Islamic extremists when they (KPC) sold cemtex to blow up parts of London in July 2005, trapping my fellow countrymen like rats in a cage. Is this maybe a case of “the dog biting the hand that feeds it”. In 1878 the Turks did not provide, from 1944 the Italians and Germans did not provide, from Tito’s time he did not provide and now NATO/UN, will not provide. This is not anti Albanian, I’m well aware that K/Albanians thru the decades fleed to other countries, because they would not join the KLA or some serb committed a crime. Please, Radical!!!! Agim Ceku tells the UN, if you don’t give us what we want, violence will erupt??? Who’s radical…If you have not been part of the mission, please keep quiet! I have, therefore I will express my disgust. REMEMBER, It’s always easy to blame it on a serb.

Noel Blackstone

pre 17 godina

To Anthony and Mick,

Everytime i read any such comments as yours i wonder why i wast my time reading these profoundly unfounded comments.... your style of propaganda is deemed to fail as did Milosevic and Sadam. I am proud that British has saved the Kosovars and are still present in Kosovo. Further they are the leading force along with Americans to settle the Kosovo status. Kosovo is to become the newest State in EU, and we should help them building their future Democratic State. Serbia must change its behaiviour as for your behaiviour, Sebastian said it all. Noel Blackstone, England

Bekim

pre 17 godina

The reaction to Thaci's comments again show the deep differences in opinion between Albanians and Serbs. Thaci's comments are in line with the majority's opinion in Kosova and should not be of any suprise.
To Branco: the fact that Thaci's party did not win the elections does not at all mean that Thaci is hated by most Albanians. That is an illogical conclusion. Thaci and the institution he came from, the Kosovo Liberation Army, are very well respected by the majority of Albanians in Kosova. They played a major role in Kosova's liberation from Serbia and are therefore held in high regard. The fact that another party won the elections is a matter of practicality and a normal instance for any democratic state. It shows which party the majority thinks can better govern Kosova.

louie

pre 17 godina

It's getting hotter in here.I can see Mancunian is back and is very upset.I think Mick had to many pints already before writing his comments.And I can't believe the hatred from serbian people or half serbian towards kosovan albanian people.Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?! And to Stephen if you know so much about Kosovo,why you don't write a book rather then wasting your talent in here.Cheers.

genc

pre 17 godina

every independence is ILLEGALLY FUNDED, as independence always means breaking the existing juridical state. Just read the history of your country to see how "legally" your land deemed every independence's bid of all your colonies at the beginning.
If Albanian has become a by-word for criminality in your country, this under no circumstances assumes that Albanians are worse than the others, that they don't deserve what others have achieved ecc. No one seems now to remember that i.e. "Italian" was much worse in Western Europe 30 years ago than "Albanian" is now. And who knows who’s next. And before expressing such assertions, think about what a by-word your country's name may be in many countries of this planet.

The KLA being denounced (even by USA in spring 1998)as terrorist was part of a vast intelligency game, which made Milosevic commit his worst error: start the ethnical cleansing on a large scale pretending to fight a UN-terrorist qualified group.

As for Mr. Thaci, the Hague Tribunal is the only competent to judge about it, you may like it or not.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

Well Stephen, I am sorry to say that you sound very much like the people whose comments I am appalled by. Why don't you ask yourself, why is it not hard to blame a Serb. Well because the Serbian government led a campaing of oppression and killing against ethnic Albanians, after it took away their autonomy. That is why Kosovo deserves to be independent. And not because of something Ceku, or Kostunica says.

billy

pre 17 godina

Hey Afrim,

Can you please explain this to confused people?

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061106/NEWS99/61106006/1008/NEWS06

Many thanks.

jer

pre 17 godina

Yes, Serbs killed a lot of people, yes so did Albanians. Whether you concider Serbs going into a village killing out innocent Albanians genocide or killing Albanians who committed genocide to move into that particular village genocide. It's all pretty irrelevant because the answer is yes to both, it did happen. Bottom line is Kosovo has always been apart of Serbia (yes I know Albanians had there brief moments in the spotlight of independence in the last couple of CENTURIES) But as with any other country, GET OVER IT! A nation of people does not always constitute grounds to be called a country. If thats the case then Iraq needs to rethink their constitution because Sunnis, Shiites, and Curds apparenty deserve their own piece of the pie as well.

Agnes Bertrand

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hocha,

Afrim you did a good thing! You are absolutely right about so-called editors of B92. They tricked me as well into believing that here is the only place in Serbia where you'd find some form of democracy, or should I say a place to freely express one's opinion. I was wrong!!!!!! Democracy of expression in this site is only for those who relentlessly advance Anti-Albanian campaign. Any powerful argument that portrays the truth of Serbian instigated wars in Balkans, will simply be altered, censored or not be published at all.

Don't be fooled by Serbian "Democracy," Serbian people have never had in the past, nor will ever have the nature for democracy. If it weren't in the economic slump, do you really believe they would talk about EU? They would rather try to eradicate Albanian race from Balkans, assimilate Hungarians, and who knows else. Serbia is simply not made for EU. I assume EU countries know what a big headache would be to have Serbia as a member state. Like Russians, they'll never agree to anything. And if they do, It will be like Milosevic's capitulation!

Remember Tito! At the beginning of his campaign against Nazis, he used hit and run terroristic tactics. He had to in those circumstances, and was hero for Serbians until he died. KLA did the same against Milosevic's oppressive military machine, and I am sure some of them are considered heros for Albanian people. Why shouldn't they?

Cheers,

Agnes Bertrand,

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ louie
"Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?!"

The Serbian government is after a compromise, fully autonomy, everything up to, but not including autonomy.
Why don't the albanians consider the Serb population as "human beings". They're willing to give up everything, yet you can't move a budge from 'we want independence, OR ELSE!"

Mick & Stephen

pre 17 godina

Noel and Sebastian - this is my last comment for my first time on blog sites. By jove its been interesting to read a variation of thoughts. Well, with regards to writing a book, I won't, at least not yet, but many are getting ready for publishing. If people need books to understand the present, then please read from all sides, no wonder this world is falling apart. If one can not see thru his/her eyes and analyse with the brain that allah or Jesus or Buddha etc, gave them, then I would suggest to live a little and stop counting on the grand Information and Media Operations of BBC and CNN, albeit, they are a good window of what their respective governments are cooking up.

Books are good, especially the historical ones, history provides a idea of what to expect from our leaders in the future, and helps a good analyst to write and provoke a thought or two. People from West to East rely on their Political leadership, who take on history as their platform, unfortunately, a great example being Tony Blair, they become overwhelmed with their status and claim God advises them. Well God ain’t here, he’s watching human beings carry on with destroying each other with their gracious “I want more attitude”. We live in a greedy and capitalistic society, some call it Democracy, I call it robbery. So, N & S please shed a thought for the hundreds of grass root communities of all ethnicities in Kosovo who were killed, raped and tortured by KLA, even after NATO/UN arrival for not joining the cause. Its not about Albanians in general, its about the sick cancerous administration that governs them.

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ Afrim Hoxha

According to Reporters Without Borders, Serbia's press freedom is ranked number 45 in the world, while Albania is all the way down at number 80. Food for thought!

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dearest Agnes,

Who told you that Tito was a hero to the Serbian people??? Yes, there were some commies (just like in Albania and elsewhere), but Serbs are generally [very fiercely] anti-communist. Tito was a hero to the commies, not to Serbs.

If Tito were such a hero, then why were all the places he re-named after himself changed back to their original names? Why were so many parodies (in the form of movies) made criticizing his legacy?

Please remember that he was a dictator who maintained power through the traditional strong-arm means (murders, abductions, torture, etc.). There was a significant brain-drain as people ran out of the country after he took power after WWII.

I just hope that his tomb will soon be disassembled and incinerated, but it does have some historical value.

Joe

pre 17 godina

Hey Stephan,
The KLA have not been around for Decades as you claim but (active) from 1997-1999. Where do you obtain your information from inregards to the KPC selling explosives for international terror?
The Serbian WIDEWEB!
Try CNN like this article for you...MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A Madrid train bombing suspect wanted on an international warrant since last year has been arrested in Serbia where he was carrying forged Iraqi documents, Spain's Interior Ministry said Wednesday.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dear Joe,

Here is a link to the article you describe:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4159946.stm

This terror suspect fled Madrid via train. With false documentation, he got as far as Serbia, but he was likely on his way to Kosovo. Cheers to the Serbian authorities for the capture that other countries didn't succeed in executing.

Vic

pre 17 godina

It clearly shows that certain Albanians and KLA believe that all of the illegal and criminal things that Albanians did to the Serbs and Roma are not criminal. It shows these people are not capable of having remorse, where as when you make a mistake you admit it just as Serbs have done by overthrowing Milosevic. Most Albanians believe that they are completely innocent or at least they act like it, in unison. If Albanians do not admit that they have done wrong which it does not seem they will do since the govt of Kosovo is worse than that of Milosevic it will be hard for Kosovo to really protect minorities and integrate into EU which leads one to believe that this push for Kosovo independence is not a push for a better future but rather for the control of land and for the vision of Greater Albania.

Agim Elshani

pre 17 godina

Jimbo; You said that : "likely he was on his way to Kosova". If he was using forged Irak documents, rest assured that he friend of Serbia, because Serbia had close ties with Saddam Hysein.
Vic; Serbia overthrow Miloshevic, it is not true Serbia was pressured to arrrest him and hand it over to Hague. I am still waitting an appolegy and show remorse from serbia proper for the crimes they have committed since 1990 in all former Yug.
Republics.
KLA were freedom fighters no more no less.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Agim,

You are grossly mistaken. Milosevic may have been friends with Saddam, but not the Serbs. This relationship (zlobo + saddam) was a throwback to Tito's friendship with Saddam during the illegal commie administration. If you remember, Tito (who was not a serb) built Saddam's famous underground bunkers.

It is well documented that the flow of these terror individuals is through Bosnia (5 of the 11 9-11 bombers were veterans of the Bosnian war--clearly on the 'Bosniak' side) and Kosovo. Why doesn't the Kosovo administration do more to stop the transit of these people to europe and beyond? Maybe we should spend more time posting links to these articles on this website.

"Rest assured he was a friend of Serbia" is clearly an attempt at an early revisionism. Why would he be arrested and so efficiently extradited? What evidence do you have of this friendship? My evidence is that he was caught and extradited. What evidence do you have that he was sheltered by Belgrade?

Also, what would have been a better way for this Iraqi to get to Kosovo than the direct route? Was he supposed to go around at an expense of hundreds of miles of travel? Why wasn't he stopped at any other country? Is he also friends with other countries? Or is it that only this man's friends can arrest him?

It is also documented (BBC) that the Madrid bombing suspects had ties to kosovo albanian drug dealers.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Jimbo,
Were in the world do you get your information from?? Please tell were have you read that 5 of the 911 bombers fought in kosovo, what a croack of nonsense.
PS.. also please provide the link to the "BBC" articles confirming you claim that Madrid bomobings connected to "albanian Drug Dealers" Because I couldn't find it, or was it your own BBC,AKA. TANJUG Propaganda.
This is what I found connected to Drug Gangs and Terror:

Serb gangs in UK fund terror
By Rajeev Syal and David Bamber

New Scotland Yard

Invincible sails in as UK doubles war effort
SERBIAN gangsters in Britain are involved in smuggling drugs and laundering money to fund militia groups in the Balkans, according to a Scotland Yard report.

The 30-page paper, seen by The Telegraph, says the security services have been monitoring the activities of a Balkan underworld in west London which is filtering money back to Yugoslavia for paramilitaries operating in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia.

The report, An Outline of the Threat and Impact by Organised and Enterprise Crime upon the UK, was written by intelligence officers within the Metropolitan Police and has been seen by operatives in the National Crime Intelligence Service and MI5.

It will intensify the calls for a clampdown on Serbian interests operating in the capital. The security services are already monitoring community groups in west London after a call to arms by Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbian president.

The report states that Serbian and Croatian gangs in Paddington and Shepherd's Bush are involved in importing drugs and "cleaning" drug money for other underworld gangs. Profits made by the gang are sent home to support militia groups which control "no-go" areas in Serbia and Croatia.

"Continuation of the spasmodic Serbian and Croatian skirmishing and the Bosnian civil war is in the interests of this grouping," states the report. "Their activities are on an international scale, with associates in Germany and the Low Countries."

The report says the gang aligns itself with the Serbian nationalist cause. "This group serves as an example of political terrorism. Whilst maintaining its ideological cause it is shading off into international organised criminal activity. The gangs are operating within the black markets of their homelands and transferring their practices to Britain."

A massive Serbian black market in weapons, petrol, cigarettes, alcohol and stolen cars has become the power base of Serbia's ruling class, according to economists. The tightening of sanctions since last year means that Yugoslavia has debts of £10 billion, and black marketeering with foreign neighbours including Italy and Russia has been encouraged by the government. Mr Milosevic is also believed to have close ties with Serbian gangsters.

The report was compiled during the Bosnian conflict, and is being used today as background by anti-terrorist officers monitoring the activity of Serbs. The activity of Serbs in the US has also come under scrutiny by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Drugs Enforcement Agency.

Over the past two weeks some Serbs have presented themselves in London and at the main ports, claiming to be fleeing conscription or deserting the army.

Some of these people are genuine, but immigration officials fear others may be attempting to enter the country for other, illegal purposes.

Xhevat

Jer

pre 17 godina

KLA, Freedom Fighters? Sure I can see that but I really don't think is has the tame tone that was ment. Congo had freedom fighters, Nigeria too. By the way, Taliban. Yep they too catagorise themsleves the same as the KLA. ALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And as I said Serb are no MORE guilty when it comes to attrocities committed in former Jugoslavia. Everyone had their fair share murder. What encouraged half of attracities and seperations were trigger happy fractions supported illegally by other nations.

Max

pre 17 godina

If i might add to Jimbo's comments, some of the explosives used in the Madrid bombings came directly from Kosovo

http://kosovonewsandviews.blogspot.com/2006/01/ignore-at-peril-growing-cauldron-of.html

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate:

Your article is irrelevant, as it discusses people who Milosevic funded. What year is this article from??? It's gotta be at least 10 years old.

This information, although probably accurate w.r.t. the laundering activities, was clearly used as a propaganda tool to turn public opinion in the UK against Milosevic. So, I fail to see how Milosevic's link to organized crime has anything to do with the Madrid bombings.

Thanks for the post Max.

Also, if you read my post a bit more carefully, you'll notice that I didn't say that the 9-11 bombers fought in Kosovo.

They were probably starting families in Bosna at that time.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimba,
The article was from 1999 when Serbian war machine was running rampid with blood to their elbows in kosovo.
I have read your above post clearly and you seem to use the old communist tricks. If they (911 terrorist) fought in Bosnia why would it mean that they supported Kosovo, The Kosovo and Bosnia conflicts were apples and oranges. We all Know (international) that!! So while Arabs had played a role in forming Mujahadeen brigades in Bosnia, This is Far from the case in Kosovo and with the KLA!! So DO NOT try linking the two! The relevant internaional community knows this. They also know there were a large number of catholic Albanian in the KLA as well, No religiuos ever issues existed with in the ranks of the KLA.

One more thing JimboA, You still have'nt sent us your "BBC" link on your "Documented" Kosovo/Madrid link...
Still waiting.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimboa,
I will try posting the artical "Serbia saddam Alliance one more time.

The Saddam-Serbia Alliance
By Stephen Schwartz
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 28, 2002

A new, but actually old, member of a broader axis of totalitarian evil has reemerged from the shadows. Post-Milosevic Yugoslavia has been caught shipping military equipment to Iraq in violation of international sanctions against Saddam Hussein. For some of us, the arrangement between Belgrade and Baghdad is old news. But it has its shocking aspect: this alliance between two forms of fascism was partly set up by a Communist remnant, the Yugoslav United Left (JUL), headed by Mira Markovic, Milosevic's wife. JUL has a representative, Borisa Vukovic, working in Baghdad as an adviser to Saddam's oldest son, Odai. However, the wheels were further greased - by blood, one might say - thanks to the JUL's fascist allies in the Serbian Radical Party (SRS). SRS members frequently travel to Iraq, just as Ramsey Clark and the puppets of the so-called International ANSWER have done.

The real shocker here will be known to few Americans. The Serbian Radical Party is the most extreme anti-Muslim party in Yugoslavia. Its creator, Vojislav Seselj, is a former Yugoslav dissident - once a poster boy for the human rights profession and a guest lecturer at a leading American university. Seselj, who was homosexually raped while imprisoned in Belgrade, was driven insane by that experience, and became the most violent of all the Serb throat-cutter politicians. Seselj and SRS are directly responsible for the martyrdom of thousands of Muslim children, women, old people, and other innocents in the Balkans. Seselj and SRS enjoy substantial support from Kosovo Serbs.

The first question for the U.S. "peace movement" is: How can Saddam posture as a defender of Islam when he maintains an alliance with the people responsible for the worst massacre of Muslims in recent times?

More important is the next question: how can the Wahhabi lobby in America - the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the American Muslim Council (AMC), the Muslim Political Action Council (MPAC), etc., under the phony banner of "peace," advocate for Saddam and his regime?

The Wahhabi lobby has endorsed "anti-war" demonstrations called by Ramsey Clark's Mickey Maoist cronies. International ANSWER is an ultra-Stalinist network that parallels the axis of terror, in serving as active propaganda agents for Serbia, Iraq, and North Korea, as well as Cuba, countries they repeatedly visit and acclaim.
Of course, Serbian fascism has its die-hard admirers in the U.S., disproportionately found among Stalinists and the kind of folks who write to certain knuckle-dragger websites with screen-names like "Honorary Serb." The JUL of Mira Markovic has inter-party relations with numerous Communist Parties around the world, and propaganda in its favor is frequently published in the People's Weekly World, the Communist equivalent of the Weekly World News. Since 9/11, blogs have been clogged with declamations by fake American patriots who believe Milosevic was a hero in the struggle against al-Qaida.

According to these boneheads, if you're not for Serbian Islamophobia, you're not a good American. The trash that cheers when Macedonian Slavs kill Albanians say that some day the Albanians will show their true colors and attack American troops in the Balkans. Those who believe in such fairytales have a long, long time to wait. Albanians love America and will never desert our cause; Albanians will, if possible, be the first to volunteer to fight against Saddam on the ground. Meanwhile, however, primitives whose hatred of Bill Clinton led them to praise Serbia's phony military prowess during the Kosovo intervention remain loyal to the Belgrade butcher. These witless web warriors continue to salivate at Milosevic's propaganda about his allegedly superior weapons technology, even as they claim to support action against Saddam.

jimboa

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate,

You are quoting Front Page Magazine??? It's like reading the onion (if you are familiar). Ok, well, here is an article from the same publication, but a newer article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15577

This article, since it is newer than yours, must displace the article you posted.

I would encourage the readers to go to the magazine's search page

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Search/advanced.asp

and type in some leaning key words, to see for themselves how credible this source really is. Nobody is innocent, or righteous, good, or even smells nice, except for the contributing authors. I would tend to agree with the magazine on this point, except when it comes to their contributing authors.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Xhevat,
The so called Ironically named Kosovo Liberation Army has documented links with Al-Qaeda and the only reason America pulls wool over the eyes of the world on this fact is because it doesn't want to upset Saudi Arabia, and ultimately oil prices in America. Brainstorm this for a while and then you will gain the skill of reading between the lines.

Borci

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hoxa and Sebastian,

Guys, please use your freedom of speech, but you cannot acuse us Serbs of Bias because we write what we think. We are an honest people and honest people like nothing better than hearin your researched arguments and in regards to racist comments I agree, they should not be posted.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

To Brica, jimboa, Stephan. Please show us the source of your "documented link" of the KLA with Al-Qaida. I will bet its one of your Anti-American Left-wing Commi-Socialist website like the one reffereed to in the above article.
So let me get this straight..your analogy of the whole American support of the Kosovars and the KLA is that America doesn't want to anger Saudi Arabia and keep oil price down on behalf of American/KLA friendship or vice versa. Are you serious? Thats got to be the funnist thing I have heard in regards to American support of Kosovo.
If thats your argument then you should get a "Read between the lines lesson 101". If the USA says that the final status would have to be accepted by the majority. What do you think that means "Between The Lines"!
With that said, I close my argument cause frankly I don't have the time and interest to argue the Lost cause of the "Serbian Craddle" with you.

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

The UN, in 1998, denounced the KLA as a terrorist organisation funded by drugs and prostitution.

If independence was gained in 1999 or is to be gained in the future it has been funded illegally. Scotland Yard will support my notion as Albanian gangs have gained contol of nearly every red light district in the UK. The word Albanian has become a by-word for crime and illegal activity in the UK.

Anthony Shelmerdine

pre 17 godina

I would also like to add that my comment has been heavily censured by the powers that be at B92.

I denouce Thaci as a liar and thug with blood on his hands.

Can a man who claims that the 2004 pogrom wasn't as racially motivated as was claimed really be expected to lead a country in Europe???

I stand by my comment. It is not rascist or ill informed. Thace is a liar and a thug.

Michael

pre 17 godina

All around the world, people have disputes with their neighbours. I really feel sorry for the Serbian people, they clearly have the most horrible neighbours imaginable.

jeju

pre 17 godina

"“The Kosovo Liberation Amy was not a criminal organization, it did not commit any crimes, and there is no Kosovo Albanian who deserves to be in The Hague.” Thaci said, adding that the investigation the Hague Tribunal is conducting into crimes allegedly committed by Kosovo Albanians against Serb civilians represents a poor decision on the part of the court."

Talk about getting a reality check, what's this guy on?

Mick

pre 17 godina

Well HT, you're right about no sequal to march 2004 events, but one thing is known, exaggerated or not, your wahabbist foot soldier friends and Albanian left overs (with Pecolli & Iranian funding) will commit to crimes against EU and other allied security forces, from which yourself, RH and AC will express extreme denial. The PISG has lost momentum…choose your future wisely!

Sidi

pre 17 godina

Thaci is talking about the DE FACTO situation in Kosovo. And he is absolutely right. Serbia has no de facto control of Kosovo in ANY WAY AT ALL. It does not affect it's economic/foreign/internal/customs or any other policy. All is controlled by the UNMIK. So from Serbia, Kosovo has indeed been independent since 1999. Now I know that does not sit very well with the Serbian readers in here, but it is the truth whether you like to admit it or not.

Mick

pre 17 godina

What ever your thoughts are around the globe, be assured of one thing, a new chapter has opened for the EU in the Balkans...this fact is not DE FACTO. If there are any good security analysts out there, do research into the past actions against authorities in Kosovo and you will get a glimpse of the future. My advice in order not to saturate your brains with information, just researh thru Tito's time up to Milosevic, regarding the experiences of the security forces in Kosovo. Then add western military training techniques and there you go. cheers ears! my apologies to the serbian people, from good British folk.

branco covic

pre 17 godina

mr thaci is incoherrent. he is hated by most kosovo albanians. thats why his party lost in the elections. therefore his comments are immaterial

Mick

pre 17 godina

My dear, everything is material in this world today. With regards to HT, he is an expendable asset to WEU interests, however, such interests continue and he is a relevent player. Imagine him has a future PM of Kosovo, a provocative thought wouldn't you agree! Free yourself of Kosovo's future and watch the end of an old movie and the beginning of a new one...self determination movements from Britain to the edges of Post satelite soviet states. Is anybody good at dominoes...I'm off for a beer!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 17 godina

I do not know how Serbs can mention the 2004 riots without mentioning the 1999 war at all. In 2004, not even 40 people died, while in 1999 more than 11000 died. Of course now some serbs will deny that there were not 11000 dead people in 1999 but since the dear EDITOR is a SERB, he will allow serbs to say that ALbanians are terrorists and so on and so on, but when I say something that was said by a SERB leader, he deletes it because thats where the root of the whole problem is. Someone would guess what that root of the whole problem is, and I will mention it Again but the SERB editor will again delete it, because it will hurt him since after all he is a serb also.
Dobrica Cosic, the serb leader once said "The lie is the trait of our patriotism.We lie creatively, imaginatively, inventively.” Therefore, Dobrica Cosic himself, the ex serb leader, member of the serb academy of science and arts explains how Serbs simply LIE, explains how serbs try to change the stories, how serbs try to trick everyone else, he is a serb and he explained it himself how the serb propaganda works. Cosic is not an albanian leader accusing the serbs, but Cosic was a president of Serbia and member of Science academy. therefore Dear Editor, you dont really have to erase it because its not an accusation from the albanians but it is something said by the serb side for the serb side.
I understand that the so called equal EDITOR of this site can delete my message and will probably do so,even that it is not right at all to delete it since it only TELLS THE TRUTH, it only tells what the Serb leader said, it only tells the root of the cause, but if the EDITOR can delete it from here, he certainly can not delete it anywhere else and the voice of the truth is being heard worldwide except in the "democratic" b92.
I thought that B92 was somehow democratic, but when I see that they let the serbs accuse the albanian side of terrorism and so on, and they delete my messages of saying something that is said by a serb leader and that is simply the truth, then i realized that even B92 is just another tool that can be explained through the words of Dobrica Cosic...
Dear MR. EDITOR, you can either post it or erase it, it was my last time to write in B92 comments, you can live without me and I can live without you.
After all, it is better for us to just ignore what some serbs have to say in these comments, because nobody wants to listen the same lies again and again. If these lies did not do any good for you the serbs, they will not do any good for us either,so why bother.
It was nice writing until now, but lately i have seen things that i wish were not true. I was happy to see some democracy in B92, but i was only tricked. I thought that the words of Cosic would not apply to B92 "equal" editors, but I think that they explain the best of you since you are trying to act like a democracy but in fact your just pretending to do so, you are just something that is explained by the words of President Cosic.
Thank you very much and wish you the best.

THanks.

sebastian

pre 17 godina

I just want to say that I am appalled by the Anti-Albanian racism prevalent in many posts here. It is shameful.

You read posts from ordinary Serbs here that are pretty correct, and that makes you feel good. But on the other hand, you read posts from non-Serbs who sound worse than Radical party (SRS) hardliners, and it makes you think about the future of humanity. Shame shame!

Stephen

pre 17 godina

Sebastian, apart from the majority of Albanians in Kosovo, I do believe there are at least 20% of educated Albanians who want the current administration out, however that ain’t gonna happen thanks to your government and mine. Believe you me sunshine after being a part of the security services in Kosovo and long departed - which most locals don’t have the luxury of doing, you my friend need a good lesson in what is right and wrong. The K/Albanian administration know exactly what they have done wrong and knew very well of the actions of Islamic extremists when they (KPC) sold cemtex to blow up parts of London in July 2005, trapping my fellow countrymen like rats in a cage. Is this maybe a case of “the dog biting the hand that feeds it”. In 1878 the Turks did not provide, from 1944 the Italians and Germans did not provide, from Tito’s time he did not provide and now NATO/UN, will not provide. This is not anti Albanian, I’m well aware that K/Albanians thru the decades fleed to other countries, because they would not join the KLA or some serb committed a crime. Please, Radical!!!! Agim Ceku tells the UN, if you don’t give us what we want, violence will erupt??? Who’s radical…If you have not been part of the mission, please keep quiet! I have, therefore I will express my disgust. REMEMBER, It’s always easy to blame it on a serb.

Noel Blackstone

pre 17 godina

To Anthony and Mick,

Everytime i read any such comments as yours i wonder why i wast my time reading these profoundly unfounded comments.... your style of propaganda is deemed to fail as did Milosevic and Sadam. I am proud that British has saved the Kosovars and are still present in Kosovo. Further they are the leading force along with Americans to settle the Kosovo status. Kosovo is to become the newest State in EU, and we should help them building their future Democratic State. Serbia must change its behaiviour as for your behaiviour, Sebastian said it all. Noel Blackstone, England

Bekim

pre 17 godina

The reaction to Thaci's comments again show the deep differences in opinion between Albanians and Serbs. Thaci's comments are in line with the majority's opinion in Kosova and should not be of any suprise.
To Branco: the fact that Thaci's party did not win the elections does not at all mean that Thaci is hated by most Albanians. That is an illogical conclusion. Thaci and the institution he came from, the Kosovo Liberation Army, are very well respected by the majority of Albanians in Kosova. They played a major role in Kosova's liberation from Serbia and are therefore held in high regard. The fact that another party won the elections is a matter of practicality and a normal instance for any democratic state. It shows which party the majority thinks can better govern Kosova.

louie

pre 17 godina

It's getting hotter in here.I can see Mancunian is back and is very upset.I think Mick had to many pints already before writing his comments.And I can't believe the hatred from serbian people or half serbian towards kosovan albanian people.Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?! And to Stephen if you know so much about Kosovo,why you don't write a book rather then wasting your talent in here.Cheers.

genc

pre 17 godina

every independence is ILLEGALLY FUNDED, as independence always means breaking the existing juridical state. Just read the history of your country to see how "legally" your land deemed every independence's bid of all your colonies at the beginning.
If Albanian has become a by-word for criminality in your country, this under no circumstances assumes that Albanians are worse than the others, that they don't deserve what others have achieved ecc. No one seems now to remember that i.e. "Italian" was much worse in Western Europe 30 years ago than "Albanian" is now. And who knows who’s next. And before expressing such assertions, think about what a by-word your country's name may be in many countries of this planet.

The KLA being denounced (even by USA in spring 1998)as terrorist was part of a vast intelligency game, which made Milosevic commit his worst error: start the ethnical cleansing on a large scale pretending to fight a UN-terrorist qualified group.

As for Mr. Thaci, the Hague Tribunal is the only competent to judge about it, you may like it or not.

Sebastian

pre 17 godina

Well Stephen, I am sorry to say that you sound very much like the people whose comments I am appalled by. Why don't you ask yourself, why is it not hard to blame a Serb. Well because the Serbian government led a campaing of oppression and killing against ethnic Albanians, after it took away their autonomy. That is why Kosovo deserves to be independent. And not because of something Ceku, or Kostunica says.

billy

pre 17 godina

Hey Afrim,

Can you please explain this to confused people?

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061106/NEWS99/61106006/1008/NEWS06

Many thanks.

jer

pre 17 godina

Yes, Serbs killed a lot of people, yes so did Albanians. Whether you concider Serbs going into a village killing out innocent Albanians genocide or killing Albanians who committed genocide to move into that particular village genocide. It's all pretty irrelevant because the answer is yes to both, it did happen. Bottom line is Kosovo has always been apart of Serbia (yes I know Albanians had there brief moments in the spotlight of independence in the last couple of CENTURIES) But as with any other country, GET OVER IT! A nation of people does not always constitute grounds to be called a country. If thats the case then Iraq needs to rethink their constitution because Sunnis, Shiites, and Curds apparenty deserve their own piece of the pie as well.

Agnes Bertrand

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hocha,

Afrim you did a good thing! You are absolutely right about so-called editors of B92. They tricked me as well into believing that here is the only place in Serbia where you'd find some form of democracy, or should I say a place to freely express one's opinion. I was wrong!!!!!! Democracy of expression in this site is only for those who relentlessly advance Anti-Albanian campaign. Any powerful argument that portrays the truth of Serbian instigated wars in Balkans, will simply be altered, censored or not be published at all.

Don't be fooled by Serbian "Democracy," Serbian people have never had in the past, nor will ever have the nature for democracy. If it weren't in the economic slump, do you really believe they would talk about EU? They would rather try to eradicate Albanian race from Balkans, assimilate Hungarians, and who knows else. Serbia is simply not made for EU. I assume EU countries know what a big headache would be to have Serbia as a member state. Like Russians, they'll never agree to anything. And if they do, It will be like Milosevic's capitulation!

Remember Tito! At the beginning of his campaign against Nazis, he used hit and run terroristic tactics. He had to in those circumstances, and was hero for Serbians until he died. KLA did the same against Milosevic's oppressive military machine, and I am sure some of them are considered heros for Albanian people. Why shouldn't they?

Cheers,

Agnes Bertrand,

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ louie
"Why you(serbs)never considered or try to consider kosovan albanians as a human beings and not like dirt?!"

The Serbian government is after a compromise, fully autonomy, everything up to, but not including autonomy.
Why don't the albanians consider the Serb population as "human beings". They're willing to give up everything, yet you can't move a budge from 'we want independence, OR ELSE!"

Mick & Stephen

pre 17 godina

Noel and Sebastian - this is my last comment for my first time on blog sites. By jove its been interesting to read a variation of thoughts. Well, with regards to writing a book, I won't, at least not yet, but many are getting ready for publishing. If people need books to understand the present, then please read from all sides, no wonder this world is falling apart. If one can not see thru his/her eyes and analyse with the brain that allah or Jesus or Buddha etc, gave them, then I would suggest to live a little and stop counting on the grand Information and Media Operations of BBC and CNN, albeit, they are a good window of what their respective governments are cooking up.

Books are good, especially the historical ones, history provides a idea of what to expect from our leaders in the future, and helps a good analyst to write and provoke a thought or two. People from West to East rely on their Political leadership, who take on history as their platform, unfortunately, a great example being Tony Blair, they become overwhelmed with their status and claim God advises them. Well God ain’t here, he’s watching human beings carry on with destroying each other with their gracious “I want more attitude”. We live in a greedy and capitalistic society, some call it Democracy, I call it robbery. So, N & S please shed a thought for the hundreds of grass root communities of all ethnicities in Kosovo who were killed, raped and tortured by KLA, even after NATO/UN arrival for not joining the cause. Its not about Albanians in general, its about the sick cancerous administration that governs them.

jeju

pre 17 godina

@ Afrim Hoxha

According to Reporters Without Borders, Serbia's press freedom is ranked number 45 in the world, while Albania is all the way down at number 80. Food for thought!

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dearest Agnes,

Who told you that Tito was a hero to the Serbian people??? Yes, there were some commies (just like in Albania and elsewhere), but Serbs are generally [very fiercely] anti-communist. Tito was a hero to the commies, not to Serbs.

If Tito were such a hero, then why were all the places he re-named after himself changed back to their original names? Why were so many parodies (in the form of movies) made criticizing his legacy?

Please remember that he was a dictator who maintained power through the traditional strong-arm means (murders, abductions, torture, etc.). There was a significant brain-drain as people ran out of the country after he took power after WWII.

I just hope that his tomb will soon be disassembled and incinerated, but it does have some historical value.

Joe

pre 17 godina

Hey Stephan,
The KLA have not been around for Decades as you claim but (active) from 1997-1999. Where do you obtain your information from inregards to the KPC selling explosives for international terror?
The Serbian WIDEWEB!
Try CNN like this article for you...MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A Madrid train bombing suspect wanted on an international warrant since last year has been arrested in Serbia where he was carrying forged Iraqi documents, Spain's Interior Ministry said Wednesday.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Dear Joe,

Here is a link to the article you describe:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4159946.stm

This terror suspect fled Madrid via train. With false documentation, he got as far as Serbia, but he was likely on his way to Kosovo. Cheers to the Serbian authorities for the capture that other countries didn't succeed in executing.

Vic

pre 17 godina

It clearly shows that certain Albanians and KLA believe that all of the illegal and criminal things that Albanians did to the Serbs and Roma are not criminal. It shows these people are not capable of having remorse, where as when you make a mistake you admit it just as Serbs have done by overthrowing Milosevic. Most Albanians believe that they are completely innocent or at least they act like it, in unison. If Albanians do not admit that they have done wrong which it does not seem they will do since the govt of Kosovo is worse than that of Milosevic it will be hard for Kosovo to really protect minorities and integrate into EU which leads one to believe that this push for Kosovo independence is not a push for a better future but rather for the control of land and for the vision of Greater Albania.

Agim Elshani

pre 17 godina

Jimbo; You said that : "likely he was on his way to Kosova". If he was using forged Irak documents, rest assured that he friend of Serbia, because Serbia had close ties with Saddam Hysein.
Vic; Serbia overthrow Miloshevic, it is not true Serbia was pressured to arrrest him and hand it over to Hague. I am still waitting an appolegy and show remorse from serbia proper for the crimes they have committed since 1990 in all former Yug.
Republics.
KLA were freedom fighters no more no less.

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Agim,

You are grossly mistaken. Milosevic may have been friends with Saddam, but not the Serbs. This relationship (zlobo + saddam) was a throwback to Tito's friendship with Saddam during the illegal commie administration. If you remember, Tito (who was not a serb) built Saddam's famous underground bunkers.

It is well documented that the flow of these terror individuals is through Bosnia (5 of the 11 9-11 bombers were veterans of the Bosnian war--clearly on the 'Bosniak' side) and Kosovo. Why doesn't the Kosovo administration do more to stop the transit of these people to europe and beyond? Maybe we should spend more time posting links to these articles on this website.

"Rest assured he was a friend of Serbia" is clearly an attempt at an early revisionism. Why would he be arrested and so efficiently extradited? What evidence do you have of this friendship? My evidence is that he was caught and extradited. What evidence do you have that he was sheltered by Belgrade?

Also, what would have been a better way for this Iraqi to get to Kosovo than the direct route? Was he supposed to go around at an expense of hundreds of miles of travel? Why wasn't he stopped at any other country? Is he also friends with other countries? Or is it that only this man's friends can arrest him?

It is also documented (BBC) that the Madrid bombing suspects had ties to kosovo albanian drug dealers.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Jimbo,
Were in the world do you get your information from?? Please tell were have you read that 5 of the 911 bombers fought in kosovo, what a croack of nonsense.
PS.. also please provide the link to the "BBC" articles confirming you claim that Madrid bomobings connected to "albanian Drug Dealers" Because I couldn't find it, or was it your own BBC,AKA. TANJUG Propaganda.
This is what I found connected to Drug Gangs and Terror:

Serb gangs in UK fund terror
By Rajeev Syal and David Bamber

New Scotland Yard

Invincible sails in as UK doubles war effort
SERBIAN gangsters in Britain are involved in smuggling drugs and laundering money to fund militia groups in the Balkans, according to a Scotland Yard report.

The 30-page paper, seen by The Telegraph, says the security services have been monitoring the activities of a Balkan underworld in west London which is filtering money back to Yugoslavia for paramilitaries operating in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia.

The report, An Outline of the Threat and Impact by Organised and Enterprise Crime upon the UK, was written by intelligence officers within the Metropolitan Police and has been seen by operatives in the National Crime Intelligence Service and MI5.

It will intensify the calls for a clampdown on Serbian interests operating in the capital. The security services are already monitoring community groups in west London after a call to arms by Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbian president.

The report states that Serbian and Croatian gangs in Paddington and Shepherd's Bush are involved in importing drugs and "cleaning" drug money for other underworld gangs. Profits made by the gang are sent home to support militia groups which control "no-go" areas in Serbia and Croatia.

"Continuation of the spasmodic Serbian and Croatian skirmishing and the Bosnian civil war is in the interests of this grouping," states the report. "Their activities are on an international scale, with associates in Germany and the Low Countries."

The report says the gang aligns itself with the Serbian nationalist cause. "This group serves as an example of political terrorism. Whilst maintaining its ideological cause it is shading off into international organised criminal activity. The gangs are operating within the black markets of their homelands and transferring their practices to Britain."

A massive Serbian black market in weapons, petrol, cigarettes, alcohol and stolen cars has become the power base of Serbia's ruling class, according to economists. The tightening of sanctions since last year means that Yugoslavia has debts of £10 billion, and black marketeering with foreign neighbours including Italy and Russia has been encouraged by the government. Mr Milosevic is also believed to have close ties with Serbian gangsters.

The report was compiled during the Bosnian conflict, and is being used today as background by anti-terrorist officers monitoring the activity of Serbs. The activity of Serbs in the US has also come under scrutiny by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Drugs Enforcement Agency.

Over the past two weeks some Serbs have presented themselves in London and at the main ports, claiming to be fleeing conscription or deserting the army.

Some of these people are genuine, but immigration officials fear others may be attempting to enter the country for other, illegal purposes.

Xhevat

Jer

pre 17 godina

KLA, Freedom Fighters? Sure I can see that but I really don't think is has the tame tone that was ment. Congo had freedom fighters, Nigeria too. By the way, Taliban. Yep they too catagorise themsleves the same as the KLA. ALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS. And as I said Serb are no MORE guilty when it comes to attrocities committed in former Jugoslavia. Everyone had their fair share murder. What encouraged half of attracities and seperations were trigger happy fractions supported illegally by other nations.

Max

pre 17 godina

If i might add to Jimbo's comments, some of the explosives used in the Madrid bombings came directly from Kosovo

http://kosovonewsandviews.blogspot.com/2006/01/ignore-at-peril-growing-cauldron-of.html

jimbo

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate:

Your article is irrelevant, as it discusses people who Milosevic funded. What year is this article from??? It's gotta be at least 10 years old.

This information, although probably accurate w.r.t. the laundering activities, was clearly used as a propaganda tool to turn public opinion in the UK against Milosevic. So, I fail to see how Milosevic's link to organized crime has anything to do with the Madrid bombings.

Thanks for the post Max.

Also, if you read my post a bit more carefully, you'll notice that I didn't say that the 9-11 bombers fought in Kosovo.

They were probably starting families in Bosna at that time.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimba,
The article was from 1999 when Serbian war machine was running rampid with blood to their elbows in kosovo.
I have read your above post clearly and you seem to use the old communist tricks. If they (911 terrorist) fought in Bosnia why would it mean that they supported Kosovo, The Kosovo and Bosnia conflicts were apples and oranges. We all Know (international) that!! So while Arabs had played a role in forming Mujahadeen brigades in Bosnia, This is Far from the case in Kosovo and with the KLA!! So DO NOT try linking the two! The relevant internaional community knows this. They also know there were a large number of catholic Albanian in the KLA as well, No religiuos ever issues existed with in the ranks of the KLA.

One more thing JimboA, You still have'nt sent us your "BBC" link on your "Documented" Kosovo/Madrid link...
Still waiting.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

Hey Jimboa,
I will try posting the artical "Serbia saddam Alliance one more time.

The Saddam-Serbia Alliance
By Stephen Schwartz
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 28, 2002

A new, but actually old, member of a broader axis of totalitarian evil has reemerged from the shadows. Post-Milosevic Yugoslavia has been caught shipping military equipment to Iraq in violation of international sanctions against Saddam Hussein. For some of us, the arrangement between Belgrade and Baghdad is old news. But it has its shocking aspect: this alliance between two forms of fascism was partly set up by a Communist remnant, the Yugoslav United Left (JUL), headed by Mira Markovic, Milosevic's wife. JUL has a representative, Borisa Vukovic, working in Baghdad as an adviser to Saddam's oldest son, Odai. However, the wheels were further greased - by blood, one might say - thanks to the JUL's fascist allies in the Serbian Radical Party (SRS). SRS members frequently travel to Iraq, just as Ramsey Clark and the puppets of the so-called International ANSWER have done.

The real shocker here will be known to few Americans. The Serbian Radical Party is the most extreme anti-Muslim party in Yugoslavia. Its creator, Vojislav Seselj, is a former Yugoslav dissident - once a poster boy for the human rights profession and a guest lecturer at a leading American university. Seselj, who was homosexually raped while imprisoned in Belgrade, was driven insane by that experience, and became the most violent of all the Serb throat-cutter politicians. Seselj and SRS are directly responsible for the martyrdom of thousands of Muslim children, women, old people, and other innocents in the Balkans. Seselj and SRS enjoy substantial support from Kosovo Serbs.

The first question for the U.S. "peace movement" is: How can Saddam posture as a defender of Islam when he maintains an alliance with the people responsible for the worst massacre of Muslims in recent times?

More important is the next question: how can the Wahhabi lobby in America - the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the American Muslim Council (AMC), the Muslim Political Action Council (MPAC), etc., under the phony banner of "peace," advocate for Saddam and his regime?

The Wahhabi lobby has endorsed "anti-war" demonstrations called by Ramsey Clark's Mickey Maoist cronies. International ANSWER is an ultra-Stalinist network that parallels the axis of terror, in serving as active propaganda agents for Serbia, Iraq, and North Korea, as well as Cuba, countries they repeatedly visit and acclaim.
Of course, Serbian fascism has its die-hard admirers in the U.S., disproportionately found among Stalinists and the kind of folks who write to certain knuckle-dragger websites with screen-names like "Honorary Serb." The JUL of Mira Markovic has inter-party relations with numerous Communist Parties around the world, and propaganda in its favor is frequently published in the People's Weekly World, the Communist equivalent of the Weekly World News. Since 9/11, blogs have been clogged with declamations by fake American patriots who believe Milosevic was a hero in the struggle against al-Qaida.

According to these boneheads, if you're not for Serbian Islamophobia, you're not a good American. The trash that cheers when Macedonian Slavs kill Albanians say that some day the Albanians will show their true colors and attack American troops in the Balkans. Those who believe in such fairytales have a long, long time to wait. Albanians love America and will never desert our cause; Albanians will, if possible, be the first to volunteer to fight against Saddam on the ground. Meanwhile, however, primitives whose hatred of Bill Clinton led them to praise Serbia's phony military prowess during the Kosovo intervention remain loyal to the Belgrade butcher. These witless web warriors continue to salivate at Milosevic's propaganda about his allegedly superior weapons technology, even as they claim to support action against Saddam.

jimboa

pre 17 godina

Hey Xhevate,

You are quoting Front Page Magazine??? It's like reading the onion (if you are familiar). Ok, well, here is an article from the same publication, but a newer article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15577

This article, since it is newer than yours, must displace the article you posted.

I would encourage the readers to go to the magazine's search page

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Search/advanced.asp

and type in some leaning key words, to see for themselves how credible this source really is. Nobody is innocent, or righteous, good, or even smells nice, except for the contributing authors. I would tend to agree with the magazine on this point, except when it comes to their contributing authors.

Borci

pre 17 godina

Xhevat,
The so called Ironically named Kosovo Liberation Army has documented links with Al-Qaeda and the only reason America pulls wool over the eyes of the world on this fact is because it doesn't want to upset Saudi Arabia, and ultimately oil prices in America. Brainstorm this for a while and then you will gain the skill of reading between the lines.

Borci

pre 17 godina

To Afrim Hoxa and Sebastian,

Guys, please use your freedom of speech, but you cannot acuse us Serbs of Bias because we write what we think. We are an honest people and honest people like nothing better than hearin your researched arguments and in regards to racist comments I agree, they should not be posted.

Xhevat

pre 17 godina

To Brica, jimboa, Stephan. Please show us the source of your "documented link" of the KLA with Al-Qaida. I will bet its one of your Anti-American Left-wing Commi-Socialist website like the one reffereed to in the above article.
So let me get this straight..your analogy of the whole American support of the Kosovars and the KLA is that America doesn't want to anger Saudi Arabia and keep oil price down on behalf of American/KLA friendship or vice versa. Are you serious? Thats got to be the funnist thing I have heard in regards to American support of Kosovo.
If thats your argument then you should get a "Read between the lines lesson 101". If the USA says that the final status would have to be accepted by the majority. What do you think that means "Between The Lines"!
With that said, I close my argument cause frankly I don't have the time and interest to argue the Lost cause of the "Serbian Craddle" with you.