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Tuesday, 26.09.2023.

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A shameful move: "This is a disgrace"

The fact that a Ukrainian who fought in a Nazi unit in the Second World War was invited to the Canadian Parliament is "deeply embarrassing" for Canada.

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George

pre 7 meseci

First there is NO WAY someone enter Parliament without a background check, so them claiming they did not know is B.S. Second the moment the speaker said he is a Ukrainian hero who fought against the Soviet Union in WW2, the bells should have gone off, since the Soviet Union was fighting with the Allies (like it or not) that could mean "ONLY 1 THING", HE was not on our side! Third to call him a Canadian hero is an insult to all the brave Canadian men and women along with our allies (yes that also means Soviet Union) who gave their fought or gave their lives to destroy NAZI scum! Last despite the West trying to REWRITE history, the Soviet Union was a "MAJOR" factor in the demise of Nazi Germany, stop trying to erase TRUE history! Speaking of erase the Liberal Party tried to get the minutes of the DISGRACE that happened off the record, BUT LOST! Canada will forever have a black eye.

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.
(Betsy Lalich, 28 September 2023 04:04)

Dear Betsy,
Thank you for a brief glimpse of what may be the flicker of an opening eye-lid.
Yes, neutrality.
Isn’t that all Russia requested of Zelensky? I.e. Don’t take Ukraine and millions of it’s unwilling Russian citizens into an alliance with Germany (again) against Russia? Why was it so important for the fist-pumping Zelensky and the 98 year-old grand father “who fought Russia during WWII”, to join another military alliance against Russia? Do you honestly believe this is not a provocation? Perhaps there was some influence by a third party? If you are beginning to open your eyes, perhaps you may be closer to the third party that influenced the Ukrainian government since 2014 to abandon neutrality and enter a war against its own citizens and neighbor. If you are seeing more clearly now, would you help us and name that foreign country who was against Ukrainian neutrality?

Sj

pre 7 meseci

Betsy your a thick as a plank of wood to say Jews were not aware of the background of this former SS man. There are a number in the Canadian parliament and as soon as this man was introduced they should have walked out. They knew.
As far as Israel is concerned if they support Ukraine Russia would have armed Syria to become a real threat to Israel.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)


#1: Holodomor was not directed at Ukrainians per se. It was directed at all independent villagers. Ukraine had most of them. Other areas in Russia, Belarus suffered similar way. But Ukraine had most of villagers who were not from an ex-serfs family.

#2: What you write is called "whataboutism". In that spirit...
On the other hand, given that at begin of 17th century Polish king starved countless Russians to death, pillaged the country, burned and r*ped Moscow a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone from Russia would have no sympathy towards the Poles in 2023.

Whataboutism countering whataboutism, isn't it?

Like in classic Soviet propaganda, the best example of whataboutism:

"You say that there are long lines in Moscow if some banana comes from Cuba? C'mon, what about the fact that in America black people are beaten in public?"

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Most Jews are well aware that many Ukrainians were pro Nazi. However, many may not have known this man was invited to Canada. Of course they finally protested.
There is good reason Israel has not been overly zealous in supporting Ukraine. For one thing, so many Jews that emigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union, and still have some feeling for the country they came from. Therfore Israel, while balancing all this, will ultimately act in its own interests, as all nations must.

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

Not do I support Serb tyrants.
(Betsy Lalich, 27 September 2023 19:46)
=================
Who are these Serb tyrants?
How about US tyrants delivering "democracy" from a bomber.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

To be more clear, I support NO tyrants or tyranny, no matter where it comes from.
Historically this is merely hateful behavior that has never left this world. All one can do is stand against it and be less hateful. Too many cling to that negative emotion. Even within my own country, I feel the same. I hope I am now making myself clear.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Mr x,
Why are you obsessed with me?
Of course I do not support any tyrants, especially Nazi tyrants.
Not do I support Serb tyrants.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)
======================
Peter I don't normally agree with you but until now I have not had a reaction to your post like this one.
I am absolutely disgusted that you could try to excuse what happened by throwing mud at Russia.
First of all USSR wasn't Russia. Stalin wasn't even Russian so go away you little creature and please don't come back.

First casualtie of war truth.

pre 7 meseci

Well sure we should all read Pussian Pravda like Serbs.
For the truth and nothing but the truth LOL. 😄
Which one are you little sj or big Sj or did you grow up in body size only.

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)

No. it is not understandable to non-Fascists.
It is understandable to you, to the Prime Minister of Canada, to the deputy Prime Minister of Canada whose grandfather was also a N4zi. Yes, these people knew exactly who their “hero” was and why they invited him.
You Peter, as a vocal N4zi apologists for this war criminal, along with the Government of Canada, owe the Russian people and other Na4i victims an apology.

Sj

pre 7 meseci

They all deny they were aware of the background of this creton who was in the SS
They all knew and now that it has exploded on their face now it's "we didn't know".
What a load of BS.
Like the US funding and training ISIS it shows you how low the west has become.
What's also amazing it was the Russian media that revealed the background of this SS 'freed fighter" not the western 'free press'. The Jewish groups only came out after the fact.

Mike.Canada

pre 7 meseci

I want to say sorry to the people this effected. Including my family of who many gave thier lives fighting in WW2. The Prime Minister and the speaker are well aware of who this man was. This was done to piss people off. Both the speaker and Prime Minister should resign immediately for this. They should be tried for treason and put in jail right away. Just a little fyi they do.back ground checks on everyone that is invited to the floor of for events like this. Also the Prime Minister tried to shift blame on Russian misinformation for this. Canada now forever have this stain on it. What a shame.

OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS

pre 7 meseci

I'm not surprised that Zelenski and the Ukrainians wheeled in this WW2 nazi. For sure the Ukrainians knew who this old creature was and is. But did the Canadians know this..?? Perhaps they knew and hoped nobody would find out that Hunka was a nazi fighting for Hitler.
I wonder if single brain cell Betsy Lalich is reading this article and my post??? Hey Betsy, didnt you call me a nazi sympathiser a few days ago...??... lol....Appears that its you north Americans who applaud and honour nazis.....!!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 7 meseci

One on hand, it's truly mind-boggling that there were some Ukrainians that sided with the Germans, who killed anywhere between 5-7 millions of Ukrainians, destroyed 700 cities and towns, around 30K villages, leaving around 10 million homeless, looted or destroyed 80%+ of Ukrainians industrial and agricultural infrastructure, not to mention used millions of Ukrainians as slave labour.

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 meseci

I will reiterate that Zelensky is a war criminal backed by Nazi groups in Ukraine . He brought a Nazi Azov battalion commander to the Greek parliament which raised a racous in Greece . Now he brings in a Waffen SS war criminal to standing ovations in the Canadian Parliament . The deputy Prime Minister of Canada father owned the Ukranian Nazi Press under Bandera in Ukraine during WW2 . That should tell you all you need to know .

OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS

pre 7 meseci

I'm not surprised that Zelenski and the Ukrainians wheeled in this WW2 nazi. For sure the Ukrainians knew who this old creature was and is. But did the Canadians know this..?? Perhaps they knew and hoped nobody would find out that Hunka was a nazi fighting for Hitler.
I wonder if single brain cell Betsy Lalich is reading this article and my post??? Hey Betsy, didnt you call me a nazi sympathiser a few days ago...??... lol....Appears that its you north Americans who applaud and honour nazis.....!!!

Mike.Canada

pre 7 meseci

I want to say sorry to the people this effected. Including my family of who many gave thier lives fighting in WW2. The Prime Minister and the speaker are well aware of who this man was. This was done to piss people off. Both the speaker and Prime Minister should resign immediately for this. They should be tried for treason and put in jail right away. Just a little fyi they do.back ground checks on everyone that is invited to the floor of for events like this. Also the Prime Minister tried to shift blame on Russian misinformation for this. Canada now forever have this stain on it. What a shame.

Sj

pre 7 meseci

They all deny they were aware of the background of this creton who was in the SS
They all knew and now that it has exploded on their face now it's "we didn't know".
What a load of BS.
Like the US funding and training ISIS it shows you how low the west has become.
What's also amazing it was the Russian media that revealed the background of this SS 'freed fighter" not the western 'free press'. The Jewish groups only came out after the fact.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 meseci

I will reiterate that Zelensky is a war criminal backed by Nazi groups in Ukraine . He brought a Nazi Azov battalion commander to the Greek parliament which raised a racous in Greece . Now he brings in a Waffen SS war criminal to standing ovations in the Canadian Parliament . The deputy Prime Minister of Canada father owned the Ukranian Nazi Press under Bandera in Ukraine during WW2 . That should tell you all you need to know .

Peter Sudyka

pre 7 meseci

One on hand, it's truly mind-boggling that there were some Ukrainians that sided with the Germans, who killed anywhere between 5-7 millions of Ukrainians, destroyed 700 cities and towns, around 30K villages, leaving around 10 million homeless, looted or destroyed 80%+ of Ukrainians industrial and agricultural infrastructure, not to mention used millions of Ukrainians as slave labour.

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)

No. it is not understandable to non-Fascists.
It is understandable to you, to the Prime Minister of Canada, to the deputy Prime Minister of Canada whose grandfather was also a N4zi. Yes, these people knew exactly who their “hero” was and why they invited him.
You Peter, as a vocal N4zi apologists for this war criminal, along with the Government of Canada, owe the Russian people and other Na4i victims an apology.

First casualtie of war truth.

pre 7 meseci

Well sure we should all read Pussian Pravda like Serbs.
For the truth and nothing but the truth LOL. 😄
Which one are you little sj or big Sj or did you grow up in body size only.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)
======================
Peter I don't normally agree with you but until now I have not had a reaction to your post like this one.
I am absolutely disgusted that you could try to excuse what happened by throwing mud at Russia.
First of all USSR wasn't Russia. Stalin wasn't even Russian so go away you little creature and please don't come back.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Mr x,
Why are you obsessed with me?
Of course I do not support any tyrants, especially Nazi tyrants.
Not do I support Serb tyrants.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

To be more clear, I support NO tyrants or tyranny, no matter where it comes from.
Historically this is merely hateful behavior that has never left this world. All one can do is stand against it and be less hateful. Too many cling to that negative emotion. Even within my own country, I feel the same. I hope I am now making myself clear.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

Not do I support Serb tyrants.
(Betsy Lalich, 27 September 2023 19:46)
=================
Who are these Serb tyrants?
How about US tyrants delivering "democracy" from a bomber.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Most Jews are well aware that many Ukrainians were pro Nazi. However, many may not have known this man was invited to Canada. Of course they finally protested.
There is good reason Israel has not been overly zealous in supporting Ukraine. For one thing, so many Jews that emigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union, and still have some feeling for the country they came from. Therfore Israel, while balancing all this, will ultimately act in its own interests, as all nations must.

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.
(Betsy Lalich, 28 September 2023 04:04)

Dear Betsy,
Thank you for a brief glimpse of what may be the flicker of an opening eye-lid.
Yes, neutrality.
Isn’t that all Russia requested of Zelensky? I.e. Don’t take Ukraine and millions of it’s unwilling Russian citizens into an alliance with Germany (again) against Russia? Why was it so important for the fist-pumping Zelensky and the 98 year-old grand father “who fought Russia during WWII”, to join another military alliance against Russia? Do you honestly believe this is not a provocation? Perhaps there was some influence by a third party? If you are beginning to open your eyes, perhaps you may be closer to the third party that influenced the Ukrainian government since 2014 to abandon neutrality and enter a war against its own citizens and neighbor. If you are seeing more clearly now, would you help us and name that foreign country who was against Ukrainian neutrality?

Sj

pre 7 meseci

Betsy your a thick as a plank of wood to say Jews were not aware of the background of this former SS man. There are a number in the Canadian parliament and as soon as this man was introduced they should have walked out. They knew.
As far as Israel is concerned if they support Ukraine Russia would have armed Syria to become a real threat to Israel.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)


#1: Holodomor was not directed at Ukrainians per se. It was directed at all independent villagers. Ukraine had most of them. Other areas in Russia, Belarus suffered similar way. But Ukraine had most of villagers who were not from an ex-serfs family.

#2: What you write is called "whataboutism". In that spirit...
On the other hand, given that at begin of 17th century Polish king starved countless Russians to death, pillaged the country, burned and r*ped Moscow a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone from Russia would have no sympathy towards the Poles in 2023.

Whataboutism countering whataboutism, isn't it?

Like in classic Soviet propaganda, the best example of whataboutism:

"You say that there are long lines in Moscow if some banana comes from Cuba? C'mon, what about the fact that in America black people are beaten in public?"

George

pre 7 meseci

First there is NO WAY someone enter Parliament without a background check, so them claiming they did not know is B.S. Second the moment the speaker said he is a Ukrainian hero who fought against the Soviet Union in WW2, the bells should have gone off, since the Soviet Union was fighting with the Allies (like it or not) that could mean "ONLY 1 THING", HE was not on our side! Third to call him a Canadian hero is an insult to all the brave Canadian men and women along with our allies (yes that also means Soviet Union) who gave their fought or gave their lives to destroy NAZI scum! Last despite the West trying to REWRITE history, the Soviet Union was a "MAJOR" factor in the demise of Nazi Germany, stop trying to erase TRUE history! Speaking of erase the Liberal Party tried to get the minutes of the DISGRACE that happened off the record, BUT LOST! Canada will forever have a black eye.

Peter Sudyka

pre 7 meseci

One on hand, it's truly mind-boggling that there were some Ukrainians that sided with the Germans, who killed anywhere between 5-7 millions of Ukrainians, destroyed 700 cities and towns, around 30K villages, leaving around 10 million homeless, looted or destroyed 80%+ of Ukrainians industrial and agricultural infrastructure, not to mention used millions of Ukrainians as slave labour.

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.

Jugoslavija

pre 7 meseci

I will reiterate that Zelensky is a war criminal backed by Nazi groups in Ukraine . He brought a Nazi Azov battalion commander to the Greek parliament which raised a racous in Greece . Now he brings in a Waffen SS war criminal to standing ovations in the Canadian Parliament . The deputy Prime Minister of Canada father owned the Ukranian Nazi Press under Bandera in Ukraine during WW2 . That should tell you all you need to know .

OSMANIS XXX LARGE KNICKERS

pre 7 meseci

I'm not surprised that Zelenski and the Ukrainians wheeled in this WW2 nazi. For sure the Ukrainians knew who this old creature was and is. But did the Canadians know this..?? Perhaps they knew and hoped nobody would find out that Hunka was a nazi fighting for Hitler.
I wonder if single brain cell Betsy Lalich is reading this article and my post??? Hey Betsy, didnt you call me a nazi sympathiser a few days ago...??... lol....Appears that its you north Americans who applaud and honour nazis.....!!!

Sj

pre 7 meseci

They all deny they were aware of the background of this creton who was in the SS
They all knew and now that it has exploded on their face now it's "we didn't know".
What a load of BS.
Like the US funding and training ISIS it shows you how low the west has become.
What's also amazing it was the Russian media that revealed the background of this SS 'freed fighter" not the western 'free press'. The Jewish groups only came out after the fact.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)
======================
Peter I don't normally agree with you but until now I have not had a reaction to your post like this one.
I am absolutely disgusted that you could try to excuse what happened by throwing mud at Russia.
First of all USSR wasn't Russia. Stalin wasn't even Russian so go away you little creature and please don't come back.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Mr x,
Why are you obsessed with me?
Of course I do not support any tyrants, especially Nazi tyrants.
Not do I support Serb tyrants.

Mike.Canada

pre 7 meseci

I want to say sorry to the people this effected. Including my family of who many gave thier lives fighting in WW2. The Prime Minister and the speaker are well aware of who this man was. This was done to piss people off. Both the speaker and Prime Minister should resign immediately for this. They should be tried for treason and put in jail right away. Just a little fyi they do.back ground checks on everyone that is invited to the floor of for events like this. Also the Prime Minister tried to shift blame on Russian misinformation for this. Canada now forever have this stain on it. What a shame.

First casualtie of war truth.

pre 7 meseci

Well sure we should all read Pussian Pravda like Serbs.
For the truth and nothing but the truth LOL. 😄
Which one are you little sj or big Sj or did you grow up in body size only.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

To be more clear, I support NO tyrants or tyranny, no matter where it comes from.
Historically this is merely hateful behavior that has never left this world. All one can do is stand against it and be less hateful. Too many cling to that negative emotion. Even within my own country, I feel the same. I hope I am now making myself clear.

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.
(Betsy Lalich, 28 September 2023 04:04)

Dear Betsy,
Thank you for a brief glimpse of what may be the flicker of an opening eye-lid.
Yes, neutrality.
Isn’t that all Russia requested of Zelensky? I.e. Don’t take Ukraine and millions of it’s unwilling Russian citizens into an alliance with Germany (again) against Russia? Why was it so important for the fist-pumping Zelensky and the 98 year-old grand father “who fought Russia during WWII”, to join another military alliance against Russia? Do you honestly believe this is not a provocation? Perhaps there was some influence by a third party? If you are beginning to open your eyes, perhaps you may be closer to the third party that influenced the Ukrainian government since 2014 to abandon neutrality and enter a war against its own citizens and neighbor. If you are seeing more clearly now, would you help us and name that foreign country who was against Ukrainian neutrality?

Tom Sawyer

pre 7 meseci

I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)

No. it is not understandable to non-Fascists.
It is understandable to you, to the Prime Minister of Canada, to the deputy Prime Minister of Canada whose grandfather was also a N4zi. Yes, these people knew exactly who their “hero” was and why they invited him.
You Peter, as a vocal N4zi apologists for this war criminal, along with the Government of Canada, owe the Russian people and other Na4i victims an apology.

Peggy

pre 7 meseci

Not do I support Serb tyrants.
(Betsy Lalich, 27 September 2023 19:46)
=================
Who are these Serb tyrants?
How about US tyrants delivering "democracy" from a bomber.

Betsy Lalich

pre 7 meseci

Most Jews are well aware that many Ukrainians were pro Nazi. However, many may not have known this man was invited to Canada. Of course they finally protested.
There is good reason Israel has not been overly zealous in supporting Ukraine. For one thing, so many Jews that emigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union, and still have some feeling for the country they came from. Therfore Israel, while balancing all this, will ultimately act in its own interests, as all nations must.

As for siding with the Nazis because you are against Russia, there is a third way : neutrality and/or merely supporting what is good.

Sj

pre 7 meseci

Betsy your a thick as a plank of wood to say Jews were not aware of the background of this former SS man. There are a number in the Canadian parliament and as soon as this man was introduced they should have walked out. They knew.
As far as Israel is concerned if they support Ukraine Russia would have armed Syria to become a real threat to Israel.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 7 meseci

On the other hand, given that Moscow has starved 7-10 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone like this person would choose to fight alongside the Germans against the Soviets.
(Peter Sudyka, 26 September 2023 13:03)


#1: Holodomor was not directed at Ukrainians per se. It was directed at all independent villagers. Ukraine had most of them. Other areas in Russia, Belarus suffered similar way. But Ukraine had most of villagers who were not from an ex-serfs family.

#2: What you write is called "whataboutism". In that spirit...
On the other hand, given that at begin of 17th century Polish king starved countless Russians to death, pillaged the country, burned and r*ped Moscow a few years earlier, I suppose it's understandable why someone from Russia would have no sympathy towards the Poles in 2023.

Whataboutism countering whataboutism, isn't it?

Like in classic Soviet propaganda, the best example of whataboutism:

"You say that there are long lines in Moscow if some banana comes from Cuba? C'mon, what about the fact that in America black people are beaten in public?"

George

pre 7 meseci

First there is NO WAY someone enter Parliament without a background check, so them claiming they did not know is B.S. Second the moment the speaker said he is a Ukrainian hero who fought against the Soviet Union in WW2, the bells should have gone off, since the Soviet Union was fighting with the Allies (like it or not) that could mean "ONLY 1 THING", HE was not on our side! Third to call him a Canadian hero is an insult to all the brave Canadian men and women along with our allies (yes that also means Soviet Union) who gave their fought or gave their lives to destroy NAZI scum! Last despite the West trying to REWRITE history, the Soviet Union was a "MAJOR" factor in the demise of Nazi Germany, stop trying to erase TRUE history! Speaking of erase the Liberal Party tried to get the minutes of the DISGRACE that happened off the record, BUT LOST! Canada will forever have a black eye.