Albanian media made up "dual sovereignty" story - president
President Aleksandar Vucic says Serbia has been offered nothing resembling <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2019&mm=04&dd=17&nav_id=106647" class="text-link" target= "_blank">"dual sovereignty"</a> over the north of Kosovo.
SR, I think you know fallacious ways of arguing. I’m sure I know the meaning of “evasive” much better than you. However, your need to not have to answer is quite telling.
Ljiljana
Really you have no shame or sole how did we kill our people and then put them in mass graves in police training ground in Belgrade or in shipping containers and bump them in Danube how we did that Liliana you should be embarrassed off your comment they were women and children have some sole
Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin),
Serbia has no cards left to play, that came to a screeching halt in 1999 when Nato easily brought Serbia to its knees. Surely, Vucic has information which you lack, therefore, he would know far better than you the bargaining strength (or lack there of) of Serbia.
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
(EU Dude, 20 April 2019 10:13
Milosevic underestimated NATO resolve to bomb
as a result of his miscalculation
he got bombed
I dont present opinions without facts
there are online documentaries of heads of state precisely about this topic
bill clinton, tony balir , mandelene albright, boris yeltsin milosevic ect ect
I actually would have much preferred a functional, peaceful, and modern Yugoslavia over a Greater Serbia any day. I see the value in southern Slav unity regardless of religion or ethnicity.
This is the Albanian Trade Mark keep lying until the Bullshit stinks. Eventually they will lose all of their credibility. They can't be honest honesty would means loss of Kosovo to Serbia.
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
--
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
to:ministry of humiliation and propaganda
You. Describing yourself? NATO bombed rep Serbia and KiM because
You, k albos were killing Own k albos, blaming onto the Serbs in order to attract Nato's attention. You were telling lies to the world. That is why bombing.
Back in 2019 all is on the surface. The world knows who you really are. Misfits, non civilized, trouble.
Who made up “For every killed Serb we will kill 100 Muslims”?
(Avni, 18 April 2019 20:45
Avni, easy solution, don't kill Serbs and you don't have to worry about anything - whether it's one Albanian or 100, doesn't matter... Serbs have historically came after people once they are instigated into a conflict and to protect its people and freedom. See, pretty simple, don'y you think.
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
(njegos, 19 April 2019 15:34)
@ njegos before you ask others ask yourself first
What was the objective of NATO during bombing? Was their objective achieved?
objective was for serb forces to withdraw from kosovo and allow international forces in.
this was achieved after 78 days rather than 1-2 weeks of initial NATO estimation.
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
From bert: "in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military."
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military. albanian military will make you eat dog shit. listen to your president because when he says serbia has no more young man to loose he means it
So now you see the real EU - Germany in power with its little French lap-dog at its side. Serbia should not let itself be blackmailed into accepting anything against its interests. Especially not with regard to the "carrot" being dangled in front of it... accession to the EU. It is not worth it. Serbia is in a much better bargaining position than Vucic appears to realise - an independent (ie non-EU) Serbia allied with the Russian Federation is a major problem for the EU and of course for NATO. And a stable non-EU country of hard and reliable workers in Europe is attractive for world-wide investment. The self-proclaimed "independence" of Kosovo is illegal and cannot be condoned at any cost. Serbia must play its cards correctly.
Serbs hold all the cards here otherwise nobody would be calling. You can send Jesus and Santa together with Allah and Buddha and Kosovo will still legally be Serbian territory and require SERBIAN signatures for any deal. If they didnt, all these vultures wouldnt be circling now. Very interesting to see the world begging for Serbias attention...
Nobody fell for anything. The reality is that KiM is a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
(Zhukov, 18 April 2019 22:45)
The Albanian military, along with the Kosovo Security Force, would be wiped out by Serbian firepower. The ONLY reason this hasn’t happened already is because of NATO.
There is not one respectable military leader or strategist that doesn’t know that without Western help, the wars in the 90s would have saw the creation of Greater Serbia from the former Yugoslavia.
Talking tough while big brother stands between you and your adversary is pretty pathetic.
Ok here’s the deal commonly known as the “carrot and stick” approach. Serbia will be offered many foreign investments such as the Volkswagen factory in exchange for a softening of their positions. If that does not work then the threats will begin
Just hang tough Mr Vucic you are holding all the cards
I don't know if they made it up, or not, but nothing good will come out of this meeting.
First, Albanian language media reports that France and Germany reportedly float "dual sovereignty" plan.
Peculiar thing is that it has caused controversy in the European Union as it was set up without the knowledge of Brussels, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, other EU member-states. ????
Things are becoming more clear, now, apparently. Real policymakers of EU are coming out of the closet.
And the others? If France and Germany are floating the plan, they will follow. They ALL float down there!
Vucic, your partners suck, and it's time to seriously look for other partners.
Gazeta express, rfe, etc are propaganda OutLets funded by the the us govt and given best access and hits on search engines. Think you’ll see a Serbian govt site on google? No chance.
This is the thing with media. They collude in the disinformation from all sides willingly.
This is what serbia is dealing with. The biggest liars teamed up with the biggest media companies.
Albanian compromise was made in 2008 with a foreign made constitution whether serbs like to agree or not is irrelevant
Serbia will have to recognize kosova or it will form union with Albania. Either way union will happen eventually as EU project or Russian style annexation because the truth is this is only a small consolation for our ethnic Albania in the Illyrian Peninsula.
the us ambassador to belgrade made it very clear that there is no border change and no territorial swap. the end result is kosova independent on its current borders and albanian military at the border with serbia ready to act at a seconds notice against any person, who dires to set foot on albanian kosova soil. end of story
All this "dual sovereignty" thing was a media hype created to tease Serbia and had most of them fall for it. Vucic is stepping into reality slowly. The next thing is for him to be honest with his people and tell them to kiss anything-Kosova goodbye!
All this "dual sovereignty" thing was a media hype created to tease Serbia and had most of them fall for it. Vucic is stepping into reality slowly. The next thing is for him to be honest with his people and tell them to kiss anything-Kosova goodbye!
the us ambassador to belgrade made it very clear that there is no border change and no territorial swap. the end result is kosova independent on its current borders and albanian military at the border with serbia ready to act at a seconds notice against any person, who dires to set foot on albanian kosova soil. end of story
Albanian compromise was made in 2008 with a foreign made constitution whether serbs like to agree or not is irrelevant
Serbia will have to recognize kosova or it will form union with Albania. Either way union will happen eventually as EU project or Russian style annexation because the truth is this is only a small consolation for our ethnic Albania in the Illyrian Peninsula.
Ok here’s the deal commonly known as the “carrot and stick” approach. Serbia will be offered many foreign investments such as the Volkswagen factory in exchange for a softening of their positions. If that does not work then the threats will begin
Just hang tough Mr Vucic you are holding all the cards
The Albanian military, along with the Kosovo Security Force, would be wiped out by Serbian firepower. The ONLY reason this hasn’t happened already is because of NATO.
There is not one respectable military leader or strategist that doesn’t know that without Western help, the wars in the 90s would have saw the creation of Greater Serbia from the former Yugoslavia.
Talking tough while big brother stands between you and your adversary is pretty pathetic.
Serbs hold all the cards here otherwise nobody would be calling. You can send Jesus and Santa together with Allah and Buddha and Kosovo will still legally be Serbian territory and require SERBIAN signatures for any deal. If they didnt, all these vultures wouldnt be circling now. Very interesting to see the world begging for Serbias attention...
Gazeta express, rfe, etc are propaganda OutLets funded by the the us govt and given best access and hits on search engines. Think you’ll see a Serbian govt site on google? No chance.
This is the thing with media. They collude in the disinformation from all sides willingly.
This is what serbia is dealing with. The biggest liars teamed up with the biggest media companies.
I don't know if they made it up, or not, but nothing good will come out of this meeting.
First, Albanian language media reports that France and Germany reportedly float "dual sovereignty" plan.
Peculiar thing is that it has caused controversy in the European Union as it was set up without the knowledge of Brussels, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, other EU member-states. ????
Things are becoming more clear, now, apparently. Real policymakers of EU are coming out of the closet.
And the others? If France and Germany are floating the plan, they will follow. They ALL float down there!
Vucic, your partners suck, and it's time to seriously look for other partners.
So now you see the real EU - Germany in power with its little French lap-dog at its side. Serbia should not let itself be blackmailed into accepting anything against its interests. Especially not with regard to the "carrot" being dangled in front of it... accession to the EU. It is not worth it. Serbia is in a much better bargaining position than Vucic appears to realise - an independent (ie non-EU) Serbia allied with the Russian Federation is a major problem for the EU and of course for NATO. And a stable non-EU country of hard and reliable workers in Europe is attractive for world-wide investment. The self-proclaimed "independence" of Kosovo is illegal and cannot be condoned at any cost. Serbia must play its cards correctly.
Nobody fell for anything. The reality is that KiM is a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
(Zhukov, 18 April 2019 22:45)
in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military. albanian military will make you eat dog shit. listen to your president because when he says serbia has no more young man to loose he means it
From bert: "in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military."
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
(njegos, 19 April 2019 15:34)
@ njegos before you ask others ask yourself first
What was the objective of NATO during bombing? Was their objective achieved?
objective was for serb forces to withdraw from kosovo and allow international forces in.
this was achieved after 78 days rather than 1-2 weeks of initial NATO estimation.
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
This is the Albanian Trade Mark keep lying until the Bullshit stinks. Eventually they will lose all of their credibility. They can't be honest honesty would means loss of Kosovo to Serbia.
Who made up “For every killed Serb we will kill 100 Muslims”?
(Avni, 18 April 2019 20:45
Avni, easy solution, don't kill Serbs and you don't have to worry about anything - whether it's one Albanian or 100, doesn't matter... Serbs have historically came after people once they are instigated into a conflict and to protect its people and freedom. See, pretty simple, don'y you think.
to:ministry of humiliation and propaganda
You. Describing yourself? NATO bombed rep Serbia and KiM because
You, k albos were killing Own k albos, blaming onto the Serbs in order to attract Nato's attention. You were telling lies to the world. That is why bombing.
Back in 2019 all is on the surface. The world knows who you really are. Misfits, non civilized, trouble.
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
(EU Dude, 20 April 2019 10:13
Milosevic underestimated NATO resolve to bomb
as a result of his miscalculation
he got bombed
I dont present opinions without facts
there are online documentaries of heads of state precisely about this topic
bill clinton, tony balir , mandelene albright, boris yeltsin milosevic ect ect
Ljiljana
Really you have no shame or sole how did we kill our people and then put them in mass graves in police training ground in Belgrade or in shipping containers and bump them in Danube how we did that Liliana you should be embarrassed off your comment they were women and children have some sole
I actually would have much preferred a functional, peaceful, and modern Yugoslavia over a Greater Serbia any day. I see the value in southern Slav unity regardless of religion or ethnicity.
SR, I think you know fallacious ways of arguing. I’m sure I know the meaning of “evasive” much better than you. However, your need to not have to answer is quite telling.
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
--
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin),
Serbia has no cards left to play, that came to a screeching halt in 1999 when Nato easily brought Serbia to its knees. Surely, Vucic has information which you lack, therefore, he would know far better than you the bargaining strength (or lack there of) of Serbia.
All this "dual sovereignty" thing was a media hype created to tease Serbia and had most of them fall for it. Vucic is stepping into reality slowly. The next thing is for him to be honest with his people and tell them to kiss anything-Kosova goodbye!
Albanian compromise was made in 2008 with a foreign made constitution whether serbs like to agree or not is irrelevant
Serbia will have to recognize kosova or it will form union with Albania. Either way union will happen eventually as EU project or Russian style annexation because the truth is this is only a small consolation for our ethnic Albania in the Illyrian Peninsula.
the us ambassador to belgrade made it very clear that there is no border change and no territorial swap. the end result is kosova independent on its current borders and albanian military at the border with serbia ready to act at a seconds notice against any person, who dires to set foot on albanian kosova soil. end of story
Gazeta express, rfe, etc are propaganda OutLets funded by the the us govt and given best access and hits on search engines. Think you’ll see a Serbian govt site on google? No chance.
This is the thing with media. They collude in the disinformation from all sides willingly.
This is what serbia is dealing with. The biggest liars teamed up with the biggest media companies.
in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military. albanian military will make you eat dog shit. listen to your president because when he says serbia has no more young man to loose he means it
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
(njegos, 19 April 2019 15:34)
@ njegos before you ask others ask yourself first
What was the objective of NATO during bombing? Was their objective achieved?
objective was for serb forces to withdraw from kosovo and allow international forces in.
this was achieved after 78 days rather than 1-2 weeks of initial NATO estimation.
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
The Albanian military, along with the Kosovo Security Force, would be wiped out by Serbian firepower. The ONLY reason this hasn’t happened already is because of NATO.
There is not one respectable military leader or strategist that doesn’t know that without Western help, the wars in the 90s would have saw the creation of Greater Serbia from the former Yugoslavia.
Talking tough while big brother stands between you and your adversary is pretty pathetic.
Ok here’s the deal commonly known as the “carrot and stick” approach. Serbia will be offered many foreign investments such as the Volkswagen factory in exchange for a softening of their positions. If that does not work then the threats will begin
Just hang tough Mr Vucic you are holding all the cards
Serbs hold all the cards here otherwise nobody would be calling. You can send Jesus and Santa together with Allah and Buddha and Kosovo will still legally be Serbian territory and require SERBIAN signatures for any deal. If they didnt, all these vultures wouldnt be circling now. Very interesting to see the world begging for Serbias attention...
Nobody fell for anything. The reality is that KiM is a dysfunctional fenced-in ghetto and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
(Zhukov, 18 April 2019 22:45)
So now you see the real EU - Germany in power with its little French lap-dog at its side. Serbia should not let itself be blackmailed into accepting anything against its interests. Especially not with regard to the "carrot" being dangled in front of it... accession to the EU. It is not worth it. Serbia is in a much better bargaining position than Vucic appears to realise - an independent (ie non-EU) Serbia allied with the Russian Federation is a major problem for the EU and of course for NATO. And a stable non-EU country of hard and reliable workers in Europe is attractive for world-wide investment. The self-proclaimed "independence" of Kosovo is illegal and cannot be condoned at any cost. Serbia must play its cards correctly.
From bert: "in the 90 you fought civilians and they beat you. you didnt fight any military."
If civilians beat the Serbs, why was Belgrade bombed by NATO for 78 days? NATO, at the time was made up of 22 developed countries with the most sophisticated military technology. Please answer this question bert and try to refrain from making nonsensical statements like you so often do.
I don't know if they made it up, or not, but nothing good will come out of this meeting.
First, Albanian language media reports that France and Germany reportedly float "dual sovereignty" plan.
Peculiar thing is that it has caused controversy in the European Union as it was set up without the knowledge of Brussels, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, other EU member-states. ????
Things are becoming more clear, now, apparently. Real policymakers of EU are coming out of the closet.
And the others? If France and Germany are floating the plan, they will follow. They ALL float down there!
Vucic, your partners suck, and it's time to seriously look for other partners.
Who made up “For every killed Serb we will kill 100 Muslims”?
(Avni, 18 April 2019 20:45
Avni, easy solution, don't kill Serbs and you don't have to worry about anything - whether it's one Albanian or 100, doesn't matter... Serbs have historically came after people once they are instigated into a conflict and to protect its people and freedom. See, pretty simple, don'y you think.
to:ministry of humiliation and propaganda
You. Describing yourself? NATO bombed rep Serbia and KiM because
You, k albos were killing Own k albos, blaming onto the Serbs in order to attract Nato's attention. You were telling lies to the world. That is why bombing.
Back in 2019 all is on the surface. The world knows who you really are. Misfits, non civilized, trouble.
This is the Albanian Trade Mark keep lying until the Bullshit stinks. Eventually they will lose all of their credibility. They can't be honest honesty would means loss of Kosovo to Serbia.
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
(EU Dude, 20 April 2019 10:13
Milosevic underestimated NATO resolve to bomb
as a result of his miscalculation
he got bombed
I dont present opinions without facts
there are online documentaries of heads of state precisely about this topic
bill clinton, tony balir , mandelene albright, boris yeltsin milosevic ect ect
Now ask yourself again what would have happened if Milosevic didn't pull out troops?
Answer is NATO ground troops invasion of Yugoslavia with heavy military equipment and tanks.
--
Yet again, opinion presented as fact. Fake news based on not a shred of evidence nor verifiable links provided. Now that is a humiliation.
NATO requires a unanimous vote for action. There was no such unanimous support in NATO for an invasion of Yugoslavia which is why they chose bombing instead.
It's quite easy to look up. Almost any fool can do it. Almost.
To claim that their bombing failure would be followed up by an already rejected invasion is really in the realms of deluded fantasy. If it were the case, then why is it widely reported that Bill Clinton threatened that NATO would carpet bomb Belgrade if Boris Yeltsin did not drop its support for Serbia? Again, it is easy to look up unlike the nebulous claim that a ground invasion would have occurred.
Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin),
Serbia has no cards left to play, that came to a screeching halt in 1999 when Nato easily brought Serbia to its knees. Surely, Vucic has information which you lack, therefore, he would know far better than you the bargaining strength (or lack there of) of Serbia.
Ljiljana
Really you have no shame or sole how did we kill our people and then put them in mass graves in police training ground in Belgrade or in shipping containers and bump them in Danube how we did that Liliana you should be embarrassed off your comment they were women and children have some sole
I actually would have much preferred a functional, peaceful, and modern Yugoslavia over a Greater Serbia any day. I see the value in southern Slav unity regardless of religion or ethnicity.
SR, I think you know fallacious ways of arguing. I’m sure I know the meaning of “evasive” much better than you. However, your need to not have to answer is quite telling.
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