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Serbian presiden tells FT that frozen conflicts can "melt"

Aleksandar Vucic has told the Financial Times that "frozen conflicts are never frozen because at some moment they melt."

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.
(Glow, 11 January 2019 13:27)

That's why I insist on frequently refreshing the mind of people like Sreten, sj, Watcher, Roger 7, Peggy, ... about 1000 years of prison time given to the Serbs by ICTY for contribution to inhumanity.

It is not significant if the Serbs will ever mature to face their recent past critically but it is crucially important for the rest of the world to have learnt how to deal with them in the future.

Glow

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Glow,
Stop being stuck in Western propaganda from 90's .

First burning houses in all of former Yugoslavia were in Zadar and Sibenik (in Croatia). Those were Serbian homes.
First massacre in Bosnia was combined action of Muslims and Croats who entered peaceful village of Sijekovac on March 26th, 1992. They killed 60 Serbs civilians, including 17 children, some of them as young as 4. All hell broke after that.
After finnishing Bosnian war in late 1995 it was time for sponsors of wars in Yugoslavia, to open another front - in February, 1996.
But, don't trust me, read what British Parliamentary Comittee wrote about it. (or you, perhaps, think that UK is, and was pro-Serbian????

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/2807.htm#a2

"25. The KLA or UCK (Ushtria Climtare e Kosoves) first publicly announced itself in February 1996 by launching an attack in northern Kosovo on Krajina Serb refugees."

No description? First action of KLA was on February 22nd, 1996. They threw handgranades through windows of a motel where refugees was temporarly housed, killing 1 man, 4 woman and 3 children.
Report continues...

" There followed several more attacks upon Serb police and civilians. In an open letter to the BBC in June that year, the KLA claimed responsibility for killing six Serbs—three policemen and three civilians—in the southern Kosovo town of Decani."

And that's how Serbs started another war...

Glow

pre 5 godina

(Peggy, 10 January 2019 02:52


Peggy, you need a lesson on history of your country.
Who started the conflict in Croatia?
Answer : serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Bosnia?
Answer: serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Kosova?
Answer: Serbia!!!

Serbia doesn't have good relations with any countries in the Balkans. I wonder why? Serbia has a history and a criminal record as a country! So stop with your b.s.

Genti

pre 5 godina

(Sreten)
Sreten, Serbia is not China or Taiwan, it's nowhere close any of them. Behind the Cyprus problem there are two NATO countries, again very different from Serbia & Kosovo. Another conflict means Albanians take at least Presheva & Sanxhak and Serbia gets a bit smaller, like Nokia.

"Mr Vucic. Are you telling us you are prepared to recognize?"
(Sam D)
Yes, that's what he's saying, without spelling it out. The West has put some faith in him, but they will not wait for him forever. Vucic has shown he can't be trusted in multiple occasions.

"Albanians...start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia"
(Al)
Albanians are getting along fine with Montenegrins and Macedonians nowadays. The only problem in the region is radical Serbia. Montenegrins and Macedonians are not going to follow you in your next conflict, no matter how much Serbia tries to destabilize them and drag them into conflict.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Great idea - let's blame all the regional problems on frozen conflict. Our government is not incompetent, Pristina is not incompetent, Banja Luka or Sarajevo are not incompetent....It's all because of frozen conflicts that, apparently do exist only in this part of the world.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to stability?
It just, isn't so.
Many places have frozen conflicts. Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Turkey, yet there is more stability in both part of Cyprus then in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to economic development?
Not really...China and Taiwan are in frozen conflict for a long time, and both have economic growth much higher then anyone in the Balkans.
Taiwan is recognized by only handful of countries, compared to Kosovo that is recognized by a hundred or so, yet, their standard of living cannot be compared.
But, nevermind all that, let's just blame it all on frozen conflicts!
Yeah, right!

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

The current situation with Albanians in fact is the thaw of the frozen conflict of 1918 when Serbs occupied a huge chunk of Albanian land south of Niš.

We are witnessing the situation reverting to its natural balance and the thaw will finish when the squatters return to their native habitat on the other side of the Carpathian Mountains.

So, in essence, Vučić is right but intentionally out of phase - and he knows he is.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere
(bert, 9 January 2019 17:22)
======================
Serbia does not look for conflicts only to preserve what is Serbia's.
You are looking for conflict by stealing.

Al

pre 5 godina

The conflict is frozen until the Albanians are give the go ahead and money by their backers to melt the ice and start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia

ALB-Ferizaj

pre 5 godina

Aleksandar Vucic has told the Financial Times that "frozen conflicts are never frozen because at some moment they melt."


Dude it's Ice Age and it might take hundreds if not thousands of years for this conflict to melt!.

JS

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others. (Mary, 9 January 2019 17:15)

"Campus" or "migrant camp"?

Mary

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others.

bert

pre 5 godina

there is no frozen conflict on kosovo side. soon we will join albania and our problem is being solved. we will have our armed forces at the border with serbia and no more conflicts. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere

bert

pre 5 godina

there is no frozen conflict on kosovo side. soon we will join albania and our problem is being solved. we will have our armed forces at the border with serbia and no more conflicts. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere

Mary

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

The current situation with Albanians in fact is the thaw of the frozen conflict of 1918 when Serbs occupied a huge chunk of Albanian land south of Niš.

We are witnessing the situation reverting to its natural balance and the thaw will finish when the squatters return to their native habitat on the other side of the Carpathian Mountains.

So, in essence, Vučić is right but intentionally out of phase - and he knows he is.

Glow

pre 5 godina

(Peggy, 10 January 2019 02:52


Peggy, you need a lesson on history of your country.
Who started the conflict in Croatia?
Answer : serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Bosnia?
Answer: serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Kosova?
Answer: Serbia!!!

Serbia doesn't have good relations with any countries in the Balkans. I wonder why? Serbia has a history and a criminal record as a country! So stop with your b.s.

Genti

pre 5 godina

(Sreten)
Sreten, Serbia is not China or Taiwan, it's nowhere close any of them. Behind the Cyprus problem there are two NATO countries, again very different from Serbia & Kosovo. Another conflict means Albanians take at least Presheva & Sanxhak and Serbia gets a bit smaller, like Nokia.

"Mr Vucic. Are you telling us you are prepared to recognize?"
(Sam D)
Yes, that's what he's saying, without spelling it out. The West has put some faith in him, but they will not wait for him forever. Vucic has shown he can't be trusted in multiple occasions.

"Albanians...start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia"
(Al)
Albanians are getting along fine with Montenegrins and Macedonians nowadays. The only problem in the region is radical Serbia. Montenegrins and Macedonians are not going to follow you in your next conflict, no matter how much Serbia tries to destabilize them and drag them into conflict.

ALB-Ferizaj

pre 5 godina

Aleksandar Vucic has told the Financial Times that "frozen conflicts are never frozen because at some moment they melt."


Dude it's Ice Age and it might take hundreds if not thousands of years for this conflict to melt!.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.
(Glow, 11 January 2019 13:27)

That's why I insist on frequently refreshing the mind of people like Sreten, sj, Watcher, Roger 7, Peggy, ... about 1000 years of prison time given to the Serbs by ICTY for contribution to inhumanity.

It is not significant if the Serbs will ever mature to face their recent past critically but it is crucially important for the rest of the world to have learnt how to deal with them in the future.

JS

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others. (Mary, 9 January 2019 17:15)

"Campus" or "migrant camp"?

Peggy

pre 5 godina

. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere
(bert, 9 January 2019 17:22)
======================
Serbia does not look for conflicts only to preserve what is Serbia's.
You are looking for conflict by stealing.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Great idea - let's blame all the regional problems on frozen conflict. Our government is not incompetent, Pristina is not incompetent, Banja Luka or Sarajevo are not incompetent....It's all because of frozen conflicts that, apparently do exist only in this part of the world.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to stability?
It just, isn't so.
Many places have frozen conflicts. Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Turkey, yet there is more stability in both part of Cyprus then in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to economic development?
Not really...China and Taiwan are in frozen conflict for a long time, and both have economic growth much higher then anyone in the Balkans.
Taiwan is recognized by only handful of countries, compared to Kosovo that is recognized by a hundred or so, yet, their standard of living cannot be compared.
But, nevermind all that, let's just blame it all on frozen conflicts!
Yeah, right!

Al

pre 5 godina

The conflict is frozen until the Albanians are give the go ahead and money by their backers to melt the ice and start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia

Glow

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Glow,
Stop being stuck in Western propaganda from 90's .

First burning houses in all of former Yugoslavia were in Zadar and Sibenik (in Croatia). Those were Serbian homes.
First massacre in Bosnia was combined action of Muslims and Croats who entered peaceful village of Sijekovac on March 26th, 1992. They killed 60 Serbs civilians, including 17 children, some of them as young as 4. All hell broke after that.
After finnishing Bosnian war in late 1995 it was time for sponsors of wars in Yugoslavia, to open another front - in February, 1996.
But, don't trust me, read what British Parliamentary Comittee wrote about it. (or you, perhaps, think that UK is, and was pro-Serbian????

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/2807.htm#a2

"25. The KLA or UCK (Ushtria Climtare e Kosoves) first publicly announced itself in February 1996 by launching an attack in northern Kosovo on Krajina Serb refugees."

No description? First action of KLA was on February 22nd, 1996. They threw handgranades through windows of a motel where refugees was temporarly housed, killing 1 man, 4 woman and 3 children.
Report continues...

" There followed several more attacks upon Serb police and civilians. In an open letter to the BBC in June that year, the KLA claimed responsibility for killing six Serbs—three policemen and three civilians—in the southern Kosovo town of Decani."

And that's how Serbs started another war...

bert

pre 5 godina

there is no frozen conflict on kosovo side. soon we will join albania and our problem is being solved. we will have our armed forces at the border with serbia and no more conflicts. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere

Glow

pre 5 godina

(Peggy, 10 January 2019 02:52


Peggy, you need a lesson on history of your country.
Who started the conflict in Croatia?
Answer : serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Bosnia?
Answer: serbia!!
Who started the WAR in Kosova?
Answer: Serbia!!!

Serbia doesn't have good relations with any countries in the Balkans. I wonder why? Serbia has a history and a criminal record as a country! So stop with your b.s.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

. serbs can look for conflicts elsewhere
(bert, 9 January 2019 17:22)
======================
Serbia does not look for conflicts only to preserve what is Serbia's.
You are looking for conflict by stealing.

JS

pre 5 godina

Sj,
Vucic has stated above everyone is leaving Serbia and the region, yet you refuse to believe him, however, you still believe in Serb fairytales. It’s amazing they let you leave the “campus”. Oh well, as long as you can do no harm to yourself and others. (Mary, 9 January 2019 17:15)

"Campus" or "migrant camp"?

Al

pre 5 godina

The conflict is frozen until the Albanians are give the go ahead and money by their backers to melt the ice and start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

The current situation with Albanians in fact is the thaw of the frozen conflict of 1918 when Serbs occupied a huge chunk of Albanian land south of Niš.

We are witnessing the situation reverting to its natural balance and the thaw will finish when the squatters return to their native habitat on the other side of the Carpathian Mountains.

So, in essence, Vučić is right but intentionally out of phase - and he knows he is.

Genti

pre 5 godina

(Sreten)
Sreten, Serbia is not China or Taiwan, it's nowhere close any of them. Behind the Cyprus problem there are two NATO countries, again very different from Serbia & Kosovo. Another conflict means Albanians take at least Presheva & Sanxhak and Serbia gets a bit smaller, like Nokia.

"Mr Vucic. Are you telling us you are prepared to recognize?"
(Sam D)
Yes, that's what he's saying, without spelling it out. The West has put some faith in him, but they will not wait for him forever. Vucic has shown he can't be trusted in multiple occasions.

"Albanians...start another uprising in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia"
(Al)
Albanians are getting along fine with Montenegrins and Macedonians nowadays. The only problem in the region is radical Serbia. Montenegrins and Macedonians are not going to follow you in your next conflict, no matter how much Serbia tries to destabilize them and drag them into conflict.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Great idea - let's blame all the regional problems on frozen conflict. Our government is not incompetent, Pristina is not incompetent, Banja Luka or Sarajevo are not incompetent....It's all because of frozen conflicts that, apparently do exist only in this part of the world.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to stability?
It just, isn't so.
Many places have frozen conflicts. Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Turkey, yet there is more stability in both part of Cyprus then in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Frozen conflict is obstacle to economic development?
Not really...China and Taiwan are in frozen conflict for a long time, and both have economic growth much higher then anyone in the Balkans.
Taiwan is recognized by only handful of countries, compared to Kosovo that is recognized by a hundred or so, yet, their standard of living cannot be compared.
But, nevermind all that, let's just blame it all on frozen conflicts!
Yeah, right!

Sreten

pre 5 godina

Glow,
Stop being stuck in Western propaganda from 90's .

First burning houses in all of former Yugoslavia were in Zadar and Sibenik (in Croatia). Those were Serbian homes.
First massacre in Bosnia was combined action of Muslims and Croats who entered peaceful village of Sijekovac on March 26th, 1992. They killed 60 Serbs civilians, including 17 children, some of them as young as 4. All hell broke after that.
After finnishing Bosnian war in late 1995 it was time for sponsors of wars in Yugoslavia, to open another front - in February, 1996.
But, don't trust me, read what British Parliamentary Comittee wrote about it. (or you, perhaps, think that UK is, and was pro-Serbian????

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/2807.htm#a2

"25. The KLA or UCK (Ushtria Climtare e Kosoves) first publicly announced itself in February 1996 by launching an attack in northern Kosovo on Krajina Serb refugees."

No description? First action of KLA was on February 22nd, 1996. They threw handgranades through windows of a motel where refugees was temporarly housed, killing 1 man, 4 woman and 3 children.
Report continues...

" There followed several more attacks upon Serb police and civilians. In an open letter to the BBC in June that year, the KLA claimed responsibility for killing six Serbs—three policemen and three civilians—in the southern Kosovo town of Decani."

And that's how Serbs started another war...

ALB-Ferizaj

pre 5 godina

Aleksandar Vucic has told the Financial Times that "frozen conflicts are never frozen because at some moment they melt."


Dude it's Ice Age and it might take hundreds if not thousands of years for this conflict to melt!.

Glow

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Sreten, 10 January 2019 21:42)

Sreten, stop living with your made up history. Serbia started all these wars with the same idealogy in mind. I lived thru Kosova war and I know what Serbia did. Serbia started oppression on Albanians in 1990 or maybe even earlier. While you read fairytales from the distance I was there in person. Serbia can never dispute the crime and terror that they did in all of these three countries.
(Glow, 11 January 2019 13:27)

That's why I insist on frequently refreshing the mind of people like Sreten, sj, Watcher, Roger 7, Peggy, ... about 1000 years of prison time given to the Serbs by ICTY for contribution to inhumanity.

It is not significant if the Serbs will ever mature to face their recent past critically but it is crucially important for the rest of the world to have learnt how to deal with them in the future.