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Tuesday, 20.11.2018.

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Extreme disappointment: US embassy reacts to Interpol vote

Charge d'affaires of the US embassy in Pristina Colleen Hyland took to Twitter Tuesday to express "extreme disappointment" with the result of the Interpol vote.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Can you please list the top ten? And tell us which number in the hierarchy has been assigned to Mother Theresa? And who assigned this location? You appear to be more a follower of Sufism, rather than Christianity.

Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Your question reveals more about you than the people who may kiss the image of Mary.
In contrast to the evil JS, I don’t judge people, or the faith in their God, based on their rituals.
I kiss a picture of my children ever night before I go to bed: does that mean I do not believe in one God or that I am practicing a form “idolatry”. Apparently the bigoted and evil JS thinks so.
Has your ideological association with the KLA warped you so much you can’t understand that different people express themselves differently to their God, their Saints, their children, their loved ones?

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

I remember kissing my children’s feet when they were neonates and infants. I’m sure many other parents did/do so. We can understand this is foreign to JS and his satanic KLA brethren.

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

My only “knack” was to expose the bigotry and evil of JS.
Stress?
Not.
I’m in total bliss.
I don’t expect JS, and his criminal KLA accomplices, who foolishly claim there is a numerical ordering of Saints, to be able to count anything.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy. Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?

When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...


"And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS.


And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?

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JS

pre 5 godina

"The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 15:14)

By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."

And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship. There is only one true God who revealed himself in Jesus of Nazareth, who commanded his followers neither nor to take revenge.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

But....
(JS, 22 November 2018 17:41)

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM."

When did we discuss that?

"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

"So Samuel said to all the Israelites, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.” So the Israelites put away their Baals and Ashtoreths, and served the Lord only." (1 Sam 7:3-4)

The Word of God teaches us to worship the Lord our God and him alone. No saints. No idols. God alone.

"Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

You were top of the class when you earned your PhD in Exaggeration. Now you just need to earn a BA in Coming-Back-to-Reality.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"...Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)" (Honcho, 22 November 2018 15:20)

I think Zhukov needs to forgive you for teasing him so many time about his odd belief in Santa Claus.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:08)

I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM.
Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence.

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:00)

Santa Claus where?

The original problem with Santa on Dec. 25 was evaded, let's back to it.

Let me streamline the question to JS:

1) when does Santa "visit" children in Serbia (+Russia), Croatia, Austria and Hungary?

2) a difficult one: in what region of Serbia Santa visits the children TWICE during the season?

Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
===…==
December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.
(Peggy, 21 November 2018 23:30)

Peggy, you do not need to convince me.

I wasn't even 3 year old when I learned, that the communist mutiny (called "Great OCTOBER Revolution" at that time) happened on October 26, 1917 - but the same time everyone was forced to "celebrate" that tragedy on November 7 every year after it happened.

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JS

pre 5 godina

Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Saint Nicholas is mentioned nowhere in Holy Scripture, and is not so much as hinted at. Nor do we read about him in the church fathers. The three magi, by contrast, came from the East. What was once the glorification of Christ by wise men from the East has turned into the glorification of a human being ("saint") by "Christians" who yielded sole obedience to Christ and tried to obey both Christ and the Roman state which, of course, was an utter failure.

Now that Western culture has taken hold of the Saint Nicholas tradition and mixed it with other traditions, it has turned into a self-referential buying of gifts to spoil already selfish and disobedient children.

In summary, Saint Nicholas is the paganization of faith in Christ, and Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest."

Saint Nicholas was a fallible human being. Jesus, not "Saint Nic," gave us his life so that we could be ransomed from the power of the devil. This abstract "spirit of giving" is nowhere taught in Scripture, and certainly not one started in reverence to a human being. As your above-cited comment shows, there is no connection between Jesus and your traditions of Nicholas and "the spirit of giving." They are human innovations not divinely given celebrations.

"The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.

Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

There is no single symbolic definition for these respective items. There are various interpretations.
Sadly, JS idiotically associates believers as people who “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”; JS clearly has his own warped interpretation of Christians and Christmas traditions.
Frankly, we’ve read enough of JS’ perversions of Christians and Christmas, that we kindly ask him to stop insulting us and our faith.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is doing.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs.

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

JS clearly does not understand Christianity, the broad “spirit of Christmas”, and how most Christians view Saint Nicholas, or Santa Claus.
JS ignorantly implies that Christians “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”.
JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest.
The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing.

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

Your answers were 100% of course.
This forum has more trolls, than real users. It is not clear, who is who.

Under such circumstances one needs to be careful with any argument.

1) If the opponent of the debate is a honest character: by all means, debate and expose the opponent. Anyone, even members of KLA or SS have right to express their views.

However, the old joke is still valid (just replace "Germans" and "nazis" with whomever does fit the argument):

"Germans are the best, because they are intelligent, honest and nazis.
Unfortunately, it never happens the same time"


2) If he is an artificial character, created by someone on purpose, just to tease you: all the reasoning is in vain.
you just feed the troll. You are the fish. You better to assume: every counter-argument is just as a hook, designed to hurt you.

Luckily: "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself" (Abraham Lincoln). Look for a poorly designed hook.

3) I think, the best argument is like the strongest chili. If you do it right, it looks innocent at first.
But the more you think about it, the least innocent it is.

Like an other joke - which is actually the most horrible curse I ever heard:

"Я желаю, что-бы ты имел самый дорогой айфон.
И что-бы ты постоянно набирал: 01, 02, 03 и 04"

Take care!

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Peggy

pre 5 godina

You aren't exaggerating, are you?
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:50)
=====================
No he's not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0

You need more evidence? Why would you believe your lying eyes when you have your brethren telling you "the truth"?

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Peggy

pre 5 godina

Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
=============================
December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists."
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

I agree. You need all the practice you can get! ;)

If you want to expose the KLA, go ahead. But please be specific. Mention names, dates, and bigoted actions. Then we can agree with you and support your frustration with injustice. (I agree with a significant percentage of what you write, I just think you go overboard in your conclusions.)

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 12:57)

The last three words are: Карету мне, карету!
B Явление 14

BTW: who is the only in that "15"?: Фамусов

Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.

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JS

pre 5 godina

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus? (JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew. Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.

We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.

Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 15:07)

I don't see anything there about Santa Claus. That was the question. Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.

"After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea...Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” (Mt 2:1-2)

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.

"On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh." (Mt 2:11)

They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh not Legos, Barbie Dolls, and earrings. Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew.
Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.
We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.
Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions.

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

Yeahhhhh... but you have to be 100% crystal-clear about the days.
That's where we have a problem. ;-)

Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.

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JS

pre 5 godina

"And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?

In Russian (even latinised), please, not in English. The last number is 15, just in case you do not understand what I do mean.

BTW: who is the only in that "15"? It's very short. Sorry, this challenge is far stronger than of JS, but большому кораблю - большое плаванье.

Unfortunately, there are so many trolls here. The only topic I want to talk with a troll is his sexual life with his donkey mistress.


Thanks!

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Oh, no!

I made a horrific mistake, sramota, sramota, sramota.
Стыд и срам - most people make it, but this is not an excuse.

This one goes to Zhukov, not JS. What's wrong with "Свежо предание - но верится с трудом"? It's that bad, I gave myself a "-".
I never give these "+" or "-" to anyone, but it was really bad.

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania.
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:48)

Oh, no! That's the SECOND mistake. Sorry, things do not look good, but here are some difficult puzzles.


a) On what day the kids in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Georgia expecting Santa?
And on what day in Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria, Poland?
And on what day in most Western world?

b) The children in Albania and Chechnya are not left behind. When that "Santa" comes to them, why he is not "Santa" and what's the difference in his dress?

c) In a large part of this world Santa has nothing to do with Christmas.
His role is taken by… (Most difficult question because there are TWO options, not one).

Apologies, but only an ignorant American (Japanese, Chinese, Canadian) would associate December 25 with Santa.

If an American does not smell the coffee the very first winter he spends in Serbia - he is either completely walled-in. Or does not even live in "Jужна Србиjа".

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Our US born Serb who owns several farms in southern Serbia seems very protective of the US. I suppose its desire to quell Serbian nationalism makes it swing towards America.
I have yet to see it raise an issue with the other side. The question is does JS live in Serbia while working at the US embassy and is a paid US troll or is it contacting the outside world from a basement in the US in-between making millions working several jobs. One thing is for sure it certainly is a fake Serb.
I suggest you do some light reading about capabilities of US military and its place in the military technology stakes where China and Russia are concerned. The US is stuffed; a recent report from the Rand Corp said the US has fallen behind in areas where it once led. The cure? Spend more money. Gee it already spends 25 times more than its allies and its producing crap like the F35, but more money will cure all ills LOL.

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JS

pre 5 godina

If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;) (Honcho Atamanovic Honchev, 20 November 2018 22:11)

A few years ago, I decided to celebrate Christmas in Bulgaria with the thought that I would miss the busy season. But when I arrived in Plovdiv, I quickly realized that they use the same calendar as in the States. So, what else to do but celebrated with them! :)

Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania. I guess they need a break after delivering gifts to all the brats in America. ;)

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JS

pre 5 godina

"O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian."

Would you mind sharing the incriminating evidence?

"And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers." (DEDA CVETKO, 21 November 2018 04:44)

You aren't exaggerating, are you?

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DEDA CVETKO

pre 5 godina

O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian.

And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers.

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Живо предание - но верится с трудом

pre 5 godina

The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Попался, голубчик. Главный праздник Рождества 24-го а не 25-го, как в Штатах. И Николы-Угоника 25-го нет. В средней и восточной Европе даже 24-го он не ходит. Так где же он живёт? В Сербии? Живо предание.

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Honcho Atamanovic Honchev

pre 5 godina

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;)

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

I hope she cries all the way home!
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 20 November 2018 19:23)

You are right, my fault, somehow I had impression "Colleen" is a male name. I should stand corrected. For the sake of decency she should cry.
Kissing Hank's ass should be the destiny of her colleague in Belgrade, Kyle Scott.

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JS

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...

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DEDA CVETKO

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O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian.

And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers.

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Zhukov

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.

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JS

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...

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sj

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(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Our US born Serb who owns several farms in southern Serbia seems very protective of the US. I suppose its desire to quell Serbian nationalism makes it swing towards America.
I have yet to see it raise an issue with the other side. The question is does JS live in Serbia while working at the US embassy and is a paid US troll or is it contacting the outside world from a basement in the US in-between making millions working several jobs. One thing is for sure it certainly is a fake Serb.
I suggest you do some light reading about capabilities of US military and its place in the military technology stakes where China and Russia are concerned. The US is stuffed; a recent report from the Rand Corp said the US has fallen behind in areas where it once led. The cure? Spend more money. Gee it already spends 25 times more than its allies and its producing crap like the F35, but more money will cure all ills LOL.

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Zhukov

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And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew.
Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.
We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.
Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions.

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Zhukov

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OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 12:57)

The last three words are: Карету мне, карету!
B Явление 14

BTW: who is the only in that "15"?: Фамусов

Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.

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Honcho Atamanovic Honchev

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And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;)

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Honcho

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Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania.
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:48)

Oh, no! That's the SECOND mistake. Sorry, things do not look good, but here are some difficult puzzles.


a) On what day the kids in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Georgia expecting Santa?
And on what day in Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria, Poland?
And on what day in most Western world?

b) The children in Albania and Chechnya are not left behind. When that "Santa" comes to them, why he is not "Santa" and what's the difference in his dress?

c) In a large part of this world Santa has nothing to do with Christmas.
His role is taken by… (Most difficult question because there are TWO options, not one).

Apologies, but only an ignorant American (Japanese, Chinese, Canadian) would associate December 25 with Santa.

If an American does not smell the coffee the very first winter he spends in Serbia - he is either completely walled-in. Or does not even live in "Jужна Србиjа".

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Zhukov

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Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs.

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

JS clearly does not understand Christianity, the broad “spirit of Christmas”, and how most Christians view Saint Nicholas, or Santa Claus.
JS ignorantly implies that Christians “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”.
JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest.
The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing.

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Honcho

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I hope she cries all the way home!
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 20 November 2018 19:23)

You are right, my fault, somehow I had impression "Colleen" is a male name. I should stand corrected. For the sake of decency she should cry.
Kissing Hank's ass should be the destiny of her colleague in Belgrade, Kyle Scott.

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JS

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"O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian."

Would you mind sharing the incriminating evidence?

"And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers." (DEDA CVETKO, 21 November 2018 04:44)

You aren't exaggerating, are you?

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Honcho

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As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?

In Russian (even latinised), please, not in English. The last number is 15, just in case you do not understand what I do mean.

BTW: who is the only in that "15"? It's very short. Sorry, this challenge is far stronger than of JS, but большому кораблю - большое плаванье.

Unfortunately, there are so many trolls here. The only topic I want to talk with a troll is his sexual life with his donkey mistress.


Thanks!

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Zhukov

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Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

There is no single symbolic definition for these respective items. There are various interpretations.
Sadly, JS idiotically associates believers as people who “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”; JS clearly has his own warped interpretation of Christians and Christmas traditions.
Frankly, we’ve read enough of JS’ perversions of Christians and Christmas, that we kindly ask him to stop insulting us and our faith.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is doing.

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Zhukov

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Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:08)

I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM.
Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence.

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Zhukov

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Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

But....
(JS, 22 November 2018 17:41)

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil.

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Zhukov

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There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil.

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JS

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If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;) (Honcho Atamanovic Honchev, 20 November 2018 22:11)

A few years ago, I decided to celebrate Christmas in Bulgaria with the thought that I would miss the busy season. But when I arrived in Plovdiv, I quickly realized that they use the same calendar as in the States. So, what else to do but celebrated with them! :)

Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania. I guess they need a break after delivering gifts to all the brats in America. ;)

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Honcho

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Oh, no!

I made a horrific mistake, sramota, sramota, sramota.
Стыд и срам - most people make it, but this is not an excuse.

This one goes to Zhukov, not JS. What's wrong with "Свежо предание - но верится с трудом"? It's that bad, I gave myself a "-".
I never give these "+" or "-" to anyone, but it was really bad.

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JS

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In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus? (JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew. Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.

We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.

Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 15:07)

I don't see anything there about Santa Claus. That was the question. Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.

"After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea...Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” (Mt 2:1-2)

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.

"On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh." (Mt 2:11)

They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh not Legos, Barbie Dolls, and earrings. Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?

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JS

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Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Saint Nicholas is mentioned nowhere in Holy Scripture, and is not so much as hinted at. Nor do we read about him in the church fathers. The three magi, by contrast, came from the East. What was once the glorification of Christ by wise men from the East has turned into the glorification of a human being ("saint") by "Christians" who yielded sole obedience to Christ and tried to obey both Christ and the Roman state which, of course, was an utter failure.

Now that Western culture has taken hold of the Saint Nicholas tradition and mixed it with other traditions, it has turned into a self-referential buying of gifts to spoil already selfish and disobedient children.

In summary, Saint Nicholas is the paganization of faith in Christ, and Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.

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JS

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"JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest."

Saint Nicholas was a fallible human being. Jesus, not "Saint Nic," gave us his life so that we could be ransomed from the power of the devil. This abstract "spirit of giving" is nowhere taught in Scripture, and certainly not one started in reverence to a human being. As your above-cited comment shows, there is no connection between Jesus and your traditions of Nicholas and "the spirit of giving." They are human innovations not divinely given celebrations.

"The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.

Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.

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Honcho

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Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
===…==
December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.
(Peggy, 21 November 2018 23:30)

Peggy, you do not need to convince me.

I wasn't even 3 year old when I learned, that the communist mutiny (called "Great OCTOBER Revolution" at that time) happened on October 26, 1917 - but the same time everyone was forced to "celebrate" that tragedy on November 7 every year after it happened.

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JS

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"I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM."

When did we discuss that?

"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

"So Samuel said to all the Israelites, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.” So the Israelites put away their Baals and Ashtoreths, and served the Lord only." (1 Sam 7:3-4)

The Word of God teaches us to worship the Lord our God and him alone. No saints. No idols. God alone.

"Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

You were top of the class when you earned your PhD in Exaggeration. Now you just need to earn a BA in Coming-Back-to-Reality.

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Zhukov

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By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS.


And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?

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Zhukov

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When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

I remember kissing my children’s feet when they were neonates and infants. I’m sure many other parents did/do so. We can understand this is foreign to JS and his satanic KLA brethren.

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

My only “knack” was to expose the bigotry and evil of JS.
Stress?
Not.
I’m in total bliss.
I don’t expect JS, and his criminal KLA accomplices, who foolishly claim there is a numerical ordering of Saints, to be able to count anything.

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Zhukov

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Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Can you please list the top ten? And tell us which number in the hierarchy has been assigned to Mother Theresa? And who assigned this location? You appear to be more a follower of Sufism, rather than Christianity.

Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Your question reveals more about you than the people who may kiss the image of Mary.
In contrast to the evil JS, I don’t judge people, or the faith in their God, based on their rituals.
I kiss a picture of my children ever night before I go to bed: does that mean I do not believe in one God or that I am practicing a form “idolatry”. Apparently the bigoted and evil JS thinks so.
Has your ideological association with the KLA warped you so much you can’t understand that different people express themselves differently to their God, their Saints, their children, their loved ones?

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Живо предание - но верится с трудом

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Попался, голубчик. Главный праздник Рождества 24-го а не 25-го, как в Штатах. И Николы-Угоника 25-го нет. В средней и восточной Европе даже 24-го он не ходит. Так где же он живёт? В Сербии? Живо предание.

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JS

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"And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?

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Honcho

pre 5 godina

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

Yeahhhhh... but you have to be 100% crystal-clear about the days.
That's where we have a problem. ;-)

Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.

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JS

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"I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists."
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

I agree. You need all the practice you can get! ;)

If you want to expose the KLA, go ahead. But please be specific. Mention names, dates, and bigoted actions. Then we can agree with you and support your frustration with injustice. (I agree with a significant percentage of what you write, I just think you go overboard in your conclusions.)

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Peggy

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Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
=============================
December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.

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Peggy

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You aren't exaggerating, are you?
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:50)
=====================
No he's not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0

You need more evidence? Why would you believe your lying eyes when you have your brethren telling you "the truth"?

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Honcho

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Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

Your answers were 100% of course.
This forum has more trolls, than real users. It is not clear, who is who.

Under such circumstances one needs to be careful with any argument.

1) If the opponent of the debate is a honest character: by all means, debate and expose the opponent. Anyone, even members of KLA or SS have right to express their views.

However, the old joke is still valid (just replace "Germans" and "nazis" with whomever does fit the argument):

"Germans are the best, because they are intelligent, honest and nazis.
Unfortunately, it never happens the same time"


2) If he is an artificial character, created by someone on purpose, just to tease you: all the reasoning is in vain.
you just feed the troll. You are the fish. You better to assume: every counter-argument is just as a hook, designed to hurt you.

Luckily: "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself" (Abraham Lincoln). Look for a poorly designed hook.

3) I think, the best argument is like the strongest chili. If you do it right, it looks innocent at first.
But the more you think about it, the least innocent it is.

Like an other joke - which is actually the most horrible curse I ever heard:

"Я желаю, что-бы ты имел самый дорогой айфон.
И что-бы ты постоянно набирал: 01, 02, 03 и 04"

Take care!

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Honcho

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Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:00)

Santa Claus where?

The original problem with Santa on Dec. 25 was evaded, let's back to it.

Let me streamline the question to JS:

1) when does Santa "visit" children in Serbia (+Russia), Croatia, Austria and Hungary?

2) a difficult one: in what region of Serbia Santa visits the children TWICE during the season?

Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)

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JS

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"...Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)" (Honcho, 22 November 2018 15:20)

I think Zhukov needs to forgive you for teasing him so many time about his odd belief in Santa Claus.

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JS

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"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship. There is only one true God who revealed himself in Jesus of Nazareth, who commanded his followers neither nor to take revenge.

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JS

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"The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 15:14)

By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."

And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?

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JS

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"By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy. Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?

When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...


"And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.

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JS

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...

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JS

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"O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian."

Would you mind sharing the incriminating evidence?

"And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers." (DEDA CVETKO, 21 November 2018 04:44)

You aren't exaggerating, are you?

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JS

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"And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?

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JS

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In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus? (JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew. Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.

We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.

Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 15:07)

I don't see anything there about Santa Claus. That was the question. Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.

"After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea...Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” (Mt 2:1-2)

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.

"On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh." (Mt 2:11)

They gave him gold, frankincense and myrrh not Legos, Barbie Dolls, and earrings. Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?

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JS

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If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;) (Honcho Atamanovic Honchev, 20 November 2018 22:11)

A few years ago, I decided to celebrate Christmas in Bulgaria with the thought that I would miss the busy season. But when I arrived in Plovdiv, I quickly realized that they use the same calendar as in the States. So, what else to do but celebrated with them! :)

Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania. I guess they need a break after delivering gifts to all the brats in America. ;)

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Живо предание - но верится с трудом

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Попался, голубчик. Главный праздник Рождества 24-го а не 25-го, как в Штатах. И Николы-Угоника 25-го нет. В средней и восточной Европе даже 24-го он не ходит. Так где же он живёт? В Сербии? Живо предание.

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DEDA CVETKO

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O,my! The US "embassy" in Kosovo wasn't so hugely disappointed a decade ago when the "Kosovar" (sic) mob was burning 200+ churches and monasteries in Kosovo and expelling and killing everyone who dared speak Serbian.

And I don't remember State Department shedding any crocodile tears when the living Serbs were carved up like animals and their body parts sold for cold hard cash to the rich New Yorkers.

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sj

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(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

Our US born Serb who owns several farms in southern Serbia seems very protective of the US. I suppose its desire to quell Serbian nationalism makes it swing towards America.
I have yet to see it raise an issue with the other side. The question is does JS live in Serbia while working at the US embassy and is a paid US troll or is it contacting the outside world from a basement in the US in-between making millions working several jobs. One thing is for sure it certainly is a fake Serb.
I suggest you do some light reading about capabilities of US military and its place in the military technology stakes where China and Russia are concerned. The US is stuffed; a recent report from the Rand Corp said the US has fallen behind in areas where it once led. The cure? Spend more money. Gee it already spends 25 times more than its allies and its producing crap like the F35, but more money will cure all ills LOL.

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JS

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"I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists."
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

I agree. You need all the practice you can get! ;)

If you want to expose the KLA, go ahead. But please be specific. Mention names, dates, and bigoted actions. Then we can agree with you and support your frustration with injustice. (I agree with a significant percentage of what you write, I just think you go overboard in your conclusions.)

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Honcho Atamanovic Honchev

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And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

If you don't mind, regarding Croatia, Russia, Serbia: please elaborate when is Santa Claus busy ;)

December 25 somehow does not add up. Are you sure, you live in Southern Serbia? ;)

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Zhukov

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The entire USA/ NATO/KLA evil criminal enterprise will eventually fail. (Zhukov, 20 November 2018 16:54)

And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice...
(JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.

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Zhukov

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Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs.

They came to worship him, not worship themselves or a man wearing a red jacket and driving reindeer.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

JS clearly does not understand Christianity, the broad “spirit of Christmas”, and how most Christians view Saint Nicholas, or Santa Claus.
JS ignorantly implies that Christians “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”.
JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest.
The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing.

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Zhukov

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Do you know what the symbolism is of gold, frankincense, and myrrh?
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

There is no single symbolic definition for these respective items. There are various interpretations.
Sadly, JS idiotically associates believers as people who “worship themselves or a man wearing a red suit and driving reindeer”; JS clearly has his own warped interpretation of Christians and Christmas traditions.
Frankly, we’ve read enough of JS’ perversions of Christians and Christmas, that we kindly ask him to stop insulting us and our faith.
Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is doing.

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JS

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Historically and theologically speaking, Santa Claus is a paganization of Christian Christmas.
(JS, 21 November 2018 16:06)

To the delusional and bigoted KLA apologists, like JS, we are not surprised to read such ignorant comments. Santa Claus is recognized as Saint Nicholas by many Christians. That JS claims Saint Nicholas is ungodly, or “pagan”, reflects JS’ severe deficiencies in Christian tradition and beliefs." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Saint Nicholas is mentioned nowhere in Holy Scripture, and is not so much as hinted at. Nor do we read about him in the church fathers. The three magi, by contrast, came from the East. What was once the glorification of Christ by wise men from the East has turned into the glorification of a human being ("saint") by "Christians" who yielded sole obedience to Christ and tried to obey both Christ and the Roman state which, of course, was an utter failure.

Now that Western culture has taken hold of the Saint Nicholas tradition and mixed it with other traditions, it has turned into a self-referential buying of gifts to spoil already selfish and disobedient children.

In summary, Saint Nicholas is the paganization of faith in Christ, and Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.

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Zhukov

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Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:08)

I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM.
Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence.

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JS

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"...Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)" (Honcho, 22 November 2018 15:20)

I think Zhukov needs to forgive you for teasing him so many time about his odd belief in Santa Claus.

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JS

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"I stand corrected and will revise my inaccuracies.
Let us first summarize a few facts from this comment stream -
Fact 20: JS clearly doesn’t recognize (is willfully blind to ?) the number of churches/monasteries the KLA destroyed or desecrated in KiM."

When did we discuss that?

"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

"So Samuel said to all the Israelites, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your hearts, then rid yourselves of the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths and commit yourselves to the Lord and serve him only, and he will deliver you out of the hand of the Philistines.” So the Israelites put away their Baals and Ashtoreths, and served the Lord only." (1 Sam 7:3-4)

The Word of God teaches us to worship the Lord our God and him alone. No saints. No idols. God alone.

"Fact 22: It was inaccurate to call JS a KLA apologist. JS’ stature, from his own words, is more akin to an ideological accomplice and member of this criminal terrorist organization.
I won’t make the mistake again and I’ll be sure to address JS with a more suitable KLA title in all of our future correspondence." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

You were top of the class when you earned your PhD in Exaggeration. Now you just need to earn a BA in Coming-Back-to-Reality.

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Zhukov

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Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM.
(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 16:53)

But....
(JS, 22 November 2018 17:41)

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil.

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JS

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"Fact 21: In an endless rant, JS paganizes a well known Christian saint whose icons the KLA burned and desecrated in KiM."

But scripture says:

There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship. There is only one true God who revealed himself in Jesus of Nazareth, who commanded his followers neither nor to take revenge.

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Zhukov

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There is no moral “But...”, or justification, for the KLA’s desecration of icons, churches and monasteries.
Be it through your “paganization”, or your brethren’s desecration/incineration of Christian symbols: the KLA and their ideological accomplice, JS, represent pure evil." (Zhukov, 22 November 2018 22:04)

The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil.

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JS

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"The scripture quote shows that worshipping a being or person other than God is idolatry. Therefore the object of my "But" was "a well known Christian saint." You called him this BUT I say that this is idoaltry. The point is that something cannot be Christian if it makes anything or anyone an object of worship.
(JS, 23 November 2018 09:59)

Fact 22: There is a difference in meaning between the word “known” and the word “worship”.
Fact 23: “Knowing” a Saint and “worshipping” our one true God are not mutually exclusive. Unless, like JS, you are an accomplice of the KLA who (ab)uses scriptures in his “But...” responses to justify his and his accomplices’ evil."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 15:14)

By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."

And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?

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Zhukov

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By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS.


And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?

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JS

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"By definition, a saint is venerated. That is a fancy way of saying "worship."
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy. Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?

When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...


"And what does the KLA have to do with an ethnic Serb in Serbia?
(JS, 23 November 2018 17:26)

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.

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Zhukov

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When I respect people, I don't normally kiss their feet or pray to them...
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

I remember kissing my children’s feet when they were neonates and infants. I’m sure many other parents did/do so. We can understand this is foreign to JS and his satanic KLA brethren.

Which specific “ethnic Serb” do JS and JS’ ideological accomplices, the KLA, want to target now?"
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

You have a special knack for turning things around. But when it comes to numbers you are struggling with keeping them sequential. But it's ok, no need to stress out. Polako, samo polako.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

My only “knack” was to expose the bigotry and evil of JS.
Stress?
Not.
I’m in total bliss.
I don’t expect JS, and his criminal KLA accomplices, who foolishly claim there is a numerical ordering of Saints, to be able to count anything.

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Zhukov

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Fact #24: Venerated is fancy way of saying “respect”.
Many people venerate Mother Theresa, that does not mean they “worship” her, unless of course you are a delusional KLA accomplice named JS."
(Zhukov, 23 November 2018 19:37)

There are gradations depending on the "saint" and their location in the hierarchy.
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Can you please list the top ten? And tell us which number in the hierarchy has been assigned to Mother Theresa? And who assigned this location? You appear to be more a follower of Sufism, rather than Christianity.

Kissing the image of Mary, for example. Praying to her. Is that only respect, or is that properly called worship?
(JS, 23 November 2018 22:11)

Your question reveals more about you than the people who may kiss the image of Mary.
In contrast to the evil JS, I don’t judge people, or the faith in their God, based on their rituals.
I kiss a picture of my children ever night before I go to bed: does that mean I do not believe in one God or that I am practicing a form “idolatry”. Apparently the bigoted and evil JS thinks so.
Has your ideological association with the KLA warped you so much you can’t understand that different people express themselves differently to their God, their Saints, their children, their loved ones?

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Honcho

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I hope she cries all the way home!
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 20 November 2018 19:23)

You are right, my fault, somehow I had impression "Colleen" is a male name. I should stand corrected. For the sake of decency she should cry.
Kissing Hank's ass should be the destiny of her colleague in Belgrade, Kyle Scott.

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Honcho

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Yeah, Santa comes to Serbia a few weeks later than in the States, Bulgaria, and Romania.
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:48)

Oh, no! That's the SECOND mistake. Sorry, things do not look good, but here are some difficult puzzles.


a) On what day the kids in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Macedonia, Ukraine, Georgia expecting Santa?
And on what day in Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria, Poland?
And on what day in most Western world?

b) The children in Albania and Chechnya are not left behind. When that "Santa" comes to them, why he is not "Santa" and what's the difference in his dress?

c) In a large part of this world Santa has nothing to do with Christmas.
His role is taken by… (Most difficult question because there are TWO options, not one).

Apologies, but only an ignorant American (Japanese, Chinese, Canadian) would associate December 25 with Santa.

If an American does not smell the coffee the very first winter he spends in Serbia - he is either completely walled-in. Or does not even live in "Jужна Србиjа".

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Honcho

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Oh, no!

I made a horrific mistake, sramota, sramota, sramota.
Стыд и срам - most people make it, but this is not an excuse.

This one goes to Zhukov, not JS. What's wrong with "Свежо предание - но верится с трудом"? It's that bad, I gave myself a "-".
I never give these "+" or "-" to anyone, but it was really bad.

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Honcho

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As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?

In Russian (even latinised), please, not in English. The last number is 15, just in case you do not understand what I do mean.

BTW: who is the only in that "15"? It's very short. Sorry, this challenge is far stronger than of JS, but большому кораблю - большое плаванье.

Unfortunately, there are so many trolls here. The only topic I want to talk with a troll is his sexual life with his donkey mistress.


Thanks!

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Zhukov

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And eventually Santa Claus will stop delivering gifts every December 25th to children who were nice... (JS, 20 November 2018 21:12)

As a KLA apologist, it’s not suprising JS mocks traditional symbols of Christmas and Christianity." (Zhukov, 21 November 2018 11:13)

Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."

In which gospel or which church father did you read about Santa Claus?
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

The tradition of gift giving can be referenced to the gospel of Matthew.
Also, Santa Claus, by some Christians is also known as Saint Nicholas.
We certainly do not expect the IQ of a KLA apologist to recognize these traditional Christian symbols. Nonetheless, we kindly ask that you refrain from mocking Christian traditions.
Even if you fail, we as Christians will Thank you in advance for at least trying to understand our religion and diverse traditions.

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Honcho

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Santa Claus as a "traditional symbol of Christianity."
(JS, 21 November 2018 13:08)

Yeahhhhh... but you have to be 100% crystal-clear about the days.
That's where we have a problem. ;-)

Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.

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Zhukov

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OK, OK - since I did mention that Грибоедов - thing... and there are more trolls here, than Russians... can you maybe tell me the last three words of Ч*ц**й within Горе от Ума and what is the number associated with it?
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 12:57)

The last three words are: Карету мне, карету!
B Явление 14

BTW: who is the only in that "15"?: Фамусов

Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.

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Peggy

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Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
=============================
December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.

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Peggy

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You aren't exaggerating, are you?
(JS, 21 November 2018 10:50)
=====================
No he's not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZP0ExmJ9a0

You need more evidence? Why would you believe your lying eyes when you have your brethren telling you "the truth"?

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Honcho

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Sorry Honcho, I can’t answer any more trivia. I do like to focus my comments on exposing bigoted KLA apologists.
(Zhukov, 21 November 2018 16:17)

Your answers were 100% of course.
This forum has more trolls, than real users. It is not clear, who is who.

Under such circumstances one needs to be careful with any argument.

1) If the opponent of the debate is a honest character: by all means, debate and expose the opponent. Anyone, even members of KLA or SS have right to express their views.

However, the old joke is still valid (just replace "Germans" and "nazis" with whomever does fit the argument):

"Germans are the best, because they are intelligent, honest and nazis.
Unfortunately, it never happens the same time"


2) If he is an artificial character, created by someone on purpose, just to tease you: all the reasoning is in vain.
you just feed the troll. You are the fish. You better to assume: every counter-argument is just as a hook, designed to hurt you.

Luckily: "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself" (Abraham Lincoln). Look for a poorly designed hook.

3) I think, the best argument is like the strongest chili. If you do it right, it looks innocent at first.
But the more you think about it, the least innocent it is.

Like an other joke - which is actually the most horrible curse I ever heard:

"Я желаю, что-бы ты имел самый дорогой айфон.
И что-бы ты постоянно набирал: 01, 02, 03 и 04"

Take care!

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JS

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"JS should realize that Christmas is about giving, and the symbols of Saint Nic represent the spirt of giving, particularly to innocent children, wherein the innocence and purity of our Lord Jesus Christ shines brightest."

Saint Nicholas was a fallible human being. Jesus, not "Saint Nic," gave us his life so that we could be ransomed from the power of the devil. This abstract "spirit of giving" is nowhere taught in Scripture, and certainly not one started in reverence to a human being. As your above-cited comment shows, there is no connection between Jesus and your traditions of Nicholas and "the spirit of giving." They are human innovations not divinely given celebrations.

"The warped words from JS expose the empty moral soul of a KLA apologist. During this time of year, we should all pray that the dark evil in JS’ soul is one day replaced with the gift and bright love represented by Saint Nic, and our Lord.

Forgive him Father, JS does not know what he is writing."(Zhukov, 22 November 2018 02:32)

Your efforts would be better rewarded if you would repent of calling me a KLA apologist, that is, lying and slander.

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Honcho

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Santa Claus is the double paganization perpetrated by secular Western culture on an already-paganized tradition.
(JS, 22 November 2018 13:00)

Santa Claus where?

The original problem with Santa on Dec. 25 was evaded, let's back to it.

Let me streamline the question to JS:

1) when does Santa "visit" children in Serbia (+Russia), Croatia, Austria and Hungary?

2) a difficult one: in what region of Serbia Santa visits the children TWICE during the season?

Of course, there is no Santa on Dec 25, neither on Jan. 7. All what was told about Christmas, Jesus and Santa is (at least in all above countries) moot.

So JS, please, I need some clear date(s), something like "Nov. 7" or "April 1". ;-)

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Honcho

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Hint: December 25 or January 7 is out of question, sorry.
(Honcho, 21 November 2018 15:23)
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December 25 is January 7. It just depends on which calendar you use.
Nobody is saying Jesus was born twice.
(Peggy, 21 November 2018 23:30)

Peggy, you do not need to convince me.

I wasn't even 3 year old when I learned, that the communist mutiny (called "Great OCTOBER Revolution" at that time) happened on October 26, 1917 - but the same time everyone was forced to "celebrate" that tragedy on November 7 every year after it happened.

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