Dacic...Kosovo has already gone... No need to dangle a carrot. Stop the childish games and wasting time on something that will never return. Focus on feeding the 500,000+ Serbs who live in poverty. It’s no wonder Serbs aren’t having children. Even a dog won’t breed if it’s continually hungry.
We are talking legal issues so 1999 does not come into question. It’s the 2008 act of declaring independence then separating – that is what Dacic was referring to. The actual separation occurred in 2008.
I have always said if the US of Piss and Wind adopts this tactic of using something when convenient then so should Serbia, but that’s only my opinion. I don’t speak for anyone else. I get tired of people expecting Serbia to adhere to laws while everyone else wipes their feet on those same laws and goes along their merry way.
I have worked long enough in the real world to know that in most cases it’s a dog eat dog world while they try and mask it as living within laws.
sj: "Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law."
No, the actual separation happened in 1999, he was referring to "a single event" in 2008.
sj: "The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares."
OK, then why do you complain when others do the same? If international law is not sacred to you, why should it be for someone else? You think other people are stupid?
How pathetic. Now into racial slurs and that coming from an Albo too as if Albos were the elite of human society instead of bottom feeders LOL.
(sj, 29 October 2018 14:16)
Why? Tomboy is a half-Pashtun half-Paki Gypsy from Shutka. Has nothing to do with Albanians, only with SS Skenderbeg. Sieg! Hail!! Fail!!!
Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law. The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares.
We now have Kosova and we're not giving it back.
(Kosova Albanian, 29 October 2018 14:40)
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Nobody is asking you to give anything. We'll take it back.
sj: "The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. "
And Dacic said that this act violated international law, in direct contradiction of the court's advisory. All this dancing around this obvious statement is to hide the fact that Serbia doesn't give a rat's behind about the court of the international law in general. That it will use it when it's in interest and discard it when not.
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 16:06)
The International Court was asked, and it delivered, an advisory opinion only, yes advisory opinion, not a Court ruling.
The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. The New York legislature can declare New York independent from the US, and this declaration would not have violated any international law, but the physical move to separate from the US is covered under international law.
Law has many fine points so it’s not as simple as just repeating like a parrot that Kosovo's declaration of independence was validated in the eyes of international law. It has not. To put to rest any Serbian claims you need to go to the Court and seek a decision, yes, a decision, not an advisory opinion. If the Court said Kosovo is independent then Serbia’s case is finished.
Why did the then Serbian Government seek such advice from the Court and not launch full Court action? Well Boris Tadic and Vuk Jeremic got a pile of cash for their efforts from the US to ask an opinion. If it went to Court the US would have risked the Court ruling against them and therefore huge repercussions for the US. If for some miraculous reasons the Court ruled that Kosovo was independent, then that would open the flood gates to every ethnic group to seek independence.
Fake Italian Albo, the Court was asked for an advisory opinion not a ruling – there is a difference you might want to look it up in the dictionary where you get your big words.
No Kosvars cannot say that since the FRY was constituted legally, and it could not be contested under international law.
Although I know the point you trying to convey, your post is almost incomprehensible due to your hard efforts to sound learned LOL. If you’re not careful you could turn out to be like the oozlum bird, the one that disappeared up its own orifice.
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police...
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly...
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs...
(Honcho, 27 October 2018 11:14)
If you could then kindly explain your understanding as to for which unclear legal reasons to Serbia did the Serbian Government address the ICJ to deliberate the legality of Kosova's Independence Declaration?!
Using your argument, Kosovars can rightfully also say that the act of "declaring" the state of FRY was just a gathering of a bunch of butcher Serbs and although as a such it isn't illegal in international law, in reality, that gathering didn't yield a country called FRY as per international law. So, by following your logic, FRY never existed. I am fine with that.
Honcho: "He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult. "
No, it's actually very simple. The ruling of the ICJ clarified that the declaration of independence of Kosova does not violate international law. You've been giving a lot of hypothetical and silly examples, but Serbia asked a very specific question and got the answer for that question. For now Serbia to come out and claim the exact opposite of what the court advised, means that Serbia has absolutely zero regard for the court.
UNSC issued tons of resolutions during the Kosova war demanding FRY to stop the violence against civilians, all of which were ignored. But when it was convenient, they all of a sudden became such ardent supporters of the international law. Utter hypocrisy. No wonder no one takes Serbia's crocodile tears seriously.
"People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs."
Well, what deal could there be when Dacic claims that Serbia will recognize Kosova when pigs will fly.
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HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
(PETER THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS, 26 October 2018 19:30)
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Looks like someone has dropped the ball at your end B92.
Why aren't you enforcing your own rules?
I am surprised this mad man is till at office.
Let me comper with your situation regarding Kosovo Mr little Slobo.A man was very badly treating his wife and never let her do anything always has stopped her achieving things she wasn’t never able to do anything due to violence he done to her then one day she wake up and reported to the police and police rescue her and man sentenced to serve a jail and the Women now in Freedom is doing its best And achieving all possibleitys she can,But the man that treated her in bad way and committed the worst crimes against her isn’t accepting that she has moved on and doing better then him and categorically refusing to come to terms and he is telling everyone that that Women used to be mine and still is but everyone is telling him stop stop your hurting your self she isn’t no longer yours.you didn’t look after her and now she is gone and isn’t coming back so as soon as you accept the reality soon you start doing better to. That’s how Serbia and Kosovo story is really, so start looking after Vojvodina,Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley as if not You going to lose them to.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 22:27)
He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult.
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police.
See the incident in Waco, TX ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege )
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly.
As long as this continues the conflict will also continue.
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs.
And the same time the B92 site will still suffer from buggy and annoying Captcha. :(
If, in fact, that is what he meant. It's not exactly clear. Journalist uses "apparently referring".
"...but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said, apparently referring to the unilateral declaration of independence, which Serbia rejects. "
Declaring something is one thing, but acting upon this declaration another.
You can go to London, England, stand up in a Hyde Park and declare yourself to be King himself, and rightful heir to the British throne.
Nothing illegal about that.
One can declare anything he/she wants, except , maybe in EU, as we have seen that Puigdemont declared Catalonia to be independent (after referendum) and ended up in jail just for declaring it..
But, generally, you can declare yourself to be King of England, and there is nothing illegal about it, but should you try to enter Buckingham Palace and attempt to dispose of "illegal occupants" (in your belief) who reside there you will end up in jail.
Disgusting German idiot. The CDU will soon be laughing on the other side of their faces when the not so "Grand Coalition" in Germany collapses and Mutti Merkel is left in ruins.
Sreten: "That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law! "
Correct Sreten!
This is Dacic's direct quote: "international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina"
Sreten: "Where do you find it contradictory?"
Right there! Compare your sentence to that of Dacic's.
Dacic is saying that the declaration of independence by the authorities in Pristina in 2008, violated international law. Per ICJ, this declaration did not violate international law.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
(Zoran, 26 October 2018 15:53)
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There is really no point trying to straightened misconceptions and misinterpretations ot some people here, most of the time. I wouldn't waist a minute trying to explain anything to Azir.
But, not everyone is Azir.
Albanopolis.
" Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law."
That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law!
Than you say that Dacic is comming up with "version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ."
Where do you find it contradictory?
ICJ did not rule that Kosovo's independence is legal. It ruled that declering it, isn't illegal.
Go ahead, ask ICJ if Dacic declaring that "Kosovo is Serbia!" is illegal. You will get a same answer - there are no international laws forbidding anyone to declare anything, and declaring that Kosovo is Serbia isn't illegal either.
I guess that's fair enough. Unless you are EU guy, in which case declaring something will get you to jail...
I’m afraid I must agree with Azir, we ordinary Serbs do not feel the positive effect of any foreign investment, perhaps, because unlike sj we are not deluded. As a matter of fact, things for Serbs have never been worse. I sincerely doubt sj has ever been to Serbia based on his bombastic drivel.
Our belly dancer must be sick and tired of all the carrots?
Give porky a few HOT POTATOES!
MY FAVORITE BELLY DANCING FRIEND DACICHI, THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA WITH HER 98% MAJORITY ALBANIAN POPULOUS IS NOT YOURS OR SERBIA'S TO GIVE OR NOT GIVE AWAY!!!
HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
Dacic then don’t ask for free Money from USA And Europe go ask Russia oops Russians won’t given you free money. When free money stops your Economy will be in sinkhole than you come talk to world only way you serbs understand put sanctions on you.
"The signals coming from some key Western countries, and above all from the United States - who have up to this point firmly held the position that Kosovo's independence is a done deal - give us the right to fight, respecting the reality on the ground, but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said,
- Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law. Since Serbia asked that question, the least that you can do, is to uphold that ruling in your speeches, rather than come up with your brutally bastardized version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ. That's one.
- Two, Lyin Dacic, did you not say that the US and the West has abandoned Kosova, that the winds of change, that now everybody was on the side of Serbia to continue her colonialist approach towards Kosova, and that all was apparently due to you? Now that your lies have been exposed, that's all you have, more distortion?
Yes Azir I very afraid, but you stick to looking after goats anything else gives you a headache. Economic sanctions, investment evaporating LOL. Even the Turks invest in Serbia but nothing in Kosova.
Meanwhile in Kosova the rot continues unabated. What happen to the Kosova army? According to Mathew Palmer, another American halfwit, "it will be a several-year-long process as the governments of Kosovo and the US have agreed." What? It’s now over several years not by end of 2018 LOL. Surely the mighty US of Piss and Wind, supreme super power, leader of the free world, head of UNSC and chief bullshit artist, does not need anyone’s approval to form a Kosova army LOL???? Alas it does.
I could sell you guys refrigerators if you were living in the Arctic LOL.
LOL! Dear Albanians, you got your answer from Serbia direct to that one German MP. Indeed it is 2018 and not 1999 anymore and I doubt the frozen conflict will be unfrozen soon. In the meantime, love all the investment coming into Serbia.
Kosovo is not yours to give it away. Sloba used to say the same but for different reason (to stay in power). Somebody should tell him that this is 2018, not 1998.
P.S. Funny how until now he never said we don't want carrots (free money) from EU.
LOL! Dear Albanians, you got your answer from Serbia direct to that one German MP. Indeed it is 2018 and not 1999 anymore and I doubt the frozen conflict will be unfrozen soon. In the meantime, love all the investment coming into Serbia.
Yes Azir I very afraid, but you stick to looking after goats anything else gives you a headache. Economic sanctions, investment evaporating LOL. Even the Turks invest in Serbia but nothing in Kosova.
Meanwhile in Kosova the rot continues unabated. What happen to the Kosova army? According to Mathew Palmer, another American halfwit, "it will be a several-year-long process as the governments of Kosovo and the US have agreed." What? It’s now over several years not by end of 2018 LOL. Surely the mighty US of Piss and Wind, supreme super power, leader of the free world, head of UNSC and chief bullshit artist, does not need anyone’s approval to form a Kosova army LOL???? Alas it does.
I could sell you guys refrigerators if you were living in the Arctic LOL.
Kosovo is not yours to give it away. Sloba used to say the same but for different reason (to stay in power). Somebody should tell him that this is 2018, not 1998.
P.S. Funny how until now he never said we don't want carrots (free money) from EU.
"The signals coming from some key Western countries, and above all from the United States - who have up to this point firmly held the position that Kosovo's independence is a done deal - give us the right to fight, respecting the reality on the ground, but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said,
- Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law. Since Serbia asked that question, the least that you can do, is to uphold that ruling in your speeches, rather than come up with your brutally bastardized version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ. That's one.
- Two, Lyin Dacic, did you not say that the US and the West has abandoned Kosova, that the winds of change, that now everybody was on the side of Serbia to continue her colonialist approach towards Kosova, and that all was apparently due to you? Now that your lies have been exposed, that's all you have, more distortion?
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police...
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly...
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs...
(Honcho, 27 October 2018 11:14)
If you could then kindly explain your understanding as to for which unclear legal reasons to Serbia did the Serbian Government address the ICJ to deliberate the legality of Kosova's Independence Declaration?!
Using your argument, Kosovars can rightfully also say that the act of "declaring" the state of FRY was just a gathering of a bunch of butcher Serbs and although as a such it isn't illegal in international law, in reality, that gathering didn't yield a country called FRY as per international law. So, by following your logic, FRY never existed. I am fine with that.
There is really no point trying to straightened misconceptions and misinterpretations ot some people here, most of the time. I wouldn't waist a minute trying to explain anything to Azir.
But, not everyone is Azir.
Albanopolis.
" Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law."
That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law!
Than you say that Dacic is comming up with "version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ."
Where do you find it contradictory?
ICJ did not rule that Kosovo's independence is legal. It ruled that declering it, isn't illegal.
Go ahead, ask ICJ if Dacic declaring that "Kosovo is Serbia!" is illegal. You will get a same answer - there are no international laws forbidding anyone to declare anything, and declaring that Kosovo is Serbia isn't illegal either.
I guess that's fair enough. Unless you are EU guy, in which case declaring something will get you to jail...
I’m afraid I must agree with Azir, we ordinary Serbs do not feel the positive effect of any foreign investment, perhaps, because unlike sj we are not deluded. As a matter of fact, things for Serbs have never been worse. I sincerely doubt sj has ever been to Serbia based on his bombastic drivel.
Sreten: "That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law! "
Correct Sreten!
This is Dacic's direct quote: "international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina"
Sreten: "Where do you find it contradictory?"
Right there! Compare your sentence to that of Dacic's.
Dacic is saying that the declaration of independence by the authorities in Pristina in 2008, violated international law. Per ICJ, this declaration did not violate international law.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
If, in fact, that is what he meant. It's not exactly clear. Journalist uses "apparently referring".
"...but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said, apparently referring to the unilateral declaration of independence, which Serbia rejects. "
Declaring something is one thing, but acting upon this declaration another.
You can go to London, England, stand up in a Hyde Park and declare yourself to be King himself, and rightful heir to the British throne.
Nothing illegal about that.
One can declare anything he/she wants, except , maybe in EU, as we have seen that Puigdemont declared Catalonia to be independent (after referendum) and ended up in jail just for declaring it..
But, generally, you can declare yourself to be King of England, and there is nothing illegal about it, but should you try to enter Buckingham Palace and attempt to dispose of "illegal occupants" (in your belief) who reside there you will end up in jail.
Our belly dancer must be sick and tired of all the carrots?
Give porky a few HOT POTATOES!
MY FAVORITE BELLY DANCING FRIEND DACICHI, THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA WITH HER 98% MAJORITY ALBANIAN POPULOUS IS NOT YOURS OR SERBIA'S TO GIVE OR NOT GIVE AWAY!!!
HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
Disgusting German idiot. The CDU will soon be laughing on the other side of their faces when the not so "Grand Coalition" in Germany collapses and Mutti Merkel is left in ruins.
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MY FAVORITE BELLY DANCING FRIEND DACICHI, THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA WITH HER 98% MAJORITY ALBANIAN POPULOUS IS NOT YOURS OR SERBIA'S TO GIVE OR NOT GIVE AWAY!!!
HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
(PETER THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS, 26 October 2018 19:30)
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Looks like someone has dropped the ball at your end B92.
Why aren't you enforcing your own rules?
Dacic then don’t ask for free Money from USA And Europe go ask Russia oops Russians won’t given you free money. When free money stops your Economy will be in sinkhole than you come talk to world only way you serbs understand put sanctions on you.
I am surprised this mad man is till at office.
Let me comper with your situation regarding Kosovo Mr little Slobo.A man was very badly treating his wife and never let her do anything always has stopped her achieving things she wasn’t never able to do anything due to violence he done to her then one day she wake up and reported to the police and police rescue her and man sentenced to serve a jail and the Women now in Freedom is doing its best And achieving all possibleitys she can,But the man that treated her in bad way and committed the worst crimes against her isn’t accepting that she has moved on and doing better then him and categorically refusing to come to terms and he is telling everyone that that Women used to be mine and still is but everyone is telling him stop stop your hurting your self she isn’t no longer yours.you didn’t look after her and now she is gone and isn’t coming back so as soon as you accept the reality soon you start doing better to. That’s how Serbia and Kosovo story is really, so start looking after Vojvodina,Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley as if not You going to lose them to.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 22:27)
He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult.
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police.
See the incident in Waco, TX ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege )
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly.
As long as this continues the conflict will also continue.
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs.
And the same time the B92 site will still suffer from buggy and annoying Captcha. :(
Fake Italian Albo, the Court was asked for an advisory opinion not a ruling – there is a difference you might want to look it up in the dictionary where you get your big words.
No Kosvars cannot say that since the FRY was constituted legally, and it could not be contested under international law.
Although I know the point you trying to convey, your post is almost incomprehensible due to your hard efforts to sound learned LOL. If you’re not careful you could turn out to be like the oozlum bird, the one that disappeared up its own orifice.
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 16:06)
The International Court was asked, and it delivered, an advisory opinion only, yes advisory opinion, not a Court ruling.
The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. The New York legislature can declare New York independent from the US, and this declaration would not have violated any international law, but the physical move to separate from the US is covered under international law.
Law has many fine points so it’s not as simple as just repeating like a parrot that Kosovo's declaration of independence was validated in the eyes of international law. It has not. To put to rest any Serbian claims you need to go to the Court and seek a decision, yes, a decision, not an advisory opinion. If the Court said Kosovo is independent then Serbia’s case is finished.
Why did the then Serbian Government seek such advice from the Court and not launch full Court action? Well Boris Tadic and Vuk Jeremic got a pile of cash for their efforts from the US to ask an opinion. If it went to Court the US would have risked the Court ruling against them and therefore huge repercussions for the US. If for some miraculous reasons the Court ruled that Kosovo was independent, then that would open the flood gates to every ethnic group to seek independence.
sj: "The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. "
And Dacic said that this act violated international law, in direct contradiction of the court's advisory. All this dancing around this obvious statement is to hide the fact that Serbia doesn't give a rat's behind about the court of the international law in general. That it will use it when it's in interest and discard it when not.
(Zoran, 26 October 2018 15:53)
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Honcho: "He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult. "
No, it's actually very simple. The ruling of the ICJ clarified that the declaration of independence of Kosova does not violate international law. You've been giving a lot of hypothetical and silly examples, but Serbia asked a very specific question and got the answer for that question. For now Serbia to come out and claim the exact opposite of what the court advised, means that Serbia has absolutely zero regard for the court.
UNSC issued tons of resolutions during the Kosova war demanding FRY to stop the violence against civilians, all of which were ignored. But when it was convenient, they all of a sudden became such ardent supporters of the international law. Utter hypocrisy. No wonder no one takes Serbia's crocodile tears seriously.
"People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs."
Well, what deal could there be when Dacic claims that Serbia will recognize Kosova when pigs will fly.
We now have Kosova and we're not giving it back.
(Kosova Albanian, 29 October 2018 14:40)
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Nobody is asking you to give anything. We'll take it back.
Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law. The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares.
How pathetic. Now into racial slurs and that coming from an Albo too as if Albos were the elite of human society instead of bottom feeders LOL.
(sj, 29 October 2018 14:16)
Why? Tomboy is a half-Pashtun half-Paki Gypsy from Shutka. Has nothing to do with Albanians, only with SS Skenderbeg. Sieg! Hail!! Fail!!!
sj: "Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law."
No, the actual separation happened in 1999, he was referring to "a single event" in 2008.
sj: "The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares."
OK, then why do you complain when others do the same? If international law is not sacred to you, why should it be for someone else? You think other people are stupid?
Dacic...Kosovo has already gone... No need to dangle a carrot. Stop the childish games and wasting time on something that will never return. Focus on feeding the 500,000+ Serbs who live in poverty. It’s no wonder Serbs aren’t having children. Even a dog won’t breed if it’s continually hungry.
We are talking legal issues so 1999 does not come into question. It’s the 2008 act of declaring independence then separating – that is what Dacic was referring to. The actual separation occurred in 2008.
I have always said if the US of Piss and Wind adopts this tactic of using something when convenient then so should Serbia, but that’s only my opinion. I don’t speak for anyone else. I get tired of people expecting Serbia to adhere to laws while everyone else wipes their feet on those same laws and goes along their merry way.
I have worked long enough in the real world to know that in most cases it’s a dog eat dog world while they try and mask it as living within laws.
Kosovo is not yours to give it away. Sloba used to say the same but for different reason (to stay in power). Somebody should tell him that this is 2018, not 1998.
P.S. Funny how until now he never said we don't want carrots (free money) from EU.
"The signals coming from some key Western countries, and above all from the United States - who have up to this point firmly held the position that Kosovo's independence is a done deal - give us the right to fight, respecting the reality on the ground, but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said,
- Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law. Since Serbia asked that question, the least that you can do, is to uphold that ruling in your speeches, rather than come up with your brutally bastardized version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ. That's one.
- Two, Lyin Dacic, did you not say that the US and the West has abandoned Kosova, that the winds of change, that now everybody was on the side of Serbia to continue her colonialist approach towards Kosova, and that all was apparently due to you? Now that your lies have been exposed, that's all you have, more distortion?
Our belly dancer must be sick and tired of all the carrots?
Give porky a few HOT POTATOES!
MY FAVORITE BELLY DANCING FRIEND DACICHI, THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA WITH HER 98% MAJORITY ALBANIAN POPULOUS IS NOT YOURS OR SERBIA'S TO GIVE OR NOT GIVE AWAY!!!
HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
Yes Azir I very afraid, but you stick to looking after goats anything else gives you a headache. Economic sanctions, investment evaporating LOL. Even the Turks invest in Serbia but nothing in Kosova.
Meanwhile in Kosova the rot continues unabated. What happen to the Kosova army? According to Mathew Palmer, another American halfwit, "it will be a several-year-long process as the governments of Kosovo and the US have agreed." What? It’s now over several years not by end of 2018 LOL. Surely the mighty US of Piss and Wind, supreme super power, leader of the free world, head of UNSC and chief bullshit artist, does not need anyone’s approval to form a Kosova army LOL???? Alas it does.
I could sell you guys refrigerators if you were living in the Arctic LOL.
I’m afraid I must agree with Azir, we ordinary Serbs do not feel the positive effect of any foreign investment, perhaps, because unlike sj we are not deluded. As a matter of fact, things for Serbs have never been worse. I sincerely doubt sj has ever been to Serbia based on his bombastic drivel.
LOL! Dear Albanians, you got your answer from Serbia direct to that one German MP. Indeed it is 2018 and not 1999 anymore and I doubt the frozen conflict will be unfrozen soon. In the meantime, love all the investment coming into Serbia.
Dacic then don’t ask for free Money from USA And Europe go ask Russia oops Russians won’t given you free money. When free money stops your Economy will be in sinkhole than you come talk to world only way you serbs understand put sanctions on you.
(Zoran, 26 October 2018 15:53)
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Sreten: "That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law! "
Correct Sreten!
This is Dacic's direct quote: "international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina"
Sreten: "Where do you find it contradictory?"
Right there! Compare your sentence to that of Dacic's.
Dacic is saying that the declaration of independence by the authorities in Pristina in 2008, violated international law. Per ICJ, this declaration did not violate international law.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
Disgusting German idiot. The CDU will soon be laughing on the other side of their faces when the not so "Grand Coalition" in Germany collapses and Mutti Merkel is left in ruins.
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MY FAVORITE BELLY DANCING FRIEND DACICHI, THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA WITH HER 98% MAJORITY ALBANIAN POPULOUS IS NOT YOURS OR SERBIA'S TO GIVE OR NOT GIVE AWAY!!!
HERE IN THE REPUBLIC OF KOSOVA HER PEOPLE MAKE THAT CALL, DONT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN 1998-1999 WHEN WE HERE IN OUR BELOVED REPUBLIC CHOSE TO TAKE UP ARMS INSTEAD OF LIVING UNDER THE SERBIAN TYRANNICAL OCCUPATION!!! HOPEFULLY CONFLICT CAN BE REVERTED FOR YOUR SAKE BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF NEED BE, IF THERE IS TO BE A NEXT TIME THE NUMBERS OF THOSE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS TO PROTECT THEIR STATE AND FAMILYS WILL BE 100X THE NUBER OF THE 1990S, MARK THESE WORDS RADICAL-SERBIA, MARK THESE WORDS! GOOD DAY DAQCICHI!!!
(PETER THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS, 26 October 2018 19:30)
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Looks like someone has dropped the ball at your end B92.
Why aren't you enforcing your own rules?
I am surprised this mad man is till at office.
Let me comper with your situation regarding Kosovo Mr little Slobo.A man was very badly treating his wife and never let her do anything always has stopped her achieving things she wasn’t never able to do anything due to violence he done to her then one day she wake up and reported to the police and police rescue her and man sentenced to serve a jail and the Women now in Freedom is doing its best And achieving all possibleitys she can,But the man that treated her in bad way and committed the worst crimes against her isn’t accepting that she has moved on and doing better then him and categorically refusing to come to terms and he is telling everyone that that Women used to be mine and still is but everyone is telling him stop stop your hurting your self she isn’t no longer yours.you didn’t look after her and now she is gone and isn’t coming back so as soon as you accept the reality soon you start doing better to. That’s how Serbia and Kosovo story is really, so start looking after Vojvodina,Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley as if not You going to lose them to.
Fake Italian Albo, the Court was asked for an advisory opinion not a ruling – there is a difference you might want to look it up in the dictionary where you get your big words.
No Kosvars cannot say that since the FRY was constituted legally, and it could not be contested under international law.
Although I know the point you trying to convey, your post is almost incomprehensible due to your hard efforts to sound learned LOL. If you’re not careful you could turn out to be like the oozlum bird, the one that disappeared up its own orifice.
There is really no point trying to straightened misconceptions and misinterpretations ot some people here, most of the time. I wouldn't waist a minute trying to explain anything to Azir.
But, not everyone is Azir.
Albanopolis.
" Lyin Dacic, ICJ ruled that the action of declaring independence from Kosova did not violate international law."
That's exactly what it said! Action of declaring anything is not contrary to any law!
Than you say that Dacic is comming up with "version that is contrary to the opinion of the ICJ."
Where do you find it contradictory?
ICJ did not rule that Kosovo's independence is legal. It ruled that declering it, isn't illegal.
Go ahead, ask ICJ if Dacic declaring that "Kosovo is Serbia!" is illegal. You will get a same answer - there are no international laws forbidding anyone to declare anything, and declaring that Kosovo is Serbia isn't illegal either.
I guess that's fair enough. Unless you are EU guy, in which case declaring something will get you to jail...
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police...
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly...
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs...
(Honcho, 27 October 2018 11:14)
If you could then kindly explain your understanding as to for which unclear legal reasons to Serbia did the Serbian Government address the ICJ to deliberate the legality of Kosova's Independence Declaration?!
Using your argument, Kosovars can rightfully also say that the act of "declaring" the state of FRY was just a gathering of a bunch of butcher Serbs and although as a such it isn't illegal in international law, in reality, that gathering didn't yield a country called FRY as per international law. So, by following your logic, FRY never existed. I am fine with that.
You have understood this, why can't Dacic?
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 22:27)
He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult.
There is no international law which would prohibit me to declare the Republic of Who-Knows-What, anywhere where I live.
The is no international law which would prohibit the country where that "Republic" is, to declare that my declaration contradicts their national law - and enforce the national law with the help of the army or the police.
See the incident in Waco, TX ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege )
The clearly illegal and immoral things were the methods of both UÇK and Milosevic paramilitaries. The next illegal step was NATO's involvement because they had no international mandate. The further illegal step is any non-compliance with the involved U.N. resolution.
We have a series of illegal proceedings, none was addressed correctly.
As long as this continues the conflict will also continue.
As it looks today, the next few hundred years look to be quite interesting. People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs.
And the same time the B92 site will still suffer from buggy and annoying Captcha. :(
Honcho: "He understands - but the correct explanation is very difficult. "
No, it's actually very simple. The ruling of the ICJ clarified that the declaration of independence of Kosova does not violate international law. You've been giving a lot of hypothetical and silly examples, but Serbia asked a very specific question and got the answer for that question. For now Serbia to come out and claim the exact opposite of what the court advised, means that Serbia has absolutely zero regard for the court.
UNSC issued tons of resolutions during the Kosova war demanding FRY to stop the violence against civilians, all of which were ignored. But when it was convenient, they all of a sudden became such ardent supporters of the international law. Utter hypocrisy. No wonder no one takes Serbia's crocodile tears seriously.
"People will colonize Mars... and there still won't be peace between Albanians and Serbs."
Well, what deal could there be when Dacic claims that Serbia will recognize Kosova when pigs will fly.
(Albanopolis, 26 October 2018 16:06)
The International Court was asked, and it delivered, an advisory opinion only, yes advisory opinion, not a Court ruling.
The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. The New York legislature can declare New York independent from the US, and this declaration would not have violated any international law, but the physical move to separate from the US is covered under international law.
Law has many fine points so it’s not as simple as just repeating like a parrot that Kosovo's declaration of independence was validated in the eyes of international law. It has not. To put to rest any Serbian claims you need to go to the Court and seek a decision, yes, a decision, not an advisory opinion. If the Court said Kosovo is independent then Serbia’s case is finished.
Why did the then Serbian Government seek such advice from the Court and not launch full Court action? Well Boris Tadic and Vuk Jeremic got a pile of cash for their efforts from the US to ask an opinion. If it went to Court the US would have risked the Court ruling against them and therefore huge repercussions for the US. If for some miraculous reasons the Court ruled that Kosovo was independent, then that would open the flood gates to every ethnic group to seek independence.
If, in fact, that is what he meant. It's not exactly clear. Journalist uses "apparently referring".
"...but also the foundations of international law that were brutally violated in 2008 with a single action of the authorities in Pristina," Dacic said, apparently referring to the unilateral declaration of independence, which Serbia rejects. "
Declaring something is one thing, but acting upon this declaration another.
You can go to London, England, stand up in a Hyde Park and declare yourself to be King himself, and rightful heir to the British throne.
Nothing illegal about that.
One can declare anything he/she wants, except , maybe in EU, as we have seen that Puigdemont declared Catalonia to be independent (after referendum) and ended up in jail just for declaring it..
But, generally, you can declare yourself to be King of England, and there is nothing illegal about it, but should you try to enter Buckingham Palace and attempt to dispose of "illegal occupants" (in your belief) who reside there you will end up in jail.
sj: "The Court’ advisory opinion stated that the physical act of making a declaration of independence did not violate any international law because there is nothing in the international legislation prohibiting such an act. "
And Dacic said that this act violated international law, in direct contradiction of the court's advisory. All this dancing around this obvious statement is to hide the fact that Serbia doesn't give a rat's behind about the court of the international law in general. That it will use it when it's in interest and discard it when not.
How pathetic. Now into racial slurs and that coming from an Albo too as if Albos were the elite of human society instead of bottom feeders LOL.
(sj, 29 October 2018 14:16)
Why? Tomboy is a half-Pashtun half-Paki Gypsy from Shutka. Has nothing to do with Albanians, only with SS Skenderbeg. Sieg! Hail!! Fail!!!
sj: "Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law."
No, the actual separation happened in 1999, he was referring to "a single event" in 2008.
sj: "The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares."
OK, then why do you complain when others do the same? If international law is not sacred to you, why should it be for someone else? You think other people are stupid?
We are talking legal issues so 1999 does not come into question. It’s the 2008 act of declaring independence then separating – that is what Dacic was referring to. The actual separation occurred in 2008.
I have always said if the US of Piss and Wind adopts this tactic of using something when convenient then so should Serbia, but that’s only my opinion. I don’t speak for anyone else. I get tired of people expecting Serbia to adhere to laws while everyone else wipes their feet on those same laws and goes along their merry way.
I have worked long enough in the real world to know that in most cases it’s a dog eat dog world while they try and mask it as living within laws.
Dacic...Kosovo has already gone... No need to dangle a carrot. Stop the childish games and wasting time on something that will never return. Focus on feeding the 500,000+ Serbs who live in poverty. It’s no wonder Serbs aren’t having children. Even a dog won’t breed if it’s continually hungry.
We now have Kosova and we're not giving it back.
(Kosova Albanian, 29 October 2018 14:40)
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Nobody is asking you to give anything. We'll take it back.
Dacic would have been referring to the actual separation and that did violate international law. The US does not give a rat’s arse about international law so why shouldn’t Serbia use the same tactic? What Serbia should try and be above the purveyors of rule of law and justice for all LOL?
When its handy and useful to Serbia they should use it otherwise who cares.
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